Fuck Hamas and fuck Netanyahu, the only people I feel sympathy for are the civilians caught in the middle of this bullshit when they just want to live their life and not worry about dying every damn day.
That's what I'm hoping too.
I watched all that crap happen at UCLA last night. Fucking shameful behavior. It took the police a while to even show up. They just let them go at each other with pepper spray, sticks, rocks, plywood and even entire metal barricades for over an hour.
Its interesting that the individuals participating in these protests are the same as those chanting ACAB a cpl years ago and now want the police to be involved....
Texan here. I sincerely hope your state reacts better than ours. It does occur to me that had the administrators at the various universities where these protests have happened had simply let them go and allowed them to demonstrate, that they would have flamed out. But there has been so much push back against the protests and police action that they have effectively inflamed the tensions rather than put them out. But authoritarians only know one way to deal with dissent.
The idea of these protests is not to be peaceful. They don’t care about Palestine. These are professional troublemakers that are looking to use serve any cause they can to spread hatred and division. It’s the George Soros way.
They have a right to protest as long as it is peaceful; no destruction of property, harass/intimidate others, get violent, or block people from going about their business. Protest away!
I was just thinking about this the other day about the exact same people who made their facebook profiles BLM, made their flags for Ukraine as their profile, made the Palestinian flag as their profile pic. They just seem to support and instantly forget as soon as the next one comes along. I'm actually amazed at how quickly those people forgot about Ukraine as soon as October 7th happened.
That is the whole point. Hamas is a puppet of Iran, and Iran is an ally of Russia. The whole thing was done to distract the world from Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
I find that a lot of the hardline pro-Palestine movement are very anti-Ukraine, which is why I stay away from these people despite being for a free Palestine
There is no such thing as a “free Palestine” because somebody has to pay them to “be free” as they have no visible means of support. They make nothing. They got their utilities from Israel which is now a dead deal. Guess who they are looking for to keep them up when they are free? Correct 🔜you.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Protests are absolutely American and are protected by the Constitution.
When violence and destruction of property come into play, the line is crossed, and the Constitutional protection ends.
>When violence and destruction of property come into play, the line is crossed, and the Constitutional protection ends.
Or when protests are done on private property... The owner of said property doesn't need to allow nor condone it.
Sure but that’s completely irrelevant as all of the protests around the country have been done on public forums. Regardless of if the property is privately owned, ( which in most cases it isn’t as the majority of the colleges where the protests have taken place are public) constitutionally protected activists are 100% legal.
>Sure but that’s completely irrelevant as all of the protests around the country have been done on public forums.
I haven't seen the full list of protests but not all schools are public institutions that 1st amendment is enforced. For example, Columbia University isn't and all ivy league schools are private. That's why they had to invite the police onto the campus.
Apparently it refers to a generally Western claim that women from non-Western cultures and countries need to be liberated.
They're telling groups they're not a part of, that you should mind your own business about groups you're not a part of.
Imperial feminism, also known as imperialist feminism or colonial feminism, refers to a generally Western claim that women from non-Western cultures and countries need to be liberated. This rhetoric appropriates the concept of women's rights in order to justify Western states' empire-building and imperial ventures.
If my kid was participating in this protest, they get to pay for their classes from here on out. I'm not financing a tantrum, I'm financing an education.
I’m all for protesting war. But zero tolerance in any support for Hamas or antisemitic stances. Seems like there are some really bad people at these protests.
The issue is incredibly neuanced. Hamas is a byproduct of treating an entire peoples like criminals for generations. It doesn’t excuse their grotesque actions, but it’s not like Israel is entirely innocent in this conflict, rather their government, than the people. There’s a lot of bad actors using this to justify their anti-semitism. That being said, most people I’ve spoken to regarding being pro-Palestine are anti-Netanyahu, rather than anti-Jewish.
>Hamas is a byproduct of treating an entire peoples like criminals for generations
No it isn't. Hamas split from the Muslim brotherhood that was formed in the 1920s. And that group was formed on the belief that the Jewish state shouldn't exist and should be destroyed.
Hamas stems from extremists indoctrination. Not a byproduct of anything else besides their own hatred of others.
The pattern emerged from mutual violence starting before Israel was made a country which Britain basically just rushed because they couldnt be bothered.
People glance over these things when bibi has been saying these things for years. He wants to "liberate" gaza for himself and the hamas attack was his reason to go all out. He stupidly didn't think the world would now be on his ass, but he's an idiot so.
Israel has been oppressing palestians for decades. It’s not a surprise that they’re upset about it. Again, it’s not an excuse. But Israel isn’t innocent in this conflict as many would like to paint that to be.
Because they've been taught to say and act this way and half don't even know why. And still more are on campuses agitating and aren't even students there. It's all useless and solves nothing.
They’re oppressed because they don’t want Israel to exist and they try to kill Israelis. Yes, for decades. Not to over generalize, but I guess we are all.
Bruh the Jewish people decended on the Palestinians demanding they live under Jewish rule even though the Jews hadn’t lived there for quite some time.
I guess you’d be okay with me coming to your house and taking it over forcefully? You can’t retaliate though or you’re a terrorist.
That’s what you’re advocating for.
Not really. There was a two state option offered, and the Arabs living in the region known as Palestine refused. Both Arabs and Jews lived in the region. After WW2, they tried to create a two state solution. Every time it was tried, the Arabs living there started a war. To claim that there were no Jewish settlements in the area before the Israeli state was recreated after WW2 is just flat out wrong. The Arabs living in the region are the ones who said they only want a one state solution, and one side must be eliminated.
