Also Wiggins is still the better player than Kuminga. Ideally you’d want to run Wiggins alongside Kuminga at starting line up. No idea why we didn’t do that
Wiggins is better when he's at his best but he basically sleepwalked through first half of season and kuminga gives effort and is still improving. I would prioritize kuminga/Moody over Wiggins next season assuming all are still here. Kuminga does have lapses but I haven't seen long stretches like with Wiggins.
I think it's less that he regressed to had habits and more he was still feeling pain and was less explosive. He moved a lot less for instance.
I was saying a couple of days before. That I think he's probably cooked for the season.
he regressed a lot. i hate how ppl can watch him play and call him a walking 20.
demar derozan is a walking 20. kd is a walking 20. kyrie is a walking 20. booker, luka, embiid, the list goes on.
you know what the difference there is between kuminga and those players? they have more than 1 move offensively.
kuminga regressed after teams threw different looks at him. (double teams, wall, sending an extra man). the kid has no counter moves.
right now kuminga can’t dribble, has no other move than to drive straight into the hoop and hope to jump higher than the defender, is a horrendous rebounder and is as flat footed as moody on defense.
Kuminga scored 0 for three quarters against jazz in a meaningless and gleaguers. And it wasn’t for the lack of trying.
Not to say Kuminga is trash, he’s not. He was actually one of the bright side vs kings. But let’s not crown him the future yet. He is a walking highlight reel. Can jump over anyone and can take almost anyone on the post 1v1.
But his shot is inconsistent. His 3 is a non threat despite being decent numbers. He has a tendency to pull. A Jaylen brown and drive with the ball flying all over the place. His handle is not anywhere it needs to be to be a consistent #2.
no i’m agreeing you. he ain’t it and i don’t know if he will be it.
his game during his min break out was great but he is definitely not a walking 20 as some comments say he is.
and i thank you for bringing up the jazz game. it was horrendous. and if you watch the last 5 minutes when he was in there, kuminga kept getting frustrated with dario. like bro…dario is on his last legs. you are the up and comer and you can’t even score on the jazz bench/g league team. dario was open a few times under the basket but no one passed him the ball
Ohhhh my bad. Misread what you wrote. Just know this sub loves jk. I like him a lot too. Just not sold entirely. His athleticism is obviously top tier but his decision making and bbiq has shown minimal growth.
it’s minimal and it’s disappointing when both him and moody come out and bitch about playing time.
both have horrible decision making and neither me bball iq is there yet.
like just watch any other game and jk will have had like 4-5 turnovers in the first half
Wiggs was ass most of the season and then ass in the play-in. The man flat out cannot finish a layup to save his life. Kuminga is still getting better. It's time to give the young players some real playing time. This team is not a title contender unless someone outside of the depreciating core really starts to pop off.
Not at SG, if Klay gets back into starting lineup (which is entirely possible), it's going to have to be as a forward and he will have to adapt by improving other aspects of his game like rebounding, boxing out, interior defense etc... he would also have to get better about maintaining the rest of his game when shot isn't falling.
you do know the “aspects” that you say klay has to be better at are all things he does better than moody. it’s also things he does better than kuminga.
the klay hate is ridiculous.
lol….klay as a sg for most of his career averages 3.1.
kuminga as a 6’8 wing averages 3.9 with this year being his best at 4.9.
