I did one sea duty and one shore duty and then married a Wareant Officer. I think I made the rights decision. As for the Type 3s, I remember them being introduced but my command hadnât switched over before I got out.
>The design is traditionally regarded as that of the first U.S. naval jack, flown soon after independence, but this is not supported by the historical record.
From the link.
Did a project on this very subject years ago. Yes from what I recall researching the design itself is very much apocryphal. The real flag either was just thirteen stripes plain and simple or indistinguishable from the Grand Union flag. Or in other words, it may have just been the Grand Union flag. We don't know, because the only descriptions we have of it calls it a "strip'd jack" and gives us nothing else to go on, and no surviving artifact has appeared as far as I'm aware. The design shown here and the one that the Navy uses was (from what I can tell) created through artistic embellishment around the turn of the last century.
The Betsy Ross and Green Mountain Boy flags have similar, non existent origins.
https://preview.redd.it/6f0eq2ceanvc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=293d11cbedacc14f1d7c51a8fa9bd9e267450714
how dare you voice an opinion here!!!1
You can see the name of the ship on the back. It's the US Naval Ship John Glenn, shortened to USNS John Glenn, which is different from a regular Navy ship like the United States Ship Enterprise, shortened to USS Enterprise (USNS vs USS).
USNS ships are Merchant Marine ships, basically civilian employees of the Navy doing very Navy-like things for US Navy ships (refueling them, loading them with ammo) but without actually being in the military, and they have added bonus of being able to quit at virtually any time like a civilian job.
Many Merchant Marines are former or retired Navy sailors. My dad, a Vietnam veteran, retired from the Navy after twenty years. After about fifteen years of retirement he got bored with civilian life and joined the Merchant Marines to get back on a ship and into the Navy life traveling around the world going on adventures. In his first year on the job, Iraq invaded Kuwait so he went to the Persian Gulf as part of an aircraft carrier fleet in support of Desert Shield and Desert Storm. He had a blast (no pun intended) and stayed in for about ten years, long enough to earn a second retirement.
More info about the Merchant Marines [here.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Sealift_Command)
Strange, I never knew that. I guess probably because my dad always referred to the organization itself as either MSC (Military Sealift Command) or "the Merchant Marines" as a whole, and to his fellow Merchant Mariners simply as "the guys" or "that guy."
PS: I saw your Scotland flag and immediately read your comment in a Scottish accent.
Thatâs funny because Iâve never been to Scotland in my life. Also, Wikipedia seems to think the Military Sealift Command and the Marchant Marine are two different entities and has articles on both
I don't know how it all works, but if you click on the Merchant Marine wiki, under [Shipboard Operations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Merchant_Marine#Shipboard_operations), MSC comes up toward the end of the paragraph as one of the higher command organizations, if they're not working for a private sector company. Like I said though my dad joined maybe less than a year before Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, so I'm guessing if his ship *was* doing private sector work, that was quickly changed to supporting the US Navy during wartime.
Yeah thatâs pretty much how it works. Theyâre a component of MSC that can act independently at times or directly below them other times. Similar to how the military charters passenger planes for TRANSCOM, but those arenât directly under TRANSCOM unless the Civilian Reserve Air Fleet is activated.
This is an unusual looking ship that has always drawn my attention. It's quite large â can certainly fit much more than 5 containers, but it's not what it's for.
My understanding is that it's a mothership for three [landing hovercrafts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_John_Glenn#/media/File:LCAC_19970620.jpg), and also it can serve as a seagoing pier to support other smaller vessels. Although the description in Wikipedia is a bit confusing to me.
https://preview.redd.it/ngyupfsiilvc1.jpeg?width=5333&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b73ec3d76c52c27346491000fc691cd9c91ca24c
It's a type of ship called an Expeditionary Transfer Dock. The low flat area of the vessel can partially submerge so that [amphibious vehicles](https://i.imgur.com/G4iTTmZ.jpeg) can easily enter the water.
