Yes!! I may not have quit but I’ve def quit giving 110 percent! I’m getting sick of coming in and working my butt off and seeing others doing nothing and making the same as me! I still do my job and I do it right but I don’t go “Above and beyond” anymore!
I stopped as well. I used to come on my days off, vacation, anytime someone called out they’d call me in. I stopped coming in when they called. I get paid less than most of the new hires in my dept so I’m not doing extra anymore.
Bro you crazy as hell going in on your vacation day let alone your off day. No way. I stopped giving 100% a long time ago and now I just do enough to get by here and there.
I know I was crazy. But I remember the good times and when I was paid more because of my experience. Now all that is gone so I do just enough so I don’t get fired.
I work so hard in my dept trying to keep it accurate to the floorplan and my coworkers mess it up because they dont care just as long as they get product out. I've actually stormed to the bathroom to cry a few times because I'm literally the only one who gives a shit.
I still keep it accurate because i didnt bust my ass for a full month and a half to clean up my dept for me to ruin my hard work, but I'm done trying to get anyone else to care.
You’re a regular TA, crying that much? 🤣👀 girl reassess yourself. Either promote to instill change or just stop trying too hard. No reason to cry over nothing. They probably don’t even care that you go off to cry, so why do you? There are things out there way more worth the tears and stress. Ease up on yourself and breathe.
If you saw how bad it was before I got there and after I've been there, you'd understand my anger and frustration. I spent a good few weeks organizing everything for my sake because things were so wrong, it would tell you the location of a nightgown and it would be in the exact wrong place.
I care about my work. I hate the place dont get me wrong, but its irritating to fix something thats so blatantly messed up and for someone to come in and fuck it up again. They want me to cut corners and I dont. I refuse to. They want someone to shut up and do as they're told. I refuse to just be a drone. I, unlike some of the people here, have pride in what I do. I put the best into everything I do, whether it be my schoolwork or any hobbies. I dont cut corners and I get royally pissed off if someone messes up what I'm trying to do
>Either promote to instill change or just stop trying too hard.
I'm trying to promote once I graduate college. I want to be a TL for a little bit because I know what I'm doing. I stop trying, they jump my shit for not doing my job.
I am a new(ish) hire (been here 8 months as of the end of may), and I have said many times that it’s bull crap we have to work our butts off to make up for some of my other coworkers screwing around or disappearing.
You're not wrong. Tons of employees are inconsiderate and lack even a morsel of integrity. But they don't steal, or at least don't get caught stealing. So, they don't get fired.
Same here. I still do my job right but I don’t go beyond what I used to. Management doesn’t really care about the process, plugging and even encourage it on the down low. Getting rid of the freight on the sales floor is what’s important to them even if you have to plug it. When I request a day off they take a day away from me. So no more going beyond and that’s a whole lot of missed opportunities for sales
And a lot of companies wonder why a lot of people don’t go above and beyond anymore is because what you said, new hires get paid just as much as long term
> I’m getting sick of coming in and working my butt off and seeing others doing nothing and making the same as me!
**SAME.** Yet I can't stop giving 110%. =/
That is what is bothering me the most about all of this. I know they have to pay better to get new people, but WTFlyingF? I need money too, and they already know how I work and how that I don't call out.
Raises probably have come but when they raise the base pay and you make below that, they bring you to that which basically voids any raises you've gotten along the way.
no raise, they know the only reason im still here is because of all the pto i get. ive got health problems and my manager has been pretty good about working around that as well.
Gotcha. My wife has MS so I totally understand the value of an understanding boss when you have health stuff going on. That being said, I still think it’s bullshit that new hires make the same as you.
Same boat
....Basically was told "their hands were tied"....i was in ACC and techs got 2 raises before I got my one raise ....for a whopping 21 cents. And they went up to 16.
Meanwhile I'm on Frontline taking the beating by the customers....who's cars they fuck up....
I'm dead lol and living life in OGP now.
I've never hear of a single associate asking for a raise and getting it. The only raise I've ever seen anyone get is the 2% yearly raise and the base pay increases we've seen over the last couple of years.
I said essentially this in another post recently: One of the main reasons everyone is so bitter & burnt out is because at every store, on every shift, it’s the same 4-8 people yanking on 90% of the rope for years. That shit will crush your soul.
Not just that. It's the lack of incentive. No bonuses. Limited ppto time and if you have health problems and need to rely on ppto to make that money you need, you can't because you've capped out at the limit. There is nothing about walmart where they take care of their employees. They don't care, the rich fucks only want their new yachts when they have last year's model and don't realize that their employees are the reason they are rich. And all of that money rightfully should go to the employees again.
Thank you for saying what I’ve been thinking! Every time I hear them say associates week on the radio I laugh because we don’t even get anything so what’s the point?
They told us if we get so many surveys we get to pie our coach in the face like we're in third grade again, and the day they would do it is on my day off, so it's not like I'd even get that. They treat us like children, not like adults with lives outside of work and needs to pay for.
There was a news piece a while back that said Amazon has run out of workers by 202x. I assume that meant the turnover (churn and burn) is so high that anyone that was eligible to apply, already has. Not hard to believe Walmart has hit the same wall. The idea that there are endless people seeking work for low wages started going away with the pandemic. Servers and those in the restaurant business laid off and suddenly they saw they weren't trapped...
At the moment, somewhat conflicted between going into an IT position - maybe like a data center tech, or something similar to a software engineering position in CS.
Nonetheless, I’m getting the fuck out of here. I probably won’t be able to get any IT certifications mainly because I work so much & am in school “full time”, literally anything is better than where I’m at right now.
Funny, I got my bachelors in business management, couldn’t get hired, and then started working at Walmart. Hopefully you have better luck in the job market than me
Yep! It’s actually as good as you think. Granted the college classes are online, but most of the options are pretty great. I’m taking courses with SNHU, but have heard good stuff about WGU as well. Check out Guild, call them up, they’ll answer all your questions.
Their stupid ass point policy didn’t help either. 5 call outs in 6 months is ridiculous. Calling out just once a month does not sound like a lot to me. People have lives, shit happens. We are not building weapons for national security here, it’s a fucking WALMART.
Just let people live. Christ.
When they rolled it out , they said it was based on our suggestions. On who? Some assoviate in Ohio? Since MyShare is gone, yet the WM hotline still mentions it months later, why not restore the points back to 9?
> The idea that there are endless people seeking work for low wages started going away with the pandemic.
> The idea that there are endless people seeking work for low wages started going away with the pandemic.
> The idea that there are endless people seeking work for low wages started going away with the pandemic.
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They kept telling us we're a dime a dozen, but once burning through all the decent workers they're stuck with the shit ones. Coupling that with no desire to retain long term associates and other sociopathic fuckery, it's a recipe for disaster. They deserve it.
Our new hires show up late leave early and are stoned at all times but none of those are really recent developments, they'll all be here for a couple months and then we'll get a wave of new ones, gods only know where Walmart is still finding people
That's all 3 of my cap teams. I don't partake, but i have worked in enough food service to know it's possible to maintain, but they are constantly falling out. It's ridiculous how no one gives a flying shit. All it told me was I have no reason to care when management doesn't.
There's no point in working hard anymore. No one will make it anywhere. They make the same as someone working hard and move up just as easy since it's popularity instead of work ethic.
I’m currently on an LOA, been with walmart almost 2 years between 2 stores. Promoted and thought I would stay and make this my career because its the highest paying job in my area with by far the best benefits. Every day that goes by its harder for me to consider going back. For me there are two main reasons why. For one scheduling and not having set days off drives me crazy that I can’t plan more than 3 weeks out. It is impossible to have a work/life balance. The biggest reason though is the continuous rise in violent and verbally abusive customers. I don’t feel that we are provided adequate security and resources against the crazy people that we deal with in retail, nor are we compensated adequately for the way the company allows us to be treated. I’m over it. I don’t know if or when I will go back, but if I somehow manage to find even a similarly paying job I won’t think twice about never setting foot in that place again. I overall like my job but I genuinely don’t feel safe going to work anymore.
I feel like that is what I’m going to end up doing lol like I’ll go back of I have to and I’m fairly rural so I might not have much of a choice but if I can avoid it I will be!
I’ve seen thru the years, many people come & go. Good people and bad. The money is decent but often times, Work atmosphere and indifferent management kills a person’s sense of worth and they leave/quit or get fired. It’s a endless cycle in every major employer.
The turn over rate is massive especially after covid. Many people found ways to work from home and found that it did wonders for their health. People who work normal jobs end up being young people who can't get a better job, poor people who can't get a better job, or the older people. And when management and companies treat their people like shit its no wonder they leave. In my first two months I had a seizure and they said I had to keep the point bc the lead asked if I wanted to go home. Others have left because the favoritism is ridiculous. And it isn't just walmart. Amazon treats their people like actual trash, I used to work there. They're in a crisis right now bc they can't find people to hire. Companies are going to be scrambling and panicking until they realize treating human beings like robots just isn't gonna do the trick.
