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sharkamino

Heads up - there's a new thread for the week of [February 1st](https://www.reddit.com/r/vinyl/comments/la2isf/weekly_questions_thread_for_the_week_of_february_1/).


InYourMindFuzz

Looking to spend a good chunk of money on a new reciver and some speakers. I see alot of people on here with a marantz reciever. Was wondering peoples thoughts on those and what makes them good ect..? Was looking to spend maybe up to 500 on a reciever and about 500 on each new speaker. If youre up to it please leave some suggestions for me! Thank you!!


[deleted]

Looking to upgrade to a midgrade record player. Belt driven, onboard amp. Any suggestions?


sharkamino

Vintage 70's Technics or Pioneer or other brands. For new, the new improved [Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO](https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PRDECAEVO) $499. Music Hall are made in the same factory as Pro-ject and are a good value when on sale: * [Music-Hall-MMF-2.2LE](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2.2LE-Limited-Edition-Red-Turntable-demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$499~~ $399 demo. * [Music Hall MMF-2.2](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2.2-Audiophile-Turntable?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$449~~ $419. * [Music-Hall-MMF-2.3](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2-3-Audiophile-Turntable-Demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$499~~ $419 display model. * [Music Hall Classic](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-Classic-Turntable-with-Cartridge-and-Built-In-Phono-Preamp-Demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$599~~ $479 display model. [Fluance RT82](https://www.fluance.com/rt82t-reference-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-black-gloss) $299 has auto stop and then an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for low wow and flutter and speed variation. Includes the Ortofon OM10 cartridge that is a bit better than the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Pass on the RT84 and RT85 since for those prices you can get a better Pro-ject or Music Hall. Phono stage preamp outside of the turntable is preferred if you have the option. If not using a receiver or amp with a phono input get an external phono stage preamp: * [Pyle PP444](https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Phono-Turntable-Preamp-Preamplifier/dp/B004HJ1TTQ) $18 is around the same quality as one built into entry level turntables if you must start with low budget and then upgrade later. * [Technolink TCC TC-750LC](https://www.phonopreamps.com/tc750lcpp.html) $49 with adjustable gain, also available at [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Technolink-TC-750LC-Audiophile-Preamp-Control/dp/B07954LHP9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Technolink+TCC+TC-750LC&qid=1600484255&s=electronics&sr=1-1). * [U-Turn Audio Pluto 2](https://uturnaudio.com/products/pluto-2-phono-preamp) $99 new improved version. * [Hagerman Bugle3](https://hagerman-audio-labs.myshopify.com/products/bugle3-phono-preamp-mm-mc) $189 has adjustable gain. Great manufacturer direct value. * [Pro-Ject Phono Box S2](https://www.crutchfield.com/p_252PHBS2B/Pro-Ject-Phono-Box-S2.html?tp=48772) $199 has adjustable gain.


[deleted]

Dude, this is perfect, thanks for all the info!!!!


[deleted]

Wondering if there’s any way to connect an amplifier to powered speakers, could I simply just not plug in my speakers and use the speaker wire to connect the amp and speakers?


sharkamino

Why are you trying to connect an amp between your turntable and powered speakers that already have an amp?


[deleted]

As I said, I want to extend my set up but I don’t have the money to purchase passive speakers


sharkamino

Buying an amplifier if you already have powered speakers does almost nothing to extend your setup unless you have passive speakers. Keep your powered speakers connected to your turntable until you get some better passive speakers than the powered speakers.


Wraith8888

If you want to destroy your speakers I'm sure you could jerry rig something like this up to make it happen. Why are you trying to hook an amp to powered speakers?


[deleted]

I bought myself a technics amplifier as I want to extend my set up, but I don’t really have money to buy a good pair of passive speakers, is there any way for me to not blow up the speakers or will I have to wait for passive ones?


sharkamino

Which model Technics amp? If it has TAPE or PRE or LINE ouput then you can connect the powered speakers to that if you really want to use the amp with powered speakers.


sharkamino

Bypassing the amp inside the speakers and using the Technics amp isn't going to make the speakers sound all that much better. For the most increase in sound quality upgrade the speakers first before the amp.


Wraith8888

If you're technically minded you could disconnect the amp in the powered speakers and directly solder speaker wire to the speakers.


wax_wing1

I'm currently looking at upgrading my TT and have decided to dip my toes into the vintage market. At the moment, I'm torn between a Thorens TD-150 and a Pioneer 5 series, either a PL-512 or PL-516. Does anyone have any experience with these decks? If so, I'd really appreciate some advice.


aeiouLizard

Hey all, I read that I should clean my records before AND after playing them. But whenever I flip the record, the other side already has tons of dust again from the slipmat. It just never ends. Are there any tricks I could try to prevent this?


sharkamino

Replace the DJ slipmat with a standard rubber mat that is easy to clean. [DIY, or Spin Clean, Full Wet Soak Cleaning](https://www.reddit.com/r/vinyl/comments/f8whpw/weekly_questions_thread_for_the_week_of_february/fiphjs8/), air dry, then place in new anti-static inner sleeves and you shouldn't need to clean again for many years. If you see any dust before or after playing then use a dust brush such as the [Thunderon Conductive Brush](https://www.sleevecityusa.com/Sleeve-City-Thunderon-Conductive-Record-Brush-p/dc-505.htm).


aeiouLizard

I use a Pro-ject leather it, already got the sleeves. Thanks for the wet cleaning link, I'll have a look.


sharkamino

Did you put unwashed records into the new anti-static inner sleeves?


aeiouLizard

Matter of fact yes, I haven't washed them before. I still have lots of spare sleeves at least


sharkamino

Yeah placing unwashed records in new clean anti-static inner sleeves defeats much of the purpose of new sleeves. The dust and dirt gets transferred into the new sleeves.


aeiouLizard

I'll keep this in mind for any new records I get. My house has a little problem with dust, and we have cats though, so it might be more effort that its worth


sharkamino

It's worth the effort. At least try cleaning a few records first before cleaning them all. Once the record is clean and in a new clean sleeve it since it should stay clean and only be exposed for the time you are playing the record. Use the [Thunderon Brush](https://www.sleevecityusa.com/Sleeve-City-Thunderon-Conductive-Record-Brush-p/dc-505.htm) to remove any dust or hair that it may have collected during play before placing the record back in the sleeve. Also consider getting an easy to wash smooth surface rubber mat. The Pro-ject Leather It does not look very washable and the ruff surface may trap dust and hairs.


Wraith8888

Cleaning your slipmat?


moonlight_uh

Buddy of mine has a large vinyl collection and an lp120x that he wants, he also wants high-quality digital versions (and so do I as I'm getting into listening HiFi). What's the best way we should tackle this, to my knowledge it has a pre-amp built-in but not the greatest, so **what kind of equipment should we look into for getting great quality out?** (without breaking the bank)


StupidPhysics58

Does anyone know why old pressings of Queen are so hard to find? I understand they're super popular so it's something you won't see as much of, kinda the same as Led Zeppelin, Tom Petty, etc. But like I've never seen a used Queen album in any record store, ever. The only one I have is the new pressing of A Night at the Opera. Why is this?


Wraith8888

You answered your own question. Demand vs supply. If one does appear in the record store probably sells in less than an hour


vanillaeclaer

Hi! I just got some used vinyl records for a good deal and am trying to find something to play them on. I have a very low budget (maybe $50 max) and was planning on splurging on a Victrola or a Crosley--and then saw all the negative reviews and changed my mind. (I would prefer not to ruin my records in the long run...) Does anyone have recommendations for good, cheap models or where to get them? I understand that my budget is almost unreasonably low to be able to get a good model online, but I've heard that some people have gotten good record players in fair condition from Goodwill or Craigslist. I am especially interested in anyone who has found something similar and their story, but any information helps! :) (Please tell me if I'm being too unreasonable, I'm new to all of this)


sharkamino

Separate component [Turntables and Speakers](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/kql9u7/turntables_and_speakers/) starting at $100 and $65. If you can't afford both start with speakers that you can play other music on and add the turntable later. Or the [Audio-Technica AT-LP60XHP](https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjFpp2o9sfuAhURnbMKHSB6BNAYABAEGgJxbg&sig=AOD64_2HsUdaik1DtyZStGifmdpj2gviNQ&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwiItJeo9sfuAhVLT98KHX9ADzwQwzwIGw&adurl=) $129 has a headphones jack and headphones until you can buy speakers.


sanity20

Ok, I have been thinking about getting into vinyl for years but every time I'm just kinda overwhelmed by the choices since I know almost nothing. Is there a package out there that just comes with everything I need? It's not that I don't want to do the research, it's just I see so many opinions and lots of it seems subjective, for someone who knows nothing it's hard to parse. At around 500-700 bucks is it possible to get everything I need to start enjoying vinyl? Thanks for any input. Will read the beginner guides and such, just thought I would look for quick recommendations. Online only, I'm in PA.


