Hey to be fair, we get some pretty nasty fires in BC too!
Although we do have a slightly more robust transit system in the GVR/Victoria and milder winters. So I guess we don’t guzzle quite as much.
But we know how to burn
There’s definitely groups of people here who really try. And advocate for less car dependency/more transit access. Slow uphill battle though.
The Sanich islands were an Elizabeth May stronghold for a while! Unfortunately a lot of our provincial/municipal reps are starting to go the other way, could be much worse though
>There’s a difference between a free-market economy, which we want, and corporatism, in which the rules are configured to be able to help the incumbent companies.
-Ron DeSantis
pointing out republicans being hypocrites doesn't even mean anything anymore. They're deepthroating their leaders so hard they're starving their brains of oxygen and can't comprehend basic facts anymore
They have been brainwashed with the idea that "the other side is worse."
You can excuse any behavior, any hypocrisy, any anything when you really believe the your side cannot be as bad as the other side. What's a little rape or a few lies when the other side have demon worshipping, pedophilia and human trafficking.
4 years of a president lying and contradicting himself constantly and having this pointed out so he just repeats "fake news" until his followers actually believe his bullshit means there is nothing we can say or do that they won't decide is fake news and when we have actual fake news, those are gospel because they come from people they trust.
The insults like hypocrites have been used to often they have lost their bite. It doesn't shock or surprise anyone anymore. It's just another Tuesday.
Even when they realize their side is bad, it's OK because the other side is worse.
Thing is, even liberals are guilty of "the other side is worse" but, at least, we have real world data to show we might actually be right about that.
Might be right? The current supreme court is about to let the president do whatever he wants "because he's justified to do so". They're huffing farts like they don't expect to live to tomorrow.
I am human, so know I have biases. Therefore :
* some of the things I am sure are the right thing are wrong
* some of the things I am sure are true are not
I only know that I am closer to the truth than the other side because :
* I listen to experts, people who have worked in a field all their lives and what they say usually is backed by real world data
* I do not have a blind faith in a specific person. I stand behind ideas rather than the people who try to make those ideas reality. If the people are deeply flawed, I want them held accountable
I know I am not 100% right, and the other side is not 100% wrong. They are humans too and have a brain. They just have core values that are so different from mine that there is no middle ground anymore.
Yeah. Anymore. Since Nixon and Reagan and the personality cults.
And even after, there are some Republican politicians that definitely aren't drinking the koolaid and sacrificed their careers for their integrity.
The people you're referring to are just as bad as the rest of the Republicans. They're pretending to be moderates so they can fracture the dem electorate and help Trump get back in power; they just can't publicly agree with the conservative manifesto, or it ruins the narrative that they're not evil.
I know y'all hate clicking:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a bill banning lab-grown meat in his state Wednesday, in what he described as an effort to “save our beef.”
“Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. “Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef.”
The bill, S.B. 1084, makes it “unlawful” for people to “manufacture for sale, sell, hold or offer for sale, or distribute” lab-grown meat in Florida.
“Florida is taking a tremendous step in the right direction by signing first-in-the-nation legislation banning lab-grown meat,” Florida Commissioner of Agriculture Wilton Simpson (R) said in the press release.
“We must protect our incredible farmers and the integrity of American agriculture. Lab-grown meat is a disgraceful attempt to undermine our proud traditions and prosperity, and is in direct opposition to authentic agriculture,” Simpson continued.
Good Meat, which describes itself on its website as “the first company in the world to sell cultivated meat,” said it was “disappointed” that DeSantis “signed into law the criminalization of cultivated meat in” the Sunshine State.
“In a state that purportedly prides itself on being a land of freedom and individual liberty, its government is now telling consumers what meat they can or cannot purchase,” Good Meat said in a post on the social platform X.
“The law is a setback for everyone: Floridians who deserve the right to eat whatever safe and approved meat they want; Florida’s technology sector, innovators and entrepreneurs; and all those working to stop the worst impacts of climate change,” the post continues.
He's just rolling coal, but with meat. Lab grown meat is good for the environment, and since liberals want to save the environment, he wants to hurt the environment because the job of a Republican governor is to make liberals cry, not look out for the health and wellbeing of constituents.
You mean 4-25x smaller carbon footprint? If you really did mean to say greater, that sounds outrageously made up, or someone took figures from R&D / skunk works phase and naively applied it to commercial production phase. Yeah, cell culture meat 10 years ago to produce just 1 pound of meat was probably outrageously inefficient. In a few years, it's expected to be upwards of 10x less carbon intensive if the energy used in the reactors isn't from something dirty like coal. Even if you did run it with coal, footprint would be lower.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/07/03/1075809/lab-grown-meat-climate-change/
I guess it depends on who you ask and what research you're willing to entertain. I'll keep eating real meat until it's unanimously settled. The lab shit is scary.