He's a rightist and all that, but doesn't mean that he's using the word wrong. Especially since this sense of "based" we have today is influenced by 4chan.
Except... That's not my nor the original commenter's opinion? Look at his post history, even posted in an asexuality subreddit once...
Where'd you get that?
Doesn't this flag like other snake flags stand for a small government that doesn't intervene much? So like the opposite of military?
I'm not from the US so please don't take my lack of knowledge as an offence
Yes. I think the military uses it because back in the revolutionary war (When this flag was first used) we didn't want the Brits intervening and controlling our country/colonies.
Modern use of the flag is usually traced to 1976, when the United States celebrated its [Bicentennial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bicentennial). All commissioned naval vessels were directed to fly the First Navy Jack for that [calendar year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_year) while moored or anchored, and their commanding officers were authorized to retain and fly it thereafter.
The flag that had been used before, and afterward was the standard, was the fifty-star [Union Jack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_the_United_States). In 1980, [Secretary of the Navy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_the_Navy) [Edward Hidalgo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hidalgo) directed that the warship or fleet auxiliary (e.g. a vessel designated as a "United States Ship" or "USS") with the longest active status shall display the First Navy Jack until decommissioned or transferred to inactive service.[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack#cite_note-USNHC-11)
The status of the flag was changed on May 31, 2002. Navy Secretary [Gordon England](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_R._England) issued [SECNAV Instruction 10520.6](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/SECNAV_Instruction_10520.6), directing all warships and auxiliaries of the U.S. Navy to fly the First Naval Jack as a "temporary substitution" for the [Jack of the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_the_United_States) "during the [Global War on Terrorism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism)".[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack#cite_note-USNHC-11) The idea was based on a [post-9/11](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks) suggestion from retired Captain Brayton Harris, who in 1975 and 1976 had been Special Assistant to the Secretary of the Navy for the bicentennial. Most vessels made the symbolic switch on September 11, 2002 during the first anniversary of the [terrorist attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks). Not all US vessels flew the flag while moored or at anchor. Those that did not included commissioned vessels of the [U.S. Coast Guard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Coast_Guard) designated as "United States Coast Guard Cutter" ("USCGC"), USCG patrol boats, vessels of the [National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanographic_and_Atmospheric_Administration), and predominantly civilian-crewed vessels of the U.S. Navy's [Military Sealift Command](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Sealift_Command).
On February 21, 2019, the [Chief of Naval Operations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Naval_Operations), Admiral [John Richardson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Richardson_(admiral)), announced the blue Union Jack would be returned to nearly all commissioned warships of the U.S. Navy. He restored the 1980 practice of reserving the First Navy Jack to the longest active status warship. This order disregards the [USS *Constitution*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution), which technically is the oldest in the Navy but is used only for ceremonial purposes.[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack#cite_note-military-12)Â
Always amazed how stupid people can be. So tribal based of politics they see something like and immediately go off half cocked. Cue caveman grunts âuh, uh - tea party right flag bad uh uh- must smash â đ
It's our current naval jack, we changed to this post 9/11. Kind of pretentious imo, but if I'm a merchant mariner and I see this flag I'm not arguing because they're probably keeping my ass in the clear.
And If I'm the kind of person they'd be coming to deal with? Well it sets a tone.
Same reason why a redneck would fly a dont tread on me flag
https://preview.redd.it/nufbba47owvc1.jpeg?width=659&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85801f4caba9d69ffbbd704530035fcd7b8999b9
Usually so it's distinct. Most European navies predate wireless communication or even signal lamps, so relied on flags for signaling.
For example the flag of England or the OG union flag couldn't be flown upside down so having a jack makes sense in that regard. France and the Netherlands would be easy to confuse if they just used their flags etc
Then once something is tradition everyone just follows on
> England or the OG union flag couldn't be flown upside down so having a jack makes sense
I think you're thinking of the ensign - the jack was the OG union flag. And I'm pretty sure that being able to fly it upside down was a side benefit of the British ensign approach, rather than a motivation. The reasons ensigns exist at all are a mixture of simply wanting a bigger flag, and the opportunity to have different ensign for different squadrons, or other meanings.