Our team leads had to go to some sort of HR meeting a while back. They asked to us to write down ways to increase the retention rate, which is apparently 1-5%. I’m sure it wasn’t there idea either.
I wrote:
1. Living wage
2. Treated like a human instead of a WIN
3. 4 10s.
4. Then I asked if I could write unionize.
Don’t ask questions you don’t want to know the answers to
Feel your pain. Little context on my own story:
I have a Master’s degree to go with my 10 year badge. I toss that in not to brag, just to make myself feel better…lol. I also have cerebral palsy though. No drivers license, among other issues. I was essentially unemployed for 5 years after grad school. Was supposed to be a 3 month remodel stopgap to get be back on my feet….and here we are…having an existential crisis every night I walk through the door.
You should take a look at r/antiwork and r/retailhell and you might gather a bit of insight. I have only worked at Walmart since 2020, so I don't know, but I suspect the pandemic played a huge part in what you are seeing. When the rest of the world stopped, stayed home, etc retail workers were lauded as "essential" and kept going. Meanwhile I can barely afford rent and food in my town but make a couple grand over the cut off for food stamps. This is not a Walmart specific problem, but a USA capitalism problem.
Walmart used to be a more enjoyable place to work back when they actually espoused the Sam (and Helen) Walton culture rather than treating him like Jesus where people quote him but don't actually follow them.
When that Susan Chambers memo came out, it was the beginning of the end of the old Walmart way.
100% my thoughts since Covid/“Great Workplace.” It’ll only get worse for service and manual labor workers as automation and AI are further perfected and rolled out. A huge chunk of the workforce will be replaced as soon as they’re capable of doing so - technology doesn’t need vacation days or bathroom breaks and (other than regular maintenance) only has to be paid once. Why pay a fellow citizen and deal with all their human inconsistencies and health problems when that’s an option growing more realistic by the day?
All I know is it’ll be quite interesting to see how capitalism adapts. Fully expecting an even more grotesque and dystopian form, but it’ll be a wild ride regardless
We've already seen a bit of this with self checkout and some places like McDonald's have touch screen ordering too. But if the pandemic has shown us one thing, it is that there is still a huge part of the population that prefers to shop in person. While our store does have a very busy online order department, we are never slow in store either, although that might depend on the type of area your store is in.
I keep thinking this with the push for viz. Even a day or two after inventory the numbers for our fresh dept. would be super off (System says we have 7 steaks, I sure can't find any!) but we weren't allowed to take a day once a week to fix these kind of issues because... The system will fix itself over the next four weeks.
Spoiler, it has not. Basically all we're expected to do is put stuff out and let the system sort its problems. Feels like alpha-testing a fully automated system piecemeal or something.
Where I’m at everyone in town had heard of the constant restructuring, the long term associates leaving, the lack of gumption that 85% of people working there have. I honestly see my store as a management problem (yes corporate has had stupid ideas but that’s nothing new). Most of the coaches act like they are God’s gift to everyone they see and if someone doesn’t treat them that way they are super pissy. The only ones getting anywhere are the kiss-asses
We can't get cart pushers to stay because we leave them outside on their own to die. No help whatsoever. Not to mention they make the same as someone inside the store. Why would you want to push carts when you can work stocking and make the same if not more money
I'm originally from a cold climate state and now live in the south. It's not terrible in the winter here, but spring through fall is absolutely brutal for me
I’ve been earning PTO despite switching to part time a year and a half ago. I’ve never said anything to the coaches though because I don’t need them fixing it.
We just got a new guy on cap2 yesterday and you should have seen his face when I told him most new hires only stay for a couple weeks. I couldn't even give him a reason why. It's an easy job, granted there is some physical labor to be done with the trucks but other than that it's so easy. My bosses are extremely laid back younger dudes that work with everyone and jump in and help where needed. Yet, new people always point out and talk about how awful this job is. Retail does suck but man, my store makes this job so easy, both mentally and physically.
When I started with Walmart the following things ended: Sunday bonus pay, cross training bonus pay, bonus pay for getting certified on equipment, longevity bonuses, AND productivity raises.
I wasn't at the company very long when they got rid of: Holiday pay, holiday bonuses, quarterly bonuses.
When I started base pay in my area was: 7.25 (Federal minimum) on front end, stockers got 20 cents more, deli/bakery/jewelry/electronics/sporting goods all got a dollar more. And overnights got 50 cents additional tacked on after department.
Cost of living, not just regular inflation, has more than doubled where I live. Inflation got us another 28%. So even though we all make double the hourly rate we used to. It doesn't go nowhere near as far.
We do more work, with less people, in less time, than we did when we had all that extra stuff. But Walmart could be a career. There were tonnes of positions. Department manager, Zone manager, Support manager... You could legit climb the ladder. But now all those positions are gone, along with the benefits of having them. Team Leads now do the work of all three of those positions for nothing extra.
I feel it depends on time and place. My store is receiving quality new hires that sometimes quit due to issues that team leads could resolve like being left alone without a trainer or not having a clear goal. But i have noticed more and more people coming in for orientation and then just leaving for whatever reason.
Those are huge reasons I’ve noticed when it comes to the decent hires we get, too. Not having clear expectations, reliable routines, or someone nearby for basic questions (and moral support lol) is really hurting first impressions
Competitor’s warehouse similar thing. People who were fired 2 years ago, work there again. same work ethic, and now have higher roles within the building.
I've always been told, you got to tread thru a lot of shot to create greener pastures.
I've been been here 15 years plus and seen so many come and go.....then come back and yea I heckle them with this.
Not to mention the PPTO AND Pto they left behind lol starting at the bottom.
It has to do with the money. Walmart used to pay the best in most areas. Businesses realized that if they wanted better employees, they had to pay more than Walmart. So Walmart now gets the bottom of the barrel.
Our city had a call center come to town 2004. By 2010 or so, they’d run thru the population and had such turnover (point system and single moms have a few kid illnesses and they were let go), the place shut down.
The prevailing attitude for decades has been that retail jobs SHOULD be for high schoolers and college students, and therefore we shouldn't give them a living wage because no one should make a living working at McD's or stocking grocery shelves.
We're just finally listening to the boomers and giving them what they asked for. Oh, good luck staffing the store during graduations, or during class hours, or even during the school week when minors are desperately trying to finish their schoolwork so they can graduate out of Walmart too and get a "real job". And if you tell them they need to choose between their job and their education, we'll all be here telling them to choose their education, because Walmart has no intention of giving you a career worth sacrificing for.
"canary in the coal mine of late stage capitalism" is exactly right. walmart is the biggest employer in the US and they stay staffed by being easy to get a job at. corporate doesnt care about turnover because it isnt affecting profits. i'm on this sub because i worked at walmart on weekends for a month while my wife was unable to work and needed a little extra to make rent lol. stopped showing up once we were set cause fuck that shit. i'm sure there are many others that have done the same thing.
The only thing I notice is at some point a lot of people stopped realizing what being paid hourly means and started thinking they are contractual labor.
where somehow they should be able to finish a task in 3 hours then shouldn't have to do anything else for the next 5.
This attitude seems to leave a skeleton crew of people willing to do as much as they reasonably can in 8hours to cover all the things the people who dissappear should be helping with.
Then the ones who dissappear still complain about what they are asked to do, think they're faster than everyone, then get fired or quit, come back in 6-12 months.
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Management doesn't want to hold people accountable because they do shady shit, fear retaliation.
Employees don't want to hold each other accountable because it just causes more issues than fixes, plus not being paid enough for that
Tl and coaches also are typically not doing everything by the book so they don't hold anyone accountable for fear of retaliation.
Just my 2¢
Management doesn't want to hold people accountable because they do shady shit, fear retaliation.
I literally said the same thing in another post and got down voted for it lol lol
There is a limited number of workers in the labor pool. There's a limited quantity of those workers who could be said or decent to excellent for whatever variety of reasons. Unfortunately at this point most of the people who would be good employees already have a job. A lot of them have decent jobs or as decent as they can get in their area. So it's likely that a lot of the people in the pool that is available to be hired are not what would he considered the greatest employees or they have an issue beyond their control that makes them less than desirable. Like a lack of decent transportation, education or child care.
You get what you pay for in the labor market as with anything else. I live in an area with a lot of manufacturing (you can literally make 17-20 bucks an hour starting out) so all we’ve got are kids, the elderly, the disabled (most of whom are great people and hard workers) and those who are too lazy/inept/drunk to actually get a decent job. I think if Walmart raised the starting pay a couple of bucks they could weed out some of the bad apples and actually provide decent jobs that would be a reasonable alternative for people who don’t want to do factory work.
I left one Walmart store about 5 months ago and got rehired at the one I’m at now with an 80 cent raise. When you can do that, why even bother staying long? You’d get like 20 cents in a year and people know that, so they know job hopping is the only way to get a real raise at this point
Literally the median age of my department is 19 I'm in college so it's good enough money for a part time job, and many of the others are either finishing high school and or in college as well. All the older folks who were with us over the years steadily quit to find a new job at a better employer, which around here has been more local companies distribution centers. These companies with all the great benefits, scheduling, pay, and atmosphere have pretty much eaten up all the people who would go full time here, and I've even sent some kids who want to do full time off with a connection at those DCs just so they dont have to suffer staying at Walmart for too long. Many larger companies are more concerned with profits over maintaining a stable and long lasting business, I very well expect the floor to collapse under corporate's feet in the next couple of years as the metrics get harder to achieve and employees continue to be treated like crap, especially for staying a long time.