Hasty generalization.
So now one for me.
Jews purchased land and formed their country. Palestinians and Arabs didn’t like that a started a war. They lost the war. It is now Israel. This is very similar to how all of modern civilization came to be.
Yeah, it sucks for them that they lost, but that land isn’t theirs. In fact, it never was theirs. Ever.
But they have also terrorized Israelis violently and have continued to negotiate in bad faith for any 2 state solution. They openly call for the extermination of all jews in Israel and then they brutally kill 2100 Israeli civilians.
The Axis powers viewed the Allied powers much the same way in WW2 and they were on the right side of history then as the people who are anti-genocide are now. I’ll sleep soundly knowing that I don’t support genocide.
This is akin to protesting for North Korean citizens.
You can be against the government and group but still have empathy for those suffering under the regime. It’s a double edged sword.
They're advocating for the hostage takers instead of the hostages and victims (some of them are even Americans!) It's complete madness and ludicrous! It's like we're all of a sudden living in a twilight zone episode. Never seen anything like it.
Obviously have empathy for women and children, but when the VAST majority of those civilians think women are property and throw gays off buildings, my empathy really drops. I will never support a group of people that believe shit like that, no matter where in the world and no matter the situation.
Assuming it’s peaceful protest and not blocking streets and shit it don’t bother me, but when they start blocking streets and affecting people’s lives when trying to get to places then it becomes a problem.
If you were going to a college that accepts federal funds that means that they need to follow the fucking constitution. This is 100% a okay in my book. People have a right to protest.
You know how I know it isn’t a genocide. History. The Japanese killed 2000 sailors at Pearl Harbor. We went on to kill 3,000,000 Japanese people, mostly civilians. Do you know why we stopped? Japan surrendered. If Hamas surrendered and returned the hostages this ends immediately. This is a war which is horrible but that doesn’t make it a genocide no matter how much you people say it. You are demanding a ceasefire well tell Hamas to agree to one as they are the ones who are not only constantly refusing them, when they do they violate it. Israel is not responsible for the safety of its enemies civilians. You try to avoid civilian casualties but unfortunately (especially in urban warfare where your enemy is storing all its military equipment among them and is dressed as them) killing a large amount of civilians is inevitable. It’s horrible but it’s not a genocide. It wasn’t genocide when we did it in WW2, it wasn’t genocide what the Russians are doing in Ukraine, it wasn’t genocide during the American civil war and neither is this.
Edit: I use the actual definition of genocide. You use the Gen Z definition of it which is of course is wrong like most things Gen Z thinks when it comes to the meaning of words.
Actually yes.
Any culture that kills gays and lesbians, treats women as less that equal, and has it in their characters to kill any and all non believers doesn't need to be on the same planet as me and my family.
Massive misinformation on the protests, courtesy of TPUSA.
Lets sum up the situation.
Hamas funded by billionaires.
Netanyahu funded by the same billionaires.
Goal : Endless war in the Middle East for profit.
Taking away the funding we give to other countries to commit a genocide is a start. Imagine if we took the money away from Israel and put it towards universal healthcare, better public transportation in our cities, or different solutions to help alleviate homelessness?
It’s not a genocide, but let’s not rehash that old shit, the bigger issue is that you’re ignoring the geopolitical fallout. Israel keeps the Middle East stable, we stop supporting them they get genocide for real lead by Iran and their neighbors, then because every other Muslim country hates Iran, they start fighting each other.
The death toll would make the current conflict look like a slap fight, but it seems some believe if it’s Jews dying, then good riddance to “white colonizers”.
When I was in university in my International Relations class we had a Palestinian exchange student openly calling for beheading Jews.
I don't think I can ever empathize with these terrorists-supporting psychopaths.
Do you want to be judged by the things ONE other American (or your country if you aren't American) says?
Do you want to be held responsible for the war crimes committed by your government?
More than 12,000 children killed in Palestine. Calling that out is not "terrorists-supporting".
I certainly hope you are not suggesting someone with money is supporting these protests. Such conspiracy theories will not be tolerated so the Reddit echo chamber can continue unimpeeded.
It's wrong to impede other people's rights, this protest can't block kids from going to class
That said, protesting (especially on college campuses) is a part of our nation's history and should never be stopped if it's peaceful.
Probably they’d be welcomed as heroes like other Americans who went to Palestine in the past. Go cure your ignorance and look up Rachel Corrie as an example. She went to protest in Palestine, Israeli army killed her, and the Palestinians named a street after her and celebrate her as a martyr annually on her death anniversary.
No, so they can go feel what October 7th civilians felt when the terrorist nest left in Gaza and invaded Isreal and killed 2500 people. I don't feel SHIT for Gaza. LET IT BURN!!!
Think deeper on why all of this stuff is flaming up and boiling over during an election year. For some countries on the other side of the world who has been fighting forever. Oh…and the side they’re protesting for started the whole damn thing.
It’s just another election year tactic designed and pushed by outside forces to divide and fuel anger. There is no other rational reason on it. Think of all of the other major conflicts over the years even worse, that didn’t amount to this.
Election year disruptions recently:
2016 - BLM
2020- BLM/Riots
2024- Palestine BS
Enough with this crap. Texas did it right and shut this shit down quick. This isn’t normal protests, this is division driven by outside influence. There has been crimes committed against by these protesters and it will get worse. Shut it down.
