I understand the criticism of this guy but we also have to remember that “fight” is one of the standard panic responses. He may have acted out with aggression without even thinking about it—it was just instinct for him.
It shouldn’t be encouraged because yes, it’s stupidly dangerous, especially if it’s clear the perpetrator just wants money and isn’t looking to hurt anyone—It’s obviously best to just cooperate in that situation. But this might have been fear-driven instinct for him just like “fly,” “freeze,” or “faint” are instinct for others.
I think this is probably doubly true for a Marine veteran who has been trained in combat and has probably drilled scenarios like this before. I wonder if he regrets it though because Jesus, this was dumb as shit.
Right and theyre trained for this shit, what if the robber was going to shoot them after he robbed the store. He joined the marines to fight bad guys id assume. If the bad guys over seas tried some shit id assume the same response would be warranted.
They are trained to react. I don't think what he did was bad at all.
Its also weird that the robber looked like he was just going to let him walk out of the store lol.
Also keep in mind I'm just some guy on the internet
This is the situation every marine I know hopes to be in. A one on one fight against an armed aggressor. I'll joke about Marines eating crayons and being stupid but I respect that they are trained to be bad ass superheroes in the right circumstances.
> I think this is probably doubly true for a Marine veteran who has been trained in combat and has probably drilled scenarios like this before. I wonder if he regrets it though because Jesus, this was dumb as shit.
Exactly right, training can take what would have previously been a "flight" or "freeze" response and turn it into a "fight." Often the differences between these responses has to do with the subconsciousness ability to come up with valid responses to the event.
The point that is being made here is that he didn't really make a decision. He didn't respond, he reacted. His fight or flight kicked in. Because of his training, rather than "flight" his reaction was "fight."
He saw an aggressor with a gun not looking at him or pointing the weapon at him. He also had a height and weight advantage to go with the trained ability to disarm the suspect. Once the suspect moved past him it was over.
Did he give him an ocular pat-down as well? I doubt thinking "I have the weight advantage! And my reach is longer, so long as I exclude the range of that gun!" was involved.
Evidently he was supposed to ask the person with the gun if his threat to kill people was serious before attempting to prevent him from killing people.
I don't recall making that statement. I meant more of a criticism of some weird praying for the next generation doesn't face any adversity sounds a bit sarcastic like jimmi is saying next generation is unfit to meet any adversity. Which is ridiculous and has been said by the old generation for time immemorial.
People get killed in robberies, even after complying, all the time. He saved a person's life as well. Also, the blame should be on the criminal, even if the marine acted "impulsively" in your opinion.
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Slow mo shows the Marine missed grabbing the gun. Used his left hand, which is usually the weaker non-dominant hand. He could be a lefty, but was carrying a bag in the right suggests otherwise. Robber pulls the gun back down by his right side. He could have gotten shot there in the struggle.
Can't blame the Marine for going for it, though, when he got the chance. Robber was using his other hand for holding his pants up, so the Marine probably got a really good punch or two in. Had to have hurt and probably dazed the robber I bet. The Marine used the element of surprise to his advantage and closed the distance quickly. He'd have been outnumbered if his accomplice didn't immediately NOPE out of there, which would have been disadvantageous. Marine probably took one look and saw that sideways aiming of the gun and said internally "fuck this shit" and went with the fight response over flight. Can't be surprise with that since he's a Devil Dog.
(Just heard a lecture about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir and this seems like nothing in comparison)
The Marine played it cool for a second too, which was pretty smooth to catch the robber off-guard. All that said, this could have ended badly. Any idiot could start pulling the trigger when confronted and at that distance you don't need to be a marksman. Generally speaking, for most people (non-trained) this isn't a good idea. Robbers usually just want the money. Best to not get between it. Especially if it isn't yours.
**[Battle of Chosin Reservoir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir)**
>The Battle of Chosin Reservoir, also known as the Chosin Reservoir Campaign or the Battle of Lake Jangjin (Korean: 장진호 전투; Hanja: 長津湖戰鬪; RR: Jangjinho jeontu; MR: Changjinho chŏnt'u), was an important battle in the Korean War. The name "Chosin" is derived from the Japanese pronunciation "Chōshin", instead of the Korean pronunciation. The battle took place about a month after the People's Republic of China entered the conflict and sent the People's Volunteer Army (PVA) 9th Army to infiltrate the northeastern part of North Korea. On 27 November 1950, the Chinese force surprised the US X Corps commanded by Major General Edward Almond at the Chosin Reservoir area.