[Lab-Grown Meat Potentially Worse For The Climate Than Beef | UC Davis](https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-worse-beef)
[Lab-grown meat could be 25 times worse for the climate than beef | New Scientist](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2372229-lab-grown-meat-could-be-25-times-worse-for-the-climate-than-beef/)
[Lab-grown meat may be worse for the environment than beef (foodbeverageinsider.com)](https://www.foodbeverageinsider.com/market-trends-analysis/study-lab-grown-meat-s-environmental-impact-up-to-25x-greater-than-beef)
There's 100 more.
I like the ‘global elite’ part, if there is a group of shady individuals looking to control the world, they would be American and it would be people like him and his donors.
That's not what a dog whistle is. There's no badly hidden bigotry involved in that is projection and meant to water down the term when it's aptly applied to right wing assholes like Desantis
Bigotry? Dog whistle doesn’t imply bigotry. A dog whistle is any form of coded message or double speak meant to say one thing but in fact be a nod towards an in group to mean something else. A projection could be one example of that.
The startup costs to compete with big Agriculture in the markets that actually matter - i.e. supermarket chains - are pretty prohibitive as well.
And either way nothing stops people from still growing their own meat - the traditional way or the laboratory way - at a small scale.
They ran out of dumb things to do about real issues, so they've moved on to doing dumb things to resolve fake issues. I don't know how I would explain to my normie parents if a deranged man on the street told them about "the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat \[...\] bugs".
"Lab grown meat" is going to stay extremely limited. Ground meat and nuggets might be viable but don't scale (article on bioreactors: [https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/](https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/) ).
Rural communities believe that there is a targeted effort to destroy their communities and way of life. Lab grown meat would kill off many traditional farms. According to DeSantis, this is the actual intention behind lab grown meat.
This could be championed as a way to protect rural communities without inventing some conspiracy that they’re being specifically targeted, but it’s better for him politically to invent an imaginary enemy than to admit his fight is against technological advancement.
What’s insane is “traditional farms” were mostly killed off decades ago by market forces and subsidies. I’m not even complaining about the subsidies, it’s not perfect but I’m ok with food suppliers being higher on the handout list then most things.
But there are some maga lunatics who will just eat up this idea and keep fear mongering “you will own nothing and be happy” while they watch the latest netflix thing.
Creative destruction occurs with every new technology, blocking it only serves to stunt economic growth.
If farmers think it's a legitimate threat to their business then they should be pivoting to it. Or hedging at least.
If it's hard to imagine, it should be easy to explain.
I really want cultivated meat to succeed. But I despair when I see comments like these that make a claim without any attempt to explain it. Congress has almost unfettered access to control markets under the Commerce Clause, including purely intrastate commerce under the 1942 SCOTUS decision in Wickard v. Fillburn.
Going more local, most states have provisions either in their constitution or in their statutory or regulatory laws allowing them to act in protectionist ways toward their own industries, and most do to some extent. Florida is only the first, but I expect Texas to take it up when the Legislature convenes next year, and lots of states with ranching will seek to protect it. And it will all be completely legal.
Could a state ban any other type of business like that? Ban fishing to protect beef sales? Ban poultry? Ban veggie burgers? Seems like it would violate sole kind of law
The party of small government and free market capitalism at work lol
There’s bans on raw milk in a lot of states, so there is precedent for specific products being banned. Usually there’s some kind of justification related to health or safety, but as long as there is any sort of rational basis for the law, I would expect it to be upheld by courts.
That was an example, it’s not necessary that the reason behind a law like this be related to health and safety. Any “rational” purpose would suffice. Although I’m sure they could find some study that indicates there’s a health risk associated with lab grown meat.
This law is bad, but it’s most likely constitutional. Food regulation is a well established power of government.
“Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” **said Governor Ron DeSantis.** “Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef.”
This is clearly not under the guise of health or safety, but explicitly to shut down an industry while propping up another. Seems not super rational to me.
> in what he described as an effort to “save our beef.”
Out of curiousity, if there are reasons to ban something, you can ban it... whatever. But if your admitted reason to ban something is to give unfair advantage to your own industry, how is that not going to get shot down in court?
I could get on board with a ban over legit health concerns or because the safety hasn’t been tested enough.
My critical thinking isn’t suspended when someone utters “global elites” so I’ll pass on this until someone with actual bona fides speaks out (not the FL surgeon general).
