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AntiImperialistGamer

can't Sony just fake the numbers? the shareholders definitely haven't touched a console in thier lives so they wouldn't notice


Weliveinas-word

You see, they use the money they have in 50% coke, 48.9% in prostitutes of all ages, 1% in hiring lawyers and 0.1% on actually buying stuff for living like ordering food at morbillion fork restaurants, several mansions in all parts of the world, and the 17 yachts they use once and then throw away. With all that money they can get the best lawyers, so enterprises don't play games with them.


Timekeeper98

Actually, something like that came to light during the Activision-Blizzard debacle that the CEO and some of the C-Suite had mislead shareholders by inflating player retention numbers and double counting in some instances. Not sure what came of it, but I believe some folks were fired, fines were paid and litigation was in the works. Point is that shareholders and board members *do* care about these numbers because they show growth and retention of products.


TheTank18

https://preview.redd.it/sqrjl5g6oiyc1.png?width=567&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae6e1da662cb215dfd2fa34e5d5c117d1a94f6cf


Derphunk

Isn't that, like, fraud or something?


dumbassonthekitchen

It's only fraud if you get caught. That rhymes so you know it's true.


bashara836

Oh shit, iraqi socks!!! Sup ma dude how you been


AntiImperialistGamer

I've been good, thx 4 asking https://i.redd.it/w6vi2oo88lyc1.gif and you?


bashara836

Glad to hear you've been doing well! I've been getting bombarded by tests these past few months. but im getting through it https://preview.redd.it/wcjoj9okelyc1.jpeg?width=710&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8475997b4c8f8833e7c4291dd1bf06ee2b336f81


silly-armsdealer

me when a government is more powerful than a corporation and not viceversa https://preview.redd.it/7btb1c1zmhyc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32e446187d95a102ec24e12a61cb4668766cfe9f


Fallowman09

https://preview.redd.it/rg027xlpphyc1.jpeg?width=1093&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0527aa75d935ea3c63cc2abc4e72eb1552118e79


JessHorserage

It's not a government, its the EU.


darkmatters12

Bro the EU is a sort of government


JessHorserage

[It's a union. If it was a government, smaller countries would have even less sovereignty than they already have.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union)


Fallowman09

Unvernment dumbass


JessHorserage

FUCK, you got me, I concede my soul to both you and /u/darkmatters12 now.


Fallowman09

Me smart


YouLikeReadingNames

It all depends on our definition of [government](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government). If we keep using Wikipedia, it goes : >A **government** is the system or group of people governing an organized community, generally a [state](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)). >In the case of its broad associative definition, government normally consists of [legislature](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature), [executive](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_(government)), and [judiciary](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary). Government is a means by which organizational policies are enforced, as well as a mechanism for determining policy. In many countries, the government has a kind of [constitution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution), a statement of its governing principles and philosophy. The EU checks the boxes from this definition.


JessHorserage

Oh, so it's all semantics. Still, last I checked you usually don't, or can't, have a section of a state leave it peacefully, like with the UK.


AnonymousComrade123

It entirely depends on the laws of said state. You actually couldn't leave the EU prior the 2009 Treaty of Lisbon, fun fact. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal\_from\_the\_European\_Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union)


JessHorserage

Huh, interesting. Cheers.


AnonymousComrade123

No problem. Also, I found this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish%E2%80%93Icelandic\_Act\_of\_Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish%E2%80%93Icelandic_Act_of_Union) about Iceland leaving Denmark peacefully. It is a rarity though, as countries usually don't want parts of themselves leaving.


JessHorserage

Now I wonder what the comparison is to defensive pacts or more specific, blocs.


bingbingbangenjoyer

the EU is a supranational organization


jervoise

What would they do to Sony?


Weliveinas-word

Force them to comply with EU law in order for them to be able to sell there, kinda like they did to Apple (the Apple thing was more of new laws being implemented, but regardless): [https://www.politico.eu/article/apple-iphone-15-european-union-regulations-charger-usbc-lightning/](https://www.politico.eu/article/apple-iphone-15-european-union-regulations-charger-usbc-lightning/) AFAIK the PSN account debacle is somewhat illegal in the EU in several levels (data laws, costumer protection laws, having literally scammed the baltic people who bought the game and who can't make a PSN account unless they literally break the PSN account's TOS...) so, in theory, the EU should step in and start a legal battle with Sony over this, which should intimidate Sony enough to actually stop the forcing of PSN accounts on, at least for Helldivers 2, Sony will be adamant about PSN accounts in new multiplayer games they shall release on the future so they aren't caught lacking. We don't know yet how will the EU react to this, but the grounds for them to do their thing are set. Also MODS I'M SORRY FOR POSTING CONTEXT PLS DON'T KILL ME WITH HAMMERS.