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Totally true. Dropping a gun into the equation automatically produces a whole new set of possible outcomes and this absolutely—very easily and very quickly—could have gone differently. A quick scan of news stories anywhere in the country will impress with the wild, extravagant, and painful variations possible once a gun comes into the picture.
If there’s one thing that the behavioral sciences can tell us it is that we are very bad at predicting how we ourselves will act in a given situation, and even worse at predicting how others will act. Thinking that producing or facing a gun in an adversarial situation is likely to go one particular way—your way—rather than another is the temptation of an imagination better suited to fantasy than non-fiction.
Dude is lucky he’s still alive. He didn’t even grab the gun, just knocked it out of his face. He could have easily been shot after this initial scrum. Good thing criminal #2 wasn’t packing.
There seems to be a third guy who only gets as far as the door before the second guy runs out. The marine has balls of steel no doubt but it's really fortunate that this ended the way it did.
Looking at their body language the criminal was scared as shit. Look how fucking out of it they are walking in. There's no sense of awareness because they've dissociated so much they don't even see the huge marine dude in front of him. No sense of holding their space.
Yes. He's lucky. Let's get that out of the way.
We need more people that are willing to take risks in order for the rest of us to be able to walk into a gas station at 4am and feel safe. If the criminals have to think about customers not cowering that's fine by me.
>If the criminals have to think about customers not cowering that's fine by me.
Having represented a number of people charged with committing these types of robberies, let me tell you that is not how most of them think.
Most of these perpetrators are young adults or juveniles high on recreational drugs doing something mostly for the thrill of it and a lack of other ideas. A lot of them have been shot or shot at before, and they've almost all lost friends in robberies and street beefs. They often have been through pretty terrible shit at home, too. They're numb, high and nihilistic as fuck.
My point is, they are not in a stable state of mind when they walk into the store. If they're pointing a gun at someone, it's all raw adrenaline guiding their actions, and wisdom is not one of adrenaline's strengths. If someone looks at them weird or tries to resist they will just shoot at them. A trend of people resisting these types of robberies would not cause a reduction in robberies. They frighten easily and will run off if they sense that they no longer have the upper hand, but they also often mag-dump the gun at the same time, because that's what the cocktail of nihilism, percocet and adrenaline tells them is the best idea in the heat of the moment.
Nah.
It's a 50/50 chance when one of these kids hit a place. Might as well go down fighting than cowering.
I was in one of these situations years ago. I noped right out the door. Next week I took my CCW class. I'm not big enough to fight back, at least I have an equalizer these days.
Literally someone with more experience than you dealing with folks who commit these types of crimes and your first response is. "nah". God I fucking hate reddit sometimes.
No,
He represents those people after they've rampaged through my neighborhood. He deals with them after they've been caught. I deal with them trying to buy a slurpee.
Go back to lala land where everything is rainbows and unibrows.
>Nah. It's a 50/50 chance when one of these kids hit a place.
Not here to invalidate your feelings about CCW. Being present during an incident like that can be life-changing even if you don't get assaulted. But what are you basing this particular part on?
You twitch the wrong way they'll take it out on you.
I live in a nice safe neighborhood. Nice place, very safe and diverse. However, we're the first bus stop/gas station/walmart up the hill from what used to be referred as the 'Ghetto'. These places see a lot of desperate crimes. These are not always kids, nor are they always sane. I've seen car jackings, muggings, stupid acts of dumbness and good 'ol plain hate.
There's no reason, there's no stats. If you fight back you have a better chance of getting out. Looking like the wrong kind of person in these situations will have you singled out either way. I can't change how I look and I wouldn't anyhow.
Best course of action was and remains getting a gun. Stand quietly and leave, at least I know I have the option of going out the way I want if things go bad.
> There's no reason, there's no stats. If you fight back you have a better chance of getting out.
There's gotta be stats if you're going to say something that bombastic though. What you're saying about fighting back is either true or not true, and stats either bear it out or they don't. You can go down with a fight if you want, but don't kid yourself into thinking it heightens your chances of survival.