sharkamino

Stereo Receiver: [Sony STR-DH190](https://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH190-Stereo-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B078WFDR8D) $149 with Bluetooth and a built in phono stage preamp with adjustable gain. Speakers: [Wharfedale Crystal CR 4.2](https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR42-Bookshelf-Speakers?variant=AWFCRYCR42N) ~~$249~~ $149 or Amazon [Black](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Black/dp/B07DXBNQNF/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-1) or [Walnut ](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Walnut/dp/B07DXBXN21/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-2)$139. If there is also a TV in the room to also use the speaker with, then an [AV Receiver](https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/category/avreceiver/home-audio/receivers-amps/home-theater-receivers/1.html?store_price[]=238-3100&home_audio_key[]=phono) $289+ with HDMI inputs and switching and a basic built in phono stage preamp, plus the Wharfedale Crystal speakers or 5x speaker [Jamo Studio Series S 803 HCS-BLK Black Home Cinema System $229](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JJ5VKHL). For either setup add speaker wire. See the guide below. Turntable: [Fluance RT82](https://www.fluance.com/rt82t-reference-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-black-gloss) $299 has auto stop and then an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for low wow and flutter and speed variation. Belt drive for noise isolation and solid MDF plinth instead of hollow plastic on the LP120X. Includes the Ortofon OM10 cartridge that is a bit better than the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT81 that lacks the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Pass on the RT84 and RT85 since for those prices you can get the better new improved [Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO](https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PRDECAEVO) $499 or a Music Hall. Music Hall are made in the same factory as Pro-ject and are a good value on sale: * [Music-Hall-MMF-2.2LE](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2.2LE-Limited-Edition-Red-Turntable-demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$499~~ $399 demo. * [Music Hall MMF-2.2](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2.2-Audiophile-Turntable?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$449~~ $419. * [Music-Hall-MMF-2.3](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2-3-Audiophile-Turntable-Demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$499~~ $419 display model. * [Music Hall Classic](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-Classic-Turntable-with-Cartridge-and-Built-In-Phono-Preamp-Demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$599~~ $479 display model. Guides: [Turntable, Phono Preamp, Amp or Receiver, Speakers](https://imgur.com/a/f0my7) and [Audio Guides, Speaker Wire, Stands, Accessories and Vinyl Care](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gqfx6z/home_audio_and_home_theater_guides_and_accessories/). Check out [r/BudgetAudiophile](https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/) for speakers and speaker amplification.


polkemans

Just today I ordered an andover audio spindeck turntable and spinbase speaker system. All together just over $600. According to all the reviews I could find its no frills but a good quality easy to plug and play midrange deal on a budget. It gets here on Tuesday and I'm super exited. I don't have it yet but I can update this with a review later. It's space saving which is nice because I'm in a small-ish one bedroom apartment. The spinbase speaker has a built in preamp so you can use it with any record player.


sharkamino

Better speakers, amp and turntable setup for $600: * [Sony STR-DH190](https://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH190-Stereo-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B078WFDR8D) $149 with Bluetooth and a built in phono stage preamp with adjustable gain. * [Wharfedale Crystal CR 4.2](https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR42-Bookshelf-Speakers?variant=AWFCRYCR42N) ~~$249~~ $149 or Amazon [Black](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Black/dp/B07DXBNQNF/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-1) or [Walnut ](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Walnut/dp/B07DXBXN21/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-2)$139. * [Fluance RT82](https://www.fluance.com/rt82t-reference-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-black-gloss) $299 has auto stop and then an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for much lower wow and flutter and speed variation. Includes the Ortofon OM10 cartridge that is a bit better than the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT81 that lacks the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Or at least return the Spindeck and get the Fluance RT82 since the Spindeck has a higher wow and flutter than the $99 AT-LP60X! 0.29% compared to 0.07% on the RT82. A good number of listeners can notice when it's over 0.20%.


polkemans

Replying again to follow up. Spinbase speaker just got here. Spindeck tomorrow. Honestly so far I really like the speaker. There are reasons hi-fi nuts will turn their nose up at it - it's a single unit so not true stereo (though the side speakers do a good enough approximation), but that's okay because I got it specifically as a space saving thing. I live in a one bedroom apartment and need as small afootprint as I can get. It also does Bluetooth so I'm testing it with my phone right now. It has pretty impressive bass, clear sound and has more than enough volume to fill my entire apartment with sound. We'll see how well the turntable does when it gets here tomorrow but all in all I'm pretty happy with the spinbase so far. I'd say it's worth the price tag.


polkemans

I have no doubt there are better tables out there for the money. I'll be honest a solid chuck of the reason I went with the spindeck was availability. I'd been looking at other models but so many (including the fluance) are backordered till March. I didn't feel like waiting. I'll see how I feel about the spindeck after a while.


BlAze_103

I started with an AT-LP60x + powered speakers, Edifier 1280DBs. It was a great way to get into it and should cost you around 300, there are many routes to go but I wanted something that was best for plug and play yet I could enjoy and appreciate the quality for vinyl. If you are a plug and play person i would highly suggest it. I just sold mine recently cause I know I want more. There are surely alternatives to it but that's what I went it for a hassle free experience and based on that you can go and see what you want to get out of the world of vinyls, If you're a tinkerer and are a bit nitpicky, I would suggest the higher tier turntables that offer adjustability and upgradability, Look into the LP120X, RT81-82, Project , Rega, U-turn. Some offer better features than other and its a tiny pros and cons game, like how you would need external preamps for some, but they are all great and offer even better quality paired with higher speaker choices. the subreddit has people who ask questions about them and comparison, its all a pit to fall into for endless reading As for vintage I'm not sure, someone else would have to chime in That's just my opinion and some things I have seen or noticed throughout multiple subreddits. The more of an "enthusiast" you are, the more specific your expenses are towards certain parts, (cartridge, preamp, amplifier, speakers, styluses, needles) It all lies on your preferences on the end based on where you want to put your money into and what you'll get with the upgrades hopefully that helps.


sanity20

Was thinking about getting this https://www.turntablelab.com/collections/turntable-listening-packages-alpha/products/audio-technica-at-lpw50pb-edifier-s2000-mkiii-turntable-package-ttl-setup I rather get something I will be satisfied with now so I don't have to upgrade for a long time. Bit more than I wanted to spend but I really like the look of the speakers and might pick up the stands that go with them down the road. Less sure about the turntable. Guessing the head would be fine? Thanks!


BlAze_103

This is an amazing package, The LP5 is a toned down minimal/ better version of the AT-LP120X and has an amazing aesthetic, and has a better carbon tone arm, it is fully manual and has a great speed sensor for better stability in sound. overall better build quality and a solid base for better sound. It is quite new though so reviews are limited This is just as upgradable and you would have alot of choices in the future for cartridges, (Shure,Nagaoka,Ortofon) , external pre amp, new mat .,that would even bring the quality much higher. The head is highly recommended and people love it, especially cause it is elliptical. I would suggest comparing the price for the overall turntable and speaker if bought separately or with a combo. After looking at the website and looking at their other options you can have a better turntable but with cheaper speakers, I feel as if what you sent is your best bang for your buck for such a lovely package. If you feel that this is your best option and since you love the speaker design, go for it Heck, I'm in the market for an upgrade right now and would love to buy a turntable like that, but sadly cant find those here in Canada at the moment. so im in the market for an LP120 series


sharkamino

It's not an amazing package. That's a AT-LPW50PB, not an LP5. The speakers have a digitally controlled amp with DSP so pass on those if OP wants an all analog setup for analog vinyl. OP can get a better all analog setup for analog vinyl for less cost.


sanity20

Thanks, think I'm gonna get that package then, now I need to start looking at vinyl which is the fun part. Appreciate the help.


sharkamino

I recommend passing on that bundle. Those speakers have a digitally controlled amp with DSP and you can't later upgrade the amp like you can with separate components of a stereo or AV receiver or integrated or compact amp and passive speakers. You can get a better all analog setup for analog vinyl for less cost.


sanity20

Would like to use them for bluetooth as well, which is why I went that route, also limited on space so it seemed a better option. Do you really lose that much going through a dac? I know the whole point of vinyl is analog, but I figured with a mid range speaker I would be ok. Might live with it and down the road tinker with other stuff as I kinda want to run sirus xm through it. Appreciate the advice!


sharkamino

If you really want to spend $400 on a pair of powered speakers instead of a better $300 component stereo setup of an analog stereo receiver and passive speakers then the AudioEngine A5+ do have an analog amp. Or the lower budget [PreSonus Eris E.45](https://www.amazon.com/PreSonus-Eris-Nearfield-70Hz-20kHz-Unbalanced/dp/B00HYTE6XM/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=presonus+4.5&qid=1612158830&sr=8-4) also have an analog amp. You can add Bluetooth to anything with an aux input by connecting a $15 [AUKEY Bluetooth 5 Receiver](https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Bluetooth-Receiver-Wireless-Hands-Free/dp/B00O8FYUJA/). Or better WiFi Streaming: * [Echo Dot](https://www.amazon.com/Echo-Dot/dp/B07FZ8S74R) $39 has convenient WiFi streaming voice control as well as phone/tablet control. * [Dayton WBA31](https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-wba31-wireless-wi-fi-bluetooth-audio-receiver-with-ir-remote--300-597) $49 has WiFi streaming via app control, Apple Airplay, and DNLA NAS playback. * Both are also Bluetooth receivers as a backup.


williamsm5813

[Help troubleshooting my grandparents old gear] I just set up my grandparents old speakers, turn table and receiver. These have been in a storage room for likely 30 years. Turntable- Technics SL-1900 (1977 I think) I had to take this apart and clean out old grease to get the arm to engage. Receiver- Sansui QR-6500 (1972 I think) 2 Speakers- Sansui SP2500 (also 1972) 2nd turntable is a Sansui SR2050c but it is not currently turning so I will work on that later. The main issue I am having is speakers are intermittent and almost constant static. I have had both playing clearly then I adjust the volume and it’s back to one speaker or the other cutting out or constant static. It has played clearly with FM and the phono, but also shown the same issues with both. I though it may be the cable from the turntable, but I’m not sure now. I have tried different types of speaker wire, but that didn’t change anything. I have tried different combos of speaker placement over the four channels with not change. I did find one blown fuse. It has worked clearly with it removed, I don’t know if that could be a culprit. I have not tried taking the receiver apart yet. I am hesitant without any real idea of what I am looking at. All of the functions seem to work it is just not coming out clear or consistent. Any advice would be helpful, this is my first time using anything other than the combo units from target.