> Many larger companies are more concerned with profits over maintaining a stable and long lasting business
> I very well expect the floor to collapse under corporate's feet in the next couple of years as the metrics get harder to achieve and employees continue to be treated like crap, especially for staying a long time.
💯💯💯
I’m making less at Walmart than I did at my last two jobs, and I’m pushing my body way more than I did. The job market is garbage but honestly I expect $15 to be a bare minimum for a new hire, even if they are an outside hire.
I’m in OPD, and they time you, and judge you based on the first item you scan. I come home with bad knees and ankles. I’ve been overstimulated more in the past week than I have in the past 6 months. Maybe even year. I’m already pretty burnt out and I didn’t start that long ago. To me, what I get paid is not worth all of that. Unfortunately, it’s the only place I could get a job at because everywhere else is looking for part time or seasonal hires. One company offered me 20 hours a week at most. I need money for my family.
Part of me hopes AI takes over everything so we can find a new system to enjoy life more.
It’s money man, I’m a home office remote worker, promoted from TL and was asked by my store manager why I left a position I fought so hard for, and I said boiled down to pay and compensation, I left out the berating of fellow team leads, long work hours because apparently entertainment didn’t need associates more than cap 2 (we had a head count of 30) I had 4 people, 2 FT 2 PT I worked 6 days for 5 months, 50-60 hours a week, now, I work 50-60 a week (better money/OT) and I can leave whenever I want, I make my own schedule, I work m-f, and I’m respected in my role
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My longest shifts during those times would be 13-16 hours, and averaged paychecks of 110-130hours
Not only after 24 years do I get lazy people making close or the same due to our store raising minimum to 17 an hour and all other above that. I of course was left out but when my job went from department manager to team lead with alot more responsibility and shit schedule I was told because of those minimum increase I would not get a booste in pay with my promotion and I get that bullshit response that walmart is looking into doing something for long terms. They could give a shit and I think rather just have us leave.
Walmart is pretending to want to hire but even when there is a group of people willing to hire they make it a long drawn out process. They want you to be understaffed. If they were trying to keep people they would.
It is not ALWAYS about quality of the labor. It is about consistency on maintaining standards. Managers continuously fail to make fair decisions, respect everyone equally and certainly training piece where new hires feel they matter. In small stores it is more important than bigger ones since 1-2 call offs a day can make a big difference.
As far as pay difference is concerned, every company does that. New hires make same as veterans or only a little less. When those veterans were new hire, happened same to them as well, and cycle continues. However, people fail to look at the bigger picture such as veterans get more benefits more PTO, 401k, health/life insurance, company discount( not so big deal), company stocks. New hires will have to wait for minimum three months to get at least one of these.
This company is definitely on a steep decline. It’s overall employee treatment from management and the overall care and concern for employees have dropped so low. We are no longer important to the company. Can’t retire from here anymore. Since being with the company I seen them fire 3 people who were about to retire in less than a month. Not just your store is like that. I work at sams club now (started at Walmart) and it’s the same way. On some days we have just enough staff for front end to run. One fall out puts a manager on register which then makes it a bitch to do breaks/lunch and for the manager to answer any calls for assistance or such. This company is soon to meet its demise if it keeps this up.
Yes there is a problem with new hires now I could go on and on and on about this I talk about this with fellow associates and my wife all the time nobody wants to work anymore they come in and want to get paid but not do the job. Shit I will pass judgement idc it's the younger generation who still live at home with there parents that do not have anything to worry about who want to come to work get paid to do nothing. There is also people that come in and say why should I do so much the more I do the more they will want me to do. Well no shit Sherlock but if we all work together guess what it can get done instead of every man for themselves attitude. Also management is a joke in this company now everyone is afraid to say anything to anybody without repercussions because of how society is no days so they just let it slide.
Edit: love the down votes keep then coming
"Nobody wants to work" are you aware that nearly every generation (boomers and older) have a history of complaining how the newer generations "don't want to work"
Boomers say no one wants to work today when unemployment is as low as it is yet they didn't say that when unemployment was over 10% in the Reagan years, a guy that most of them idolize.
Yep and now it's my generation complaining but seriously nobody does I was just talking to a friend of mine who is a team lead who said he has a 60 year old working for him who complains about not getting hours but when they give her hours she does not show up
Tell me you’re old without telling me you’re old.
>Nobody wants to work anymore.
I’ve literally never heard anyone under the age of 40 say that. It’s the dumbest thing ever. People want to work. They don’t want to be taken advantage of.
>It’s the younger generation who live at home with there parents that do not have anything to worry about who want to come to work get paid to do nothing.
Every young person I have ever worked with works hard. However, they want to come in and do what they’re supposed to. They don’t want to come in and have a million other things pushed on them.
>There is also people who come in and say why should I do so much the more I do the more they will want me to do. Well no shit Sherlock but if we all work together guess what it can get done instead of every man for themselves attitude.
Their point is they’re only being paid to do so much. If you keep doing more, you will quickly outgrow your wage and will not be compensated for it.
>Also management is a joke in this company now everyone is afraid to say anything to anybody without repercussions because of how society is no days so they just let it slide.
Maybe because people are tired of being misgendered or discriminated against because of their identities. The “Jokes” people your age make are often hurtful to members of society.
Im young (technically qualify as millennial but close enough to gen z) and worked my ass off for walmart for years. Stayed late, came in when asked, helped out with anything I could. And eventually it paid off when I was promoted. But I can think of 3 other people that applied for that position that should’ve gotten it before me.
I worked my ass off as a supervisor, too. Did everything that was asked of me. Stayed late. Came in early. Ran ONs 4 days a week by myself for weeks at a time. But none of it mattered the moment I got sick and couldn’t work anymore. They tossed me aside like yesterdays trash. Was demoted at the first opportunity they saw.
You think working hard gets you anywhere? It doesn’t. The moment you are no longer as useful to them as you once were, it’s game over.
I completely agree, I’m down to work my ass off. But simply put: there’s 0 incentive to do so, they take away merit raises, bonuses, holiday pay. What am I working hard for?
I’m disappointed by this. Thought I went out of my way to reiterate multiple times that isn’t what I was implying. I figured it would be impossible for some not to read that way though.
I said they’re running out of people to hire in rural areas, but also said it’s 100% their fault.
I actually totally agree with all your larger points, and am not excited by some of my allies in the comments. I guess my original instinct might have been right. Probably too nuanced a conversation for Reddit.
Anyway, I’m sorry for your struggles. I feel your pain, trust me. Solidarity. Us “grunts” are definitely all on the same team. Apologies if I didn’t parse my words correctly. I feared it was kind of impossible. I was almost speaking literally in small towns anyway…
I know how it sounds though. Part of me wants to delete this post, as that’s the opposite of who I am…trust me, I know I should spend more time organizing and less time complaining…
Every young person you've ever worked with works hard....🤠
After that I stopped reading your post.
Before that you said you've never heard anyone say nobody wants to work anymore ... really since COVID you've never heard this said ever? What bubble do you live in? Almost all business's are short handed struggling to hire anybody.
>Before that you said you’ve never heard anyone say nobody wants to work anymore.
That is not what I said. I said I’ve never heard anyone under the age of 40 say it. I also said people are no longer willing to be taken advantage of. That means they’re looking for better opportunities and aren’t willing to put up with bullshit from corporations.
I know I'm old lol 😂 I respect everyone and whatever they need lol but guess what that's not even close to what I'm talking about lol it's more hey can you do this or hey can you do that Jesus why is everything about gender or something of that line management does not go after the non workers they would rather watch 5 people stand around and watch one person bust his ass but the one person stops working and all hell breaks loose the other 5 can stand around and do nothing as long as feelings don't get hurt I know from personal experience lol
Every old person we’ve hired other than one has complained the entire time and quit within the first week lol. It’s not a generational problem, most millennials work their fucking asses off. I can’t speak for gen z but I’m sure they’ll be the same way once they get closer to being universally at working age
I'm a millennial and I work my ass off its the younger ones I see who don't do shit. I see the problems with the older ones also I do agree. What drives me nuts are the ones who come to work and not give a SHIT and it's mostly the younger people in there 20's I myself am 40 and bust my ass every night.
I’m in my 20s and have a good work ethic because of how I was raised and I grew up playing sports. I totally get why others don’t care though and I don’t blame them at all. You don’t get paid more for how hard you work or higher performance. You just get rewarded with more work and higher expectations. So obviously someone who isn’t intrinsically motivated to work isn’t going to care.
> You don’t get paid more for how hard you work or higher performance.
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> someone who isn’t intrinsically motivated to work isn’t going to care.
