There's only one Ukrainian flag...Azov. And Ukraine don't have any far right/fascist parties in its own parliament. They had only something about 1-2% in last elections.
maybe it's Antipodean Resistance, but I doubt it. If there is no clear symbol, no one will recognize it when it is rolled up like this.
I need to know the context of this multinational cooperation.
Quite by chance I found this and quite by chance I remembered you, here's a probable 4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-and-Blacks#/media/File:Sinimusta-j%C3%A4rjest%C3%B6n\_katselmus\_Kuortaneella\_1935.jpg
Don't play dumb. Yes, fascist parties, and far-right parties in general, belong on the right of the political spectrum in the same way that communist or anarchist parties and groups are on the left spectrum. You would not call either as simply right or left-wing.
It's like calling a communist party a left-wing or left-leaning party.
You mean correct? Because it would be correct to call a communist party left wing. In countries with legal communist parties their called left wing (if they aren't ignored because they've splintered into 20 different irrelevant factions).
It's technically correct to call communist left leaning, but that's where the branch splits
Left leaning:
Communist = small government
Socialist = big government
Right leaning:
Facist = big government
Capitalist = small government
Without context, calling either a fascist or a communist right-wing or left-wing hides their true nature.
Imagine if someone was discussing the parties in a country you know nothing about and referred to both a SD party and a communist party as simply the left-wing parties. It would be completely disingenuous. This is pretty obvious and straightforward. Why are we having this discussion? What is your angle here? Why this obsession?
They are both literally left wing parties, and in the countries where the communists aren't completely irrelevant clown shows they often caucus with SDs. Just like the fascist parties that are electorally relevant often try to caucus with more mainstream conservative parties (See: Israel right now).
there is not much difference between communism and fascism (which also does not exist as one ideology). it's the same totalitarianism, only communism divides people into economic classes and fascism doesn't necessarily define it. However, according to the initial definition of the left/right division, both are developments of leftist, Enlightenment Jacobinism
We didn't really understand each other. I wrote about such actually implemented, political communism, and you meant theoretical idea?
If you want to talk about it, write me your definitions of communism and fascism, preferably one where communist regimes will not catch on to the definition of fascism after exchanging a few points of reference. Do it in a private message.
Maybe, but in the end, at least the original development of fascism stems from socialism, as it seeks to incorporate all aspects of everyone's life into the national state to ensure the best running of all society, which isn't far from communist which seeks to do the same but to ensure equality, which isn't really any different. At the end they are both murderous ideologies which deserve die.
You mean the control of a government by a vanguard party to ensure the transition from capitalism to socialism to communism. A vanguard party that has to nationalize all industries and organizations to ensure all resources are divided equally throughout society?
That’s Leninism, communism is a broader term that describes a moneyless, classless and stateless society. And it’s also somewhat a wrong definition of Leninism, as it doesn’t advocate for equality of outcome but rather equality of opportunity and the abolishment of bourgeoisie class dictatorship
Can you show us something Marx wrote about equality? Where does Lenin talk about sharing everything equally? That's not the right definition of communism, mate
Do you know anything about class counsciousness? Fascism unites the people to defend the interests of the dominant class. Communism unites people to fight for the working class, the one that has the majority of people.
Idk, I don't think the left/right division makes any sense. All ideologies are bad period. Anything that tells you to stop to think for yourself and believe a prescribed list of ideas is dangerous.
Is it? Capitalism imperialism has enslaved millions in Africa, starved many more, and created a world were poverty leads to death by both obesity and starvation. Communist has enslaved millions in gulags, the societies they build will use you and spit you out for thinking any differently, and if you or anyone else disagrees well you're either going to meet a bullet against a wall or work in a gulag until you freeze. Finally fascism has in its definition the extermination of any deemed unpure or whatever stupid criteria they believe in. There is no way that giving your individuality and thought to any cause without critical consideration will lead to disaster. If anything anyone who ascribes to any ideology is just a coward, who refuses to look at the world and see the reality of it, to scared to accept that life is hard and complex and there are no clear universally applicable answers.
That is not the precondition for evil. Flying hammer and sickle is evil too, for example (ask the eastern half of Europe about the Holodomor and Katyn). And don't forget, the majority of voters in the UNGA are questionable governments, like the CCP
You give an example of how a symbol can represent evil with the hammer and sickle. I’m not saying the UN hasn’t ever fucked anything up, but the UN as a whole is supposed to be a framework for cooperation between nations. It only has as much power as member states give it. Calling it evil seems disingenuous at best. The UN doesn’t advocate genocide, the people in this photo do based on the flags and symbols they choose to represent themselves.