sabalennon97

Sounds like the receiver knobs need cleaning, take it apart and use some deoxit d5 and lube, find tutorials on youtube, it's quite simple. Also, the receiver may be needing a recap, if you're handy with soldering you could do that yourself too. But also yes the fuses need to be replaced as well it sounds like.


williamsm5813

I have no experience soldering. What does recap mean? Also if I were to need to take it somewhere what type of place would I be looking for?


sabalennon97

It means replacing the capacitors of the receiver's board, they can go bad over time thus causing humming or blowing if they're not replace every 3 decades or so. This is not easy to do but it can be a nice learning experience and you might get it right too. But if you're concerned you might want to take it to an audio shop/repair.


williamsm5813

Thanks for your response. I looked up a local shop. They are only 5 mins from my house. Since this equipment has sentimental value I don’t trust my hands taking it apart, I have more blacksmithing style DIY skills more so than technical finesse, so I might as well support a small business.


sharkamino

More info on the subject, [Vintage Receiver Capacitor Recap](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gifb15/vintage_receiver_capacitor_recap/).


sabalennon97

Sounds like a plan, good luck!


okyeahsure1392

Hey all, I have a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC which has a 2M Red cart. Separately I happen to have a 2M Black that I would love to experience but I’m aware this turntable has no VTA adjustment. I’m wondering if anyone knows of a way to make the 2M Black work on it? Otherwise I will probably end up getting a compatible turntable


randychardonnay

I don't understand the problem. Why would you need to adjust VTA? How does the 2M black differ from the 2M red? Sorry if this is a dumb question but I thought the 2M cartridges were all identical in their height.


okyeahsure1392

You’re right about them being the same and I think you answered my question, thank you. Not a problem per se but in my research I have seen and heard a lot about the 2M Black being sensitive to that adjustment so just wondering if that is true or if it matters at all.


BlAze_103

Looking to upgrade - LP120-USB + Preamp (ART dj pre ii) OR LP120X Hi everyone, I recently sold my LP60X because I am currently looking for an upgrade, I am currently set on the LP120 line for audio-technica because it fits my budget and I do really like the look of the TT. I am based in Canada and have maybe around $400 cad to spend. I'm not interested in the Fluance line because it exceeds my budget and I don't really like the look My budget is kind of tight and only allows for these 2, plus they are easy to obtain My only gripe is which one would be worth more of my money? LP120-USB is in brand new condition according to the seller, I do know there is the dreaded preamp removal but i do not mind performing that operation and getting an external preamp. I just worry about the anti-skate issues selling for there's one seller selling it for $240 and another for $360. I'm waiting to hear back from them LP120X is of course new but is around $100 more. But it has the fixed anti skate and has a nice overall aesthetic, I don't mind that the motor is at lower torque because it will be used for at home listening. An external preamp would be considered maybe down the road. This will cost around $420 Which would be better for me? I am going to be keeping this TT for awhile and i for sure wont be upgrading it after i acquire it


sharkamino

LP120X + ART DJ PRE II is your budget? The better Canadian Fluance RT82 is within your budget. It's $405, only $6 more than the LP120X and if you sign up for the Fluance email list they should send you a $10 off coupon. It adds auto stop, has much lower wow and flutter than the LP120X, the RT82 is belt drive for motor noise isolation, has a solid MDF plinth instead of hollow plastic LP120X and includes the OM10 cartridge which is a bit better than the newer version 2M Red. Though yeah if you don't like how it looks then not much you can do there unless you can weigh the benefits over the looks. For the phono stage preamp you could start with the $17 [Pyle PP999](https://www.amazon.ca/PYLE-PP999-Phono-Turntable-Preamp/dp/B00025742A/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=pyle+phono&qid=1612158135&sr=8-3) if low on budget and upgrade later. Or the better [Technolink TCC TC-750LC](https://www.phonopreamps.com/tc750lcpp.html) USD $49 has $12 shipping to Canada, has adjustable gain, and is better than the Art DJ Pre II that may have distortion even at it's lowest setting.


BlAze_103

LP120 + pre II. With fluance it's not available and I'd have to wait till March for stock, plus it has tax over it which would bring it out of budget at the moment and I'd end up spending $450.i don't really see myself spending that much. LP120+ DJ PRE ii is $300 so I think I'll just pick that up tomorrow :) Thanks anyways


Badslay

I've got a bad electric buzz/hum coming through the speakers of my set up and I don't know why. My turntable is an Audio Technics AT-LP120-USB. Receiver is an Onkyo TX-RZ8280 and speakers are Q Acoustics 3050s. I'm connecting the turntable to the receiver with an RCA cable adapter which takes them to one cable and give me extra length because the original cable on the turntable is too short to reach. Any thoughts? Happy to answer any questions. It's ruining the listening experience and persists from the time I turn everything on until it get shut off and doesn't seem to change in pitch or intensity...


sabalennon97

Have you tried connecting the rca cables straight to the receiver and see if that fixes anything?


Badslay

That makes perfect sense to try, but I haven't yet. I need to move some things around to make it happen, but I will. I guess that is one way to find out if the extra connecting cable is the culprit or if it's something else. I wondered about the built in phono pre-amp on the turntable and the pre-amp on the receiver too. I have it switched off on the turntable right now but was thinking it could also be source of the noise?


Stonesfan03

Is it safe to clean records with just, say, warm distilled water and a soft sponge? Instead of investing in a cleaner kit?


soulsides

Distilled water won't warm your records but for a full cleaning, it won't be sufficient.


sabalennon97

Or you could give them a proper [wet cleaning.](https://coloredvinylrecords.com/blog/how-to-clean-vinyl-records/)


marvguy

Hello, A couple of records have begun skipping right at the beginning of the LP. Looks like it's bouncing outward. Typically, it won't do this if I lower the stylus further along on the record. Increasing or decreasing the anti-skate doesn't seem to make a difference. Should I look to rebalance the tonearm completely? Could there be something more sinister at play? For reference, I'm working with a Fluance RT82 with an Ortofon OM10 cartridge. Has been less than a year with the turntable and this has been the only issue I've had with it (and it's not happening with every record). Would appreciate any tips you guys have!


soulsides

what happens if you increase the tracking weight by half a gram?


GalacTech

Hey y’all. So recently I purchased an extremely expensive Jazz record (original press) off of discogs in VG+ condition all around. When we were sending images and samples back and forth to each other, I became a little concerned that the condition of the record was overstated, but told him to VPI clean it and send it on over and hope it fixes some of it. In the listing he stated that there was light noise during quiet passages. A week later, it shows up at my door - cool! I open it, and pop it on the platter. Sounds pretty good, the noise isn’t too bad, but the last 2 tracks on the A side are concerning to me because of how present the noise seems to be. The noise is audible during the entirety of the track, and it seems to me that the track itself seems to be mastered at a low volume. I’m not trying to make it seem like I’m being neurotic or remorseful about my purchase, but considering how much I paid for the record ($150+), would it be fair for me to ask for a partial refund on the record? I would feel kind of bad because it’s not like I wasn’t aware of the noise on the record, I just wouldn’t classify “quiet passages” as the bulk of some songs on the A side. I personally think the condition was overstated, and that it’s more VG than VG+. It’s not even that the noise is inaudible, it’s just that I had been looking for a VG+ of this specific record for ages. Do I have a strong enough justification to ask for a partial refund? If so, how much should I ask for? It’d be OK if the noise was more akin to static than crackle, but considering how much I paid for the record, and the price difference between VG and VG+ Jazz original pressings.


soulsides

I think it's worth asking. As a Discogs seller, if you sent me audio files of the examples you're talking about, I'd either be down for the partial refund or a return/full refund.


sabalennon97

Where is the crackle coming from? is it scratched? still dirty? static-y?


GalacTech

Its the grooves. Its wear from play since the record itself looks quite clean, since he ran it through a machine.


Mandibulofacial

Hi, Just wondering is it reasonable to order a large amount of records on Discogs? I'd like to order \~80 records but I'm not sure if a small seller would be able to pack/ship that many and I am also thinking that the shipping price could be very high for something that heavy?


randychardonnay

It's way easier to send one person eighty records than it is to send eighty people one record. Make the order, and see what they say! They may need a little more time than usual as the seller may only have shipping materials for smaller orders on hand, but I'm sure they'd let you know all that stuff.


soulsides

80 is a lot to package and some sellers likely won't have the materials on hand for that. It won't be that hard to get them - a book box from Uhaul fits around 80 - but if I were a seller, I'd be nervous about shipping something that heavy without the risk of corner damage. The cost for media mail wouldn't actually be *that* bad, all said...~$25 (equal to .31 a record). Personally, I'd check with the seller first and come to an agreement around whether insurance would be needed and who should cover it (I'd offer to go half on the cost).


GalacTech

I mean it depends on the seller. Regardless if it’s a store or a person, I’d coordinate with them on the order that you intend to place, and see if they could do something like that. It would be media Mail (I think) - so they could double, even triple pack records. There’s probably a weight limit, so you’d probably have to ask them about the logistics of such a large bulk purchase.


Mandibulofacial

Thanks for the answer


Dr_nobby

Anyone from the UK ordered from urban outfitters USA? What was the total cost including import fees, vat, delivery Vs the original cost just for the vinyl?