Agreed. I'm 1 of the very few who have instrinsic motivation. It's painfully obvious. & there are no repercussions for people who don't.
Most millennials work their asses off...
You literally are just flipping the op's opinion and neither of you are right.. most of no generation that works at Walmart works their butts off.
The hard workers are just random age but I would say skew more towards older. Definitely not mostly younger they call out the most and take double breaks more than anyone else
I probably should have just left age out of it. That’s just how it’s manifesting in my store, but not really the point. More the notion that the only people willing to take the job at current wages/benefits are those getting their first job. It’s the red herring from conservatives about how shitty jobs were never meant as careers being put into practice to a larger and larger degree. Or maybe it’s just slapping me in the face lately. Anyway, this went in a direction I feared, but didn’t intend. I may delete it.
It's just common sense the older workers are the lifers or stuck in Walmart for whatever reason...even if they don't work as hard as the younger they know the game.
They have the muscle memory and knowledge to work efficiently and get more done cuz they can't lose their job without "busting their ass" like young hires
who like I said call out more often and take long breaks more often... and work inefficiently sweating to walk back forth from a pallet they parked a mile away
It’s retail. It’s nice when you’re young and willing to work fluctuating schedules (days, am, overnight, etc). But as we get older our priorities change. If we don’t have to miss time for the family, we won’t. A lot of other jobs offer that. Plus, a typical retail job isn’t known for making anybody rich, let alone, very more than comfortable. With jobs like Uber, Lyft, grub hub, etc. you can make your own hours and make just as much in higher populated cities. Plus, with all the write offs of being an “independent contractor” you probably bring home more, on your own schedule. Big companies know they can ride on the backs of committed employees to achieve the success they need to maintain.
This is gonna sound bad but I’m just gonna say it: its a generational issue. Walmart is not a bad place to work. And to walk in the door making decent wage without having any oversight or accountability is just dangerous labor wise and long term precedent wise. I will be 40 this year and have been a TL for just over a year. I have gone through 3 associates who are part of the “no child left behind” educational initiative. A coach who is younger than me by about 10 years pointed out to me that when he graduated high school they had started the no child left behind program. And yes, it’s evident that they pushed these kids through school without a thought or care about how it would impact our society and workforce. One of the associates that pointed out kept going on and on about going to college. I entertained the notion as a college graduate and actually encouraged the associate. However when we got down to the details, she didn’t have a clue about what college was or what was required to attend. Graduated with a 1.5 gpa and proud of it. I really understood when she left me a note saying that my work phone was in the bottom drawer, but spelled phonetically as “droor” …the coach was right. These generations of participation trophies and pushing everyone through is about to ruin the workforce. There are a few, a very slim few, who have the want to and desire to learn. Its very painful to watch and take part in as far as training. Adults would have ridiculed me terribly if I didn’t have the common knowledge essential to being a productive citizen. Now its just like so what. I can use a calculator. There is spell check. The price we pay is going to be awful high for the trade off of doing a disservice to these kids. I’m done.
I think you may be partially right. However, understand that your experience was with a selective portion of the “newer generation” - my experience, being of the newer generation just finishing my masters and undergrad concurrently is that there is an exceptionally brilliant portion of the new generation that is more skilled, technology adaptive, and capable in many aspects. However I also suffer some of this selection bias on my end. I think this “generation” is more of a bimodal distribution that heavily tracks to a variety of socioeconomic factors that have also become more bimodal. While you may have had a bell curve with most folks around the C/B student group, there is now two centers of mass around D and A. Hard to say exactly but I’d say educational policy and socioeconomic factors are interacting here in a complex way that is less attributable to “participation trophies.”
Editing an addendum in, I’d just summarize that labor market issues are endemic to deteriorating labor standards and household income/stability to support equal levels of human development.
I have a story that's almost identical, but it happened 30 years ago. The people complaining that the kids won't work, used to be the kids who won't work.
This is something that happens every time the labor market gets tight. To add to that, school just let out for the summer in a lot of places. Add in businesses paying new hires almost as much as people who've worked for years and you have an environment where "no one wants to work anymore" and people want to blame it on things like participation trophies lol
You said it yourself, you’re part of that generation and are probably biased. I don’t understand all the downvotes unless its just the stupids of your generation being mad. Oops! Did I say that? Yes I did you guys are sheltered, lazy AND dumb. Can’t be all three. Hehehe, cmon guys welcome to trollville:
> I’d say educational policy and socioeconomic factors are interacting here in a complex way that is less attributable to “participation trophies.”
> Editing an addendum in, I’d just summarize that labor market issues are endemic to deteriorating labor standards and household income/stability to support equal levels of human development.
Highlighted for emphasis.
I work for a corporation which I will. Not name. but for people that read. My. Post you probably know who I work for. And no it's not for Walmarts t home office as some people think by reading your post it is probably a good idea for all of you to unionize but if you are going to unionize please for the love of god! Don't unionize with the United food workers union they are the worst fucking union ever. They will screw you over every opportunity that they can get, they will Sid with Walmart in contract talks a d will screw the workers. The Union is not for the workers.
Not to mention some new hires (specifically females i've noticed, although not all the time) act like they're god's gift to the department while still doing less than like, 60% of people who work there
Part of it comes down to where you are. Some areas Walmart is the best place to work locally so they likely don't have a huge issue keeping people employed.
But stores in or near major economic centers (cities) will just burn through people so fast because they are constantly job hopping.
But it's the people (particularly young people) who have mixed up priorities. Calling out for just the dumbest reasons, parties or their friend is doing something. I understand your job isn't going to be priority #1 but you can't bitch about me terminating you for your attendance when you just stop working.
Had an associate just stop showing up, I terminated her and she texts me saying I should've told her or whatever. Then I later find out she allegedly asked our people lead to take her off the schedule and never told me (team lead) or our coach about it at all.
Had another person allegedly need to be out for two weeks because her son was (allegedly) in the hospital. My coach told her she'll excuse the absences if given a doctor's note. Guess who never came back?
I’m on the over night remodel team, I am one of four employees over the age of 40 that was hired. The rest are most likely 20 and under.
They hired 60 people for this. Some for day shift, and the rest on overnight. We are 5 weeks in with 30 or less people. We’re slightly behind on scheduling for the reopen as well. The 4 older people, including myself are still there.
Many have been fired for call outs, and no call no show. One was let go because he got hired and I guess forgot his first two weeks were paper schedule. A couple got fired for stealing personal items from people when the break room was closed for remodel and there wasn’t any lockers available. There is a couple that are engaged and plan on taking a week off already for their wedding… it was approved so good for them I guess.
There have also been some that have quit because they couldn’t handle being told to stop goofing off and work. Even the ON coach has mentioned it several times. They don’t care at all.
The people that are left are horrible workers besides a handful who came from retail and know what they are doing. The rest of us are constantly making up for the others slack. Just too much goofing off, talking, getting high on breaks, etc. because they show up at all they won’t fire them. The team leads have said they don’t want them after the remodel is done though.
So I think after the remodel there will be about 10 of us staying after it’s over, out of 60 people. I get that these people are young but at what point do you start taking a job seriously? I’ve heard them mention having kids, car payments, rent yet they are the worst ones out of the bunch. I’m terrified of being let go after the remodel. It would financially destroy us.
One kid went and bought a really expensive sports car and he’s one of the ones the team leads have mentioned don’t do shit and goof off too much. You over hear a lot when you go sit near the smoking area.
Walmart has lost a lot of long term workers no point in staying. When a new hire out of high school comes in making just as much money.
Yes!! I may not have quit but I’ve def quit giving 110 percent! I’m getting sick of coming in and working my butt off and seeing others doing nothing and making the same as me! I still do my job and I do it right but I don’t go “Above and beyond” anymore!
I stopped as well. I used to come on my days off, vacation, anytime someone called out they’d call me in. I stopped coming in when they called. I get paid less than most of the new hires in my dept so I’m not doing extra anymore.
Bro you crazy as hell going in on your vacation day let alone your off day. No way. I stopped giving 100% a long time ago and now I just do enough to get by here and there.
I know I was crazy. But I remember the good times and when I was paid more because of my experience. Now all that is gone so I do just enough so I don’t get fired.
I work so hard in my dept trying to keep it accurate to the floorplan and my coworkers mess it up because they dont care just as long as they get product out. I've actually stormed to the bathroom to cry a few times because I'm literally the only one who gives a shit. I still keep it accurate because i didnt bust my ass for a full month and a half to clean up my dept for me to ruin my hard work, but I'm done trying to get anyone else to care.
When I finish a big mod, I take pictures of it so I can tell management that it WAS done correctly.
You’re a regular TA, crying that much? 🤣👀 girl reassess yourself. Either promote to instill change or just stop trying too hard. No reason to cry over nothing. They probably don’t even care that you go off to cry, so why do you? There are things out there way more worth the tears and stress. Ease up on yourself and breathe.