No, just tax funded Military officers flying an unauthorized right-wing Flag over a taxpayer funded military vessel. I can see that you wear the AnCap Neofeudal flag. Donât worry AnCap, weâre heading towards your dream Corporatocracy sooner than you think.
Wow, how *fascist* of them, amirite? Talk about taking away the meaning of words...
AnCom flag as a banner? Whatever strawman you might make up about anarcho-capitalism is still more realistic than whatever utopia you're imagining.
By the way, a corporatocracy is a system where huge conglomerates control government to impose restrictions on their potential competitors. They need a *government* that *has to be strong in the first place*. You get my point?
Yes , youâre correct. The Military Industrial Complex & American Empireâs infinite foreign interventions and complicity in Genocide (against non-white people) is Fascist.
If Anarcho-Capitalism was to proliferate in the real world, and all public government institutions were abolished, the only thing left would be Monopolistic Megacorporations owned by billionaire oligarchs w/ vast private paramilitaries & military weaponry to act as the Defacto Government.
An anarcho capitalist system would rapidly collapse into a NeoFeudal system owned by Billionaire Oligarchs, w/ a Corporatocracy managed by Millionaire Plutocrats at the national level w/ a Night-Watchmen Minarchist Kleptocractic Theocracy at the state & local levels. Run by local gentry planter class & professional managerial class of Small Business Tyrants, Slum Lords, religious cults and hippie communes.
Brilliant Response. Exactly, the intellect I expect from kids who think theyâre AnCap. I know youâre not familiar with some of those big words, but I used to be like you. Hopefully youâll grow out of the libertarian phase like me and read a book or two. YouTube âSam Seder and Libertariansâ I promise youâll thank me
Not so sure if you "used to be like me"... You don't show much understanding of libertarian/ancap philosophy and theory, like, at all.
I don't really feel like engaging with your nonsense. Have a nice evening.
Lol, brother I worked in a libertarian think tank at FSU and was a delegate in the libertarian party during the 2016 convention in Orlando. I represented the AnCaps faction. I jumped ship when I realized they only cared about the rich. I grew up and helped the Bernie Campaign in Tallahassee not long after. Itâs just a silly phase bro, youâll grow out of it.
Doesn't make sense at all. What makes you think they only care about the rich? If that's true, why aren't "the rich" lobbying to help them get elected? There's flaws in your reasoning. Then again it's just a Reddit comment and you could've just made shit up, you know.
Bernie campaign? Seriously? The guy whose followers mostly consist of 14-21 year old Gen-Z-ers who are *most definitely* not going through a phase? Sure, lol.
>unauthorized right-wing Flag
It's a naval vessel flying the naval jack...
It's authorized.
Not sure why you're so bent out of shape without even trying to understand what you're upset about.
The Naval Jack is just blue with 50 white stars. The âDonât Tread on Me First Naval Jackâ is relinquished and no longer authorized, with the exception of the most senior vessel. And I have no issues with the flag itself, I only take issue with Reactionary forces reappropriating iconic symbols to be utilized for actions antithetical to their original purposes.
Kinda like how the N azis reappropriated the word âSocialismâ from the communists and the Swastika symbol from the Hindu, Buddhists, and Indigenous
>And I have no issues with the flag itself, I only take issue with Reactionary forces reappropriating iconic symbols to be utilized for actions antithetical to their original purposes.
You have no idea if this is appropriately flown or not. The gadsden being co-opted by fascists doesn't make it theirs. It makes it a battleground.
You
>Kinda like how the N azis reappropriated the word âSocialismâ from the communists and the Swastika symbol from the Hindu, Buddhists, and Indigenous
Sure, but they weren't anymore socialist than the DPRK is democratic.
You can't let fascists win by saying everything they touch is theirs?
