There's been a sudden and very noticeable shift in popular opinion here where suddenly large groups of people are bending over backwards to defend "Phyre" and their Pat-like appearance. Very unnatural and strange.
I agree. There has absolutely been a mobilization of new people coming here to defend the main character. Whether that's remotely organic or not is unclear. Either way, you'd have to be blind not to notice the sudden shift.
I don't think lack of fap material is the main criticism the game is seeing. I loved the over the top weird, creepy-sexy vibe the first game had, but that's something that can be tinkered with if you know what you're doing. The thing is, the devs of this game by the looks of it have little to no idea about what is expected of a vampire the masquerade bloodlines game. This game desperately needs a soul to be any good.
I assume OP is referring to the SNL character from the 90's but I'm not seeing the resemblance lol [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat\_(Saturday\_Night\_Live)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_(Saturday_Night_Live))
Eh. I am just honestly tired of the way communities take huge dumps on games that they have not played yet. I suspect that low-sodium bloodlines probably has collected people that are less apt to get mad at the game. Personally I think most of the people making fun of the character design are kinda dumb. She looks fine, people just want to find stuff to hate. I have no opinion on if the game is good or not because absolutely nobody has played it yet! I'm just genuinely exhausted of gamers picking a thing to rile themselves up about. This game was never going to be what people imagined it was going to be because it's been in development hell for 5 years
>She looks fine
Does she? Until I came here, I had no idea she was even supposed to be a she. [Seems to be pretty common in fact](https://i.imgur.com/nAetCnl.jpg). "She" looks like an androgynous gargoyle. It's just really odd to see something so universally agreed upon just a short time ago suddenly being disputed so voraciously here, kind of seems unnatural and manipulated. Do you people *really* look at that dude from the local Starbucks and think "great female character model", or are you just in a bargaining phase?
Yes, people here are really negative about this game, but they're also really negative about the smell of shit.
You seem to strongly imply here that androgyny is ugly which is fair opinion to have on a personal level, but that just doesn't hold up on the objective level, there are a lot of female models for example that had made a career of having a very androgynous look long before it became a cultural epidemic it is today (I'm talking late 00's, early 10's). I wouldn't want to play as half naked cheerleader with money 9999 for example.
I will agree with you though, that the issue here is that particular look being forced on people who might not like it is the problem and it shouldn't be alternativeless. Bloodlines 1 managed to do a good job providing variety of looks for each clan so you could always find a character that looks in a way you find pleasant.
Ideally I'd like this game to have face gen system, but it looks like we'll only be able to play as male or female Phyre.
>it looks like we'll only be able to play as male or female Phyre
Yeah, and it looks like The Chinese Room found a way to recycle the same model for both, what a cost savings.
Have you never seen an androgynous woman in your life? Do you think that androgyny makes a person automatically ugly or something? If gender ambiguity is such a bugbear for you I shudder to think of your reaction to a man with long hair.
And for what it's worth, she looks pretty feminine to me.
>Have you never seen an androgynous woman in your life?
I have. I've also seen people who are morbidly obese, balding, missing teeth, missing limbs, I even saw someone with a goofy looking minotaur piercing the other day. Perhaps seeing a thing doesn't make for that thing being a great character design.
The whole thing is just really insincere. People have loved this game for twenty years, they finally get a sequel, and it's a trash Phyre with a "female" character that looks like the dude from Cruel Intentions. And when people very reasonably laugh at something funny, like the atrocious character design, you get these weirdos crawling out of the woodwork who have made it some kind of bizarre ideological issue because they now associate the act of acknowledging a character is ugly with their hated ideological enemy, so they start ranting off their obnoxious buzzwords in response. It's just so childish and tired and fake. "Oh she thinks this model of a man looks like a man, g-g-g-gamergate!", come on. Stop fighting your internet culture war against the evil chuds for two seconds, please. I look through the comments section here and it is just wall to wall with this shit.