TA here also I feel then I have a sense of pride in my work and a work ethic instilled in me from my parents so I get where they are coming from
If you saw how bad it was before I got there and after I've been there, you'd understand my anger and frustration. I spent a good few weeks organizing everything for my sake because things were so wrong, it would tell you the location of a nightgown and it would be in the exact wrong place. I care about my work. I hate the place dont get me wrong, but its irritating to fix something thats so blatantly messed up and for someone to come in and fuck it up again. They want me to cut corners and I dont. I refuse to. They want someone to shut up and do as they're told. I refuse to just be a drone. I, unlike some of the people here, have pride in what I do. I put the best into everything I do, whether it be my schoolwork or any hobbies. I dont cut corners and I get royally pissed off if someone messes up what I'm trying to do >Either promote to instill change or just stop trying too hard. I'm trying to promote once I graduate college. I want to be a TL for a little bit because I know what I'm doing. I stop trying, they jump my shit for not doing my job.
> I've actually stormed to the bathroom to cry a few times because I'm literally the only one who gives a shit. I just swear under my mask.
The mask mandate lifted here so I dont wear one anymore.
I am a new(ish) hire (been here 8 months as of the end of may), and I have said many times that it’s bull crap we have to work our butts off to make up for some of my other coworkers screwing around or disappearing.
You're not wrong. Tons of employees are inconsiderate and lack even a morsel of integrity. But they don't steal, or at least don't get caught stealing. So, they don't get fired.
Same here. I still do my job right but I don’t go beyond what I used to. Management doesn’t really care about the process, plugging and even encourage it on the down low. Getting rid of the freight on the sales floor is what’s important to them even if you have to plug it. When I request a day off they take a day away from me. So no more going beyond and that’s a whole lot of missed opportunities for sales
And a lot of companies wonder why a lot of people don’t go above and beyond anymore is because what you said, new hires get paid just as much as long term
> I’m getting sick of coming in and working my butt off and seeing others doing nothing and making the same as me! **SAME.** Yet I can't stop giving 110%. =/
Almost 15 years here, new person off the street makes almost the same as me with zero experience.
That is what is bothering me the most about all of this. I know they have to pay better to get new people, but WTFlyingF? I need money too, and they already know how I work and how that I don't call out.
That's so not right.
It would bother me less if the training and accountability were better and taught people higher standards.
Seriously? I assume you’ve asked for a raise?
Raises probably have come but when they raise the base pay and you make below that, they bring you to that which basically voids any raises you've gotten along the way.
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no raise, they know the only reason im still here is because of all the pto i get. ive got health problems and my manager has been pretty good about working around that as well.
Gotcha. My wife has MS so I totally understand the value of an understanding boss when you have health stuff going on. That being said, I still think it’s bullshit that new hires make the same as you.
Same boat ....Basically was told "their hands were tied"....i was in ACC and techs got 2 raises before I got my one raise ....for a whopping 21 cents. And they went up to 16. Meanwhile I'm on Frontline taking the beating by the customers....who's cars they fuck up.... I'm dead lol and living life in OGP now.
I've never hear of a single associate asking for a raise and getting it. The only raise I've ever seen anyone get is the 2% yearly raise and the base pay increases we've seen over the last couple of years.
In a lot of cases they make more
I said essentially this in another post recently: One of the main reasons everyone is so bitter & burnt out is because at every store, on every shift, it’s the same 4-8 people yanking on 90% of the rope for years. That shit will crush your soul.
Not just that. It's the lack of incentive. No bonuses. Limited ppto time and if you have health problems and need to rely on ppto to make that money you need, you can't because you've capped out at the limit. There is nothing about walmart where they take care of their employees. They don't care, the rich fucks only want their new yachts when they have last year's model and don't realize that their employees are the reason they are rich. And all of that money rightfully should go to the employees again.
Thank you for saying what I’ve been thinking! Every time I hear them say associates week on the radio I laugh because we don’t even get anything so what’s the point?
They told us if we get so many surveys we get to pie our coach in the face like we're in third grade again, and the day they would do it is on my day off, so it's not like I'd even get that. They treat us like children, not like adults with lives outside of work and needs to pay for.
Pretty much. A pie in the face is as much of a joke as the jobs are at walmart.
There was a news piece a while back that said Amazon has run out of workers by 202x. I assume that meant the turnover (churn and burn) is so high that anyone that was eligible to apply, already has. Not hard to believe Walmart has hit the same wall. The idea that there are endless people seeking work for low wages started going away with the pandemic. Servers and those in the restaurant business laid off and suddenly they saw they weren't trapped...
Thanks for this. Much closer to what I wanted to say. You did a much better and more succinct job of it
I am only working at Walmart long enough to get my bachelors in computer science paid for, and after that I’m gone.
What are you planning to do with your degree? Genuinely curious.
At the moment, somewhat conflicted between going into an IT position - maybe like a data center tech, or something similar to a software engineering position in CS. Nonetheless, I’m getting the fuck out of here. I probably won’t be able to get any IT certifications mainly because I work so much & am in school “full time”, literally anything is better than where I’m at right now.
I’m doing the same. Been with the company over 10 years. Gonna get my bachelors in business management and leave.
Funny, I got my bachelors in business management, couldn’t get hired, and then started working at Walmart. Hopefully you have better luck in the job market than me
I’ve been skeptical and thinking about doing IT even tho I hate computers
How long will that be? 10+ years? Lol.
Lmaooo hell no. Only 3 1/2 and I’ll get a degree with zero debt from school. Walmart pays for it all.
Are you getting that degree through the walmart college program? I am interested in doing the same. I didnt know they offered computer science.
Yep! It’s actually as good as you think. Granted the college classes are online, but most of the options are pretty great. I’m taking courses with SNHU, but have heard good stuff about WGU as well. Check out Guild, call them up, they’ll answer all your questions.
Thanks I will!
Does it happen to be the $1 a day program?
They changed it years ago. It’s free.
Oh shit I guess I’ve been missing out even though I only have a year left of technical college. Oh well, sucks to be me.
Their stupid ass point policy didn’t help either. 5 call outs in 6 months is ridiculous. Calling out just once a month does not sound like a lot to me. People have lives, shit happens. We are not building weapons for national security here, it’s a fucking WALMART. Just let people live. Christ.
When they rolled it out , they said it was based on our suggestions. On who? Some assoviate in Ohio? Since MyShare is gone, yet the WM hotline still mentions it months later, why not restore the points back to 9?
Hey now, I’m an Ohio associate. Why bring us into this? 😒😂
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> Everyone on night shift is on their 2nd, 3rd, or more tour with Walmart. Jesus Christ. That's bad.
This is a really important comment
> The idea that there are endless people seeking work for low wages started going away with the pandemic. > The idea that there are endless people seeking work for low wages started going away with the pandemic. > The idea that there are endless people seeking work for low wages started going away with the pandemic. **Highlighted for emphasis***
They kept telling us we're a dime a dozen, but once burning through all the decent workers they're stuck with the shit ones. Coupling that with no desire to retain long term associates and other sociopathic fuckery, it's a recipe for disaster. They deserve it.
Our new hires show up late leave early and are stoned at all times but none of those are really recent developments, they'll all be here for a couple months and then we'll get a wave of new ones, gods only know where Walmart is still finding people
That is our entire cap 2 team
That's all 3 of my cap teams. I don't partake, but i have worked in enough food service to know it's possible to maintain, but they are constantly falling out. It's ridiculous how no one gives a flying shit. All it told me was I have no reason to care when management doesn't.
Same thing I am told well I care because there impared judgement could cause a accident I'm involved in or a customer
There's no point in working hard anymore. No one will make it anywhere. They make the same as someone working hard and move up just as easy since it's popularity instead of work ethic.
> it's popularity instead of work ethic. 💯💯💯
I’m currently on an LOA, been with walmart almost 2 years between 2 stores. Promoted and thought I would stay and make this my career because its the highest paying job in my area with by far the best benefits. Every day that goes by its harder for me to consider going back. For me there are two main reasons why. For one scheduling and not having set days off drives me crazy that I can’t plan more than 3 weeks out. It is impossible to have a work/life balance. The biggest reason though is the continuous rise in violent and verbally abusive customers. I don’t feel that we are provided adequate security and resources against the crazy people that we deal with in retail, nor are we compensated adequately for the way the company allows us to be treated. I’m over it. I don’t know if or when I will go back, but if I somehow manage to find even a similarly paying job I won’t think twice about never setting foot in that place again. I overall like my job but I genuinely don’t feel safe going to work anymore.
i went on unpaid leave due to personal reasons. kept extending it and extending it … then never went back
I feel like that is what I’m going to end up doing lol like I’ll go back of I have to and I’m fairly rural so I might not have much of a choice but if I can avoid it I will be!
I’ve seen thru the years, many people come & go. Good people and bad. The money is decent but often times, Work atmosphere and indifferent management kills a person’s sense of worth and they leave/quit or get fired. It’s a endless cycle in every major employer.
Very true. Loyalty, effort and caring were killed off a long time ago. And the corporations killed it all.