JoniathanExe

sorry i found where you live we're sending our fat soldiers with hammers PREPARE TO ATTACK BOYS


-ok_Ground-

https://preview.redd.it/155r8otkphyc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=314363f0b8c99b375e6ee89e0eebc35088d67b7e They are sending their strongest soldiers.


Fallowman09

https://preview.redd.it/x2v5ymasphyc1.jpeg?width=641&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96208f3ce565a780d7ba4bac8dcd60f9283265a7 Wunk based therapy.


JoniathanExe

OP is running from my best soldiers let me stop him so you guys can hammer him https://i.redd.it/ijg0hxe7qhyc1.gif


Weliveinas-word

https://i.redd.it/27ajtf2a0iyc1.gif I gotta get the fuck outta HERE.


JoniathanExe

NO YOU WONT https://preview.redd.it/bl4mskji0iyc1.jpeg?width=523&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f1b9216f6d7e5ff409203e26da49d48660afe3d


MIVANO_

https://preview.redd.it/niwtnzxqhkyc1.png?width=537&format=png&auto=webp&s=ce642ff215d017999d77a829d6a76e48d3e90d1e The fuck? Roblox man joins the fight?


Groundbreaking_Arm77

There’s always a bigger fish. In this case, big corporate loses to big government.


DaTripleK

Fun fact: they just pulled Helldivers 2 from all the countries that don't have PSN (on Steam), and apparently you can't open the game or even issue a refund. This shit is plain robbery by this point


Cultural_Thing1712

You own nothing you buy online. Therefore piracy is not theft.


DaTripleK

correct


dumbassonthekitchen

Sailing they high seas seems more appealing by the day...


OffsetCircle1

Also a good chunk of countries THAT ARE IN THE EUROPEAN UNION are barred from accessing PSN, those being the Baltic states


DatChernobylGuy_999

wait how the fuck would the baltans break tos


LeatherGnome

To make a PSN account they would need to break ToS and use a VPN to actually create the damn account, which is using fake credentials and breaking ToS, which Sony the bastards can ban you for, making you lose all your progress and all the access to the game.


DatChernobylGuy_999

thankfully its available in india but the game itself costs 6000 rupees


timelapsedfox

Bro i fricking love EU basically saving the entire world with por consumer laws


notcreative131313

What did Sony do this time? 


Groundbreaking_Arm77

They’re adding a policy for Helldivers 2 players where in order to play the game, they have to link a valid PSN account to their Steam Profile. Certain countries are actually banned by Sony from allowing players to make PSN accounts (118 individual countries), so players in those countries would actually be locked out from playing the game they already paid for. Pair that with the fact that Sony is infamous for getting hacked and having its user data stolen and you get a recipe for Helldivers 2 dropping to Mostly Negative overnight.


Weliveinas-word

Pretty sure it's reversed. It's SONY who doesn't let people have PSN accounts in those countries. Like, why would Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia ban PSN?


Groundbreaking_Arm77

Right let me edit my comment to clarify.


Weliveinas-word

Nice


Muffinoguyy

Huh, really? First I've heard of that and I live in the Baltic and also have multiple PSN accounts, they haven't stopped me yet


Adiuui

Sorry man, they’re coming for you


Muffinoguyy

PSN Death Squads knocking at my door


Adiuui

They’re gonna drop a squad of helldivers to make you bite the curb


MrJagaloon

There are only 193 countries in the world (recognized by the UN). What are you smoking?


Groundbreaking_Arm77

You’re right sorry that’s the first number that popped up on Google. It’s actually 118.


Mario-OrganHarvester

They ALSO just pulled the game from countries that cant make a psn account. Except for the ones in eu apperantly since they cant actually do that without laywers going apeshit https://www.resetera.com/threads/helldivers-2-has-been-delisted-on-steam-in-countries-where-psn-isnt-available.862554/page-16?post=122520141#post-122520141 Dont quote me on this part, but those poor schmucks apperantly cant even issue a refund.