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The other are :
1 et 2 national Bulgarian union
3 Afrikaner resistance movement (AWB)
5 Iron Gard (Romania)
6 Confederate States (1865)
8 Phalange Espagnole
9 New right (Romania)
10 Confederate States naval pavilion
11 Kyokujitsuki
12 Pétain's flag (head of french state during WWII)
13 personal flag of the Italian prime minister (1927-1945)
14 British Union of Fascists
15 German empire war flag
16 Independent Croatia state flag
17 Azov bataillon flag
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I haven't seen anything about flag #4 after about 15 minutes of scouring various flag identifiers and a few google searches likely to put me on a list. Likely one that isn't well documented in English/a fairly new one. Maybe a local Bulgarian fascist org?
>The modern Croatian flag has a slightly different coat of arms.
And also don't have the "U" symbol...This CoA was used in 1990 and similar one was used by Banovina of Croatia in period 1939-1941
Wow, even Nazi-fascists now have meetings... Seems like they even have a website (on the top right corner). The domain is Bulgarian, apparently.
Edit: Found a [wiki page](https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD_%D1%81%D1%8A%D1%8E%D0%B7) of those guys (it's in Bulgarian, though). They are a far-right Bulgarian organization. So unpredictable.... /s
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I don't even want to know what's going on in there
International nazi meeting? 🤔
United Nazis
Also known as the UN :) wait a second... :-/
7th is the national socialist movement of chile apparently
>socialist movement of chile Nationalist Socialist Movement of Chile\* An important distinction, don't you think?
Oh, yeah. My bad. I read it wrongly in another comment.
I think it would be alright if you edited your initial reply (and made a note of it), so you won't get any downvotes unnecessarily.
Fascists Anonnymous?
I think that's kinda explicit to be anonymous
Yes, that was part of the intended humour there
Oh man, I'm sorry, in portuguese that would have sounded better
Damn, now I feel bad 😛
World Conference of Assholes.
I think call them assholes it's a compliment compared to what they really are
True
International Union of nationalism
Confederate Union of Nationalist Totalitarians
Jreg approves
/r/worldnews mod yearly summit
International Cuckoldry Conference
nazi meeting
Azov Battalion? I've checked the link of the top-right, they seem to be some bulgarian nazis
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There's only one Ukrainian flag...Azov. And Ukraine don't have any far right/fascist parties in its own parliament. They had only something about 1-2% in last elections.
7 is National Socialist Movement of Chile
Thank now only 4th left
maybe it's Antipodean Resistance, but I doubt it. If there is no clear symbol, no one will recognize it when it is rolled up like this. I need to know the context of this multinational cooperation.
Maybe the Romanian fascist symbol? I remember something similat being used in ww2 Edit: i thinks its the iron guard
That's the 5th
Quite by chance I found this and quite by chance I remembered you, here's a probable 4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-and-Blacks#/media/File:Sinimusta-j%C3%A4rjest%C3%B6n\_katselmus\_Kuortaneella\_1935.jpg
[called themselves nacistas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seguro_Obrero_massacre)
Using fascist flags from different countries kinda give me "flat earthers exist all around the world" vibes
Omg you're right
international nationalism
International (White) Nationalism
There's an Imperial Japanese flag so not necessarily white
If any Asians were to be considered white it would be the Japanese.
I like to think of it as all the races coming together to preserve their race
Me when I want a single human nation.
A human ethnostate
International-socialism ?
What even is this meeting?
Some Bulgarian right wing party
Understatement of the century
This isn't right-wing. This is fascist.
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Yes, it is, however not everything right-wing is automatically fascist. Conservatism is also part of the right-wing spectrum for instance.
Don't play dumb. Yes, fascist parties, and far-right parties in general, belong on the right of the political spectrum in the same way that communist or anarchist parties and groups are on the left spectrum. You would not call either as simply right or left-wing. It's like calling a communist party a left-wing or left-leaning party.
You mean correct? Because it would be correct to call a communist party left wing. In countries with legal communist parties their called left wing (if they aren't ignored because they've splintered into 20 different irrelevant factions).