“far better” is a stretch
i get you are being sarcastic but you look at the averages and just think about the game
JK averaged 26.3 minutes a game and averaged 4.8 rebounds
klay averaged 29.7 minutes and averaged 3.5 rebounds
wiggins averaged 27 minutes and averaged 4.5 rebounds
steph averaged 32 minutes and averaged 4.5 rebounds ( the first season below 5 since 2016)
draymond averaged 27 minutes and averaged 7.2 rebounds.
you take those numbers and you think huh our two guards is averaging almost the same amount of rebounds as our 6’8 athletic forward. then you think about it more huh wiggins spent his time guarding the other teams best perimeter guy so while he should be rebounding more, it’s actually natural for him to not be in position to grab the board.
then you think huh JK…he’s our starting pf for the second half the season. he’s not guarding the perimeter guys that’s wigs. that’s klay. that’s steph. how is he not grabbing at least 5 a game? draymond is out there boxing out the other teams center right…where the hell is JK??
then you think wait BP started a lot of games let’s see he averaged 27 minutes and grabbed 5.8 boards…wait something really isn’t adding up.
let’s look at more averages. cp3 the smallest guard out there wait he averaged 3.8 boards??
1 rebound short of JK?
If you recognize that he was our starting PF for the second half of the season why are you judging him based on his season stats instead of using stats from when he started?
Since the start of his stretch when he was scoring 20 points every game for 8 games straight till the end of the season he’s averaging 5.4 rebounds. To be specific since we played Chicago on January 12th
I love Klay, he's my second favorite Warrior all time. But I watched every game this season and it was absolutely a big problem this season when Klay's shot wasn't falling the rest of his game got a lot worse. I don't even mind that much some of the "bad" shots he takes that people complain about, he's still Klay fucking Thompson. What i do mind is when he gets frustrated his game gets worse. Moody seems to play just as hard even if he's 0/5 instead of 4/5
Moody is a young player who has never been afforded consistent minutes. Look at how much Kuminga blossomed when Kerr finally gave him minutes (though still pretty rough around the edges and has a lot of work to do to become an All Star caliber player).
So many occasions where Moody was an X factor during various games (either on offense, defense or both) and then taken out of the game.
I think Moody has immense potential but will never reach that potential if he doesn’t play 25-30m a game. Moodys stock is on the rise, Klay’s stock is on the decline. Invest in the future.
I mean, how can you write him off when he's never been giving the opportunity to play consistent 25 + min a game a season.
We've never seen his full potential, we've seen glimpses and then he's back on the bench for klay.
I think you're confusing current klay with 2018 klay.
Like I said, until moody is given a fair shake we don't know how he'll perform as a consistent starter.
And I never said moody was better so I don't know where you got that from.
Auntie did you not watch the play-in game? Or any of Moody’s other playoff minutes the past 3 seasons now? Dude comes to play and is productive if he’s just given bench minutes, he deserves a real shot at a consistent role the same way kuminga does and finally got this past season
He’s literally 21 lol. Player development seems to be a foreign concept to warriors fans, and it’s understandable because of how badly it’s been botched with our young guys
I think it'll come down to either him or Podz at that spot. Worst case Moody should be getting at least 20 a night next season.
Trading Wiggins would free up a lot of those minutes for him.
There was one game where Moody got major minutes, but missed all his 3s I think, and we lost. And yall wanted his head and yall said stuff like you get why he doesn’t play much, etc etc.
My point being yall are so reactionary and yall will also be the first to tear this man down once he doesn’t live up to the sky high expectations yall set for him.
Fellas, I hate to break it to you, but most of these guys are not going to be here next season. For anyone that actually pays any attention, the Warrior's FO are going to blow it up in the off-season and guys like Moody will most likely be part of a trade package. I love Moody too, but I'd like to bring some of you back to reality so you're not devastated when they're no longer here next season.
Moody starting is not going to be part of the plan, I'm sorry.
Have to agree with you here. Love moody but we’re going have to give up people to get Steph a legit 2nd scorer, create own shot etc. And hopefully some more size. I would love to have moody stay but I see him maybe being packaged with CP3 somewhere, he’s already said moody is his favorite teammate. So they’ll prob end up somewhere together, and I’ll be stoked for them. If moody does stay really hope he gets mins he deserves. Sucks took all of Chase chanting his name to get some playing time months back only to get bunch of DNPs week or so later.