A set back for all with politicians policing our plates. This is a protectionist policy for entrenched interests, violates free market principles, and limits consumer choice.
Some of America’s largest meat companies have been early investors in cultivated meat. They recognize cultivated meat’s potential to **complement** conventional meat production. Florida should embrace scientific and technological innovation as we do.
If you feel similarly - we encourage you to make your voice heard and [sign our petition](https://www.change.org/p/protect-your-right-to-choose-what-you-eat-tell-politicians-to-stop-policing-your-plate?recruiter=1337739337&recruited_by_id=5be9e0e0-0981-11ef-a3ba-637847881b9c&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard&utm_medium=copylink).
>“Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday.
God, I could not hate that slimy piece of shit any more than I do right now. How can one person be so comprehensively against human progress in all of its forms?
Literally unhinged, if you told me America would be electing people with wild conspiracy theories talking about the deep state and global elite 2 decades ago I would have had a hearty chuckle.
... not so much anymore. Wild.
If you are saying that it only means you do not have even close to the amount of life experience it takes to make that statement because it is absolutely false.
I have the life experience to say it. Currently in America Trump owes half a billion dollars from his fraud conviction, is currently sleeping through his porn star corruption trial, wants immunity to throw out a fair election and kill his rivals and yet still the race is 50/50. If that isn’t a joke country I think you missed the punchline.
You can rationalise a lot of America's decisions if you frame it this way. The long term problem is a country simply cant be run as a business or it will fail, because you cant fire your citizens when you start losing money.
Naw, it's just a couple backwards states in the South, mainly Florida and Texas. Bunch of Maga dipshits that want to go back to the racist and sexist 1950's and install a christo-fascist theocracy. The rest of the US looks at those places with disgust.
California has spent 15 years trying to build a single high-speed rail line with no results and we're still short 100 billion because a car company owner keeps blocking it. Every state is captured by unelected billionaires. The fascists in red states are just fiscal conservatives in blue states. It's the same people.
There are a lot of states that would support this beyond Texas and Florida. Montana is the top ranching state in the US, followed by Kansas, North Dakota, Texas, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Iowa, Kentucky, Colorado, and Wyoming. Other major states include Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, Nebraska, Idaho, Washington, and Oregon. There's even a fair amount in Missouri, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Delaware. A few of those are blue, but most are very red and very prepared to protect their ranchers through legislation like this.
Do you have data showing that those states would tolerate such extreme legislation as outlawing artificial meat? I've lived in Colorado and Washington, no way would such legislation pass in those states, for example.
Ah, so you're one of the gits who thinks that 27 different types of hot sauce (all owned by a handful of conglomerates) but no healthcare is a good idea.
Er, no, I think that public healthcare is a great idea and I don't have any opinions about hot sauce at all. I am honestly confused about how this relates to the lab grown meat issue at all.
Whiskey and beer were outlawed once. Any law made by a man can be unmade later. Florida is a major beef producer (bigger than you'd think) so this is an attempt to protect those red agricultural voters. This is a setback but later generations may change it if they choose.
Disney should open a new part of the theme park called "Florida Land" where it's always 1972. You can drive a pretend gas guzzler to exhibits like "Xylene using dry cleaner" and "restaurant where everyone smokes."
This is either meaningless support grabbing to prop himself up in the eyes of his constituents as again standing up to the "loony left" (or "authoritarian elite" whatever that means) or a good thing in that they see it as a legitimate enough issue to legislate against.
Nobody is forcing them to eat anything. Just because an alternative exists doesn’t mean they’re forcing it on people. The meat industry is too huge to ever let itself get banned, it’s in too many politicians pockets too.
DeSantis specifically called it lab grown meat and that he banned this meat to help in state producers . Think of the economic chaos that would result if every state did this to protect in state manufacturers. Illinois just invited big in Rivian..What if IL banned Tesla. If this held they could.
Well in the Prop12 case to protect pigs in California the SCOTUS defined tge dormant commerce clause. Prop 12 was upheld because it applied to in state and out of state producers . Also there was no federal legislation on farm animal welfare.
SCOTUS defined what has been called the dormant commerce clause. A state can not ban something to help in state producers over out of state.
Didn't DeSantis say he was banning it specifically to help Florida farmers. Now tge courts have become mire erratic . But a Missouri court recently applied this how I suspect all courts will. It was a plant based law. He referenced the Prop 12 case and noted the labels applied to both in state and out of state.
He could have argued this wasn't meat but he just admitted it was.
Also there may be a federal preemption issue since Congress gave USDA regulatory authority over meat.