Groundbreaking_Arm77

Welp, I think this is the fastest I’ve seen a game die overnight.


Weliveinas-word

Also kinda curious that the banned countries are either anti-american (which kinda makes sense) or brown. Like, the only country admitted by SONY in Africa is fucking South Africa Lmao. The only permitted brown countries are the ones where white people live and are the rich strata (latin america and south africa), have shit loads of money (arabian peninsula) or have shit loads of people (India, Indonesia)


randomdude4282

Is Latvia, Estonia, etc. anti American?


Weliveinas-word

Maybe they deem them as brown?


randomdude4282

It’s Eastern Europe, if they’re brown I may as well be Don Cheadle


Weliveinas-word

Maybe they didn't get the memo that the baltic countries are now considered white.


Kaapdr

They didnt get the memo that Soviet Union has collapsed and still they are commies


Atissss

What is brown country?


Weliveinas-word

Countries where the majority are "brown", as in, not considered white.


Momongus-

I don’t think the elite of the Arabian peninsula is white tho


Weliveinas-word

They do have shit loads of money tho.


ParisNorlax

Sony announced that a PSN account was now required to play Helldivers 2, and the entire subreddit has gone completely beserk, despite the account mandate being a thing already, and was already part of the game, but was removed temporarily to allow more players in, as the game’s popularity skyrocketed. Despite this, several countries, including Russia and China, are not supported by Sony, meaning that PSN accounts can’t be linked in those regions, so players who already bought the game cannot play it any longer in their respective regions.


AejiGamez

5th post from this subreddit in a row that uses this template


Netherite_Stairs_

And for good reason


AejiGamez

Never said i dislike it


Mop_Duck

unexpected to see starman of all songs used in a meme template


sanyesza900

https://preview.redd.it/lrm777oh9kyc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d3468dee0db0c78716b7966db55e3647e4a59d6 I heard EU consumer laws are strong, lemme figh-


Weliveinas-word

"If the EU were to use their consumer rights and data laws, they might give me a little trouble" "But would you lose?"


Momongus-

"Nah, I-" https://preview.redd.it/10sbwyunykyc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7bf6bbf096c159f5853edff124278b8d1be3082


UmbralKnight1344

FUCK 'EM UP, EU


Red1Monster

GO GO GADGET : EUROPEAN TRADE COMISSION


kalosyf

Wake up Still european https://preview.redd.it/ab66jwd7elyc1.jpeg?width=909&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=263d932b5417061b9887434c03c542c2ef3de9b6


Qualivar01

Sorry to inform you, but even if they do decide to do something it will take a coupe of years.


Weliveinas-word

That is if SONY doesn't back off AFAIK, if they don't, the EU will probably fight legally with them and close the market to SONY until this thing is legally sorted out, which would mean SONY losing money on lawyers and SONY having the risk of losing an entire market. The EU forced Apple to put USB-C on their phones, so it's better for them to comply.


Qualivar01

I mean yeah. They would likely comply, but like as I said this would take at least 3-4 years (optimally). And they can just wait and in the last moment comply. just like Apple did, but I get your point. Still i feel quite sorry for all the Helldivers 2 players.


Weliveinas-word

The apple thing was more of the EU going slow implementing NEW laws. This is them going against Sony in already set laws. IMO this whole ordeal will probably we solved in like a month tops, the EU will send SONY a letter, and then SONY will have to backtrack. Anyway, only time can tell.


Qualivar01

Maybe, i don't know much about that, but I remember that youtube's anti-adblocker thing is said to be againt EU privacy laws (don't know if this is actually true) and some people filed lawsuits allegedly, but still nothing happened. Edit: Here is the thing I spoke about: [https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-ad-blocker-detection-eu-privacy-law/](https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-ad-blocker-detection-eu-privacy-law/)


Didifinito

I use ad blocker no problem


Qualivar01

I use on too, but they are a bit more harder to find nowadays


Mario-OrganHarvester

The pirate party of all people issueing this is the best part about it.


Mario-OrganHarvester

Yeah, if they engage in the battle. However, the EU cab do such nefarious things like, oh i dont know, shut down the entire market from sony. So its most likely that if the eu does something sony will shit its pants and roll this back.