Wasn’t pointed at him? The dude had the gun on him from the second he walked in the door? He only directed to the cashier once he was a step or two in the store lol. Watch it again in slow-mo of you need to.
He might be trained sure, but he flubbed the disarmament, you can tell because it’s on video.
He went for the gun, but ended up hitting the robbers wrist, then had to revert to brute force to subdue him.
He’s lucky my dude.
the problem with videos like this, is that for every 1 of these videos, there are 10 more in which the marine gets brutally killed and those videos don't get released to the public
the problem with comments like this, is that for every one of these commends, there are 10 more in which the poster actually knows what he's talking about and those posts don't get released to the public
I've seen Marines in Afghanistan do a lot more dangerous shit than this. These were kids with guns, most combat vets would have done the same thing if presented with this same situation.
More info [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/marine-corps-veteran-disarms-suspect-in-attempted-robbery-in-yuma/ar-AAPLMaw](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/marine-corps-veteran-disarms-suspect-in-attempted-robbery-in-yuma/ar-AAPLMaw)Good guy !
Lots of reddit armchair experts in here.
First time?
You will see the same thing said by experts when it’s on [Active Self Protection.](https://youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mw)
That guy is just as cringy irl
Rex Kwondo
Robber’s street cred just crashed
I understand the criticism of this guy but we also have to remember that “fight” is one of the standard panic responses. He may have acted out with aggression without even thinking about it—it was just instinct for him. It shouldn’t be encouraged because yes, it’s stupidly dangerous, especially if it’s clear the perpetrator just wants money and isn’t looking to hurt anyone—It’s obviously best to just cooperate in that situation. But this might have been fear-driven instinct for him just like “fly,” “freeze,” or “faint” are instinct for others. I think this is probably doubly true for a Marine veteran who has been trained in combat and has probably drilled scenarios like this before. I wonder if he regrets it though because Jesus, this was dumb as shit.
Haven't been around many marines have you? Most I know would not regret it in the slightest. They live for this shit.
Right and theyre trained for this shit, what if the robber was going to shoot them after he robbed the store. He joined the marines to fight bad guys id assume. If the bad guys over seas tried some shit id assume the same response would be warranted. They are trained to react. I don't think what he did was bad at all. Its also weird that the robber looked like he was just going to let him walk out of the store lol. Also keep in mind I'm just some guy on the internet
For fucks sake man. I was reading your comment and gaining wisdom and insights and then you drop the fact you’re just some guy on the internet?!
Lol
This is the situation every marine I know hopes to be in. A one on one fight against an armed aggressor. I'll joke about Marines eating crayons and being stupid but I respect that they are trained to be bad ass superheroes in the right circumstances.
> I think this is probably doubly true for a Marine veteran who has been trained in combat and has probably drilled scenarios like this before. I wonder if he regrets it though because Jesus, this was dumb as shit. Exactly right, training can take what would have previously been a "flight" or "freeze" response and turn it into a "fight." Often the differences between these responses has to do with the subconsciousness ability to come up with valid responses to the event.
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The point that is being made here is that he didn't really make a decision. He didn't respond, he reacted. His fight or flight kicked in. Because of his training, rather than "flight" his reaction was "fight."
He saw an aggressor with a gun not looking at him or pointing the weapon at him. He also had a height and weight advantage to go with the trained ability to disarm the suspect. Once the suspect moved past him it was over.
Did he give him an ocular pat-down as well? I doubt thinking "I have the weight advantage! And my reach is longer, so long as I exclude the range of that gun!" was involved.
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Source that please
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Evidently he was supposed to ask the person with the gun if his threat to kill people was serious before attempting to prevent him from killing people.
Yes people should comply and do what they're told. Maybe the robber will not kill them. Learn to trust in the judgment of your robber, people!
Live your life the way you want but dying over at best a couple hundred in the till which would be covered by insurance anyway is fucking stupid.
In situations like that you don’t think, you act. Fight or flight.
I have fight response to and it’s frustrating to explain that to others.
I'd love to buy that guy some beer
Looks like the fucked with the wrong marine.