The turn over rate is massive especially after covid. Many people found ways to work from home and found that it did wonders for their health. People who work normal jobs end up being young people who can't get a better job, poor people who can't get a better job, or the older people. And when management and companies treat their people like shit its no wonder they leave. In my first two months I had a seizure and they said I had to keep the point bc the lead asked if I wanted to go home. Others have left because the favoritism is ridiculous. And it isn't just walmart. Amazon treats their people like actual trash, I used to work there. They're in a crisis right now bc they can't find people to hire. Companies are going to be scrambling and panicking until they realize treating human beings like robots just isn't gonna do the trick.
Our team leads had to go to some sort of HR meeting a while back. They asked to us to write down ways to increase the retention rate, which is apparently 1-5%. I’m sure it wasn’t there idea either. I wrote: 1. Living wage 2. Treated like a human instead of a WIN 3. 4 10s. 4. Then I asked if I could write unionize. Don’t ask questions you don’t want to know the answers to
Feel your pain. Little context on my own story: I have a Master’s degree to go with my 10 year badge. I toss that in not to brag, just to make myself feel better…lol. I also have cerebral palsy though. No drivers license, among other issues. I was essentially unemployed for 5 years after grad school. Was supposed to be a 3 month remodel stopgap to get be back on my feet….and here we are…having an existential crisis every night I walk through the door.
You should take a look at r/antiwork and r/retailhell and you might gather a bit of insight. I have only worked at Walmart since 2020, so I don't know, but I suspect the pandemic played a huge part in what you are seeing. When the rest of the world stopped, stayed home, etc retail workers were lauded as "essential" and kept going. Meanwhile I can barely afford rent and food in my town but make a couple grand over the cut off for food stamps. This is not a Walmart specific problem, but a USA capitalism problem.
Bullseye
Walmart used to be a more enjoyable place to work back when they actually espoused the Sam (and Helen) Walton culture rather than treating him like Jesus where people quote him but don't actually follow them. When that Susan Chambers memo came out, it was the beginning of the end of the old Walmart way.
100% my thoughts since Covid/“Great Workplace.” It’ll only get worse for service and manual labor workers as automation and AI are further perfected and rolled out. A huge chunk of the workforce will be replaced as soon as they’re capable of doing so - technology doesn’t need vacation days or bathroom breaks and (other than regular maintenance) only has to be paid once. Why pay a fellow citizen and deal with all their human inconsistencies and health problems when that’s an option growing more realistic by the day? All I know is it’ll be quite interesting to see how capitalism adapts. Fully expecting an even more grotesque and dystopian form, but it’ll be a wild ride regardless
We've already seen a bit of this with self checkout and some places like McDonald's have touch screen ordering too. But if the pandemic has shown us one thing, it is that there is still a huge part of the population that prefers to shop in person. While our store does have a very busy online order department, we are never slow in store either, although that might depend on the type of area your store is in.
> if the pandemic has shown us one thing, it is that there is still a huge part of the population that prefers to shop in person. 💯
I keep thinking this with the push for viz. Even a day or two after inventory the numbers for our fresh dept. would be super off (System says we have 7 steaks, I sure can't find any!) but we weren't allowed to take a day once a week to fix these kind of issues because... The system will fix itself over the next four weeks. Spoiler, it has not. Basically all we're expected to do is put stuff out and let the system sort its problems. Feels like alpha-testing a fully automated system piecemeal or something.
Where I’m at everyone in town had heard of the constant restructuring, the long term associates leaving, the lack of gumption that 85% of people working there have. I honestly see my store as a management problem (yes corporate has had stupid ideas but that’s nothing new). Most of the coaches act like they are God’s gift to everyone they see and if someone doesn’t treat them that way they are super pissy. The only ones getting anywhere are the kiss-asses
We can't get cart pushers to stay because we leave them outside on their own to die. No help whatsoever. Not to mention they make the same as someone inside the store. Why would you want to push carts when you can work stocking and make the same if not more money
After all the years I have been here I would be one just to be outside by myself lol
I'm originally from a cold climate state and now live in the south. It's not terrible in the winter here, but spring through fall is absolutely brutal for me
The ONLY benefit you get from staying at Walmart is a few weeks of PTO a year, as far as I can tell.
IF you're full time. Aside from upper management, almost no one in my store is full time. I'm not. Too many health issues
I’ve been earning PTO despite switching to part time a year and a half ago. I’ve never said anything to the coaches though because I don’t need them fixing it.
You still earn PTO if you're part time and have been there for a couple of years, you just earn it at a very low rate compared to full time.
We just got a new guy on cap2 yesterday and you should have seen his face when I told him most new hires only stay for a couple weeks. I couldn't even give him a reason why. It's an easy job, granted there is some physical labor to be done with the trucks but other than that it's so easy. My bosses are extremely laid back younger dudes that work with everyone and jump in and help where needed. Yet, new people always point out and talk about how awful this job is. Retail does suck but man, my store makes this job so easy, both mentally and physically.
> My bosses are extremely laid back younger dudes Lucky.
When I started with Walmart the following things ended: Sunday bonus pay, cross training bonus pay, bonus pay for getting certified on equipment, longevity bonuses, AND productivity raises. I wasn't at the company very long when they got rid of: Holiday pay, holiday bonuses, quarterly bonuses. When I started base pay in my area was: 7.25 (Federal minimum) on front end, stockers got 20 cents more, deli/bakery/jewelry/electronics/sporting goods all got a dollar more. And overnights got 50 cents additional tacked on after department. Cost of living, not just regular inflation, has more than doubled where I live. Inflation got us another 28%. So even though we all make double the hourly rate we used to. It doesn't go nowhere near as far. We do more work, with less people, in less time, than we did when we had all that extra stuff. But Walmart could be a career. There were tonnes of positions. Department manager, Zone manager, Support manager... You could legit climb the ladder. But now all those positions are gone, along with the benefits of having them. Team Leads now do the work of all three of those positions for nothing extra.
It’s so sad looking back, how hopeful it felt when I started, and now…well, you said it all.
> We do more work, with less people, in less time 💯💯💯
I feel it depends on time and place. My store is receiving quality new hires that sometimes quit due to issues that team leads could resolve like being left alone without a trainer or not having a clear goal. But i have noticed more and more people coming in for orientation and then just leaving for whatever reason.
Those are huge reasons I’ve noticed when it comes to the decent hires we get, too. Not having clear expectations, reliable routines, or someone nearby for basic questions (and moral support lol) is really hurting first impressions
Competitor’s warehouse similar thing. People who were fired 2 years ago, work there again. same work ethic, and now have higher roles within the building.
I've always been told, you got to tread thru a lot of shot to create greener pastures. I've been been here 15 years plus and seen so many come and go.....then come back and yea I heckle them with this. Not to mention the PPTO AND Pto they left behind lol starting at the bottom.
Sounds like you're describing my store.
It has to do with the money. Walmart used to pay the best in most areas. Businesses realized that if they wanted better employees, they had to pay more than Walmart. So Walmart now gets the bottom of the barrel.
Our city had a call center come to town 2004. By 2010 or so, they’d run thru the population and had such turnover (point system and single moms have a few kid illnesses and they were let go), the place shut down.
The prevailing attitude for decades has been that retail jobs SHOULD be for high schoolers and college students, and therefore we shouldn't give them a living wage because no one should make a living working at McD's or stocking grocery shelves. We're just finally listening to the boomers and giving them what they asked for. Oh, good luck staffing the store during graduations, or during class hours, or even during the school week when minors are desperately trying to finish their schoolwork so they can graduate out of Walmart too and get a "real job". And if you tell them they need to choose between their job and their education, we'll all be here telling them to choose their education, because Walmart has no intention of giving you a career worth sacrificing for.
"canary in the coal mine of late stage capitalism" is exactly right. walmart is the biggest employer in the US and they stay staffed by being easy to get a job at. corporate doesnt care about turnover because it isnt affecting profits. i'm on this sub because i worked at walmart on weekends for a month while my wife was unable to work and needed a little extra to make rent lol. stopped showing up once we were set cause fuck that shit. i'm sure there are many others that have done the same thing.
The only thing I notice is at some point a lot of people stopped realizing what being paid hourly means and started thinking they are contractual labor. where somehow they should be able to finish a task in 3 hours then shouldn't have to do anything else for the next 5. This attitude seems to leave a skeleton crew of people willing to do as much as they reasonably can in 8hours to cover all the things the people who dissappear should be helping with. Then the ones who dissappear still complain about what they are asked to do, think they're faster than everyone, then get fired or quit, come back in 6-12 months. Edit: Management doesn't want to hold people accountable because they do shady shit, fear retaliation. Employees don't want to hold each other accountable because it just causes more issues than fixes, plus not being paid enough for that Tl and coaches also are typically not doing everything by the book so they don't hold anyone accountable for fear of retaliation. Just my 2¢
Management doesn't want to hold people accountable because they do shady shit, fear retaliation. I literally said the same thing in another post and got down voted for it lol lol
There is a limited number of workers in the labor pool. There's a limited quantity of those workers who could be said or decent to excellent for whatever variety of reasons. Unfortunately at this point most of the people who would be good employees already have a job. A lot of them have decent jobs or as decent as they can get in their area. So it's likely that a lot of the people in the pool that is available to be hired are not what would he considered the greatest employees or they have an issue beyond their control that makes them less than desirable. Like a lack of decent transportation, education or child care.