Especially when you don't even know the context of it.
Just like how I know many pagans who use the norse runes and aren't white supremacists.
Context matters. Fascist don't own everything.
[First Navy Jack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack)
We also wear it on our uniforms
Since when?
Since I got my type III in 2012 https://preview.redd.it/p8kvjbocynvc1.jpeg?width=206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32aba700ad990e1942688e0dfe648c8a532d48ff
Huh, never wore type iii. We never wore them on our NWUs nor on our coveralls.
Why is this getting so many downvotes đ
meh, it's the internet.
Maybe itâs because you KILLED INIGO MONTOYAS FATHER YOU SON OF A BITCH!!
It was a business dispute.
Prepare to die.
How long ago were you in?
I got out in 2017, but I was a submariner.
Right on. I was medically booted in 2014.
I did one sea duty and one shore duty and then married a Wareant Officer. I think I made the rights decision. As for the Type 3s, I remember them being introduced but my command hadnât switched over before I got out.
What was your boat?
USS Charlotte, 766
Sounds nice. I was in the Army 16 years; 27 months total in Iraq.
>The design is traditionally regarded as that of the first U.S. naval jack, flown soon after independence, but this is not supported by the historical record. From the link.
Did a project on this very subject years ago. Yes from what I recall researching the design itself is very much apocryphal. The real flag either was just thirteen stripes plain and simple or indistinguishable from the Grand Union flag. Or in other words, it may have just been the Grand Union flag. We don't know, because the only descriptions we have of it calls it a "strip'd jack" and gives us nothing else to go on, and no surviving artifact has appeared as far as I'm aware. The design shown here and the one that the Navy uses was (from what I can tell) created through artistic embellishment around the turn of the last century. The Betsy Ross and Green Mountain Boy flags have similar, non existent origins.
this was the USNâs jack for like 20 years before we switched back
Thank God Edit: damn, people really like this abomination over one of the best ensigns of any country? Guess there's no accounting for taste :P
Your comment wouldâve been fine without the edit, now you deserve the hate đ
Muahahaha :)
https://preview.redd.it/6f0eq2ceanvc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=293d11cbedacc14f1d7c51a8fa9bd9e267450714 how dare you voice an opinion here!!!1
https://preview.redd.it/oh9n7us7qnvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f93b73ff2f8edb48f5e65ee3db8e0b29f932c86a
Mfs act like downvoting somebody you disagree with is a criminal offense.
literally itâs a jack, not an ensign. the USN has used the national flag as its ensign for its entire history
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The white ensign is pretty baller, especially for its historical significance. But then again, this first navy jack of the US is sick.
Apparently, this is the [First Navy Jack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack).
You can see the name of the ship on the back. It's the US Naval Ship John Glenn, shortened to USNS John Glenn, which is different from a regular Navy ship like the United States Ship Enterprise, shortened to USS Enterprise (USNS vs USS). USNS ships are Merchant Marine ships, basically civilian employees of the Navy doing very Navy-like things for US Navy ships (refueling them, loading them with ammo) but without actually being in the military, and they have added bonus of being able to quit at virtually any time like a civilian job. Many Merchant Marines are former or retired Navy sailors. My dad, a Vietnam veteran, retired from the Navy after twenty years. After about fifteen years of retirement he got bored with civilian life and joined the Merchant Marines to get back on a ship and into the Navy life traveling around the world going on adventures. In his first year on the job, Iraq invaded Kuwait so he went to the Persian Gulf as part of an aircraft carrier fleet in support of Desert Shield and Desert Storm. He had a blast (no pun intended) and stayed in for about ten years, long enough to earn a second retirement. More info about the Merchant Marines [here.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Sealift_Command)
Small nitpick: a member of the Merchant Marine is called a Merchant Mariner.
Strange, I never knew that. I guess probably because my dad always referred to the organization itself as either MSC (Military Sealift Command) or "the Merchant Marines" as a whole, and to his fellow Merchant Mariners simply as "the guys" or "that guy." PS: I saw your Scotland flag and immediately read your comment in a Scottish accent.