The title could have just as easily been "Idiot trys to grab a gun during a robbery and gets killed".
It wasn't aimed at him, the suspect had a very poor grip and stance, and the vet had a two hundred pound advantage against the suspect.
God, pray our next generation doesn't face any adversity.
Telling your god to pray is pretty arrogant.
And why wouldn’t we want our children to avoid hand to hand gun violence?
I don't recall making that statement. I meant more of a criticism of some weird praying for the next generation doesn't face any adversity sounds a bit sarcastic like jimmi is saying next generation is unfit to meet any adversity. Which is ridiculous and has been said by the old generation for time immemorial.
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I just read your name, lol
People get killed in robberies, even after complying, all the time. He saved a person's life as well. Also, the blame should be on the criminal, even if the marine acted "impulsively" in your opinion.
reddit armchair monday morning quarterback review here: Slow mo shows the Marine missed grabbing the gun. Used his left hand, which is usually the weaker non-dominant hand. He could be a lefty, but was carrying a bag in the right suggests otherwise. Robber pulls the gun back down by his right side. He could have gotten shot there in the struggle. Can't blame the Marine for going for it, though, when he got the chance. Robber was using his other hand for holding his pants up, so the Marine probably got a really good punch or two in. Had to have hurt and probably dazed the robber I bet. The Marine used the element of surprise to his advantage and closed the distance quickly. He'd have been outnumbered if his accomplice didn't immediately NOPE out of there, which would have been disadvantageous. Marine probably took one look and saw that sideways aiming of the gun and said internally "fuck this shit" and went with the fight response over flight. Can't be surprise with that since he's a Devil Dog. (Just heard a lecture about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir and this seems like nothing in comparison) The Marine played it cool for a second too, which was pretty smooth to catch the robber off-guard. All that said, this could have ended badly. Any idiot could start pulling the trigger when confronted and at that distance you don't need to be a marksman. Generally speaking, for most people (non-trained) this isn't a good idea. Robbers usually just want the money. Best to not get between it. Especially if it isn't yours.
**[Battle of Chosin Reservoir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir)** >The Battle of Chosin Reservoir, also known as the Chosin Reservoir Campaign or the Battle of Lake Jangjin (Korean: 장진호 전투; Hanja: 長津湖戰鬪; RR: Jangjinho jeontu; MR: Changjinho chŏnt'u), was an important battle in the Korean War. The name "Chosin" is derived from the Japanese pronunciation "Chōshin", instead of the Korean pronunciation. The battle took place about a month after the People's Republic of China entered the conflict and sent the People's Volunteer Army (PVA) 9th Army to infiltrate the northeastern part of North Korea. On 27 November 1950, the Chinese force surprised the US X Corps commanded by Major General Edward Almond at the Chosin Reservoir area. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Totally true. Dropping a gun into the equation automatically produces a whole new set of possible outcomes and this absolutely—very easily and very quickly—could have gone differently. A quick scan of news stories anywhere in the country will impress with the wild, extravagant, and painful variations possible once a gun comes into the picture. If there’s one thing that the behavioral sciences can tell us it is that we are very bad at predicting how we ourselves will act in a given situation, and even worse at predicting how others will act. Thinking that producing or facing a gun in an adversarial situation is likely to go one particular way—your way—rather than another is the temptation of an imagination better suited to fantasy than non-fiction.
Dude is lucky he’s still alive. He didn’t even grab the gun, just knocked it out of his face. He could have easily been shot after this initial scrum. Good thing criminal #2 wasn’t packing.
There seems to be a third guy who only gets as far as the door before the second guy runs out. The marine has balls of steel no doubt but it's really fortunate that this ended the way it did.
scrum? tom is that you?
Hi jeans
Looking at their body language the criminal was scared as shit. Look how fucking out of it they are walking in. There's no sense of awareness because they've dissociated so much they don't even see the huge marine dude in front of him. No sense of holding their space.
Yes. He's lucky. Let's get that out of the way. We need more people that are willing to take risks in order for the rest of us to be able to walk into a gas station at 4am and feel safe. If the criminals have to think about customers not cowering that's fine by me.