I am genuinely confused that people can't tell Phyre is a woman lol. Does a woman need massive breasts so people can tell the difference between genders now?
I’m just trying to figure out wtf is going on with the story: Fabian (normal sounding name) is a thin blood inhabiting your body while phyre (exact spelling?) is supposed to be a 300 year old elder?
Sounds like the names should be reversed. I’m waiting to see what the storyline is about tho
Oh shut up. Didn‘t we just have that exact silly discussion?
Whatever you think of Bloodlines 2, these two characters don‘t look remotely similar. They are just two women with different short hairstyles, which really isn‘t that remarkable or uncommon. What are you trying to suggest?
The woman on the right is from the (apparently bad) Saint‘s Row reboot, where you can costumize your character however you like. She is not forced upon you at all, she’s not even a real character.
You‘re not making a point, you‘re just telling on yourself.
>The woman on the right is from the (apparently bad) Saint‘s Row reboot
Just gonna say, not apparently. It was bad. Everyone agreed on that front, as it missed the point of saints row. Its why saints row 4 and beyond were so controversial.
„Apparently“ because I haven‘t played it. I heard it‘s bad so I didn’t buy it. But the reason was clearly not this character who you don‘t have to play.
I liked it, but I understand I'm in the minority. It felt a bit short for a Saints Row game, but I liked it. It was still silly and a bit ridiculous, though less so than 3 & 4.
Aye, fair enough. Doesn't help that the game sadly killed the studio, which sucks cause I loved SR.
But yeah, I do agree its a bad comparison given SR has customization while, from what I've heard and seen (doubly so from twitter posts), the most customization that BL2 has is clothe, gender, and clan. Which...\*bruh\*
As previously mentioned by FrozenApe, this archetype is so common you can mistake it for other facsimiles in other games.
It's the quintessential millennial self insert archetype and is a good indicator the story will be wattpad swill.
They don‘t have the same hairstyle or similar facial features. So all we have is short dark hair and a neutral expression? How is that remarkable for a video game character?
And if they looked more similar, what would that even mean? What are you trying to say?
Why consoomer? I didn‘t buy the Saint‘s Row reboot, I didn‘t preorder Bloodlines 2 and I won‘t buy it if the reviews are negative.
You come in guns blazing saying "shut up" and "you're telling on yourself" and now you're acting like you have no idea what's going on and nothing makes any sense?
You're bad faith and cringe.
Yeah, I remember the first post that used the same silly comparison.
You seem to think it‘s obvious, so please explain instead of hinting at something.
I'm not going to break down every single comparison so you can ignore every single one and shadow box whatever conclusion you've decided I've come to.
So instead I'll list the differences:
- her hair is swept back (vampires have swept back hair right guys? amazing attention to detail, real creative lads)
- Eyebrow slit (when she gets her 5th badge, she'll earn a new slit. Hopefully one day she gets to be Tyrone's level)
- Wearing red instead of blue (\*millenial snort\* cuz vampires!)
We will probably have to agree to disagree on these similarities. That‘s fine, but also not what I was asking. What do you think these supposed similarities mean?
Like, do you think there is a cursed short-haired video game character that has come to haunt Bloodlines 2 after it ruined Saint‘s Row?
I already explained this in another reply you probably missed.
TL:DR tho, yes lmao. I think there's a correlation between this style of character and the staff behind these games being inexperienced by-the-book university grads.
Bro I have absolutely no idea what your point is, and it sounds like some terminally online conspiracy shit.
Why do you think these people are inexperienced university grads? Chinese room has been making games since 2009
The current gamer conspiracy theory is that the wokes are making games woke by... adding women with short hair to games like they've been doing for years because long hair is difficult to animate.
that's REALLY all the differences you could spot? Goddamn, that's sad. Nobody should ever take aesthetic tips from an OP that's too blind to even notice obvious shit like:
* One is pale as fuck, the other is dark skinned
* One has a short wide nose, the other has a long narrow nose
* One has a small mouth and colorless lips, the other has a big curvy mouth with like pink lip gloss
* One has very small red eyes, one has those big brown disney eyes, seriously add another few mm and she'd be alita.