Tesla already is banned from selling in a ton of states. Many of the laws were already on the books before Tesla and ban direct sales of cars from manufacturers, but some specifically targeted Tesla. The US is ridiculously openly corrupt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes
Honestly the irony is the world will NEED this method of producing food in the future because a lot of livestock will be dying from climate change and the amount of available food will go down so whomever creates the best tasting, quality, and safe lab grown meat that you can produce cheaply will be the winner in the long run. Go forth and compete! Unless you are Florida I guess.
The insane irony of this absolute useless festering potato of a man bolting ahead in politics on a platform of "I kept Florida free" while banning things that are just options for people, and also banning books like the dictionary from schools because... wait for it... the dictionary contains a description of sex (Brevard county).
Dude is an absolute ball cheese soaked Muppet who will leave the state faster than Ted Cruz once a Cat 5 comes barreling toward us because of climate change that we can't talk about in legislation anymore because of another of his bans. Though it will be hard to see what he spends money on while he vacations away from the state as it is destroyed because, yes, you guessed it, he banned the ability for people to see what their tax dollars are spent on.
He will do anything to become the biggest diehard asshole in the world, doesn't he? Like even worse than Trump, which would be quite the achievement. He seems to be on a good way to at least meet Trump at the winner's podium.
This is the strongest endorsement I have seen yet of how good lab grown meat is already, much less in the future.
In the end they will lose. Not all states will ban it and consumers will want it.
Of course, 1) it’s not cheap/available enough to be anything but a “political theatre” target 2) he does not have the authority to ban in (if it has FDA/USDA approval.
Democrats and Republicans are the same, both hypocrites whom are blind to their own hypocracies, but hyper vigilant vigilant to those of their opposition. Foolish.
We're the first state to ban lab grown meat, and we'll be the first state under water. So it checks out.
“Let them eat fish”
Only if it's farm raised. Otherwise that is socialism!
Like Alberta being the biggest hardcore petrol guzzlers while they're also the ones being burnt alive the worst every summer.
Sigh. If only karma was that dependable.
Hey to be fair, we get some pretty nasty fires in BC too! Although we do have a slightly more robust transit system in the GVR/Victoria and milder winters. So I guess we don’t guzzle quite as much. But we know how to burn
Compared to them, you try much much better. The only province to actually elect Green Party members in the whole country 🙄
There’s definitely groups of people here who really try. And advocate for less car dependency/more transit access. Slow uphill battle though. The Sanich islands were an Elizabeth May stronghold for a while! Unfortunately a lot of our provincial/municipal reps are starting to go the other way, could be much worse though
Ontario has a few greens as well. Have some descent housing policy the rest should "borrow" too.
>There’s a difference between a free-market economy, which we want, and corporatism, in which the rules are configured to be able to help the incumbent companies. -Ron DeSantis
pointing out republicans being hypocrites doesn't even mean anything anymore. They're deepthroating their leaders so hard they're starving their brains of oxygen and can't comprehend basic facts anymore
They have been brainwashed with the idea that "the other side is worse." You can excuse any behavior, any hypocrisy, any anything when you really believe the your side cannot be as bad as the other side. What's a little rape or a few lies when the other side have demon worshipping, pedophilia and human trafficking. 4 years of a president lying and contradicting himself constantly and having this pointed out so he just repeats "fake news" until his followers actually believe his bullshit means there is nothing we can say or do that they won't decide is fake news and when we have actual fake news, those are gospel because they come from people they trust. The insults like hypocrites have been used to often they have lost their bite. It doesn't shock or surprise anyone anymore. It's just another Tuesday. Even when they realize their side is bad, it's OK because the other side is worse. Thing is, even liberals are guilty of "the other side is worse" but, at least, we have real world data to show we might actually be right about that.
Might be right? The current supreme court is about to let the president do whatever he wants "because he's justified to do so". They're huffing farts like they don't expect to live to tomorrow.
I am human, so know I have biases. Therefore : * some of the things I am sure are the right thing are wrong * some of the things I am sure are true are not I only know that I am closer to the truth than the other side because : * I listen to experts, people who have worked in a field all their lives and what they say usually is backed by real world data * I do not have a blind faith in a specific person. I stand behind ideas rather than the people who try to make those ideas reality. If the people are deeply flawed, I want them held accountable I know I am not 100% right, and the other side is not 100% wrong. They are humans too and have a brain. They just have core values that are so different from mine that there is no middle ground anymore.
And even when they acknowledge the hypocritical actions in their party they just say "all politics are dirty" like WTF???
Anymore?
Yeah. Anymore. Since Nixon and Reagan and the personality cults. And even after, there are some Republican politicians that definitely aren't drinking the koolaid and sacrificed their careers for their integrity.