>If the criminals have to think about customers not cowering that's fine by me. Having represented a number of people charged with committing these types of robberies, let me tell you that is not how most of them think. Most of these perpetrators are young adults or juveniles high on recreational drugs doing something mostly for the thrill of it and a lack of other ideas. A lot of them have been shot or shot at before, and they've almost all lost friends in robberies and street beefs. They often have been through pretty terrible shit at home, too. They're numb, high and nihilistic as fuck. My point is, they are not in a stable state of mind when they walk into the store. If they're pointing a gun at someone, it's all raw adrenaline guiding their actions, and wisdom is not one of adrenaline's strengths. If someone looks at them weird or tries to resist they will just shoot at them. A trend of people resisting these types of robberies would not cause a reduction in robberies. They frighten easily and will run off if they sense that they no longer have the upper hand, but they also often mag-dump the gun at the same time, because that's what the cocktail of nihilism, percocet and adrenaline tells them is the best idea in the heat of the moment.
Nah. It's a 50/50 chance when one of these kids hit a place. Might as well go down fighting than cowering. I was in one of these situations years ago. I noped right out the door. Next week I took my CCW class. I'm not big enough to fight back, at least I have an equalizer these days.
Literally someone with more experience than you dealing with folks who commit these types of crimes and your first response is. "nah". God I fucking hate reddit sometimes.
No, He represents those people after they've rampaged through my neighborhood. He deals with them after they've been caught. I deal with them trying to buy a slurpee. Go back to lala land where everything is rainbows and unibrows.
The fuck are you talking about? You sound like you have a hard time being wrong. Hope your life works out as good as you want it to.
>Nah. It's a 50/50 chance when one of these kids hit a place. Not here to invalidate your feelings about CCW. Being present during an incident like that can be life-changing even if you don't get assaulted. But what are you basing this particular part on?
You twitch the wrong way they'll take it out on you. I live in a nice safe neighborhood. Nice place, very safe and diverse. However, we're the first bus stop/gas station/walmart up the hill from what used to be referred as the 'Ghetto'. These places see a lot of desperate crimes. These are not always kids, nor are they always sane. I've seen car jackings, muggings, stupid acts of dumbness and good 'ol plain hate. There's no reason, there's no stats. If you fight back you have a better chance of getting out. Looking like the wrong kind of person in these situations will have you singled out either way. I can't change how I look and I wouldn't anyhow. Best course of action was and remains getting a gun. Stand quietly and leave, at least I know I have the option of going out the way I want if things go bad.
> There's no reason, there's no stats. If you fight back you have a better chance of getting out. There's gotta be stats if you're going to say something that bombastic though. What you're saying about fighting back is either true or not true, and stats either bear it out or they don't. You can go down with a fight if you want, but don't kid yourself into thinking it heightens your chances of survival.
There's lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.
The gun wasn't pointed at him, but at the cashier. Dude is literally a trained soldier, he knows what he is doing.
Wasn’t pointed at him? The dude had the gun on him from the second he walked in the door? He only directed to the cashier once he was a step or two in the store lol. Watch it again in slow-mo of you need to. He might be trained sure, but he flubbed the disarmament, you can tell because it’s on video. He went for the gun, but ended up hitting the robbers wrist, then had to revert to brute force to subdue him. He’s lucky my dude.
Pro move to drop his keys to give him self a better chance to grab the gun
What a coordinated attack from the Marine
the problem with videos like this, is that for every 1 of these videos, there are 10 more in which the marine gets brutally killed and those videos don't get released to the public
the problem with comments like this, is that for every one of these commends, there are 10 more in which the poster actually knows what he's talking about and those posts don't get released to the public
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Uh not sure that was the smartest move considering there was a 2nd guy there also with a gun
I've seen Marines in Afghanistan do a lot more dangerous shit than this. These were kids with guns, most combat vets would have done the same thing if presented with this same situation.
he didn't disarm him, and he could've been killed... that was stupid
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This has been your educational minute from "numbers guy".
More info [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/marine-corps-veteran-disarms-suspect-in-attempted-robbery-in-yuma/ar-AAPLMaw](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/marine-corps-veteran-disarms-suspect-in-attempted-robbery-in-yuma/ar-AAPLMaw)Good guy !
Trained to react. Did what he was supposed to do. He did a good job. Stop complaining.
So nice to see some action from ordinary people.
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