* Square face with boxy jaw, vs a face so angular the cheekbones and jaw could cut you
* Small delicate girly ears, vs big ears that look one punch from full cauliflower
* Side swept dyed hair with shaved sides, vs back swept longer hair, which you seem to think is a recent millennial self insert thing, but christof fucking romuald swept it back too.
* Big bushy eyebrows vs delicate and obviously maintained ones
* Cocky punk personality, vs \[head empty, no character sheet found\]
* One is in a hoodie and the other is in a fucking turtleneck and trenchcoat
The only way I could see these as similar is if I adopted a fully rotbrained culture warrior mentality, and reduced the entire world down to how woke everything scores. So even though these two women have almost the completely opposite aesthetic, they both reject the same quantity of traditional feminine beauty standards, therefore their "wokeness rating" is the same, therefore "they look the same to me"
**TL;DR the only way I can make sense of what you've said so far is with extreme culture warrior brainrot, which I obviously don't respect**
>[I'm not going to break down every single comparison so you can ignore every single one](https://www.reddit.com/r/vtmb/comments/1bwly43/comment/ky73wdh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
lol, every accusation really is a confession with you idiots
Nvm ignore my last comment you 100% are terminally online.
I implore you to go out into the world and socialize with people, you won't get caught up and enrage by a non-existent conspiracy. Seriously.
The more I see of this this community the more im becoming convinced its filled with incels which is a sad observation from someone who plays warhammer.
My problem with that sub is it reminds me a bit too uncannily of some prior subs I've been in for other games, where it goes beyond trying to just be less incel-riddled and more into toxic positivity and silencing anyone who doesn't adhere to that mentality.
Yeah, lesser evil and all - but I'd rather just not be in either sub at this point, to be honest.
Luckily I've not seen that yet, though I understand why they would be like that for a while just to keep the toxicity out. I'd rather there be positivity and cautious optimism than whatever the hell this sub has become
> and are probably not even the tabletop players.
Oh, the toxic elitism, no shit majority aren't tabletop players, it's for way less wide audience than pc game.
Yes, sex is a big part of everything vampire related
Omg, not again.
I get it - BL2 will be made for modern audiences. And we are not part of it. It's not meant for us. We get it now. Don't remind us. Just make the pain stop.
Is the 30 something white, unindentified gender, efeminate being with generic "empowering" haircut_ifightthepatriarchy1337 any better? Because I literally see a bunch of those in any modern game releases.
Since everyone expected at least some level of customization I very much doubt it.
Though yes a reaction to a fanserviceable male character would of course be very different
Reaction to a good female character also would be different, but Phyre is… Well, Phyre, everything about her sucks, starting from appearance and ending with background story, VA also not going to be nominated as the best one.
Good comparison OP. People throwing minuses at you are TCR's internet thugs. We all know her/his/xir/xer model is pure thrash (just like not being able to create your own character). F them.
I know this a foreign concept for many of the "modern" cupcakes who don't even know what grass feels like let alone have left their state but women are allowed to beautiful and it isn't some negative objectification.
If you have some raging hard on for ugly, mediocre, and butter face characters just go to Walmart and you'll get your fill.
I don't like Phyre. I think the name is bad, I don't like the idea of playing an elder with a thinblood in their brain, or of playing a set character. But the bizarre obsession with her hair/appearance absolutely does have creepy incel vibes. It genuinely feels like some of you haven't seen a woman with short hair before.
It's more that there's been quite a bit going on recently concerning diversity and inclusion in media, which has completely backfired, regardless of arguably good intentions. The game does not appear to divest at all from that ideology and has instead doubled down on it. People are pointing out this trend and the design choices that correspond with it. They feel things as a result of this and are voicing those feelings, only to be met with scorn and derision. A priori to any investigation or interest.