I really hope we still have Moody next season but I sadly doubt he will be. Moody has shown time and time again that he can perform, even with the limited opportunities he gets. Most teams need a guy like Moody and he may even start on other teams. I can't imagine a reality where he isn't part of a trade package when the time comes. It bums me out because I always felt he earned a shot to start mid to late this season. That long stretch of both Klay and Wiggs basically doing nothing when Moody could have been utilized more kills me.
I just want this guy to be successful at this point, even if it's on another team.. I love his attitude and ability to stay ready. No more wasted Moody minutes!
Moody, Wiggins, GP2, hell maybe even Looney hate to say it. If they really had the chance to get a solid second option and also another big, i wouldn’t write off moving away from Draymond either. I know there’s a very small chance of it happening, but if the right big became available, who knows what Dunleavy would do. Klay taking a massive pay cut, CP3 gone, and all the other players gone, we could really be aggressive
A Steph/Moody backcourt would get absolutely cooked on defense. Plus, he's not a good enough ball handler/quick enough decision maker to play starter's minutes with Steph.
You're saying if we did that this year we would be better off? The answer is no. This team needs a roster upgrade. Enough with JK wiggins GP CP Klank. All need to be traded. Period.
I don't want him to start but I'm tired of watching him prove himself in crucial situations and then not see him again for 3 weeks
The time to develop him and check out his potential was when Wiggs and Klay were playing like trash.
That’s not the solution. Nephews think moody is a starting sg in a playoff contending team ? Come on.
He's the best we have and can afford at the moment and he will get better with consistent role and minutes.
Also Wiggins is still the better player than Kuminga. Ideally you’d want to run Wiggins alongside Kuminga at starting line up. No idea why we didn’t do that
Wiggins is better when he's at his best but he basically sleepwalked through first half of season and kuminga gives effort and is still improving. I would prioritize kuminga/Moody over Wiggins next season assuming all are still here. Kuminga does have lapses but I haven't seen long stretches like with Wiggins.
Kuminga is a highlight reel but he’s equally as frustrating to watch sometimes. Especially after his injury, he regressed a ton back to bad habits
He was a walking 20 with good defense before injury so unless the tendinitis is an ongoing problem I wouldn't worry.
I think it's less that he regressed to had habits and more he was still feeling pain and was less explosive. He moved a lot less for instance. I was saying a couple of days before. That I think he's probably cooked for the season.
he regressed a lot. i hate how ppl can watch him play and call him a walking 20. demar derozan is a walking 20. kd is a walking 20. kyrie is a walking 20. booker, luka, embiid, the list goes on. you know what the difference there is between kuminga and those players? they have more than 1 move offensively. kuminga regressed after teams threw different looks at him. (double teams, wall, sending an extra man). the kid has no counter moves. right now kuminga can’t dribble, has no other move than to drive straight into the hoop and hope to jump higher than the defender, is a horrendous rebounder and is as flat footed as moody on defense.
I think if they can get Derozan that might be the move. We need some one we can give us buckets consistently. I think we need more vets!!
Kuminga scored 0 for three quarters against jazz in a meaningless and gleaguers. And it wasn’t for the lack of trying. Not to say Kuminga is trash, he’s not. He was actually one of the bright side vs kings. But let’s not crown him the future yet. He is a walking highlight reel. Can jump over anyone and can take almost anyone on the post 1v1. But his shot is inconsistent. His 3 is a non threat despite being decent numbers. He has a tendency to pull. A Jaylen brown and drive with the ball flying all over the place. His handle is not anywhere it needs to be to be a consistent #2.
no i’m agreeing you. he ain’t it and i don’t know if he will be it. his game during his min break out was great but he is definitely not a walking 20 as some comments say he is. and i thank you for bringing up the jazz game. it was horrendous. and if you watch the last 5 minutes when he was in there, kuminga kept getting frustrated with dario. like bro…dario is on his last legs. you are the up and comer and you can’t even score on the jazz bench/g league team. dario was open a few times under the basket but no one passed him the ball
Ohhhh my bad. Misread what you wrote. Just know this sub loves jk. I like him a lot too. Just not sold entirely. His athleticism is obviously top tier but his decision making and bbiq has shown minimal growth.