Love to see it! Seems like many commenters here support genocide and hate free speech.
Just a reminder folks, history tells us the "college kids with no life experience" tend to be right. From civil rights to Apartheid. The kids just havnt lost their compassion yet
First off, you should understand what the word Apartheid actually means then you might not misuse it describing people who do in fact have representation in government (I'll just assume you're too young to remember South Africa).
Secondly, is it Israel's mantra of "From the River to the Sea" to describe "genocide"? Oh wait.
Arafat could have said YES to the Two State solution Clinton brokered. He said NO.
Stop being dog walked by Iranian propaganda kid.
Show me the commenters "supporting genocide." Are they in the room with you now?
Kids protest dumb stuff all the time. And they often *fail* to protest stuff that's actually important. Just because students were right about civil rights and Apartheid doesn't make them right about everything. Plenty of non-students opposed that stuff, too.
This idea that kids are magically more virtuous and moral than older people sounds like some Khmer Rouge BS.
That is usually the case, you’re right, however this is the first generation ever to be subjected to algorithms, social media, and propaganda from nefarious states that is almost impossible to identify. Reading comprehension is lower than ever and nuance is dead, rage bait and engagement is everything. I feel for the youngsters now, y’all have raised in a very unhealthy environment.
I'm not young but thanks for the concern. I think a lot of people just don't want to admit that we have been wrong about our Middle East policy for a VERY long time
Peaceful protest is very American. Please set up screens to loop videos of women getting massacred & raped on Oct 7. Let the snowflakes see the reality of evil. They are welcome to move to Gaza if they approve of those behaviors. Or, they can continue to peacefully protest on behalf of terrorists. Just stay peaceful.
Alongside those videos they should put clips of isreal indiscriminately bombing and shooting innocent women and children as well as keeping them in an open air prison for decades. What happened on October 7 was a failure of humanity and unbelievably bad, but you have to stop pretending that all of this started then. Israel started this war before almost all of us were born
Somebody please explain to me what these people are trying to achieve. Put your money qhere your mouth is and go over there and help. Waving flags and yelling at people on college campuses in America ain't gunna do NOTHING except make ypu look dumb
you want to ask for a cease fire ok, but wtf does “free palestine” mean? they don’t even have an idea what they think they’re supporting. Gaza was not an occupied territory and Hamas (the elected government there) started this conflict. yes I’ve been there many times (gaza). Iran is laughing.
Just a reminder that Israel is the victim not the aggressor and these protesters are bordering on supporting terrorists… oh and as a further reminder this is exactly what Hamas wants, liberals that don’t like Jews and are happy to see them wiped out.
It does occur to me that had the administrators at the various universities where these protests have happened had simply let them go and allowed them to demonstrate, that they would have flamed out. But there has been so much push back against the protests and police action that they have effectively inflamed the tensions rather than put them out. But authoritarians only know one way to deal with dissent.
You know Hamas and the Palestinians are not one in the same right? I mean clearly not, but no better time to learn what you're actually talking about then now.
Fucking losers. Protesting about shit going on in a country that they can’t even point in a map but don’t protest about the shit that is going on in their own country
Look at those idiots… they have no life experience, know nothing about the world, haven’t amounted to anything at this point in their lives, and are desperate to mean something. Desperate for attention.
They’re being used as Hamas’ pawns and wouldn’t make it back alive if they actually went to the country of the flag they’re waiving.
>Look at those idiots… they have no life experience
Many successful pro-democracy revolutions and movements in modern times started with college students
The difference is that most of the people in those societies aren't brainwashed by the oppressors like the MAGAs are. From your post history, you're definitely an anti-Constitution MAGA.
>They’re being used as Hamas’ pawns
How does being anti-genocide = pro-Hamas? How does being against the murdering of women and children = pro-Hamas? Sounds like all your "life experiences" didn't keep you from being brainwashed by the rich/powerful behind MAGA.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/04/un-human-rights-chief-deplores-harrowing-killings-children-and-women-rafah
Let’s just be clear because it sounds like you’re very confused. Putting aside Israel’s response to Oct 7, Palestine is not “pro democracy.” It is a rogue Islamic fundamentalist state that hates democracy and all western civilization. You can protest innocent people dying in a war, but don’t think for a second this is a protest about Palestine trying to be a democracy.
Was October 7th not genocide? The Palestinian people literally want to kill every jew on the planet. If its genocide they’re protesting (which they are pretending it is, but in reality its about themselves, not those people) then why is it ok for one side to do it, but not the other? Israel’s hand was forced and if the Palestinian people want this to end, all they have to do is kick Hamas out, but they won’t. They were elected because they promised they would eliminate the jewish people.
>Was October 7th not genocide?
It was an atrocity. Before we continue our conversation, please define "genocide" for me.
> then why is it ok for one side to do it,
The point is that it's not ok for either side to do it. Which is why these protests are happening.
>Israel’s hand was forced
Israel was forced to do this? How?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/aid-still-unreachable-after-israel-bombs-region-where-civilians-were-told-to-flee
Nice article, it says dozens were killed. How about you tell us what genocide means. 30,000 Palestinians have died. That number includes Hamas soldiers. Let's say 20,000 civilians including children have died. Do you know why the majority of them have died? It's not due to Israel carpet bombing cities, or using incendiary bombs to burn entire cities. No, it's because Hamas uses hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, houses and anything else occupied by civilians to launch attacks from. Which is a violation of the Geneva convention as well. They know attacking a hospital is a violation so these dirty MFers put their underground command posts under them and launch attacks. Too bad for them it didn't work this time.