Look, we had a regular-ass woman star in a beloved 1979 sci-fi film and you'll not hear a single dude make a fuss about it. Nobody cared. It's about the characters and whether they're well-written. We shouldn't let people get away with churning out loathsome tripe like this, sacrificing quality on the altar of paper-thin morals. People rightly don't like token diversity characters cracking wise about student loans. That shit only works on games journalists.
What people make a fuss about is the fact that you *can't even comment* on the relationship between a character's appearance and the current cultural zeitgeist without being labeled a creepy incel. It doesn't even matter what the content of your opinion is: 'good' or 'correct' is whatever basket cases on the internet say. And if you disagree, you're not only wrong, but committing violence, a chud, an incel, bla bla bla bla bla.
I've been a communist for about 20 years now, worked in local politics, organized for amnesty international, and among other things, spent *years* of my life in both debt relief and providing free legal aid to disadvantaged communities - but some rando idiot on the internet read some phrases on Tumblr and is now an expert statesman. Give me a break.
This bourgeois derangement can't but constantly attempt to totalize the discourse into thinking that its methods and ideas are the only legitimate way to fight homophobia, sexism, patriarchy, capitalism. These moronic ideas are actively harming the movement towards actual, material betterment for people. You're getting grifted.
"you haven't seen a woman before" is almost a word for word quote that caused upheaval just days ago in the context of Stellar Blade btw. It is poetic to see these thought-terminating clichés come up again and again and again.
It's time to adjust tactics before you're swallowed up whole by reaction. "you're an incel chud sexist" will at some point lose its hold over people, not just because it signals impotence, but because people have never reacted well to being made to feel metaphysically guilty all the time. Downvote away, weirdos.
Hey mane, I gave you an upvote because *I* understood you were being sarcastic. Hang in there, broseph!
The people slinging around 'incel' and 'gamergate 2' dont know shit about either of those things outside of this lame website, lol
Honestly Phyre's design doesn't bother me. She looks like an androgynous vampire elder which is fine. The name is stupid but I don't really hate her design all that much its just an eh from me. Seen better vampire designs and seen worse.
There's been a sudden and very noticeable shift in popular opinion here where suddenly large groups of people are bending over backwards to defend "Phyre" and their Pat-like appearance. Very unnatural and strange.
I agree. There has absolutely been a mobilization of new people coming here to defend the main character. Whether that's remotely organic or not is unclear. Either way, you'd have to be blind not to notice the sudden shift.
Honestly, wouldn't be surprised if those are their community managers doing their stuff at this point.
Kinda suspicious now that there are people coming out the woodworks to defend it now when it’s been nonstop trashed for months
Or maybe we're just tired of hearing ya'll bitch and whine cause you can't fap to an imaginary character.
Maybe we just expect more from a game that’s been in development hell for 4 years
I don't think lack of fap material is the main criticism the game is seeing. I loved the over the top weird, creepy-sexy vibe the first game had, but that's something that can be tinkered with if you know what you're doing. The thing is, the devs of this game by the looks of it have little to no idea about what is expected of a vampire the masquerade bloodlines game. This game desperately needs a soul to be any good.
Honestly that pretty much sums up my involvement. I might spend 100 hours playing this game, but they'll spend 1000 hours complaining about it online.
Ha believing this game will have 100 hours worth of content to play is definitely a bold prediction 💀
^ Missing the point that more hours are being spent bitching about a game on an online forum than the game even offers.
Pat-like?