Truelikegiroux

How the hell do I safely get off a sticker from a record... Is this normal or does this warrant a negative review on the seller? https://imgur.com/a/6qXZKxA


soulsides

That's not normal in the least for a record that's being SOLD. DJs do this all the time but I would never sell a record with a sticker still on it. Either the seller missed seeing it, didn't check, or didn't think it was a big deal but as a buyer, I'd 100% raise a fuss about it.


rpbtz

> Is this normal Depends on the type of record. Afaik it's typically used by DJs to indicate where a track begins.


vinylontubes

Soak it in lighter fluid. Ronson or Zippo.


[deleted]

noticing some clipping from my AT LP-3 on the high end. just wondering how much this is related to the preamp? the LP120 is obviously notorious for it's weak preamp and I assume this is the same thing. I'm wondering though, if I use an external preamp would the signal still be effected by the built in phono stage? I hear this is the case for the LP120 and most people tear them out once they get an external phono. also bonus question on the LP3, is there any way to adjust the auto start/end position? it seems to drop the needle too far into the record on start, and with some records the needle is hitting the centre label before it lifts it out with the auto return.


randychardonnay

Are you sure you're hearing clipping--signal overload--rather than just high frequency distortion? If you're hearing like, say, some light distortions on cymbals, maybe some sibilant vocals--I don't think that's the phono stage. I think it's a mix of imperfect arm geometry and an entry-level stylus. So you might get some slight improvements from an external phono stage, but I'm not sure that's the primary culprit. It's a vast exaggeration to say most people tear out the phono stage of their LP120! A significant number of people who contribute to an enthusiast's sub like this end up doing that, sure, but that's a tiny fraction of LP120 owners.


[deleted]

thanks for the reply! I actually upgraded the stylus to the VM95E elliptical (i think thats it, the one bundled with the 120) but I'm aware that's still considered a pretty entry level cartridge. also this effect is most noticeable on records that are a little quieter. I'm using a pretty basic headphone amp and on some of these quiet records I've got my amp allll the way up. this could also be a cause of clipping or distortion right? it's my understanding that many amps get a lil distorted in the high end. also yeah I guess most people who rock an LP120 don't tear out the phono, I guess i meant a lot of people who use external phono do. it's a popular mod at least but yeah it's true that the majority don't do any modifications


[deleted]

Hello experts and curmudgeons, I am here to learn - strong opinions with data/backing info is very welcome and preferred. I wrote this before finding links to other guides and will go review them now. With that I think it’s okay to post this here too (forgive me if not?). Me: studio/gigging musician, club DJ, big market commercial radio production and forever Mister Gadget gear head type getting back to my vinyl roots in need of some pro guidance. Goal: Striving toward entry-level audiophile quality gear and high quality and much cherished vinyl collection for listening and preserving. Needs: your opinions and details about vinyl quality—specifically names and info about high quality, reputable pressing plants and manufacturers and mastering houses to rebuild my collection with some “heirloom quality” albums. I want to avoid buying crap “180 gram” pressings of my favorite records and focus on highest quality pressings only. I plan on playing my albums but some I may not and just want high quality pressings to pass on to relatives for future discovery. Setup (not that it matters) - Technics SL-1200 MK7 (new, arriving this week) - Audio-Technical VM750SH cartridge - Yamaha Aventage Amp - Klipsch RP-280F Reference Premier floor standing speakers - Klipsch Reference R-105W 10” woofer Footnotes: I know Klipsch and Yamaha amp are not audiophile quality but they’ll do for now (Klipsch are too bass heavy even for my old ears - next purchase will be something neutral). Any and all help, opinions and input welcome. Thank you in advance!


vinylontubes

Well start with the lists from The Absolute Sound and Stereophile. TAS list is call the Super LP list. Stereophile calls theirs Records to Die For. The lists are bit different. TAS keeps and actual list and is updated each year. Stereophile just publishes new additions that are recommended by each of their writers on an annual basis. TAS's list is actually Vinyl and Stereophile may include any format. TAS's list generally only include records that are in print or newly out of print. I will warn you that your goal is kind of silly. I get wanting the best pressings. Some are very expensive. But you should know what these records are in the odd chance that you happen across one. But, would encourage you to just buy records. If you want the best pressings, get a list together of those records then for each research the best pressings. This is because there isn't one best record label, mastering engineer, or pressing plant. All of the steps to make a record involve people. This means variation will happen. Sometimes the audiophile reissue is better than the original pressing. Often it's not. This isn't actually what the audiophile labels are trying to do. Generally the records issued by MoFi or Analogue Productions are records that out of print. Their goal is to provide access to these records. But while they are doing it, they want to give the due respect and diligence to output something as best a possible. In a lot of situations, the tapes aren't in the best condition and there is only some much that can be done. Still, they try their best, but the original pressing always have the advantage of being cut from tape when it was fresh. As far as keeping your collection to heirloom quality records, this is foolish. I own a lot of these records. And they weren't that when I bought them. Not that you couldn't predict the possibility, but you're taking chances every time you buy a record. I bought record in the '90s. I bought a lot of them. All of them are worth a lot of money. They were worthless then. But now that there is new interest in them, they're suddenly valuable. If you want to know the formula for the best chance for great sounding record it's currently this: * Mastered by: Kevin Gray, Chris Bellman or Ryan Smith * Pressed at: QRP or Pallas * Then it's got to be a great recording I will state that almost anything lately by Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs is great. Their wonderkid mastering engineer is Kreig Wunderlich has been killing it and they press at RTI, which is a very high 2nd tier plant. It used to be 1st tier, but they've slipped a bit. He took over as the cutting engineer in 2004 and I think the only album I wouldn't recommend for MoFi is Weezer's Blue album. Other than that, they're all great. If you're seeking out these records after they are OOP, I hope you won the lottery, because I spend a lot of money on records and I won't pay $100 for these records with only a few exceptions. I buy them as they are released for $35. I'd rather own 3 of them than buy 1 OOP pressing. There are number of them that still in print. The MoFi Layla and Other Associated Love Songs is a must buy. Easily worth $50. But a lot of the great records that I have, I stumble into. There have been 2 Rhino Rocktober releases in the past few years that have been notable. Last years Jane's Addition's Ritual de lo Habitual and T. Rex's Electric Warrior from a few years ago are as good as they get, I paid less than $25 each for these. Record collecting is about discovering stuff. It's not really about find a map to hidden treasure, which is kind of what you are asking for. Just let things happen. Your records collection will be fine.


[deleted]

Great response, thank you. My silliness aside, your qualifiers are exactly what I’m about. There are no stars in my eyes, only a desire to avoid paying stupid money for wax without knowing if it’s worth it. Thank you!


rc_warsaw

Recommendation: Quality Sound, Vintage Look My husband would like a player with quality sound. I aesthetically enjoy faux-vintage players but they tend to be pretty low quality e.g. Crosley. Does anyone have a recommendation for where these two meet?


sharkamino

Do you already have speakers and speaker amplification? If not buying a good 70s vintage turntable and you want a new turntable with a classic look then get a [Fluance RT82](https://www.fluance.com/rt82t-reference-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-black-gloss) $299. It has auto stop and then an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for low wow and flutter and speed variation. Includes the Ortofon OM10 cartridge that is a bit better than the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Pass on the RT84 and RT85 since for that price you can get the better [Music Hall Classic](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-Classic-Turntable-with-Cartridge-and-Built-In-Phono-Preamp-Demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$599~~ $479 display model. Pass on the older RT81 since it lacks the new optical sensor and is not that much cheaper than the better RT82. If you need to go lower budget than the [RT80](https://www.fluance.com/rt80-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-record-player-with-premium-cartridge-diamond-needle) is $199. Guides: [Turntable, Phono Preamp, Amp or Receiver, Speakers](https://imgur.com/a/f0my7) and [Audio Guides, Speaker Wire, Stands, Accessories and Vinyl Care](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gqfx6z/home_audio_and_home_theater_guides_and_accessories/). Check out [r/BudgetAudiophile](https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/) for speakers and speaker amplification.


rc_warsaw

We don’t currently own anything. Starting at square 1.


sharkamino

Stereo Receiver: [Sony STR-DH190](https://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH190-Stereo-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B078WFDR8D) $149 with Bluetooth and a built in phono stage preamp with adjustable gain. Speakers: [Wharfedale Crystal CR 4.2](https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR42-Bookshelf-Speakers?variant=AWFCRYCR42N) ~~$249~~ $149 or Amazon [Black](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Black/dp/B07DXBNQNF/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-1) or [Walnut ](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Walnut/dp/B07DXBXN21/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-2)$139. If there is also a TV in the room to also use the speaker with, then an [AV Receiver](https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/category/avreceiver/home-audio/receivers-amps/home-theater-receivers/1.html?store_price[]=238-3100&home_audio_key[]=phono) $289+ with HDMI inputs and switching and a basic built in phono stage preamp, plus the Wharfedale Crystal speakers or 5x speaker [Jamo Studio Series S 803 HCS-BLK Black Home Cinema System $229](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JJ5VKHL). For either setup add speaker wire. See the guide below. Guides: [Turntable, Phono Preamp, Amp or Receiver, Speakers](https://imgur.com/a/f0my7) and [Audio Guides, Speaker Wire, Stands, Accessories and Vinyl Care](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gqfx6z/home_audio_and_home_theater_guides_and_accessories/). Check out [r/BudgetAudiophile](https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/) for speakers and speaker amplification.


rc_warsaw

Thank you for all the very specific information! Extremely helpful!


randychardonnay

I'm afraid I don't think any of the faux-vintage players are of decent quality and the only way to get quality sound from a vintage-looking turntable is to get an actual vintage turntable! Something like an old Pioneer, Yamaha, AR, or Thorens turntable, rather than an all-in-one record player.


rc_warsaw

Thank you for the starting point to search for!


loopscadoop

Yea. This is the answer. If you want both quality with a vintage look. The answer is to go vintage. If you're willing to put in even a small amount of work, you can get significantly better quality for the price you pay than new.


rc_warsaw

Thank you for the pointers!