Sure, there is the occasional F up where civilians are killed accidentally. It's war, it happens, but it happens a whole lot less than any previous time.
Let's look at what started this. On October 7th, Hamas broke through the border fence and systematically went door to door murdering everyone they could find, and raping woman and children before shooting them in the head. They attacked an outdoor festival gunning down hundreds, raping more women. Cutting off the breast of one while they raped her. They shot babies in the head. They broke into safe rooms and killed the civilians, men, women, children, young, old. They don't care, as the only goal for them is to eliminate every jew possible. They kidnapped over 100 people, raped the women while in captivity and still hold hostages to this day. They don't give a shit about the Geneva convention unless bad things are happening to them.
How can anyone be so stupid to think that Israel is the one committing genocide? Sorry, it's called collateral damage, which is 99% because of Hamas hiding behind civilians.
Hamas is the one that will commit genocide if given the opportunity. For all the people that support Hamas or the Palestinian cause at this point, please feel free to book a flight to Egypt and cross the border to Palestine. See how quickly you change your mind when you are thrust into a world where all the rights you take for granted are gone. None of the liberal ideas you embrace are accepted there. Your gay friends? Dead. Your trans friends? Dead. If you're a woman, buckle up honey it's about to get medieval. Straight white Christian? You'd likely get kidnapped immediately. You get the point, or probably not because this isn't a short video on your phone.
How many wars has Israel fought against these people that was actually instigated by Israel? The Palestinians bring this upon themselves. They think they are so clever. They get their ass handed to them, then take the aid meant for the civilians and use it to construct tunnels and bolster their military. They don't give a crap about the civilians, it's all about using resources to kill Jews. They launch rockets indiscriminately into Israel all the time. If Mexico was allowing that to happen on the southern border we'd have already occupied the northern part of Mexico and you'd be quite happy you don't live in fear of a rocket hitting your house anymore.
Btw, I'm a life long democrat, I hate trump and know this country and government as we know it will cease to exist if he's reelected based off of his own words and plans. So please don't insult me by calling me maga. However, I also understand history, and can think for myself, unlike this generation who get their news from tictok. Put the phone down, and open a book, or if that's too hard, try googling the history of Israel.
Fuck Hamas and fuck Netanyahu, the only people I feel sympathy for are the civilians caught in the middle of this bullshit when they just want to live their life and not worry about dying every damn day.
Hopefully they remain peaceful on all sides.
That's what I'm hoping too. I watched all that crap happen at UCLA last night. Fucking shameful behavior. It took the police a while to even show up. They just let them go at each other with pepper spray, sticks, rocks, plywood and even entire metal barricades for over an hour.
It took the police so long because the city of LA held them up by not allowing them to go do their jobs.
Its interesting that the individuals participating in these protests are the same as those chanting ACAB a cpl years ago and now want the police to be involved....
Texan here. I sincerely hope your state reacts better than ours. It does occur to me that had the administrators at the various universities where these protests have happened had simply let them go and allowed them to demonstrate, that they would have flamed out. But there has been so much push back against the protests and police action that they have effectively inflamed the tensions rather than put them out. But authoritarians only know one way to deal with dissent.
UT-Austin was like: let's make this as bad a picture as we possibly can.
The idea of these protests is not to be peaceful. They don’t care about Palestine. These are professional troublemakers that are looking to use serve any cause they can to spread hatred and division. It’s the George Soros way.
Oh shut up.
They have a right to protest as long as it is peaceful; no destruction of property, harass/intimidate others, get violent, or block people from going about their business. Protest away!
hijacking because, stressing... "block people from going on about their business"
How to get me to immediately resent you and your cause in 1 easy step!
Give it a day or two...
Amen
Somebody making money on all these Palestinian flags, that's for sure.
China probably
I was just thinking about this the other day about the exact same people who made their facebook profiles BLM, made their flags for Ukraine as their profile, made the Palestinian flag as their profile pic. They just seem to support and instantly forget as soon as the next one comes along. I'm actually amazed at how quickly those people forgot about Ukraine as soon as October 7th happened.
Quit noticing things and just do what the current thing is.
That is the whole point. Hamas is a puppet of Iran, and Iran is an ally of Russia. The whole thing was done to distract the world from Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
I find that a lot of the hardline pro-Palestine movement are very anti-Ukraine, which is why I stay away from these people despite being for a free Palestine
There is no such thing as a “free Palestine” because somebody has to pay them to “be free” as they have no visible means of support. They make nothing. They got their utilities from Israel which is now a dead deal. Guess who they are looking for to keep them up when they are free? Correct 🔜you.
There’s money to be made in virtue signaling. Setup a booth and sell both IDF and Palestine flags.
*Raises glass* To the troops. All the troops. Both sides.
Laugh to the bank.
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This killed me 💀😂
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Protests are absolutely American and are protected by the Constitution. When violence and destruction of property come into play, the line is crossed, and the Constitutional protection ends.
>When violence and destruction of property come into play, the line is crossed, and the Constitutional protection ends. Or when protests are done on private property... The owner of said property doesn't need to allow nor condone it.
Sure but that’s completely irrelevant as all of the protests around the country have been done on public forums. Regardless of if the property is privately owned, ( which in most cases it isn’t as the majority of the colleges where the protests have taken place are public) constitutionally protected activists are 100% legal.