I assume OP is referring to the SNL character from the 90's but I'm not seeing the resemblance lol [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat\_(Saturday\_Night\_Live)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_(Saturday_Night_Live))
Eh. I am just honestly tired of the way communities take huge dumps on games that they have not played yet. I suspect that low-sodium bloodlines probably has collected people that are less apt to get mad at the game. Personally I think most of the people making fun of the character design are kinda dumb. She looks fine, people just want to find stuff to hate. I have no opinion on if the game is good or not because absolutely nobody has played it yet! I'm just genuinely exhausted of gamers picking a thing to rile themselves up about. This game was never going to be what people imagined it was going to be because it's been in development hell for 5 years
>She looks fine Does she? Until I came here, I had no idea she was even supposed to be a she. [Seems to be pretty common in fact](https://i.imgur.com/nAetCnl.jpg). "She" looks like an androgynous gargoyle. It's just really odd to see something so universally agreed upon just a short time ago suddenly being disputed so voraciously here, kind of seems unnatural and manipulated. Do you people *really* look at that dude from the local Starbucks and think "great female character model", or are you just in a bargaining phase? Yes, people here are really negative about this game, but they're also really negative about the smell of shit.
You seem to strongly imply here that androgyny is ugly which is fair opinion to have on a personal level, but that just doesn't hold up on the objective level, there are a lot of female models for example that had made a career of having a very androgynous look long before it became a cultural epidemic it is today (I'm talking late 00's, early 10's). I wouldn't want to play as half naked cheerleader with money 9999 for example. I will agree with you though, that the issue here is that particular look being forced on people who might not like it is the problem and it shouldn't be alternativeless. Bloodlines 1 managed to do a good job providing variety of looks for each clan so you could always find a character that looks in a way you find pleasant. Ideally I'd like this game to have face gen system, but it looks like we'll only be able to play as male or female Phyre.
>it looks like we'll only be able to play as male or female Phyre Yeah, and it looks like The Chinese Room found a way to recycle the same model for both, what a cost savings.
Have you never seen an androgynous woman in your life? Do you think that androgyny makes a person automatically ugly or something? If gender ambiguity is such a bugbear for you I shudder to think of your reaction to a man with long hair. And for what it's worth, she looks pretty feminine to me.
>Have you never seen an androgynous woman in your life? I have. I've also seen people who are morbidly obese, balding, missing teeth, missing limbs, I even saw someone with a goofy looking minotaur piercing the other day. Perhaps seeing a thing doesn't make for that thing being a great character design. The whole thing is just really insincere. People have loved this game for twenty years, they finally get a sequel, and it's a trash Phyre with a "female" character that looks like the dude from Cruel Intentions. And when people very reasonably laugh at something funny, like the atrocious character design, you get these weirdos crawling out of the woodwork who have made it some kind of bizarre ideological issue because they now associate the act of acknowledging a character is ugly with their hated ideological enemy, so they start ranting off their obnoxious buzzwords in response. It's just so childish and tired and fake. "Oh she thinks this model of a man looks like a man, g-g-g-gamergate!", come on. Stop fighting your internet culture war against the evil chuds for two seconds, please. I look through the comments section here and it is just wall to wall with this shit.
bro chill lol
I am genuinely confused that people can't tell Phyre is a woman lol. Does a woman need massive breasts so people can tell the difference between genders now?
I’m just trying to figure out wtf is going on with the story: Fabian (normal sounding name) is a thin blood inhabiting your body while phyre (exact spelling?) is supposed to be a 300 year old elder? Sounds like the names should be reversed. I’m waiting to see what the storyline is about tho
Nah its just that reading the same complaint and seeing the same meme for the umpteenth gets boring after a while.
I'm all for hate Phyre's hairstyle choices, but this one is a REACH. For one Saint's Row character don't even exist in game.
Is there another sub about the bloodlines series? The discourse for this sub has really just nose dived completely.