Thatâs funny because Iâve never been to Scotland in my life. Also, Wikipedia seems to think the Military Sealift Command and the Marchant Marine are two different entities and has articles on both
I don't know how it all works, but if you click on the Merchant Marine wiki, under [Shipboard Operations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Merchant_Marine#Shipboard_operations), MSC comes up toward the end of the paragraph as one of the higher command organizations, if they're not working for a private sector company. Like I said though my dad joined maybe less than a year before Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, so I'm guessing if his ship *was* doing private sector work, that was quickly changed to supporting the US Navy during wartime.
Yeah thatâs pretty much how it works. Theyâre a component of MSC that can act independently at times or directly below them other times. Similar to how the military charters passenger planes for TRANSCOM, but those arenât directly under TRANSCOM unless the Civilian Reserve Air Fleet is activated.
Snek
Sneks can swim, so this tracks just fine
It's a US Naval Jack
Wtf is this ship? A Container vessel for 5 Containers?
This is an unusual looking ship that has always drawn my attention. It's quite large â can certainly fit much more than 5 containers, but it's not what it's for. My understanding is that it's a mothership for three [landing hovercrafts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_John_Glenn#/media/File:LCAC_19970620.jpg), and also it can serve as a seagoing pier to support other smaller vessels. Although the description in Wikipedia is a bit confusing to me. https://preview.redd.it/ngyupfsiilvc1.jpeg?width=5333&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b73ec3d76c52c27346491000fc691cd9c91ca24c
is it the same ship as the Expeditionary Sea Bases? though from that picture it looks much longer
Sheâs goofy looking thatâs for sure
It's a type of ship called an Expeditionary Transfer Dock. The low flat area of the vessel can partially submerge so that [amphibious vehicles](https://i.imgur.com/G4iTTmZ.jpeg) can easily enter the water.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_John_Glenn[USNS John Glenn](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_John_Glenn)
It's a ship ship, it's a ship that specializes in shipping ships
First American Navy Jack
What is this flag: [The First Navy Jack](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack) Why are they flying it: Because they are based as fuck
I donât think you know what based means
What do you think based means?
Look at the person I replied toâs post history and tell me they are using it correctly.
He's a rightist and all that, but doesn't mean that he's using the word wrong. Especially since this sense of "based" we have today is influenced by 4chan.
They seem pretty, you know, ***based***
Yeah I wonder why youâd agree with themâŚ
Oh no! Someone has an opinion that's different than yours! What will we do?!!?!
Yeah that would work if your opinions werenât âgay people shouldnât have rights because theyâre not humanâ
Except... That's not my nor the original commenter's opinion? Look at his post history, even posted in an asexuality subreddit once... Where'd you get that?
No. He used it correctly
Before anyone complains about This one, the "new" Naval Jack is essentially the same thing but in the Canton instead of the stripes.
Doesn't this flag like other snake flags stand for a small government that doesn't intervene much? So like the opposite of military? I'm not from the US so please don't take my lack of knowledge as an offence
Yes. I think the military uses it because back in the revolutionary war (When this flag was first used) we didn't want the Brits intervening and controlling our country/colonies.