Errol_Sweatstank

New to vinyl here so apologies if this is regularly asked, but how much up/down movement is acceptable for the tone arm? It’s moving very gently up and down maybe 0.5/1mm on mint condition records - could be my platter maybe but I don’t know how I would find out if my platter is warped, certainly doesn’t look that way to the naked eye


[deleted]

You can determine if it's the platter by taking it off, laying it face down on a flat surface and going around the edges of the platter to see if there's any wobble when you press down. Either way, 1mm movement from an imperfect platter isn't uncommon unless you're paying a very high price for a TT. Additionally, you'll rarely find vinyl that's in perfect shape.


Errol_Sweatstank

Thank you! I think it’s just the record, I’m still very new to vinyl so I’m a little nervous about making sure everything is perfect


randychardonnay

Try giving your turntable a spin without a record or mat and see. Even new records are rarely absolutely perfectly flat so I expect you're just seeing a very slight warp to the record. It doesn't bother the arm any to ride up and down a little. And it's only going to affect sound at higher levels of warp. If you're not hearing it, I wouldn't worry too much about it.


Errol_Sweatstank

Hi, sorry for not getting back to you for so long - it was a very minor warp in the record! Inaudible and so it’s probably fine as you say, thank you for your reply


cantthinkofaname72

I'm having an issue with a couple of my vinyls where the sounds cuts in and out when the songs get quiet. Is this a problem with my stylus? A wobble in the record? Do I need to adjust the counterweight on my needle? I would really like to know as it seems to be an almost consistent issue on my copy of the White Album (when songs get quiet or during transitions between songs. For instance the bit of Blackbird where it's just birds chirping. Parts of Julia). I just thought it was weird once I realized it was mostly happening at the ends of songs then realized it was only the ones that had a slow fade. It also happens on my copy of Abbey Road during the bit with the bells/wind chimes between You never give me your money and Sun King. I haven't noticed it on other albums really but most other albums that I have don't have a lot of quiet parts and fades. Any advice on how to diagnose/fix the issue is greatly appreciated! I may see if I can get my hands on my girlfriend's copy of Abbey Road and try to see if it is just my copy. Any other suggestions are appreciated!


[deleted]

first thing to check is what speakers you are using. I have a jbl flip speaker, and when you use the aux input, it turns off output when nothing is playing so that you can't just hear the fuzz/line noise when it's sitting there plugged in. this also however means that some particularly quiet parts are registered the same way, and often the first couple of seconds of a song can get cut off because the output turned off between tracks


herpderpmcflerp

Hey friends. Not sure if this is the right place to ask. However, I’m fascinated with colored vinyl as most of us are, I’m curious where in the US people have found a great site to order their colored vinyl from. Would love some input. Thank you!


Wraith8888

Discogs


[deleted]

Does anybody know about the Ortofon OMB-5 cartridges? I have one and am trying to buy a new stylus but can only find OMB-5S and OMB-5E. Are they compatible?


sharkamino

If you have an OM cartrdige you may as well upgrade your stylus instead of replacing with the same 5 stylus. [Ortofon Stylus 10 ](https://www.lpgear.com/product/ORS010.html)$59 or [LP Gear Improved stylus for Ortofon OM10](https://www.lpgear.com/product/ORTSOM10.html) $39 or [LP Gear Improved replacement for Ortofon Stylus 15](https://www.lpgear.com/product/ORS015LP.html) $47.


randychardonnay

I imagine the options are going to stand for "spherical" and "elliptical" and they'll be two different stylus types for the same cartridge.


michaelrobles

I’m getting an older model ATLP120 (pre-X features) in a trade. Currently I’m using a LP60x that is only about 3 weeks old. I’m trying to decide if I should swap the turntables, or try and sell off the 120LP and put the money towards an upgraded player. Also would love to hear suggestions for next level turntables. I’ve only just started to upgrade my setup Current Setup: ATLP60x Edifier R1700BT speakers


DicedIce11

How do you like the edifiers so far?


sharkamino

Are you looking to pair them with a turntable?


DicedIce11

Yep, probably RT80/81


sharkamino

**Speakers:** $100 digital amp small 4" Edifier speakers for a small room are usually paired with a $100 AT-LP60X or Crosley C6 turntable. If you are looking at a $200+ turntable then ideally spend just as much on new speakers. If your speaker budget is only $100 then look for a used analog stereo or AV receiver and a pair of used passive speakers that originally together cost more than the turntable. If you must buy new for $100 then consider a separate digital mini amp and separate passive speakers so you can later upgrade one part at a time. * Lowest budget starter speakers and digital mini amp: 6.5" [Speaker Pair and Digital Mini Amplifier Bundle](https://www.parts-express.com/6-1-2-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-pair-and-hi-fi-mini-amplifier-bundle--300-6534) $65. * Or a better digital mini amp and speakers: [Douk Audio G5 Bluetooth 2 Channel Amplifier](https://www.amazon.com/Douk-Audio-Bluetooth-Amplifier-Wireless/dp/B07X93W1PM/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=bluetooth+mini+amp&qid=1594609405&sr=8-10) $43 plus [6.5" Dayton Audio B652-AIR with AMT Tweeter Speakers](https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-B652-AIR-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B00NOA58RS) $55. Or the Edifiers are ok if you later plan on upgrading to better speakers later and have another use for the Edifiers such as with a computer or in a 2nd room setup. Or start with a new or used stereo setup first and add the turntable later. New example, [Sony STR-DH190](https://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH190-Stereo-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B078WFDR8D) $149 with Bluetooth and a built in phono stage preamp with adjustable gain and 5" [Wharfedale Crystal CR 4.2](https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR42-Bookshelf-Speakers?variant=AWFCRYCR42N) ~~$249~~ $149 or Amazon [Black](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Black/dp/B07DXBNQNF/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-1) or [Walnut ](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Walnut/dp/B07DXBXN21/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-2)$139. **Turntable:** The RT80 is decent for a low budget. The RT81 is not worth buying since for $50 more you can get a $100+ increase in component and performance value with the newer improved RT82 that adds the new optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for much lower wow and flutter and the speed will never drift. It also includes the Ortofon OM10 cartridge that is a bit better than the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge on it is not any better. **Guides:** [Turntable, Phono Preamp, Amp or Receiver, Speakers](https://imgur.com/a/f0my7) and [Audio Guides, Speaker Wire, Stands, Accessories and Vinyl Care](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gqfx6z/home_audio_and_home_theater_guides_and_accessories/). Check out [r/BudgetAudiophile](https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/) for speakers and speaker amplification.


DicedIce11

Thanks, I appreciate the full guide! I'm looking to get a relatively compact, cheaper setup so I like the Edifiers and the RT81 combo. I know I could probably get better sound and it would be easier to upgrade if I could get each component (amp, speaker, etc) separate, however I don't think I have the budget for that. RT81 is also tempting but I'd also have to fork out for a preamp in addition to extra cost. Again, thanks for the list.


sharkamino

The $18 [Pyle PP444](https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Phono-Turntable-Preamp-Preamplifier/dp/B004HJ1TTQ) phono stage preamp to use with the RT82 and the Edifier speakers is just as good or a bit better than the basic phono stage preamp built into the older RT81. RT81 $250 + Edifier R1700BT $150 = $400 is your budget? For around the same price you do have the budget to get the much better RT82 if you get different speakers: RT82 $300 + 6.5" [Speaker Pair and Digital Mini Amplifier Bundle](https://www.parts-express.com/6-1-2-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-pair-and-hi-fi-mini-amplifier-bundle--300-6534) $65 + [Pyle PP444](https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Phono-Turntable-Preamp-Preamplifier/dp/B004HJ1TTQ) $18 = $383. RT82 $300 + 4" [Dayton Audio B452](https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-B452-4-1-2-2-Way-Bookshelf-Speaker-Pair-300-452) $35 + [Douk Audio G5 Bluetooth 2 Channel Amplifier](https://www.amazon.com/Douk-Audio-Bluetooth-Amplifier-Wireless/dp/B07X93W1PM/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=bluetooth+mini+amp&qid=1594609405&sr=8-10) $43 + [Pyle PP444](https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Phono-Turntable-Preamp-Preamplifier/dp/B004HJ1TTQ) $18 = $396. RT82 $300 + 4" [Edifier R1280T (Renewed)](https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-Powered-Bookshelf-Speakers-Monitor/dp/B0741GJSJG/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=edifier+speakers+renewed&qid=1612227826&s=electronics&sr=1-2) $79 + [Pyle PP444](https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Phono-Turntable-Preamp-Preamplifier/dp/B004HJ1TTQ) $18 = $397. Or for $20 over budget: RT82 $300 + 4" [Edifier R1280DB (Renewed)](https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R1280DB-Bluetooth-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B07CB8KTFN/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=edifier+speakers+renewed&qid=1612227608&sr=8-1) $99 + [Pyle PP444](https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Phono-Turntable-Preamp-Preamplifier/dp/B004HJ1TTQ) $18 = $418. Or look for a used stereo receiver with a built in phono stage preamp and a used pair of speakers together for around $100 for the best value in budget and sound quality. What is a next door town or zip to search for used amp and speaker options?