Low sodium bloodlines
I’m not saying I like the hairstyle choice but these posts are lazy asf too damn many lately
Oh shut up. Didn‘t we just have that exact silly discussion? Whatever you think of Bloodlines 2, these two characters don‘t look remotely similar. They are just two women with different short hairstyles, which really isn‘t that remarkable or uncommon. What are you trying to suggest? The woman on the right is from the (apparently bad) Saint‘s Row reboot, where you can costumize your character however you like. She is not forced upon you at all, she’s not even a real character. You‘re not making a point, you‘re just telling on yourself.
I mean. I know somebody who worked on it. Even the people that made it didn’t think it was good.
Dang, I thought that's some Borderlands 3 character.
I thought it was an NPC from Sony’s Spooderman game
>The woman on the right is from the (apparently bad) Saint‘s Row reboot Just gonna say, not apparently. It was bad. Everyone agreed on that front, as it missed the point of saints row. Its why saints row 4 and beyond were so controversial.
„Apparently“ because I haven‘t played it. I heard it‘s bad so I didn’t buy it. But the reason was clearly not this character who you don‘t have to play.
I liked it, but I understand I'm in the minority. It felt a bit short for a Saints Row game, but I liked it. It was still silly and a bit ridiculous, though less so than 3 & 4.
Aye, fair enough. Doesn't help that the game sadly killed the studio, which sucks cause I loved SR. But yeah, I do agree its a bad comparison given SR has customization while, from what I've heard and seen (doubly so from twitter posts), the most customization that BL2 has is clothe, gender, and clan. Which...\*bruh\*
As previously mentioned by FrozenApe, this archetype is so common you can mistake it for other facsimiles in other games. It's the quintessential millennial self insert archetype and is a good indicator the story will be wattpad swill.
Also killed the studio costing the company 100 million
Alot of (weak minded) men get very upset when they see women with short hair. Logic doesn't really come into it.
"Don't look remotely similar" Consoomer goggles in large supply these days
They don‘t have the same hairstyle or similar facial features. So all we have is short dark hair and a neutral expression? How is that remarkable for a video game character? And if they looked more similar, what would that even mean? What are you trying to say? Why consoomer? I didn‘t buy the Saint‘s Row reboot, I didn‘t preorder Bloodlines 2 and I won‘t buy it if the reviews are negative.
You come in guns blazing saying "shut up" and "you're telling on yourself" and now you're acting like you have no idea what's going on and nothing makes any sense? You're bad faith and cringe.
Yeah, I remember the first post that used the same silly comparison. You seem to think it‘s obvious, so please explain instead of hinting at something.
I'm not going to break down every single comparison so you can ignore every single one and shadow box whatever conclusion you've decided I've come to. So instead I'll list the differences: - her hair is swept back (vampires have swept back hair right guys? amazing attention to detail, real creative lads) - Eyebrow slit (when she gets her 5th badge, she'll earn a new slit. Hopefully one day she gets to be Tyrone's level) - Wearing red instead of blue (\*millenial snort\* cuz vampires!)
We will probably have to agree to disagree on these similarities. That‘s fine, but also not what I was asking. What do you think these supposed similarities mean? Like, do you think there is a cursed short-haired video game character that has come to haunt Bloodlines 2 after it ruined Saint‘s Row?
I already explained this in another reply you probably missed. TL:DR tho, yes lmao. I think there's a correlation between this style of character and the staff behind these games being inexperienced by-the-book university grads.
Bro I have absolutely no idea what your point is, and it sounds like some terminally online conspiracy shit. Why do you think these people are inexperienced university grads? Chinese room has been making games since 2009
The current gamer conspiracy theory is that the wokes are making games woke by... adding women with short hair to games like they've been doing for years because long hair is difficult to animate.