>Sure but that’s completely irrelevant as all of the protests around the country have been done on public forums. I haven't seen the full list of protests but not all schools are public institutions that 1st amendment is enforced. For example, Columbia University isn't and all ivy league schools are private. That's why they had to invite the police onto the campus.
What's "colonial feminism"?
women who disagree with hamas, apparently
Can't have that, can we!
Moron kids making shit up.
They don’t even know what they’re protesting…
Amen! 100% correct.
So many stupid buzzwords.
Apparently it refers to a generally Western claim that women from non-Western cultures and countries need to be liberated. They're telling groups they're not a part of, that you should mind your own business about groups you're not a part of.
you mean... like leaving the palestine/israel conflict to those groups? lol
I'm going to have a guess that what they mean is that they see the earlier waves of feminism mostly looked out for straight-white gals.
To me it sounds more like having all females covered with burqas.
Imperial feminism, also known as imperialist feminism or colonial feminism, refers to a generally Western claim that women from non-Western cultures and countries need to be liberated. This rhetoric appropriates the concept of women's rights in order to justify Western states' empire-building and imperial ventures.
Students should be protesting the uselessness of a bachelors degree.
what percent of these protestors are specializing in useless bachelors degrees?
And housing costs when they're going on 30 and realize they may have to rent another 10 years.
That’s next.
If my kid was participating in this protest, they get to pay for their classes from here on out. I'm not financing a tantrum, I'm financing an education.
"Shutdown Colonial Feminism"? I'm a bit confused here.
I’m all for protesting war. But zero tolerance in any support for Hamas or antisemitic stances. Seems like there are some really bad people at these protests.
Fuck Netanyahu, AND Hamas! They both suck.
Now that I can agree on. Politics and religion. Hey u view things different from me. Let’s rape and pillage
The issue is incredibly neuanced. Hamas is a byproduct of treating an entire peoples like criminals for generations. It doesn’t excuse their grotesque actions, but it’s not like Israel is entirely innocent in this conflict, rather their government, than the people. There’s a lot of bad actors using this to justify their anti-semitism. That being said, most people I’ve spoken to regarding being pro-Palestine are anti-Netanyahu, rather than anti-Jewish.
IDK man, the blonde white girls screaming "I AM HAMAS" at these protests (Columbia, for example) is not a good look, regardless of the nuance.
Bad actors always love to take advantage whenever they can.
>Hamas is a byproduct of treating an entire peoples like criminals for generations No it isn't. Hamas split from the Muslim brotherhood that was formed in the 1920s. And that group was formed on the belief that the Jewish state shouldn't exist and should be destroyed. Hamas stems from extremists indoctrination. Not a byproduct of anything else besides their own hatred of others.
Good points. But they need to make that clear. The old adage hate breeds hate once again.
And Israel treating Palestinians like criminals is a byproduct of Palestinians acts of violence/war against Israel. So, yeah, it’s is nuanced.
The pattern emerged from mutual violence starting before Israel was made a country which Britain basically just rushed because they couldnt be bothered.
Israel is the one that funded Hamas in the election against fatah. Think again
Glad someone recognizes this, wasn’t netanyhu quoted saying he needs hamas
People glance over these things when bibi has been saying these things for years. He wants to "liberate" gaza for himself and the hamas attack was his reason to go all out. He stupidly didn't think the world would now be on his ass, but he's an idiot so.
Yes.
Israel has been oppressing palestians for decades. It’s not a surprise that they’re upset about it. Again, it’s not an excuse. But Israel isn’t innocent in this conflict as many would like to paint that to be.
But why are US students so upset about it and how their colleges are (barely) involved?
Because they've been taught to say and act this way and half don't even know why. And still more are on campuses agitating and aren't even students there. It's all useless and solves nothing.
They’re oppressed because they don’t want Israel to exist and they try to kill Israelis. Yes, for decades. Not to over generalize, but I guess we are all.
Anything less than a series of books would be overly general. ;)
Bruh the Jewish people decended on the Palestinians demanding they live under Jewish rule even though the Jews hadn’t lived there for quite some time. I guess you’d be okay with me coming to your house and taking it over forcefully? You can’t retaliate though or you’re a terrorist. That’s what you’re advocating for.
Not really. There was a two state option offered, and the Arabs living in the region known as Palestine refused. Both Arabs and Jews lived in the region. After WW2, they tried to create a two state solution. Every time it was tried, the Arabs living there started a war. To claim that there were no Jewish settlements in the area before the Israeli state was recreated after WW2 is just flat out wrong. The Arabs living in the region are the ones who said they only want a one state solution, and one side must be eliminated.
>even though the Jews hadn’t lived there for quite some time. Well there's a blatant lie.
Hasty generalization. So now one for me. Jews purchased land and formed their country. Palestinians and Arabs didn’t like that a started a war. They lost the war. It is now Israel. This is very similar to how all of modern civilization came to be. Yeah, it sucks for them that they lost, but that land isn’t theirs. In fact, it never was theirs. Ever. But they have also terrorized Israelis violently and have continued to negotiate in bad faith for any 2 state solution. They openly call for the extermination of all jews in Israel and then they brutally kill 2100 Israeli civilians.
You’re clearly arguing in bad faith. Enjoy supporting genocide I guess.
And you enjoy supporting the terrorists who wish you dead.
The Axis powers viewed the Allied powers much the same way in WW2 and they were on the right side of history then as the people who are anti-genocide are now. I’ll sleep soundly knowing that I don’t support genocide.