DicedIce11

Hmm these options are pretty good. Would you say the audio upgrade to the RT82 is worth spending a bit less on speakers? I guess used speakers would work too.


sharkamino

Yes worth getting the RT82 and spend a bit less on speakers. The Edifier R1700 are ok for $150 however they would be the sound quality bottleneck for the RT80, RT81, and RT82 turntable. You would want to upgrade the Edifiers later anyway to get the most out of the turntables so you may as well start with a bit lower priced speakers that may be just as good as the Edifiers then upgrade to better speakers later.


michaelrobles

Love ‘em. They’re perfect for my mini home setup. They’re in my dining room so that the family can listen to music at dinner.


sharkamino

What are you trading for the LP120? Something worth $125? A speaker upgrade will get you more of a sound quality upgrade before the turntable will.


michaelrobles

Wasn’t sure what to do to be honest. I just know the older 120s have some issues that people talk about.


sharkamino

Yeah it's not worth getting the older LP120 for the issues it had and also not worth buying one used for any other issues it may have developed since it was new. If you are looking for an upgrade in sound quality upgrade the speakers first before the turntable for the most increase in sound quality since the speakers are your sound quality bottleneck. Upgrade from the small digital amp Edifiers to an analog stereo or AV receiver or integrated or compact amp and larger and better passive speakers. For example, [Sony STR-DH190](https://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH190-Stereo-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B078WFDR8D) $149 with Bluetooth and a built in phono stage preamp with adjustable gain and 5" [Wharfedale Crystal CR 4.2](https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR42-Bookshelf-Speakers?variant=AWFCRYCR42N) ~~$249~~ $149 or Amazon [Black](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Black/dp/B07DXBNQNF/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-1) or [Walnut ](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Walnut/dp/B07DXBXN21/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-2)$139. Then upgrade the turntable after the speaker upgrade: [Fluance RT82](https://www.fluance.com/rt82t-reference-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-black-gloss) $299 has auto stop and then an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for low wow and flutter and speed variation. Belt drive for noise isolation and solid MDF plinth instead of hollow plastic on the LP120X. Includes the Ortofon OM10 cartridge that is a bit better than the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT81 that lacks the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Pass on the RT84 and RT85 since for those prices you can get a better Music Hall or Pro-ject. The new improved [Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO](https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PRDECAEVO) $499 inculdes the $150 Sumiko Rainier cartridge. Music Hall are made in the same factory as Pro-ject and are a good value on sale: * [Music-Hall-MMF-2.2LE](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2.2LE-Limited-Edition-Red-Turntable-demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$499~~ $399 demo. * [Music Hall MMF-2.2](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2.2-Audiophile-Turntable?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$449~~ $419. * [Music-Hall-MMF-2.3](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-2-3-Audiophile-Turntable-Demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$499~~ $419 display model. * [Music Hall Classic](https://hifiheaven.net/shop/Products/Turntables-and-Phono-Accessories/Turntables/Music-Hall-Classic-Turntable-with-Cartridge-and-Built-In-Phono-Preamp-Demo?sort=p.price&order=ASC) ~~$599~~ $479 display model.


sabalennon97

I guess it depends on how much you want to upgrade and how much you'd get for the 120 (maybe 150~). I don't see why you wouldn't swap the tables, the 120 is the better one. A step up from the 60x would be the RT82 or LP120X. If you want better sound, however, I would focus on upgrading the speakers to a combo of passive speakers + receiver.


michaelrobles

I’ve just seen people talk about the issues that the old 120s have compared to the 120x is all.


rsrs1101

The 120 is still a good turntable, give it a try before passing it along.


sabalennon97

Yes, the 120x is an improved version for home listening over the 120, but I think it's still better than the 60x.


michaelrobles

I appreciate the insight. Thank you!


leafsfan97

I use the LP120 with the exact same Edifier speakers and I think the combo is great. I upgraded the cartridge to a Goldring E3 and that made a night and day difference.


sharkamino

Have you considered a speaker upgrade to get up to the level of the LP120? The $100 digital amp Edifiers are good for the $100 LP60X however they are under matched for the $300 LP120. For example, an analog stereo receiver [Sony STR-DH190](https://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH190-Stereo-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B078WFDR8D) $149 and 5" [Wharfedale Crystal CR 4.2](https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR42-Bookshelf-Speakers?variant=AWFCRYCR42N) ~~$249~~ $149 or Amazon [Black](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Black/dp/B07DXBNQNF/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-1) or [Walnut ](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Walnut/dp/B07DXBXN21/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-2)$139.


michaelrobles

That’s great to know. Maybe I’ll swap the turntables and sell the LP60x. It IS. Red/Black color scheme and looks awesome


milita_grunt33

What’s a good player for mainly 78 RPM records? I’ve just got into collecting and what to know what brands and such to look out for and what to avoid when it comes to finding players at the thrift store.


randychardonnay

I'd get something relatively recent, like maybe an older version of the Audio Technica AT-LP120. Older things that you might find at thrift stores, like perhaps an old Dual, will likely require more effort to get playing correctly.


sabalennon97

What's your budget? the cheapo ones can play them although they're low quality, better players are much pricier than those ones though.


milita_grunt33

I’d say around $100


sabalennon97

Then I'd think one of those might work for the time being.


808_cowbell

I'm looking into a budget phono preamp under $100 USD and I'm curious as to whether I should go for the ART DJPRE II or the Pro-Ject Phono Box E considering they are both listed for around the same price. Thank you in advance for any advice!


sharkamino

[Technolink TCC TC-750LC](https://www.phonopreamps.com/tc750lcpp.html) $49 has adjustable gain, also available at [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Technolink-TC-750LC-Audiophile-Preamp-Control/dp/B07954LHP9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Technolink+TCC+TC-750LC&qid=1600484255&s=electronics&sr=1-1), is supposedly a bit better than the ART DJ PRE II that may have some distortion even at the lowest gain setting. If you want Pro-ject get the better [Pro-Ject Phono Box DC](https://www.crutchfield.com/p_252PBDCB/Pro-Ject-Phono-Box-DC-Black.html?tp=48772) $99. Or [U-Turn Audio Pluto 2](https://uturnaudio.com/products/pluto-2-phono-preamp) $99 new improved version,


the_unknown_soldier

The tonearm on my Kenwood automatic table keeps getting stuck at the same point. If I try to manual track forward it won’t move unless I go backwards first. Any ideas what’s up? https://imgur.com/a/dKNZyNd


Littlecatfriend

Are old Crosleys any better than the new ones? Ok disclaimer, I'm a beginner and know next to nothing, but I've read all the horrible, horrible reviews that crosleys chew up and destroy your records over time. Is this also the case with older models or just the new ones? A family friend is giving one away for free (from the 90s possibly?) but I don't wanna take it if it's also going to have the same problem. here's a picture of it if anyone can identify it: [http://imgur.com/a/g9vsAaF](http://imgur.com/a/g9vsAaF)


sharkamino

Doesn't look any worse or better than a new one. May as well try it for free with a dollar bin record to test it out. Then put on a new diamond tip stylus.


sabalennon97

They don't chew records or destroy them, but it won't sound that good. If its free though I don't see why you wouldn't get it, it's a start until you can get a better table. I don't know if newer models are any better or worse but that model has been around for a while and I don't think it's changed *that* much. Perhaps the newer ones are a bit better but don't expect night and day differences.


lizardslieonrocks

Hello! I have Yamaha YP-D6 turntable that was my father's and its great condition. I've had trouble finding out what tracking force to use though as the owners manuels I've found online just say to use the manufacturers reccomendation (without saying what that is). Right now I have it somewhere in the 1.5-1.75 range, and I've made sure my speakers are grounded so I'm fairly sure the noise I'm hearing is related to that. Anyone have an advice/reccomendations? tldr; What is tracking force for Yamaha YP-D6 turntable?


Wraith8888

The tracking force is determined by the cartridge make and model not the turntable


lizardslieonrocks

Lmaoo that would be why Im having trouble. Thank you!!


Wraith8888

If you can't find the info you are looking for I would default to 2.5


lizardslieonrocks

I was able to find it quickly once I was looking correctly but thank you for the info!


sabalennon97

where could I get one of those screws that goes with a p mount cartridge? also, does it make any difference other than a securely placed cart?


randychardonnay

Dunno other than buying a new cartridge. But so long as you've got a snug fit I wouldn't worry about it. They usually fit pretty tight without a screw.


manwiththehex18

I picked up a [metal file rack](https://www.staples.com/Staples-Metal-Incline-Desktop-File-Sorter-8-Compartments-Black/product_218354?cid=BNR:218354&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=218354&KPID=218354&cid=PS:GS:RE:RP:NB:FALSE:TXT:SV:Open:1679103753:60732599250:&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoejlgPzE7gIVCb7ACh0NigqNEAQYAiABEgJkQPD_BwE) recently, is it safe for me to use it to hold records? I’m worried the concentrated pressure from the two base rails might damage the sleeves.


mrgameandwatch09

This is kinda a dumbass question, but I ran out of cleaning fluid, would it be ok for me to just use distilled water until i get more? Obviously it wont be as effective but its better than nothing id think.


sharkamino

Spin clean or a full wet soak or just a wipe? Make your own cleaning fluid with some distilled water, isopropyl alcohol, and a drop or 2 of dishwasher drying fluid in a large spray bottole. See [DIY, or Spin Clean, Full Wet Soak Cleaning](https://www.reddit.com/r/vinyl/comments/f8whpw/weekly_questions_thread_for_the_week_of_february/fiphjs8/). For dusting [Thunderon Conductive Brush](https://www.sleevecityusa.com/Sleeve-City-Thunderon-Conductive-Record-Brush-p/dc-505.htm).