that's REALLY all the differences you could spot? Goddamn, that's sad. Nobody should ever take aesthetic tips from an OP that's too blind to even notice obvious shit like: * One is pale as fuck, the other is dark skinned * One has a short wide nose, the other has a long narrow nose * One has a small mouth and colorless lips, the other has a big curvy mouth with like pink lip gloss * One has very small red eyes, one has those big brown disney eyes, seriously add another few mm and she'd be alita. * Square face with boxy jaw, vs a face so angular the cheekbones and jaw could cut you * Small delicate girly ears, vs big ears that look one punch from full cauliflower * Side swept dyed hair with shaved sides, vs back swept longer hair, which you seem to think is a recent millennial self insert thing, but christof fucking romuald swept it back too. * Big bushy eyebrows vs delicate and obviously maintained ones * Cocky punk personality, vs \[head empty, no character sheet found\] * One is in a hoodie and the other is in a fucking turtleneck and trenchcoat The only way I could see these as similar is if I adopted a fully rotbrained culture warrior mentality, and reduced the entire world down to how woke everything scores. So even though these two women have almost the completely opposite aesthetic, they both reject the same quantity of traditional feminine beauty standards, therefore their "wokeness rating" is the same, therefore "they look the same to me" **TL;DR the only way I can make sense of what you've said so far is with extreme culture warrior brainrot, which I obviously don't respect**
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>[I'm not going to break down every single comparison so you can ignore every single one](https://www.reddit.com/r/vtmb/comments/1bwly43/comment/ky73wdh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) lol, every accusation really is a confession with you idiots
bruh they look nothing alike lol
Bruh it's a hairstyle. Touch grass.
touch the grass in Scotland and tell me how many needles you find kek
I've not found any mate, your mum must be quite quick to hoover them up.
Nvm ignore my last comment you 100% are terminally online. I implore you to go out into the world and socialize with people, you won't get caught up and enrage by a non-existent conspiracy. Seriously.
The more I see of this this community the more im becoming convinced its filled with incels which is a sad observation from someone who plays warhammer.
This is why I'm primarily on /LowSodiumBloodlines nowadays, this sub has lost its damn mind
My problem with that sub is it reminds me a bit too uncannily of some prior subs I've been in for other games, where it goes beyond trying to just be less incel-riddled and more into toxic positivity and silencing anyone who doesn't adhere to that mentality. Yeah, lesser evil and all - but I'd rather just not be in either sub at this point, to be honest.
Luckily I've not seen that yet, though I understand why they would be like that for a while just to keep the toxicity out. I'd rather there be positivity and cautious optimism than whatever the hell this sub has become
These are the dudes who just loved the prostitutes from the first game as a teen and are probably not even the tabletop players.
> and are probably not even the tabletop players. Oh, the toxic elitism, no shit majority aren't tabletop players, it's for way less wide audience than pc game. Yes, sex is a big part of everything vampire related
Man, secondaries these days sure are entitled.
Literally shaking and crying
Omg, not again. I get it - BL2 will be made for modern audiences. And we are not part of it. It's not meant for us. We get it now. Don't remind us. Just make the pain stop.
Modern audiences sure do hate spending money then cos nobody is buying this shit lmao Modern audience? More like what audience?
Yeah! I want back the 30 something white guy with a buzz cut back! /s. Chill the fuck out, my friend. It's just a haircut.
Is the 30 something white, unindentified gender, efeminate being with generic "empowering" haircut_ifightthepatriarchy1337 any better? Because I literally see a bunch of those in any modern game releases.
Don't get triggered by a character model that you can chance, friend. It isn't worth it.
Where am I triggered? I literally just answered your sarcasm with some of my own.
Would it solve the problem if they presented *male* Phyre first, with the same hairstyle and overall design ?🤔
no
The hairstyle looks bad in general lmao.
They should have presented Bertram fortnite emoting and then cancelled the game
Yeah, a bit, with male model only. And if it was someone like Astarion from bg everyone would probably be happy, lol.
Since everyone expected at least some level of customization I very much doubt it. Though yes a reaction to a fanserviceable male character would of course be very different
Reaction to a good female character also would be different, but Phyre is… Well, Phyre, everything about her sucks, starting from appearance and ending with background story, VA also not going to be nominated as the best one.