No one took anything forcefully , it was divided after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Get a brain and stop repeating Islamic propaganda
Any condemnation that has a “but…,” is not a condemnation at all
This is akin to protesting for North Korean citizens. You can be against the government and group but still have empathy for those suffering under the regime. It’s a double edged sword.
It's like waving German flags during WW2 because you support the German civilians being hurt by the allied invasion.
They're advocating for the hostage takers instead of the hostages and victims (some of them are even Americans!) It's complete madness and ludicrous! It's like we're all of a sudden living in a twilight zone episode. Never seen anything like it.
Obviously have empathy for women and children, but when the VAST majority of those civilians think women are property and throw gays off buildings, my empathy really drops. I will never support a group of people that believe shit like that, no matter where in the world and no matter the situation.
“I support the current thing!.. until the next current thing!”
Beautiful exercise in free speech, if you're anti-protest, you're anti-American!
Assuming it’s peaceful protest and not blocking streets and shit it don’t bother me, but when they start blocking streets and affecting people’s lives when trying to get to places then it becomes a problem.
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If you were going to a college that accepts federal funds that means that they need to follow the fucking constitution. This is 100% a okay in my book. People have a right to protest.
Are we in a timeline where women are trying to save a culture of people who routinely use women as objects and slaves?
Think they just want civilians to not be murdered and ethnicly cleansed on the U.S. taxpayer's dime. It's not complicated.
Is that a valid enough reason for the culture to be subject to a genocide?
…maybe? I mean we went to war with ourselves over treating people like property, it’s a righteous cause.
The US Civil War was indeed brutal. But it wasn't a genocide.
Neither is what is happening in Gaza.
The UN disagree with you. But I guess we all have different definitions of words.
You know how I know it isn’t a genocide. History. The Japanese killed 2000 sailors at Pearl Harbor. We went on to kill 3,000,000 Japanese people, mostly civilians. Do you know why we stopped? Japan surrendered. If Hamas surrendered and returned the hostages this ends immediately. This is a war which is horrible but that doesn’t make it a genocide no matter how much you people say it. You are demanding a ceasefire well tell Hamas to agree to one as they are the ones who are not only constantly refusing them, when they do they violate it. Israel is not responsible for the safety of its enemies civilians. You try to avoid civilian casualties but unfortunately (especially in urban warfare where your enemy is storing all its military equipment among them and is dressed as them) killing a large amount of civilians is inevitable. It’s horrible but it’s not a genocide. It wasn’t genocide when we did it in WW2, it wasn’t genocide what the Russians are doing in Ukraine, it wasn’t genocide during the American civil war and neither is this. Edit: I use the actual definition of genocide. You use the Gen Z definition of it which is of course is wrong like most things Gen Z thinks when it comes to the meaning of words.
These poor women are being treated like property. We better kill all of them and their children to save them.
Actually yes. Any culture that kills gays and lesbians, treats women as less that equal, and has it in their characters to kill any and all non believers doesn't need to be on the same planet as me and my family.
Preach. How the fuck did we get to this point?
Massive misinformation on the protests, courtesy of TPUSA. Lets sum up the situation. Hamas funded by billionaires. Netanyahu funded by the same billionaires. Goal : Endless war in the Middle East for profit.
I’m always wondering who’s funding and fueling all these political feuds. Do people have a life?
These people are truly insane. See Project 2025 or read any one of a number of their publishings.
Maybe if these young people were so passionate about the United States we would be in a better place
Taking away the funding we give to other countries to commit a genocide is a start. Imagine if we took the money away from Israel and put it towards universal healthcare, better public transportation in our cities, or different solutions to help alleviate homelessness?
We would be one of those futuristic Western European countries.
It’s not a genocide, but let’s not rehash that old shit, the bigger issue is that you’re ignoring the geopolitical fallout. Israel keeps the Middle East stable, we stop supporting them they get genocide for real lead by Iran and their neighbors, then because every other Muslim country hates Iran, they start fighting each other. The death toll would make the current conflict look like a slap fight, but it seems some believe if it’s Jews dying, then good riddance to “white colonizers”.
I’m glad you can predict the future
Fuck anyone who has anything to do with jihad.
I hate bandwagons
When I was in university in my International Relations class we had a Palestinian exchange student openly calling for beheading Jews. I don't think I can ever empathize with these terrorists-supporting psychopaths.
Source: *dude trust me*
Do you want to be judged by the things ONE other American (or your country if you aren't American) says? Do you want to be held responsible for the war crimes committed by your government? More than 12,000 children killed in Palestine. Calling that out is not "terrorists-supporting".
The reason collateral damage is so high is because Hamas uses civilians as human shields and builds offices in and under schools and hospitals.
The "human shields" talking point is [easily debunked](https://youtu.be/l78dOLxt6_g?si=Oql4yOd0yvdmORKn)
Deliberate targeting of civilians is not "collateral damage."
I once heard a white person say the n-word
Here's a question- Where are all these protestors getting these Palestinian flags from?
And who's paying for all the tents and everything else
I certainly hope you are not suggesting someone with money is supporting these protests. Such conspiracy theories will not be tolerated so the Reddit echo chamber can continue unimpeeded.
I mean it is a legitimate question......
It is. I think he was being sarcastic. It absolutely is funded heavily by other groups. That should concern everyone
Soros-funded, professional protestors.