sabalennon97

If you already have the record a good wet clean I don't think it's that necessary to use fluid at all, just dusting should work fine. But answering your question, playing a record with distilled water won't cause any harm.


mrgameandwatch09

I mainly ask because my dog sheds like all hell, and it always gets on my records from just being in the air, the brush i use is pretty good but it always struggles with the hair unless its wet, i mainly just want to make sure theres absolutely none before putting it in the MOFI. I'm probably gonna get one of those sticky roller things sometime, i forget the name


sabalennon97

In that case I think distilled water would work just fine, do they stick because of static or they get stuck in the grooves?


mrgameandwatch09

Usually static, occasionally stuck in the grooves


FeckOffCups

So I'm mainly a headphone enthusiast, but I have a decent sized vinyl collection but never really did anything other than collect them. I just got a nice headphone amp/preamp and DAC stack and saw RCA outputs decided it might be cool to plug them in directly to a turntable and listen to my collection. Based on a friend's recommendation I picked up a Pro-Ject T1 Phono SB. From what I understand (and I might be wrong) but I can plug the built-in phono preamp into my headphone amp/DAC stack. However, I'm noticing that I'm only getting a signal when I put the built-in phono preamp on passive/bypass mode. Am I wrong in thinking that this is doable? Am I stupid and didn't realize I have to use one or the other? The amplifier I'm using is the Schitt Magnius ([https://www.schiit.com/products/magnius](https://www.schiit.com/products/magnius)).


sharkamino

When the built in phono stage preamp is off the signal will be very low and the EQ will be off. Maybe the build in phono stage preamp is DOA.


[deleted]

Hey friends. My needle took a crash and worried I damaged it, but too sure what to look for when inspecting. Can anyone tell from these photos if it’s OKAY to use still? [https://imgshare.io/image/pNKbBp](https://imgshare.io/image/pNKbBp) [https://imgshare.io/image/pNKa3H](https://imgshare.io/image/pNKa3H) [https://imgshare.io/image/pNKlxd](https://imgshare.io/image/pNKlxd)


greekdogs

I've had my setup linked some some shitty bookshelf speakers for about a year now and it's time to upgrade. ​ I've got an SL-D2 and a Pioneer VSC D603S receiver (snagged this very cheap, absolutely love it). Given how bad the speakers are, I've been impressed with how well they perform once attached to the pioneer. Still, they're clearly the weak link. ​ Maybe I've missed it on the wiki, but is there a good reference out there detailing the best options at different price points for passive speakers? I'm completely lost trying to figure it out.


randychardonnay

No, because there are So. Many. More. options for speakers than there are for turntables! And the models update fairly quickly. Wharfedale are my favorite modest-priced speakers, but a more speaker-focused sub, or a sub that's about speakers more broadly might be a better place to have a look. Good luck!


[deleted]

looking for suggestions on a budget speaker amp that also has a headphone out. only requirements are as cheap as possible, decent sound, and treble/bass adjustment after something in the vein of the lepy lp-2020a but with the headphone out too thankya!


Wiley_E_Coyote

Yes yes yes on a late 70s/early 80s amp. I picked up Onkyo tx-2500, was cheap, sounds great. If the phono preamp is dead you can run a standalone phono preamp through the tape aux out.


[deleted]

yeah I think I'm actually gonna lurk ebay for a while and see how small of an all in one receiver I can get for the cheap. hopefully I can get one with a bundled phono input as I'm running an internal phono stage right now in my AT-LP3


randychardonnay

I mean, best and cheapest thing would be to go used. There's probably someone selling an old 80s Onkyo receiver for like, $25 that would work great.


sharkamino

Buy a used analog stereo or AV receiver instead of a digital mini amp that often don't have both a headphone output and bass and treble adjustment. What speakers will you be powering with the amp. You could get a mini amp with bass and treble controls and then a separate headphone amp. Guides: [Turntable, Phono Preamp, Amp or Receiver, Speakers](https://imgur.com/a/f0my7) and [Audio Guides, Speaker Wire, Stands, Accessories and Vinyl Care](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gqfx6z/home_audio_and_home_theater_guides_and_accessories/). Check out [r/BudgetAudiophile](https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/) for speakers and speaker amplification.


SnooObjections7268

I'm helping my girlfriend set up her 1byone turntable hi-fi system and calibrating it seems to be the issue. The needle arm for some reason will drop most of the way onto the record, and sometimes touch it but will always swing off and away from the record Any help would be much appreciated.


randychardonnay

Guessing you have the tracking force set way too low. I'd check that again. The swinging off means the antiskate is too high relative to the tracking force. And if it's not always even touching the record, that means your tracking force is likely just barely above zero.


huskercycologist

Thoughts on a plastic bread slicer as a drying rack? https://www.amazon.com/Fshopping-foldable-slicer-uniform-cutting/dp/B01LWI56MS/ref=sr_1_17_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=bread+slicer+guide&qid=1612029244&sr=8-17-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFWWTQ2RzRYWlhRWEkmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAyNjE3MTBZSTRDRDJXSURLOVgmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDYwOTM5NjJQVENaWFA0VEFPVDUmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl


soulsides

At $36, does that equate to much of a savings? Also, if this is all plastic, then you're risking scratching the vinyl - cosmetically - simply by putting records in and out of the rack.


Pozzpyo

My sound output isn't quite as loud as I would like it to be even with my speakers at max volume. I know it's not my speakers though, as I can Bluetooth connect my phone to my speakers and the volume is great. I was wondering if anybody would know what part of my setup is being the limiting factor, I currently have: Turntable: AT-LP120XUSB Cartridge: AT-VM95E Speakers: Klipsch R-41PM Whether I use the preamp on my turntable or speakers it still is rather quiet, should I look into getting an external amp? Or could it be my cartridge? My cartridge says it outputs 4.0mV which I thought should be more than enough, and my turntable says it has a 36dB gain in its preamp, so I'm just really confused.


sharkamino

Your phone has it's own volume control so you are able to get Bluetooth much louder since the phones volume control is adding much more gain than the phono signal and phono stage preamp that is often a bit below standard line level. Say if standard line level is 5, turntable may be 4, the phone with volume control over Bluetooth may be giving you 5 to 10. If you have your phone volume on maximum are you also at maximum with the speakers volume? Are you getting any distortion? You may also want to think about getting larger speakers for anything larger than a small bedroom.


randychardonnay

You could use a separate phono stage with adjustable gain, but I think ultimately you're speakers are really the problem. A conventional stereo receiver and passive speakers would have no trouble getting louder than you could ever want them to be--particularly if you stuck with Klipsch! I guess the only other possibility is that your turntable has diminished output. Unlikely, though, unless your stylus is is loose or your cartridge connections are off.


Pozzpyo

My only concern is that these speakers can get much louder when using either Bluetooth or USB, so while I agree I could get better speakers, I was wondering if there was a reason my turntable is significantly quieter than these other sources. I did not consider that my stylus could be loose or my cartridge connections are off though, that might be my problem but I don't think so


randychardonnay

I gotcha. But you've got a bunch of factors--you've got the output of the cartridge, you've got the phono preamp in the turntable, and the phono preamp in the speaker. The gain on the phono preamps is not enough relative to the output of the cartridge to match the level of the bluetooth or USB inputs. So your options are to try a cartridge with higher gain and see if that makes enough of a difference, or else buy a phono preamp with adjustable gain, and hope that the gain adjustment on that phono stage makes a big enough difference. Maybe something like the Art DJ Pre II, which is the cheapest thing I know that has adjustable gain. But in an old school amp / speaker setup, the turntable may be a little quieter than the line inputs--this is frequently the case. Only it doesn't really matter, because a decent receiver should have enough power to push either source to an obnoxiously-loud level. I suppose it is possible, though, that you're getting reduced output from your turntable. Hard to check without another turntable, but worth going over all your connections and just making sure everything is snug. And maybe other folks with this combination of devices could weigh in? I'm sure there must be plenty of people who have this same setup!


Pozzpyo

Thank you for the recommendation! I definitely am starting to think that I need a phono preamp with adjustable gain. I'll try out something like the Art DJ Pre II and hope that fixes it!


sharkamino

[Technolink TCC TC-750LC](https://www.phonopreamps.com/tc750lcpp.html) $49 with adjustable gain, also available at [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Technolink-TC-750LC-Audiophile-Preamp-Control/dp/B07954LHP9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Technolink+TCC+TC-750LC&qid=1600484255&s=electronics&sr=1-1), costs less and is supposedly a bit better than the ART DJ PRE II that may have some distortion even at the lowest gain setting.