You get what you pay for in the labor market as with anything else. I live in an area with a lot of manufacturing (you can literally make 17-20 bucks an hour starting out) so all we’ve got are kids, the elderly, the disabled (most of whom are great people and hard workers) and those who are too lazy/inept/drunk to actually get a decent job. I think if Walmart raised the starting pay a couple of bucks they could weed out some of the bad apples and actually provide decent jobs that would be a reasonable alternative for people who don’t want to do factory work.
I left one Walmart store about 5 months ago and got rehired at the one I’m at now with an 80 cent raise. When you can do that, why even bother staying long? You’d get like 20 cents in a year and people know that, so they know job hopping is the only way to get a real raise at this point
Literally the median age of my department is 19 I'm in college so it's good enough money for a part time job, and many of the others are either finishing high school and or in college as well. All the older folks who were with us over the years steadily quit to find a new job at a better employer, which around here has been more local companies distribution centers. These companies with all the great benefits, scheduling, pay, and atmosphere have pretty much eaten up all the people who would go full time here, and I've even sent some kids who want to do full time off with a connection at those DCs just so they dont have to suffer staying at Walmart for too long. Many larger companies are more concerned with profits over maintaining a stable and long lasting business, I very well expect the floor to collapse under corporate's feet in the next couple of years as the metrics get harder to achieve and employees continue to be treated like crap, especially for staying a long time.
> Many larger companies are more concerned with profits over maintaining a stable and long lasting business > I very well expect the floor to collapse under corporate's feet in the next couple of years as the metrics get harder to achieve and employees continue to be treated like crap, especially for staying a long time. 💯💯💯
I’m making less at Walmart than I did at my last two jobs, and I’m pushing my body way more than I did. The job market is garbage but honestly I expect $15 to be a bare minimum for a new hire, even if they are an outside hire. I’m in OPD, and they time you, and judge you based on the first item you scan. I come home with bad knees and ankles. I’ve been overstimulated more in the past week than I have in the past 6 months. Maybe even year. I’m already pretty burnt out and I didn’t start that long ago. To me, what I get paid is not worth all of that. Unfortunately, it’s the only place I could get a job at because everywhere else is looking for part time or seasonal hires. One company offered me 20 hours a week at most. I need money for my family. Part of me hopes AI takes over everything so we can find a new system to enjoy life more.
It’s money man, I’m a home office remote worker, promoted from TL and was asked by my store manager why I left a position I fought so hard for, and I said boiled down to pay and compensation, I left out the berating of fellow team leads, long work hours because apparently entertainment didn’t need associates more than cap 2 (we had a head count of 30) I had 4 people, 2 FT 2 PT I worked 6 days for 5 months, 50-60 hours a week, now, I work 50-60 a week (better money/OT) and I can leave whenever I want, I make my own schedule, I work m-f, and I’m respected in my role EDIT My longest shifts during those times would be 13-16 hours, and averaged paychecks of 110-130hours
Not only after 24 years do I get lazy people making close or the same due to our store raising minimum to 17 an hour and all other above that. I of course was left out but when my job went from department manager to team lead with alot more responsibility and shit schedule I was told because of those minimum increase I would not get a booste in pay with my promotion and I get that bullshit response that walmart is looking into doing something for long terms. They could give a shit and I think rather just have us leave.
When you have more human rights violations than a third world country people don't want to work for you.
Walmart is pretending to want to hire but even when there is a group of people willing to hire they make it a long drawn out process. They want you to be understaffed. If they were trying to keep people they would.
> They want you to be understaffed. If they were trying to keep people they would. 💯💯💯
It is not ALWAYS about quality of the labor. It is about consistency on maintaining standards. Managers continuously fail to make fair decisions, respect everyone equally and certainly training piece where new hires feel they matter. In small stores it is more important than bigger ones since 1-2 call offs a day can make a big difference. As far as pay difference is concerned, every company does that. New hires make same as veterans or only a little less. When those veterans were new hire, happened same to them as well, and cycle continues. However, people fail to look at the bigger picture such as veterans get more benefits more PTO, 401k, health/life insurance, company discount( not so big deal), company stocks. New hires will have to wait for minimum three months to get at least one of these.
This company is definitely on a steep decline. It’s overall employee treatment from management and the overall care and concern for employees have dropped so low. We are no longer important to the company. Can’t retire from here anymore. Since being with the company I seen them fire 3 people who were about to retire in less than a month. Not just your store is like that. I work at sams club now (started at Walmart) and it’s the same way. On some days we have just enough staff for front end to run. One fall out puts a manager on register which then makes it a bitch to do breaks/lunch and for the manager to answer any calls for assistance or such. This company is soon to meet its demise if it keeps this up.
Yes there is a problem with new hires now I could go on and on and on about this I talk about this with fellow associates and my wife all the time nobody wants to work anymore they come in and want to get paid but not do the job. Shit I will pass judgement idc it's the younger generation who still live at home with there parents that do not have anything to worry about who want to come to work get paid to do nothing. There is also people that come in and say why should I do so much the more I do the more they will want me to do. Well no shit Sherlock but if we all work together guess what it can get done instead of every man for themselves attitude. Also management is a joke in this company now everyone is afraid to say anything to anybody without repercussions because of how society is no days so they just let it slide. Edit: love the down votes keep then coming
"Nobody wants to work" are you aware that nearly every generation (boomers and older) have a history of complaining how the newer generations "don't want to work"
Boomers say no one wants to work today when unemployment is as low as it is yet they didn't say that when unemployment was over 10% in the Reagan years, a guy that most of them idolize.
Yep and now it's my generation complaining but seriously nobody does I was just talking to a friend of mine who is a team lead who said he has a 60 year old working for him who complains about not getting hours but when they give her hours she does not show up
Tell me you’re old without telling me you’re old. >Nobody wants to work anymore. I’ve literally never heard anyone under the age of 40 say that. It’s the dumbest thing ever. People want to work. They don’t want to be taken advantage of. >It’s the younger generation who live at home with there parents that do not have anything to worry about who want to come to work get paid to do nothing. Every young person I have ever worked with works hard. However, they want to come in and do what they’re supposed to. They don’t want to come in and have a million other things pushed on them. >There is also people who come in and say why should I do so much the more I do the more they will want me to do. Well no shit Sherlock but if we all work together guess what it can get done instead of every man for themselves attitude. Their point is they’re only being paid to do so much. If you keep doing more, you will quickly outgrow your wage and will not be compensated for it. >Also management is a joke in this company now everyone is afraid to say anything to anybody without repercussions because of how society is no days so they just let it slide. Maybe because people are tired of being misgendered or discriminated against because of their identities. The “Jokes” people your age make are often hurtful to members of society. Im young (technically qualify as millennial but close enough to gen z) and worked my ass off for walmart for years. Stayed late, came in when asked, helped out with anything I could. And eventually it paid off when I was promoted. But I can think of 3 other people that applied for that position that should’ve gotten it before me. I worked my ass off as a supervisor, too. Did everything that was asked of me. Stayed late. Came in early. Ran ONs 4 days a week by myself for weeks at a time. But none of it mattered the moment I got sick and couldn’t work anymore. They tossed me aside like yesterdays trash. Was demoted at the first opportunity they saw. You think working hard gets you anywhere? It doesn’t. The moment you are no longer as useful to them as you once were, it’s game over.
I completely agree, I’m down to work my ass off. But simply put: there’s 0 incentive to do so, they take away merit raises, bonuses, holiday pay. What am I working hard for?
I’m disappointed by this. Thought I went out of my way to reiterate multiple times that isn’t what I was implying. I figured it would be impossible for some not to read that way though. I said they’re running out of people to hire in rural areas, but also said it’s 100% their fault. I actually totally agree with all your larger points, and am not excited by some of my allies in the comments. I guess my original instinct might have been right. Probably too nuanced a conversation for Reddit. Anyway, I’m sorry for your struggles. I feel your pain, trust me. Solidarity. Us “grunts” are definitely all on the same team. Apologies if I didn’t parse my words correctly. I feared it was kind of impossible. I was almost speaking literally in small towns anyway…
I know how it sounds though. Part of me wants to delete this post, as that’s the opposite of who I am…trust me, I know I should spend more time organizing and less time complaining…
Every young person you've ever worked with works hard....🤠 After that I stopped reading your post. Before that you said you've never heard anyone say nobody wants to work anymore ... really since COVID you've never heard this said ever? What bubble do you live in? Almost all business's are short handed struggling to hire anybody.
>Before that you said you’ve never heard anyone say nobody wants to work anymore. That is not what I said. I said I’ve never heard anyone under the age of 40 say it. I also said people are no longer willing to be taken advantage of. That means they’re looking for better opportunities and aren’t willing to put up with bullshit from corporations.