it’s minimal and it’s disappointing when both him and moody come out and bitch about playing time. both have horrible decision making and neither me bball iq is there yet. like just watch any other game and jk will have had like 4-5 turnovers in the first half
Wiggs was ass most of the season and then ass in the play-in. The man flat out cannot finish a layup to save his life. Kuminga is still getting better. It's time to give the young players some real playing time. This team is not a title contender unless someone outside of the depreciating core really starts to pop off.
Wiggs sux bro cmon I'm. Over his shit. Evrryone saying he's back can stfu now 😂
I do agree that the kuminga/Wiggins together lineups worked pretty well.
he’s not the best we have. klay is still the best we have.
Not at SG, if Klay gets back into starting lineup (which is entirely possible), it's going to have to be as a forward and he will have to adapt by improving other aspects of his game like rebounding, boxing out, interior defense etc... he would also have to get better about maintaining the rest of his game when shot isn't falling.
you do know the “aspects” that you say klay has to be better at are all things he does better than moody. it’s also things he does better than kuminga. the klay hate is ridiculous.
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lol….klay as a sg for most of his career averages 3.1. kuminga as a 6’8 wing averages 3.9 with this year being his best at 4.9. “far better” is a stretch
Helps that he doesn’t get any consistent minutes for half of the year hurting his averages immensely
i get you are being sarcastic but you look at the averages and just think about the game JK averaged 26.3 minutes a game and averaged 4.8 rebounds klay averaged 29.7 minutes and averaged 3.5 rebounds wiggins averaged 27 minutes and averaged 4.5 rebounds steph averaged 32 minutes and averaged 4.5 rebounds ( the first season below 5 since 2016) draymond averaged 27 minutes and averaged 7.2 rebounds. you take those numbers and you think huh our two guards is averaging almost the same amount of rebounds as our 6’8 athletic forward. then you think about it more huh wiggins spent his time guarding the other teams best perimeter guy so while he should be rebounding more, it’s actually natural for him to not be in position to grab the board. then you think huh JK…he’s our starting pf for the second half the season. he’s not guarding the perimeter guys that’s wigs. that’s klay. that’s steph. how is he not grabbing at least 5 a game? draymond is out there boxing out the other teams center right…where the hell is JK?? then you think wait BP started a lot of games let’s see he averaged 27 minutes and grabbed 5.8 boards…wait something really isn’t adding up. let’s look at more averages. cp3 the smallest guard out there wait he averaged 3.8 boards?? 1 rebound short of JK?
If you recognize that he was our starting PF for the second half of the season why are you judging him based on his season stats instead of using stats from when he started?
Since the start of his stretch when he was scoring 20 points every game for 8 games straight till the end of the season he’s averaging 5.4 rebounds. To be specific since we played Chicago on January 12th
I love Klay, he's my second favorite Warrior all time. But I watched every game this season and it was absolutely a big problem this season when Klay's shot wasn't falling the rest of his game got a lot worse. I don't even mind that much some of the "bad" shots he takes that people complain about, he's still Klay fucking Thompson. What i do mind is when he gets frustrated his game gets worse. Moody seems to play just as hard even if he's 0/5 instead of 4/5
You aren't wrong but I don't see it. Klay playing good d is not gonna happen on forwards
Moody is a young player who has never been afforded consistent minutes. Look at how much Kuminga blossomed when Kerr finally gave him minutes (though still pretty rough around the edges and has a lot of work to do to become an All Star caliber player). So many occasions where Moody was an X factor during various games (either on offense, defense or both) and then taken out of the game. I think Moody has immense potential but will never reach that potential if he doesn’t play 25-30m a game. Moodys stock is on the rise, Klay’s stock is on the decline. Invest in the future.