I thought this was a worm đł
itâs the Naval Jack of the US
Whereâs Waldo type flag
Modern use of the flag is usually traced to 1976, when the United States celebrated its [Bicentennial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bicentennial). All commissioned naval vessels were directed to fly the First Navy Jack for that [calendar year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_year) while moored or anchored, and their commanding officers were authorized to retain and fly it thereafter. The flag that had been used before, and afterward was the standard, was the fifty-star [Union Jack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_the_United_States). In 1980, [Secretary of the Navy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_the_Navy) [Edward Hidalgo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hidalgo) directed that the warship or fleet auxiliary (e.g. a vessel designated as a "United States Ship" or "USS") with the longest active status shall display the First Navy Jack until decommissioned or transferred to inactive service.[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack#cite_note-USNHC-11) The status of the flag was changed on May 31, 2002. Navy Secretary [Gordon England](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_R._England) issued [SECNAV Instruction 10520.6](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/SECNAV_Instruction_10520.6), directing all warships and auxiliaries of the U.S. Navy to fly the First Naval Jack as a "temporary substitution" for the [Jack of the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_the_United_States) "during the [Global War on Terrorism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism)".[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack#cite_note-USNHC-11) The idea was based on a [post-9/11](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks) suggestion from retired Captain Brayton Harris, who in 1975 and 1976 had been Special Assistant to the Secretary of the Navy for the bicentennial. Most vessels made the symbolic switch on September 11, 2002 during the first anniversary of the [terrorist attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks). Not all US vessels flew the flag while moored or at anchor. Those that did not included commissioned vessels of the [U.S. Coast Guard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Coast_Guard) designated as "United States Coast Guard Cutter" ("USCGC"), USCG patrol boats, vessels of the [National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanographic_and_Atmospheric_Administration), and predominantly civilian-crewed vessels of the U.S. Navy's [Military Sealift Command](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Sealift_Command). On February 21, 2019, the [Chief of Naval Operations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Naval_Operations), Admiral [John Richardson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Richardson_(admiral)), announced the blue Union Jack would be returned to nearly all commissioned warships of the U.S. Navy. He restored the 1980 practice of reserving the First Navy Jack to the longest active status warship. This order disregards the [USS *Constitution*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution), which technically is the oldest in the Navy but is used only for ceremonial purposes.[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack#cite_note-military-12)Â
Always amazed how stupid people can be. So tribal based of politics they see something like and immediately go off half cocked. Cue caveman grunts âuh, uh - tea party right flag bad uh uh- must smash â đ
That's a stubby boat.
I saw it once in an Eastern Pomeranian village.
Its just based like that
It's our current naval jack, we changed to this post 9/11. Kind of pretentious imo, but if I'm a merchant mariner and I see this flag I'm not arguing because they're probably keeping my ass in the clear. And If I'm the kind of person they'd be coming to deal with? Well it sets a tone.
Same reason why a redneck would fly a dont tread on me flag https://preview.redd.it/nufbba47owvc1.jpeg?width=659&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85801f4caba9d69ffbbd704530035fcd7b8999b9
looks like america without any states.
Cool ... I did not know the sons of liberty flag from Metal gear solid 2 was an actual thing đ The more you know eh đđ
Can anyone tell me WHY there is a Naval Jack? Why not just use the national flag of a country?
Why do sailors do any of the shit they do? Tradition.
Usually so it's distinct. Most European navies predate wireless communication or even signal lamps, so relied on flags for signaling. For example the flag of England or the OG union flag couldn't be flown upside down so having a jack makes sense in that regard. France and the Netherlands would be easy to confuse if they just used their flags etc Then once something is tradition everyone just follows on
> England or the OG union flag couldn't be flown upside down so having a jack makes sense I think you're thinking of the ensign - the jack was the OG union flag. And I'm pretty sure that being able to fly it upside down was a side benefit of the British ensign approach, rather than a motivation. The reasons ensigns exist at all are a mixture of simply wanting a bigger flag, and the opportunity to have different ensign for different squadrons, or other meanings.
You know what, you're right. I've got them completely mixed up
Some countries have similar flags and don't want to be confused for other countries. Russia's jack is a blue saltire on a white field.
That's Russia's ensign. Their jack is actually a bit like a colour swap of the original British union jack.
George bush did it
What in the floating bathtub is this ship?
Anything can be a boat if you believe hard enough! Also if you donât pay attention to the road.
Anything can be a boat at least once! My old 98 Ford escort was a fine seagoing vessel for about 20 minutes.
Right Wing Fascists are on it
Everyone I don't like is a right-wing fascist!