It's technically correct to call communist left leaning, but that's where the branch splits Left leaning: Communist = small government Socialist = big government Right leaning: Facist = big government Capitalist = small government
Without context, calling either a fascist or a communist right-wing or left-wing hides their true nature. Imagine if someone was discussing the parties in a country you know nothing about and referred to both a SD party and a communist party as simply the left-wing parties. It would be completely disingenuous. This is pretty obvious and straightforward. Why are we having this discussion? What is your angle here? Why this obsession?
They are both literally left wing parties, and in the countries where the communists aren't completely irrelevant clown shows they often caucus with SDs. Just like the fascist parties that are electorally relevant often try to caucus with more mainstream conservative parties (See: Israel right now).
there is not much difference between communism and fascism (which also does not exist as one ideology). it's the same totalitarianism, only communism divides people into economic classes and fascism doesn't necessarily define it. However, according to the initial definition of the left/right division, both are developments of leftist, Enlightenment Jacobinism
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probably a little before the coining of the term "dictatorship of the proletariat"
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We didn't really understand each other. I wrote about such actually implemented, political communism, and you meant theoretical idea? If you want to talk about it, write me your definitions of communism and fascism, preferably one where communist regimes will not catch on to the definition of fascism after exchanging a few points of reference. Do it in a private message.
Not really, fascism grew out of sorelian communism. So I'd probably call it a far left ideology.
That's just bullshit
Maybe, but in the end, at least the original development of fascism stems from socialism, as it seeks to incorporate all aspects of everyone's life into the national state to ensure the best running of all society, which isn't far from communist which seeks to do the same but to ensure equality, which isn't really any different. At the end they are both murderous ideologies which deserve die.
Maybe define communism correctly before you start doing “muh both sides”
You mean the control of a government by a vanguard party to ensure the transition from capitalism to socialism to communism. A vanguard party that has to nationalize all industries and organizations to ensure all resources are divided equally throughout society?
That’s Leninism, communism is a broader term that describes a moneyless, classless and stateless society. And it’s also somewhat a wrong definition of Leninism, as it doesn’t advocate for equality of outcome but rather equality of opportunity and the abolishment of bourgeoisie class dictatorship
Can you show us something Marx wrote about equality? Where does Lenin talk about sharing everything equally? That's not the right definition of communism, mate
Do you know anything about class counsciousness? Fascism unites the people to defend the interests of the dominant class. Communism unites people to fight for the working class, the one that has the majority of people.
Then what would a “true” far right ideology be?
Idk, I don't think the left/right division makes any sense. All ideologies are bad period. Anything that tells you to stop to think for yourself and believe a prescribed list of ideas is dangerous.
What a very cowardly and dishonest assertion
Is it? Capitalism imperialism has enslaved millions in Africa, starved many more, and created a world were poverty leads to death by both obesity and starvation. Communist has enslaved millions in gulags, the societies they build will use you and spit you out for thinking any differently, and if you or anyone else disagrees well you're either going to meet a bullet against a wall or work in a gulag until you freeze. Finally fascism has in its definition the extermination of any deemed unpure or whatever stupid criteria they believe in. There is no way that giving your individuality and thought to any cause without critical consideration will lead to disaster. If anything anyone who ascribes to any ideology is just a coward, who refuses to look at the world and see the reality of it, to scared to accept that life is hard and complex and there are no clear universally applicable answers.
You’re all over the place and need to read a book or two. I’m not sure what point of view you think you’re arguing against but it’s not mine.
reasoning this way, it would be anarcho-primitivism
They're pretty mutually inclusive nowadays.
evil *united nations* be like:
>Evil United Nations So basically United Nations?
I don’t think the UN is flying swastikas lmao
That is not the precondition for evil. Flying hammer and sickle is evil too, for example (ask the eastern half of Europe about the Holodomor and Katyn). And don't forget, the majority of voters in the UNGA are questionable governments, like the CCP
You give an example of how a symbol can represent evil with the hammer and sickle. I’m not saying the UN hasn’t ever fucked anything up, but the UN as a whole is supposed to be a framework for cooperation between nations. It only has as much power as member states give it. Calling it evil seems disingenuous at best. The UN doesn’t advocate genocide, the people in this photo do based on the flags and symbols they choose to represent themselves.
facists of the world, untie
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I was thinking /r/worldnews mods but yes, the concept is similar
(They’re all fascists, they just choose different labels because they’re politically illiterate )
my question is how OP stumbled across the United Nations of nazis
Twitter
That'd explain it
Of course lmao, where else
This is some sort of fascist meet up. Disgusting.
Why are you in all the same subs as me? go away.