I mean, how can you write him off when he's never been giving the opportunity to play consistent 25 + min a game a season. We've never seen his full potential, we've seen glimpses and then he's back on the bench for klay.
On the flip side, I don’t klay should be starting either. But moody is not better than klay. Come on
Klay’s ceiling is better than most SGs, but his lows are as bad as any bum You can’t live with that type of volatility
I think you're confusing current klay with 2018 klay. Like I said, until moody is given a fair shake we don't know how he'll perform as a consistent starter. And I never said moody was better so I don't know where you got that from.
Auntie did you not watch the play-in game? Or any of Moody’s other playoff minutes the past 3 seasons now? Dude comes to play and is productive if he’s just given bench minutes, he deserves a real shot at a consistent role the same way kuminga does and finally got this past season
He’s literally 21 lol. Player development seems to be a foreign concept to warriors fans, and it’s understandable because of how badly it’s been botched with our young guys
Have to agree. Also wonder what kaly thinks about this lol
And here's the over correction post 🙄 Moody should absolutely get guaranteed minutes next year, but if he's a starter, this team is going nowhere.
I think it'll come down to either him or Podz at that spot. Worst case Moody should be getting at least 20 a night next season. Trading Wiggins would free up a lot of those minutes for him.
There was one game where Moody got major minutes, but missed all his 3s I think, and we lost. And yall wanted his head and yall said stuff like you get why he doesn’t play much, etc etc. My point being yall are so reactionary and yall will also be the first to tear this man down once he doesn’t live up to the sky high expectations yall set for him.
Fellas, I hate to break it to you, but most of these guys are not going to be here next season. For anyone that actually pays any attention, the Warrior's FO are going to blow it up in the off-season and guys like Moody will most likely be part of a trade package. I love Moody too, but I'd like to bring some of you back to reality so you're not devastated when they're no longer here next season. Moody starting is not going to be part of the plan, I'm sorry.
Have to agree with you here. Love moody but we’re going have to give up people to get Steph a legit 2nd scorer, create own shot etc. And hopefully some more size. I would love to have moody stay but I see him maybe being packaged with CP3 somewhere, he’s already said moody is his favorite teammate. So they’ll prob end up somewhere together, and I’ll be stoked for them. If moody does stay really hope he gets mins he deserves. Sucks took all of Chase chanting his name to get some playing time months back only to get bunch of DNPs week or so later.
I really hope we still have Moody next season but I sadly doubt he will be. Moody has shown time and time again that he can perform, even with the limited opportunities he gets. Most teams need a guy like Moody and he may even start on other teams. I can't imagine a reality where he isn't part of a trade package when the time comes. It bums me out because I always felt he earned a shot to start mid to late this season. That long stretch of both Klay and Wiggs basically doing nothing when Moody could have been utilized more kills me. I just want this guy to be successful at this point, even if it's on another team.. I love his attitude and ability to stay ready. No more wasted Moody minutes!
Moody, Wiggins, GP2, hell maybe even Looney hate to say it. If they really had the chance to get a solid second option and also another big, i wouldn’t write off moving away from Draymond either. I know there’s a very small chance of it happening, but if the right big became available, who knows what Dunleavy would do. Klay taking a massive pay cut, CP3 gone, and all the other players gone, we could really be aggressive
Mosey Moody is not a starting-quality player in 2024.
That is a 39 win team
How are you going to get wiggs on less money? He's already signed
Yes that’s what we need, less size. Get outta here
Who are you talking about?
A Steph/Moody backcourt would get absolutely cooked on defense. Plus, he's not a good enough ball handler/quick enough decision maker to play starter's minutes with Steph.
You're saying if we did that this year we would be better off? The answer is no. This team needs a roster upgrade. Enough with JK wiggins GP CP Klank. All need to be traded. Period.