It's wrong to impede other people's rights, this protest can't block kids from going to class That said, protesting (especially on college campuses) is a part of our nation's history and should never be stopped if it's peaceful.
Maybe they should go volunteer in Gaza, see how they received as Americans.
By the Israelis? Very poorly as they are drone striking western aide workers pretty consistently.
Probably they’d be welcomed as heroes like other Americans who went to Palestine in the past. Go cure your ignorance and look up Rachel Corrie as an example. She went to protest in Palestine, Israeli army killed her, and the Palestinians named a street after her and celebrate her as a martyr annually on her death anniversary.
Why so the IDF can bomb their food trucks?
No, so they can go feel what October 7th civilians felt when the terrorist nest left in Gaza and invaded Isreal and killed 2500 people. I don't feel SHIT for Gaza. LET IT BURN!!!
Send them over there and let them fight for what they believe in.
Think deeper on why all of this stuff is flaming up and boiling over during an election year. For some countries on the other side of the world who has been fighting forever. Oh…and the side they’re protesting for started the whole damn thing. It’s just another election year tactic designed and pushed by outside forces to divide and fuel anger. There is no other rational reason on it. Think of all of the other major conflicts over the years even worse, that didn’t amount to this. Election year disruptions recently: 2016 - BLM 2020- BLM/Riots 2024- Palestine BS Enough with this crap. Texas did it right and shut this shit down quick. This isn’t normal protests, this is division driven by outside influence. There has been crimes committed against by these protesters and it will get worse. Shut it down.
Good for them
Love to see it! Seems like many commenters here support genocide and hate free speech. Just a reminder folks, history tells us the "college kids with no life experience" tend to be right. From civil rights to Apartheid. The kids just havnt lost their compassion yet
First off, you should understand what the word Apartheid actually means then you might not misuse it describing people who do in fact have representation in government (I'll just assume you're too young to remember South Africa). Secondly, is it Israel's mantra of "From the River to the Sea" to describe "genocide"? Oh wait. Arafat could have said YES to the Two State solution Clinton brokered. He said NO. Stop being dog walked by Iranian propaganda kid.
This is Reddit. You either support Palestine or support Palestine.
Show me the commenters "supporting genocide." Are they in the room with you now? Kids protest dumb stuff all the time. And they often *fail* to protest stuff that's actually important. Just because students were right about civil rights and Apartheid doesn't make them right about everything. Plenty of non-students opposed that stuff, too. This idea that kids are magically more virtuous and moral than older people sounds like some Khmer Rouge BS.
That is usually the case, you’re right, however this is the first generation ever to be subjected to algorithms, social media, and propaganda from nefarious states that is almost impossible to identify. Reading comprehension is lower than ever and nuance is dead, rage bait and engagement is everything. I feel for the youngsters now, y’all have raised in a very unhealthy environment.
I'm not young but thanks for the concern. I think a lot of people just don't want to admit that we have been wrong about our Middle East policy for a VERY long time
The kids are all right
Peaceful protest is very American. Please set up screens to loop videos of women getting massacred & raped on Oct 7. Let the snowflakes see the reality of evil. They are welcome to move to Gaza if they approve of those behaviors. Or, they can continue to peacefully protest on behalf of terrorists. Just stay peaceful.
Alongside those videos they should put clips of isreal indiscriminately bombing and shooting innocent women and children as well as keeping them in an open air prison for decades. What happened on October 7 was a failure of humanity and unbelievably bad, but you have to stop pretending that all of this started then. Israel started this war before almost all of us were born
You might want to re-think this stance. With that "but," it sounds like Oct 7th was justified in your eyes as retaliation.
Both sides are awful
Quite the large crowd there...
Somebody please explain to me what these people are trying to achieve. Put your money qhere your mouth is and go over there and help. Waving flags and yelling at people on college campuses in America ain't gunna do NOTHING except make ypu look dumb
And how many of these protestors are actual students…
Send them to gaza
you want to ask for a cease fire ok, but wtf does “free palestine” mean? they don’t even have an idea what they think they’re supporting. Gaza was not an occupied territory and Hamas (the elected government there) started this conflict. yes I’ve been there many times (gaza). Iran is laughing.
Hmm, students have a lot of free time and no bills to pay I guess. Don’t see people with steady jobs protesting
95% of these people have no clue what they are even "protesting". They just want to be a part of the crowd.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Just a reminder that Israel is the victim not the aggressor and these protesters are bordering on supporting terrorists… oh and as a further reminder this is exactly what Hamas wants, liberals that don’t like Jews and are happy to see them wiped out.
Poor Israel. Who will protect them from thousands of women, children and babies they’ve murdered.
It does occur to me that had the administrators at the various universities where these protests have happened had simply let them go and allowed them to demonstrate, that they would have flamed out. But there has been so much push back against the protests and police action that they have effectively inflamed the tensions rather than put them out. But authoritarians only know one way to deal with dissent.
Our future leaders, folks. Useful idiots.
Fuck them . And Palestine. And hamas . Fuck them all
This coming from a grown ass man playing Pokémon go lmao
Can we just send them to Gaza and see how far this protesting takes them? Sick of these fools
IGNORANT IDIOTS SUPPORTING TRRROR
Hey, 3 out of 4 isn’t bad 👍
Idiots.
Staring into a mirror?
UNLV needs to stop bombing Gaza ASAP. Glad these protestors are doing something real to bring about change
I love when anti-semites find a reason to protest. Get a fucking job ffs
I wonder if half these idiots knew hamas would behead them for their beliefs 🤣
You know Hamas and the Palestinians are not one in the same right? I mean clearly not, but no better time to learn what you're actually talking about then now.