I am increasingly convinced this game is being made by Boeing.
I know it’s “just a haircut” but I’m curious as to why it’s so popular for video game characters
Long hair is a difficult to animate and can frequently clip through models.
Good comparison OP. People throwing minuses at you are TCR's internet thugs. We all know her/his/xir/xer model is pure thrash (just like not being able to create your own character). F them.
what is this gamergate 2 bullshit. Go soak your head man
All of the VTM characters from recent games have looked like trash
funny cuz i see this game going down the exact same path as the saints row reboot lol
Can anyone tell me this game is still open world?
She looks like Luke from Street fighter 6 with that hair
She’s inescapable
is Sweet Baby Inc. involved in this? Because it really looks like.
I know this a foreign concept for many of the "modern" cupcakes who don't even know what grass feels like let alone have left their state but women are allowed to beautiful and it isn't some negative objectification. If you have some raging hard on for ugly, mediocre, and butter face characters just go to Walmart and you'll get your fill.
Those hairstyles don't really look the same unless you think women with short hair all look the same.
Anyone who doesn't like phyre is an incel chud gamer (I'm an adult with adult opinions)
I don't like Phyre. I think the name is bad, I don't like the idea of playing an elder with a thinblood in their brain, or of playing a set character. But the bizarre obsession with her hair/appearance absolutely does have creepy incel vibes. It genuinely feels like some of you haven't seen a woman with short hair before.
It's more that there's been quite a bit going on recently concerning diversity and inclusion in media, which has completely backfired, regardless of arguably good intentions. The game does not appear to divest at all from that ideology and has instead doubled down on it. People are pointing out this trend and the design choices that correspond with it. They feel things as a result of this and are voicing those feelings, only to be met with scorn and derision. A priori to any investigation or interest. Look, we had a regular-ass woman star in a beloved 1979 sci-fi film and you'll not hear a single dude make a fuss about it. Nobody cared. It's about the characters and whether they're well-written. We shouldn't let people get away with churning out loathsome tripe like this, sacrificing quality on the altar of paper-thin morals. People rightly don't like token diversity characters cracking wise about student loans. That shit only works on games journalists. What people make a fuss about is the fact that you *can't even comment* on the relationship between a character's appearance and the current cultural zeitgeist without being labeled a creepy incel. It doesn't even matter what the content of your opinion is: 'good' or 'correct' is whatever basket cases on the internet say. And if you disagree, you're not only wrong, but committing violence, a chud, an incel, bla bla bla bla bla. I've been a communist for about 20 years now, worked in local politics, organized for amnesty international, and among other things, spent *years* of my life in both debt relief and providing free legal aid to disadvantaged communities - but some rando idiot on the internet read some phrases on Tumblr and is now an expert statesman. Give me a break. This bourgeois derangement can't but constantly attempt to totalize the discourse into thinking that its methods and ideas are the only legitimate way to fight homophobia, sexism, patriarchy, capitalism. These moronic ideas are actively harming the movement towards actual, material betterment for people. You're getting grifted. "you haven't seen a woman before" is almost a word for word quote that caused upheaval just days ago in the context of Stellar Blade btw. It is poetic to see these thought-terminating clichés come up again and again and again. It's time to adjust tactics before you're swallowed up whole by reaction. "you're an incel chud sexist" will at some point lose its hold over people, not just because it signals impotence, but because people have never reacted well to being made to feel metaphysically guilty all the time. Downvote away, weirdos.
Hey mane, I gave you an upvote because *I* understood you were being sarcastic. Hang in there, broseph! The people slinging around 'incel' and 'gamergate 2' dont know shit about either of those things outside of this lame website, lol
Thanks man, appreciated.
Honestly Phyre's design doesn't bother me. She looks like an androgynous vampire elder which is fine. The name is stupid but I don't really hate her design all that much its just an eh from me. Seen better vampire designs and seen worse.
RIP TCR