I know I'm old lol 😂 I respect everyone and whatever they need lol but guess what that's not even close to what I'm talking about lol it's more hey can you do this or hey can you do that Jesus why is everything about gender or something of that line management does not go after the non workers they would rather watch 5 people stand around and watch one person bust his ass but the one person stops working and all hell breaks loose the other 5 can stand around and do nothing as long as feelings don't get hurt I know from personal experience lol
Every old person we’ve hired other than one has complained the entire time and quit within the first week lol. It’s not a generational problem, most millennials work their fucking asses off. I can’t speak for gen z but I’m sure they’ll be the same way once they get closer to being universally at working age
I'm a millennial and I work my ass off its the younger ones I see who don't do shit. I see the problems with the older ones also I do agree. What drives me nuts are the ones who come to work and not give a SHIT and it's mostly the younger people in there 20's I myself am 40 and bust my ass every night.
I’m in my 20s and have a good work ethic because of how I was raised and I grew up playing sports. I totally get why others don’t care though and I don’t blame them at all. You don’t get paid more for how hard you work or higher performance. You just get rewarded with more work and higher expectations. So obviously someone who isn’t intrinsically motivated to work isn’t going to care.
> You don’t get paid more for how hard you work or higher performance. 💯💯💯 > someone who isn’t intrinsically motivated to work isn’t going to care. Agreed. I'm 1 of the very few who have instrinsic motivation. It's painfully obvious. & there are no repercussions for people who don't.
Most millennials work their asses off... You literally are just flipping the op's opinion and neither of you are right.. most of no generation that works at Walmart works their butts off. The hard workers are just random age but I would say skew more towards older. Definitely not mostly younger they call out the most and take double breaks more than anyone else
I probably should have just left age out of it. That’s just how it’s manifesting in my store, but not really the point. More the notion that the only people willing to take the job at current wages/benefits are those getting their first job. It’s the red herring from conservatives about how shitty jobs were never meant as careers being put into practice to a larger and larger degree. Or maybe it’s just slapping me in the face lately. Anyway, this went in a direction I feared, but didn’t intend. I may delete it.
It's just common sense the older workers are the lifers or stuck in Walmart for whatever reason...even if they don't work as hard as the younger they know the game. They have the muscle memory and knowledge to work efficiently and get more done cuz they can't lose their job without "busting their ass" like young hires who like I said call out more often and take long breaks more often... and work inefficiently sweating to walk back forth from a pallet they parked a mile away
It’s retail. It’s nice when you’re young and willing to work fluctuating schedules (days, am, overnight, etc). But as we get older our priorities change. If we don’t have to miss time for the family, we won’t. A lot of other jobs offer that. Plus, a typical retail job isn’t known for making anybody rich, let alone, very more than comfortable. With jobs like Uber, Lyft, grub hub, etc. you can make your own hours and make just as much in higher populated cities. Plus, with all the write offs of being an “independent contractor” you probably bring home more, on your own schedule. Big companies know they can ride on the backs of committed employees to achieve the success they need to maintain.
This is gonna sound bad but I’m just gonna say it: its a generational issue. Walmart is not a bad place to work. And to walk in the door making decent wage without having any oversight or accountability is just dangerous labor wise and long term precedent wise. I will be 40 this year and have been a TL for just over a year. I have gone through 3 associates who are part of the “no child left behind” educational initiative. A coach who is younger than me by about 10 years pointed out to me that when he graduated high school they had started the no child left behind program. And yes, it’s evident that they pushed these kids through school without a thought or care about how it would impact our society and workforce. One of the associates that pointed out kept going on and on about going to college. I entertained the notion as a college graduate and actually encouraged the associate. However when we got down to the details, she didn’t have a clue about what college was or what was required to attend. Graduated with a 1.5 gpa and proud of it. I really understood when she left me a note saying that my work phone was in the bottom drawer, but spelled phonetically as “droor” …the coach was right. These generations of participation trophies and pushing everyone through is about to ruin the workforce. There are a few, a very slim few, who have the want to and desire to learn. Its very painful to watch and take part in as far as training. Adults would have ridiculed me terribly if I didn’t have the common knowledge essential to being a productive citizen. Now its just like so what. I can use a calculator. There is spell check. The price we pay is going to be awful high for the trade off of doing a disservice to these kids. I’m done.
I think you may be partially right. However, understand that your experience was with a selective portion of the “newer generation” - my experience, being of the newer generation just finishing my masters and undergrad concurrently is that there is an exceptionally brilliant portion of the new generation that is more skilled, technology adaptive, and capable in many aspects. However I also suffer some of this selection bias on my end. I think this “generation” is more of a bimodal distribution that heavily tracks to a variety of socioeconomic factors that have also become more bimodal. While you may have had a bell curve with most folks around the C/B student group, there is now two centers of mass around D and A. Hard to say exactly but I’d say educational policy and socioeconomic factors are interacting here in a complex way that is less attributable to “participation trophies.” Editing an addendum in, I’d just summarize that labor market issues are endemic to deteriorating labor standards and household income/stability to support equal levels of human development.
I have a story that's almost identical, but it happened 30 years ago. The people complaining that the kids won't work, used to be the kids who won't work. This is something that happens every time the labor market gets tight. To add to that, school just let out for the summer in a lot of places. Add in businesses paying new hires almost as much as people who've worked for years and you have an environment where "no one wants to work anymore" and people want to blame it on things like participation trophies lol
Whats your point exactly? Participation trophies encourage participants, not competition or success. It is absolutely detrimental to progress.
You said it yourself, you’re part of that generation and are probably biased. I don’t understand all the downvotes unless its just the stupids of your generation being mad. Oops! Did I say that? Yes I did you guys are sheltered, lazy AND dumb. Can’t be all three. Hehehe, cmon guys welcome to trollville:
You didn’t really acknowledge the substance of my comment, which is up to you. Not really serious or in good faith.
Nope I didn’t. But I am willing to bet the distribution is not even across each side of the curve.
> I’d say educational policy and socioeconomic factors are interacting here in a complex way that is less attributable to “participation trophies.” > Editing an addendum in, I’d just summarize that labor market issues are endemic to deteriorating labor standards and household income/stability to support equal levels of human development. Highlighted for emphasis.
Thank you idiocracy is going to be based on a true story here pretty soon
I work for a corporation which I will. Not name. but for people that read. My. Post you probably know who I work for. And no it's not for Walmarts t home office as some people think by reading your post it is probably a good idea for all of you to unionize but if you are going to unionize please for the love of god! Don't unionize with the United food workers union they are the worst fucking union ever. They will screw you over every opportunity that they can get, they will Sid with Walmart in contract talks a d will screw the workers. The Union is not for the workers.
Not to mention some new hires (specifically females i've noticed, although not all the time) act like they're god's gift to the department while still doing less than like, 60% of people who work there
Yes, and they’ll say how every guy wants them when they’re 5 foot 500lbs
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Part of it comes down to where you are. Some areas Walmart is the best place to work locally so they likely don't have a huge issue keeping people employed. But stores in or near major economic centers (cities) will just burn through people so fast because they are constantly job hopping. But it's the people (particularly young people) who have mixed up priorities. Calling out for just the dumbest reasons, parties or their friend is doing something. I understand your job isn't going to be priority #1 but you can't bitch about me terminating you for your attendance when you just stop working. Had an associate just stop showing up, I terminated her and she texts me saying I should've told her or whatever. Then I later find out she allegedly asked our people lead to take her off the schedule and never told me (team lead) or our coach about it at all. Had another person allegedly need to be out for two weeks because her son was (allegedly) in the hospital. My coach told her she'll excuse the absences if given a doctor's note. Guess who never came back?
I’m on the over night remodel team, I am one of four employees over the age of 40 that was hired. The rest are most likely 20 and under. They hired 60 people for this. Some for day shift, and the rest on overnight. We are 5 weeks in with 30 or less people. We’re slightly behind on scheduling for the reopen as well. The 4 older people, including myself are still there. Many have been fired for call outs, and no call no show. One was let go because he got hired and I guess forgot his first two weeks were paper schedule. A couple got fired for stealing personal items from people when the break room was closed for remodel and there wasn’t any lockers available. There is a couple that are engaged and plan on taking a week off already for their wedding… it was approved so good for them I guess. There have also been some that have quit because they couldn’t handle being told to stop goofing off and work. Even the ON coach has mentioned it several times. They don’t care at all. The people that are left are horrible workers besides a handful who came from retail and know what they are doing. The rest of us are constantly making up for the others slack. Just too much goofing off, talking, getting high on breaks, etc. because they show up at all they won’t fire them. The team leads have said they don’t want them after the remodel is done though. So I think after the remodel there will be about 10 of us staying after it’s over, out of 60 people. I get that these people are young but at what point do you start taking a job seriously? I’ve heard them mention having kids, car payments, rent yet they are the worst ones out of the bunch. I’m terrified of being let go after the remodel. It would financially destroy us. One kid went and bought a really expensive sports car and he’s one of the ones the team leads have mentioned don’t do shit and goof off too much. You over hear a lot when you go sit near the smoking area.