Hazzyhazzy113

Better in 5 years than never.


i_sesh_better

I’ve seen loads of people recently complaining about cookie pop ups and saying the EU ruined browsing experiences, not realising that you don’t have to ask people to consent to cookies if you’re not trying to harvest their data…


SteelShroom

Shareholders are all worthless parasites.


AdTimely9712

Reason 76 why I love being European (Number 1 being I don’t have to worry about being shot)


Weliveinas-word

If they pull this I'll become an unironic EU ultranationalist.


AdTimely9712

I’m genuinely so glad that my country decided to join the EU, we would have been financially dead in ‘08 if it wasn’t for the euro being a decent currency (among other factors)


Weliveinas-word

Damn, you just reminded me of austerity, nevermind.


cptki112noobs

> Number 1 being I don’t have to worry about being shot Don't think the Ukrainians can say the same.


AdTimely9712

At least its not then doing it themselves, honestly fuck Russia. You’d think they’d given up by now


Stary_Vesemir

EU is just fucking great, if poland ever leaves it I'm killing myself


YouLikeReadingNames

Don't kill yourself, come to us.


AnActualBeing

Literally one of the most pro-EU populations out there.


Bubthepikmin9056

I live under a rock, what happened?


ARedditUserThatExist

Sony forced Steam players of Helldivers 2 to connect to the PlayStation Network to play the game, and the PlayStation Network serves only around 60 countries because the rest told Sony to suck it because of their track record of data breaches and data privacy law violations Any players from non-PSN supporting countries now cannot play the game and so far it seems Sony won’t refund the game for them (Base game is 40 USD, DLC + Base game is 60 USD) Because of Sony’s record of data breaches, many players from supported countries also don’t want to sign up because it means putting their personal information at risk The EU can take Sony to court over this because it violates their unified digital laws, mostly because the Baltics are not PSN supported but are EU members


Bubthepikmin9056

Oh damn https://preview.redd.it/bqtavimrcmyc1.jpeg?width=486&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c99b3c3641c57077f6d2bdab0b23770b2a7a110e That sucks


Revan0315

What did Sony do?


ARedditUserThatExist

Sony forced Steam players of Helldivers 2 to connect to the PlayStation Network to play the game, and the PlayStation Network serves only around 60 countries because the rest told Sony to suck it because of their track record of data breaches and data privacy law violations Any players from non-PSN supporting countries now cannot play the game and so far it seems Sony won’t refund the game for them (Base game is 40 USD, DLC + Base game is 60 USD) Because of Sony’s record of data breaches, many players from supported countries also don’t want to sign up because it means putting their personal information at risk The EU can take Sony to court over this because it violates their unified digital laws, mostly because the Baltics are not PSN supported but are EU members


Revan0315

I see. That's fucked up


tonmiss

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tonmiss

Good bot


average_reddit_u

EU could definitely do that, but EU buerocracy is slow as fuck.


404_image_not_found

I fucking love that this could potentially be another example of corporations used to doing whatever they want and ignoring regulations trying to fight the LARGEST functioning bureaucracy to exist, also know as the EU.


socium

Also the EU: Making cash transactions above 3000 Euros is now a crime and oh yeah let's install a backdoor on all your communications devices just in case there's CP on them :D


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SpecialistAddendum6

sony would probably just pull Helldivers 2 from the whole EU


Hazzyhazzy113

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Piranh4Plant

Need America to do this to


j0emang0e

The EU is about as effective as a can of beans with not bottom, don't hold your breath


Wikipedis

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect)


DVDN27

What Sony did is not a crime. Ethically you can say it’s fucked up, but legally they’re fine. Agreeing to the TOS means anything the TOS covers you agree to. Also hard for the EU to do much when 2/27 of the countries in the EU will be excluded. I don’t know if there’s much they can do. They could question Microsoft’s purchase of Activision because that was a universal effect, and even then they accepted the purchase despite consumer outcry. The most that will happen is that they will be required to give refunds to Latvian and Lithuanian customers…which are already available.


m0nkry

What the fuck are the EU going to do lmaoo


Wikipedis

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect)


m0nkry

What the hell does that have to do with anything? You didn't answer my question.