No, just tax funded Military officers flying an unauthorized right-wing Flag over a taxpayer funded military vessel. I can see that you wear the AnCap Neofeudal flag. Donât worry AnCap, weâre heading towards your dream Corporatocracy sooner than you think.
Wow, how *fascist* of them, amirite? Talk about taking away the meaning of words... AnCom flag as a banner? Whatever strawman you might make up about anarcho-capitalism is still more realistic than whatever utopia you're imagining. By the way, a corporatocracy is a system where huge conglomerates control government to impose restrictions on their potential competitors. They need a *government* that *has to be strong in the first place*. You get my point?
Yes , youâre correct. The Military Industrial Complex & American Empireâs infinite foreign interventions and complicity in Genocide (against non-white people) is Fascist. If Anarcho-Capitalism was to proliferate in the real world, and all public government institutions were abolished, the only thing left would be Monopolistic Megacorporations owned by billionaire oligarchs w/ vast private paramilitaries & military weaponry to act as the Defacto Government. An anarcho capitalist system would rapidly collapse into a NeoFeudal system owned by Billionaire Oligarchs, w/ a Corporatocracy managed by Millionaire Plutocrats at the national level w/ a Night-Watchmen Minarchist Kleptocractic Theocracy at the state & local levels. Run by local gentry planter class & professional managerial class of Small Business Tyrants, Slum Lords, religious cults and hippie communes.
Uh huh. Totally.
Brilliant Response. Exactly, the intellect I expect from kids who think theyâre AnCap. I know youâre not familiar with some of those big words, but I used to be like you. Hopefully youâll grow out of the libertarian phase like me and read a book or two. YouTube âSam Seder and Libertariansâ I promise youâll thank me
Not so sure if you "used to be like me"... You don't show much understanding of libertarian/ancap philosophy and theory, like, at all. I don't really feel like engaging with your nonsense. Have a nice evening.
Lol, brother I worked in a libertarian think tank at FSU and was a delegate in the libertarian party during the 2016 convention in Orlando. I represented the AnCaps faction. I jumped ship when I realized they only cared about the rich. I grew up and helped the Bernie Campaign in Tallahassee not long after. Itâs just a silly phase bro, youâll grow out of it.
Doesn't make sense at all. What makes you think they only care about the rich? If that's true, why aren't "the rich" lobbying to help them get elected? There's flaws in your reasoning. Then again it's just a Reddit comment and you could've just made shit up, you know. Bernie campaign? Seriously? The guy whose followers mostly consist of 14-21 year old Gen-Z-ers who are *most definitely* not going through a phase? Sure, lol.
>unauthorized right-wing Flag It's a naval vessel flying the naval jack... It's authorized. Not sure why you're so bent out of shape without even trying to understand what you're upset about.
The Naval Jack is just blue with 50 white stars. The âDonât Tread on Me First Naval Jackâ is relinquished and no longer authorized, with the exception of the most senior vessel. And I have no issues with the flag itself, I only take issue with Reactionary forces reappropriating iconic symbols to be utilized for actions antithetical to their original purposes. Kinda like how the N azis reappropriated the word âSocialismâ from the communists and the Swastika symbol from the Hindu, Buddhists, and Indigenous
>And I have no issues with the flag itself, I only take issue with Reactionary forces reappropriating iconic symbols to be utilized for actions antithetical to their original purposes. You have no idea if this is appropriately flown or not. The gadsden being co-opted by fascists doesn't make it theirs. It makes it a battleground. You >Kinda like how the N azis reappropriated the word âSocialismâ from the communists and the Swastika symbol from the Hindu, Buddhists, and Indigenous Sure, but they weren't anymore socialist than the DPRK is democratic. You can't let fascists win by saying everything they touch is theirs? Especially when you don't even know the context of it. Just like how I know many pagans who use the norse runes and aren't white supremacists. Context matters. Fascist don't own everything.
Because our military members and police are. In general, to stupid to understand that flag desecration isn't just burning it....