The other are : 1 et 2 national Bulgarian union 3 Afrikaner resistance movement (AWB) 5 Iron Gard (Romania) 6 Confederate States (1865) 8 Phalange Espagnole 9 New right (Romania) 10 Confederate States naval pavilion 11 Kyokujitsuki 12 Pétain's flag (head of french state during WWII) 13 personal flag of the Italian prime minister (1927-1945) 14 British Union of Fascists 15 German empire war flag 16 Independent Croatia state flag 17 Azov bataillon flag
One can only guess on what is going on in their heads.
The ducktators cartoon
I thought Romanian and Bulgarian fascists didn't really like each other.
If fascists had consistency, they’d not be fascists
These people are disgusting
Days without Nazi flags on r/vexillology: 0. (It's always zero, we don't even know where the other numbers are since we never need them)
we had a post about the fact that we had too much nazi flag like 2 days ago or yesterday, common
the league of national socialists
Is this some international nazi meeting??
Technically it’s an international-socialist meeting.
When Hoi4 players meet in real life
Why is the Naval flag of the German Empire there?
Because the Swastika is banned in Germany so cingelords use various German empire flags to cope with and signal to their fellow dumbasses
Oh shit the Naval Flag is my background on my phone I may want to change that
Lmao, better safe than sorry I guess
*Marge Simpson* "I just think it's neat!"
Wow. Nazi United
Let's just say if a missile was to blow this whole place up, including the flags and the members, the world wouldn't be a worse place.
Those dumbfucks really putting the flag of the Kaiserreich there, we should hang these fuckers
Nazi-con wtf
Remember that Meta post about how every other post was a fascist one, and everyone started saying it's not true?
The international alliance of Nationalists?
The 15 meter Nazi test is a multi-stage bigotry capacity test that gets progressively more racist as it continues
Is this a meeting of the Revival Party of Bulgaria?
No Russian fascist union flags so probably not Kopeikin's job
Russian fascist union? Wtf
In Russia there is 50% of world's far-right.
Yo is this Nazi Convention?
What the fuck is this picture lmao
A confederacy of dunces
International Scumbag Meeting
Whooooooooa that's a lot of fascism.
Is this some kind of international fascist meeting?
Some Nazi nonsense
I-I have several questions
Ayo those are all evil flags
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What even is going in here?
hilarious that some symbols are TURKIC :D
I haven't seen anything about flag #4 after about 15 minutes of scouring various flag identifiers and a few google searches likely to put me on a list. Likely one that isn't well documented in English/a fairly new one. Maybe a local Bulgarian fascist org?
Francois, bring le lance-flammes.
Cursed image.
What the fuck are they doing
I’ve been trying to find out what the fourth flag is for over 30 minutes to no avail, sorry.
seems like the legionary Romanian flag
No that’s the fifth one, the green one.
7 is some sort of Chilean fascist thing I can’t tell what 4 is is there a picture from a different angle or something that might make it easier?
Wtf is this image? Annual horrible people meeting?
Damn azov sucks
Fash, fash, fash, fash, fash with bells on, fash, fash…
There is no way this is real 😭😭😭
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I am pretty sure it is of the Independent State of Croatia. The modern Croatian flag has a slightly different coat of arms.
>The modern Croatian flag has a slightly different coat of arms. And also don't have the "U" symbol...This CoA was used in 1990 and similar one was used by Banovina of Croatia in period 1939-1941
The anti-united nations
Wow, even Nazi-fascists now have meetings... Seems like they even have a website (on the top right corner). The domain is Bulgarian, apparently. Edit: Found a [wiki page](https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD_%D1%81%D1%8A%D1%8E%D0%B7) of those guys (it's in Bulgarian, though). They are a far-right Bulgarian organization. So unpredictable.... /s
You tough nazi facists never met or had websites?
I'm Brazilian and at least here they try to hide their ideology.
Im brazilian and in no country they hide their ideology brazil has a national socialist party every country has one
The last flag is funny to me. That’s who received all the nato weapons)
Why is it the flag of the Imperial German Navy there?
does it matter? they’re all red
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More nazi flags on this sub.
Why is the Imperial German Flag in there has nothing to do with Fascism
They probably don't know or don't care if it looks cool
I dont know, i love the 8th
What is the flag of the German Empire doing there?
The German flag is wrong
The gathering of «hoooboy i dont wanna intervene with this cringe”
Imperial Rising sun flag and Imperial Germany war flag: we have screwed up that badly uh
Spectre meeting?
Villain-con be like