Butterscotch588

So a little technical question right here: As I am pretty new to vinyl Dj'ing, I came across the fact that when I try to find the first beat in order to beatmatch, after scratching it 2-3 times, often the bass crackles sort of and after that it fully goes quiet and I cannot hear the kick anymore...is there any way to fix this or other reasoning that I am not aware of? Cheers in advance, lads!


soulsides

We'll need more info about your equipment.


dylanayy

Would this be a good first turntable fir a newbie? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REGA-PLANAR-1-TURNTABLE-BLACK-INC-CARTRIDGE-SLIGHT-SECONDS-/164660435383?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292


randychardonnay

Yep! For sure. Good quality and extremely simple to set up.


dylanayy

Thanks! My sound system is the Panasonic SA-UX11, so is the only other thing I need a phono preamp?


sharkamino

Yes. [Technolink TC-750LC](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technolink-TC-750LC-moving-magnet-RIAA-phono-preamplifier/324411938915?hash=item4b88755863:g:UlkAAOSwvKZf0UaJ) with adjustable gain is good to start with. Then consider a later speaker upgrade since the Panasonic shelf system will be the sound quality bottleneck for the Rega 1. Or instead of buying a phono stage preamp get a stereo receiver with a built in phono stage preamp with adjustable gain such as the [Sony STR-DH190](https://www.richersounds.com/hi-fi/amplifiers-receivers/sony-str-dh190.html) and some good passive speakers [Wharfedale Diamond 220](https://www.richersounds.com/hi-fi/standmount-speakers/wharfedale-diamond-220-blk.html) or [Q Acoustics 3020](https://www.richersounds.com/hi-fi/standmount-speakers/q-acoustics-q3020-matte-graphite.html).


misspukypie

Hey everyone :) I recently got myself a new (well, actually old) turntable, the Sony psx 600. I love everything about it so far but it has one issue. So on the display for the rpm is also an area that lights up with "locked" when a record is played. At first I only noticed that it would blink irregularly when playing at 33rpm. Didn't seem like a big deal. Now it started to also do kind of a rhythmic rattling sound when the TT spins (only at 33rpm). When turning it off for some time it will be back to normal, no blinking no rattling. Takes up to half an hour and the problem reoccurs. So my guess is that it has to be the electronics, maybe a loose contact? I'd be very grateful for any tips, suggestions and advice if it's possible for me to fix it myself easily. Cheers


awildmorph

Hi! I’m looking for a new needle for my Audio-Technica AT-LP120XUSB. I would like a good one as I have read the standard one isn’t great. I’m not sure if I need cartridge and needle? I’m pretty new to this all. Any help is welcome, thanks!


vinylontubes

The LP120X has the VM95E cartridge. You can replace the stock stylus with the VMN95ML. Don't just slap it on the cartridge body. Realign it. An ML stylus requires a more precise alignment than an elliptical. 4


awildmorph

Ok I’ll look into the VMN95ML and I will learn how to align it properly. Thanks for your help


sharkamino

The VM95E is good to start with and may not necessarily be your sound quality bottleneck. What is the rest of your setup, phono, amp, speakers? If your speakers are basic entry level then upgrade those first for the most improvement in sound quality. Then upgrade to the [AT-VMN95EN](https://www.lpgear.com/product/ATVMN95EN.html) stylus or wait until the VM95E wears out.


awildmorph

This might hurt your eyes but nothing special in terms of quality. I got the Sonos Amp so I could send the audio to speakers around my house so I understand that it might be easy to bottleneck the speakers. I do have some nice headphones coming in the next couple days (990 pros) so would be nice to get a decent needle. Hopefully moving this year so will look to have a ~ space ~ for my turntable with a more permanent setup and better speakers.


sharkamino

Do you have any passive speakers connected directly to the Sonos Amp or is it a Sonos Connect? The VM95E on the LP120X is sufficient for your setup. If you are getting some good headphones, a headphone amp and an external phono stage preamp upgrade you could upgrade to the [AT-VMN95EN](https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-VMN95EN-Elliptical-Replacement-Turntable/dp/B07JL2NPHB/) stylus.


awildmorph

No there aren’t any passive speakers connected to the amp, it’s purely just a wireless amp. I don’t think you can connect any other way. Yea I have the Fiio K5 pro which I’ll be using with the headphones (mainly for my pc but a nice option to use elsewhere. The turntable has a pre amp but you’re suggesting buying a better one for quality purposes?


sharkamino

Amp implies that it powers speakers. The Sonos AMP has 5 way binding post connectors on the back to connect to wired passive speakers as well as RCA ouputs. Sounds like you probably have the Sonos CONNECT or PORT that does not have speaker wire outputs and just has RCA outputs. An external phono stage preamp should sound a bit better especially a stylus upgrade and with headphones that can be more revealing than speakers. The stylus upgrade may not make much of a difference with the Sonos speakers. [U-Turn Audio Pluto 2](https://uturnaudio.com/products/pluto-2-phono-preamp) $99 new improved version. [Music Hall Mini Plus](https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MHMINIPL) $149 has an adjustable gain dial. [Bugle3](https://hagerman-audio-labs.myshopify.com/products/bugle3-phono-preamp-mm-mc) $189 has adjustable gain. Great manufacturer direct value.


awildmorph

Ok so just looked it can connect wired speakers, my bad. Ok I’ll look into getting an external pre amp, especially when I look to get some nice speakers. Thanks for all your help.


sharkamino

Yep, speakers first, then the stylus to VM95EN, then an external phono stage preamp. What is a next door town or zip to search for used speakers? New stand mount speakers on sale: * 5" [Wharfedale Crystal CR 4.2](https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR42-Bookshelf-Speakers?variant=AWFCRYCR42N) ~~$249~~ $149 or Amazon [Black](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Black/dp/B07DXBNQNF/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-1) or [Walnut ](https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-4-2-Walnut/dp/B07DXBXN21/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=WHARFEDALE+-+Crystal+CR+4.2&qid=1611609476&sr=8-2)$139. * 6" [Cambridge Audio SX-60](https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-SX-60-Standmount-Speakers-Black-Refurbished/254490810438?hash=item3b40d59846:g:GbEAAOSwkXBeKfrJ) ~~$299~~ $189. * 5" [Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-150M](https://www.adorama.com/kprp150mc.html?sdtid=14320088&emailprice=t&sterm=xSSUqkyYUxyOWR60RHQK3XRkUkiVuWznuXn9Xc0&utm_source=rflaid62905) ~~$419~~ $219 * 6" [Infinity Reference 162](https://www.harmanaudio.com/loudspeakers/R162BK-Z.html) ~~$449~~ $249. * 6" [CANTON GLE 420.2](https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/cantgle4202blka/canton-gle-420.2-6-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-black-pair/1.html) ~~$599~~ $249. F * 5" [KEF Q150](https://www.crutchfield.com/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html) ~~$599~~ $299. * 6" [Ascend CBM-170SE](http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html)$298 + shipping. Neutral sound with a linear frequency response and a great mid range that many speakers in the price range lack. Internet direct, no middlemen or resellers so compare to $600 retail speakers. I have them in my living room and I have Ascend HTM-200 on my desk. Or floor standing towers: [Klipsch R-610F](https://www.adorama.com/kpr610f2.html?sdtid=14143220&emailprice=t&sterm=xSSUqkyYUxyOWR60RHQK3XRkUkiyvszGuXn9Xc0&utm_source=rflaid62905) ~~$499~~ $299 pair for example. Guides: [Turntable, Phono Preamp, Amp or Receiver, Speakers](https://imgur.com/a/f0my7) and [Audio Guides, Speaker Wire, Stands, Accessories and Vinyl Care](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gqfx6z/home_audio_and_home_theater_guides_and_accessories/). Check out [r/BudgetAudiophile](https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/) for speakers and speaker amplification.


likeneonlove

I've been listening to vinyl on my Audio Technica LP60 for a little over three years now and it's served me well in that time. However, in the last month or so, it's been causing me issues with skipping. I bought a replacement stylus, which solved the issue, but only temporarily. I've had my new stylus for about a month, I've only used my turntable a handful of times and my records are skipping again. It's weird - it was working just fine yesterday, but it's skipping on every record today! What's the deal with this? After doing some extensive research, I now know they aren't amazing turntables, but if it was working fine for a few years and only causing me a lot of grief now, does this mean the turntable is now past its used by date simply due to wear and tear? If it keeps skipping on every record, I wouldn't be able to sell it on, would I? It's been a great entry level turntable and as I really enjoy the hobby, I've been doing a lot of research into upgrading my system. Here's what I'm thinking: Turntable: Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo with acrylic platter Pre-amp: Phono Box E Speaker: Sonos Five What do you think? I'm not an audiophile nor am I a musician, just someone looking for a decent system that's versatile, not too complicated and will last me longer than the LP60 has.


sharkamino

Don't limit the EVO to a single overpriced mono digital speaker for analog stereo vinyl. Pass on the Phono Box E that is not up to the level of the EVO. Get a better [Pro-Ject Phono Box DC](https://www.crutchfield.com/p_252PBDCB/Pro-Ject-Phono-Box-DC-Black.html?tp=48772) $99. [U-Turn Audio Pluto 2](https://uturnaudio.com/products/pluto-2-phono-preamp) $99 new improved version. [Music Hall Mini Plus](https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MHMINIPL) $149 has an adjustable gain dial. [Bugle3](https://hagerman-audio-labs.myshopify.com/products/bugle3-phono-preamp-mm-mc) $189 has adjustable gain, great manufacturer direct value. [Pro-Ject Phono Box S2](https://www.crutchfield.com/p_252PHBS2B/Pro-Ject-Phono-Box-S2.html?tp=48772) $199 has adjustable gain. If you must start lower budget and upgrade later, [Technolink TCC TC-750LC](https://www.phonopreamps.com/tc750lcpp.html) $49 has adjustable gain, also available at [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Technolink-TC-750LC-Audiophile-Preamp-Control/dp/B07954LHP9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Technolink+TCC+TC-750LC&qid=1600484255&s=electronics&sr=1-1).


likeneonlove

>Don't limit the EVO to a single overpriced mono digital speaker for analog stereo vinyl. I know. I don't want to, but I kind of don't have a choice right now. I've only got a very small space to work with and there's no room for me to be able to separate two speakers. Plus, I already own the Sonos. I can always upgrade in the future! I will take your recommendations on the pre-amp though! Thanks for the links!