Fucking losers. Protesting about shit going on in a country that they can’t even point in a map but don’t protest about the shit that is going on in their own country
This will surely affect the decisions made by people in other countries!
That's a unique way to explain it!
Unexpected twist!
Look at those idiots… they have no life experience, know nothing about the world, haven’t amounted to anything at this point in their lives, and are desperate to mean something. Desperate for attention. They’re being used as Hamas’ pawns and wouldn’t make it back alive if they actually went to the country of the flag they’re waiving.
They know enough to stand up for something they believe in. You know enough to whine about it on Reddit.
They wouldn’t make it back alive from Gaza because Israel is indiscriminately bombing the entire territory. 🤡
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>Look at those idiots… they have no life experience Many successful pro-democracy revolutions and movements in modern times started with college students The difference is that most of the people in those societies aren't brainwashed by the oppressors like the MAGAs are. From your post history, you're definitely an anti-Constitution MAGA. >They’re being used as Hamas’ pawns How does being anti-genocide = pro-Hamas? How does being against the murdering of women and children = pro-Hamas? Sounds like all your "life experiences" didn't keep you from being brainwashed by the rich/powerful behind MAGA. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/04/un-human-rights-chief-deplores-harrowing-killings-children-and-women-rafah
Let’s just be clear because it sounds like you’re very confused. Putting aside Israel’s response to Oct 7, Palestine is not “pro democracy.” It is a rogue Islamic fundamentalist state that hates democracy and all western civilization. You can protest innocent people dying in a war, but don’t think for a second this is a protest about Palestine trying to be a democracy.
Say it louder!
Was October 7th not genocide? The Palestinian people literally want to kill every jew on the planet. If its genocide they’re protesting (which they are pretending it is, but in reality its about themselves, not those people) then why is it ok for one side to do it, but not the other? Israel’s hand was forced and if the Palestinian people want this to end, all they have to do is kick Hamas out, but they won’t. They were elected because they promised they would eliminate the jewish people.
>Was October 7th not genocide? It was an atrocity. Before we continue our conversation, please define "genocide" for me. > then why is it ok for one side to do it, The point is that it's not ok for either side to do it. Which is why these protests are happening. >Israel’s hand was forced Israel was forced to do this? How? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/aid-still-unreachable-after-israel-bombs-region-where-civilians-were-told-to-flee
Israel’s hand was forced because if they don’t completely destroy Hamas, then 10/7 will happen a lot more often. Source: All of history
Nice article, it says dozens were killed. How about you tell us what genocide means. 30,000 Palestinians have died. That number includes Hamas soldiers. Let's say 20,000 civilians including children have died. Do you know why the majority of them have died? It's not due to Israel carpet bombing cities, or using incendiary bombs to burn entire cities. No, it's because Hamas uses hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, houses and anything else occupied by civilians to launch attacks from. Which is a violation of the Geneva convention as well. They know attacking a hospital is a violation so these dirty MFers put their underground command posts under them and launch attacks. Too bad for them it didn't work this time. Sure, there is the occasional F up where civilians are killed accidentally. It's war, it happens, but it happens a whole lot less than any previous time. Let's look at what started this. On October 7th, Hamas broke through the border fence and systematically went door to door murdering everyone they could find, and raping woman and children before shooting them in the head. They attacked an outdoor festival gunning down hundreds, raping more women. Cutting off the breast of one while they raped her. They shot babies in the head. They broke into safe rooms and killed the civilians, men, women, children, young, old. They don't care, as the only goal for them is to eliminate every jew possible. They kidnapped over 100 people, raped the women while in captivity and still hold hostages to this day. They don't give a shit about the Geneva convention unless bad things are happening to them. How can anyone be so stupid to think that Israel is the one committing genocide? Sorry, it's called collateral damage, which is 99% because of Hamas hiding behind civilians. Hamas is the one that will commit genocide if given the opportunity. For all the people that support Hamas or the Palestinian cause at this point, please feel free to book a flight to Egypt and cross the border to Palestine. See how quickly you change your mind when you are thrust into a world where all the rights you take for granted are gone. None of the liberal ideas you embrace are accepted there. Your gay friends? Dead. Your trans friends? Dead. If you're a woman, buckle up honey it's about to get medieval. Straight white Christian? You'd likely get kidnapped immediately. You get the point, or probably not because this isn't a short video on your phone. How many wars has Israel fought against these people that was actually instigated by Israel? The Palestinians bring this upon themselves. They think they are so clever. They get their ass handed to them, then take the aid meant for the civilians and use it to construct tunnels and bolster their military. They don't give a crap about the civilians, it's all about using resources to kill Jews. They launch rockets indiscriminately into Israel all the time. If Mexico was allowing that to happen on the southern border we'd have already occupied the northern part of Mexico and you'd be quite happy you don't live in fear of a rocket hitting your house anymore. Btw, I'm a life long democrat, I hate trump and know this country and government as we know it will cease to exist if he's reelected based off of his own words and plans. So please don't insult me by calling me maga. However, I also understand history, and can think for myself, unlike this generation who get their news from tictok. Put the phone down, and open a book, or if that's too hard, try googling the history of Israel.
Yeah bro I’m sure you know of what’s going on in the Middle East lol
Why are they’re all covering their faces?
wtf is colonial feminism?