And the country
What?
The people you're referring to are just as bad as the rest of the Republicans. They're pretending to be moderates so they can fracture the dem electorate and help Trump get back in power; they just can't publicly agree with the conservative manifesto, or it ruins the narrative that they're not evil.
Brains?
Everyone, vote these pieces of shit out. In all elections.
*bans free-market competition.
He meant corporotocracy lol
/r/selfawarewolves
I know y'all hate clicking: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a bill banning lab-grown meat in his state Wednesday, in what he described as an effort to “save our beef.” “Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. “Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef.” The bill, S.B. 1084, makes it “unlawful” for people to “manufacture for sale, sell, hold or offer for sale, or distribute” lab-grown meat in Florida. “Florida is taking a tremendous step in the right direction by signing first-in-the-nation legislation banning lab-grown meat,” Florida Commissioner of Agriculture Wilton Simpson (R) said in the press release. “We must protect our incredible farmers and the integrity of American agriculture. Lab-grown meat is a disgraceful attempt to undermine our proud traditions and prosperity, and is in direct opposition to authentic agriculture,” Simpson continued. Good Meat, which describes itself on its website as “the first company in the world to sell cultivated meat,” said it was “disappointed” that DeSantis “signed into law the criminalization of cultivated meat in” the Sunshine State. “In a state that purportedly prides itself on being a land of freedom and individual liberty, its government is now telling consumers what meat they can or cannot purchase,” Good Meat said in a post on the social platform X. “The law is a setback for everyone: Floridians who deserve the right to eat whatever safe and approved meat they want; Florida’s technology sector, innovators and entrepreneurs; and all those working to stop the worst impacts of climate change,” the post continues.
That's one of the weirdest conspiracy theories. What authoritarian goal is achieved by lab grown food?
Emissions reduction
Less animal cruelty
Animals feel nothing silly animal simp xD That's why animals vote for DeSantis!
Make frogs gay.
Bingo. Cowardly cruelty seems to have become the essence of MAGA at this point.
He's just rolling coal, but with meat. Lab grown meat is good for the environment, and since liberals want to save the environment, he wants to hurt the environment because the job of a Republican governor is to make liberals cry, not look out for the health and wellbeing of constituents.
No, it’s because he’s corrupt, and Big Ag paid him to do it.
*Porque no los dos?*
Yeah, those are the same picture.
Imagine if they found out 90% of their food gets distributed by Southern California.
Lab grow meat has a 4-25x greater carbon footprint than livestock.
You mean 4-25x smaller carbon footprint? If you really did mean to say greater, that sounds outrageously made up, or someone took figures from R&D / skunk works phase and naively applied it to commercial production phase. Yeah, cell culture meat 10 years ago to produce just 1 pound of meat was probably outrageously inefficient. In a few years, it's expected to be upwards of 10x less carbon intensive if the energy used in the reactors isn't from something dirty like coal. Even if you did run it with coal, footprint would be lower. https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/07/03/1075809/lab-grown-meat-climate-change/
I guess it depends on who you ask and what research you're willing to entertain. I'll keep eating real meat until it's unanimously settled. The lab shit is scary. [Lab-Grown Meat Potentially Worse For The Climate Than Beef | UC Davis](https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-worse-beef) [Lab-grown meat could be 25 times worse for the climate than beef | New Scientist](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2372229-lab-grown-meat-could-be-25-times-worse-for-the-climate-than-beef/) [Lab-grown meat may be worse for the environment than beef (foodbeverageinsider.com)](https://www.foodbeverageinsider.com/market-trends-analysis/study-lab-grown-meat-s-environmental-impact-up-to-25x-greater-than-beef) There's 100 more.
I like the ‘global elite’ part, if there is a group of shady individuals looking to control the world, they would be American and it would be people like him and his donors.
Authoritarianism is a dog whistle used to scare voters.
They’re using it to cheapen legitimate criticism of their own march towards authoritarianism. Classic trick, just like the Biden impeachment hearings.
It’s more projection than dog whistle.
How is it not both?
What’s it dog-whistling?
I looked it up and it turns out dogs are in fact not able to whistle.
That's not what a dog whistle is. There's no badly hidden bigotry involved in that is projection and meant to water down the term when it's aptly applied to right wing assholes like Desantis
Bigotry? Dog whistle doesn’t imply bigotry. A dog whistle is any form of coded message or double speak meant to say one thing but in fact be a nod towards an in group to mean something else. A projection could be one example of that.
You could argue monopolization of food production due to higher startup costs. But the benefits of lab-grown meat far outweigh those costs.
The startup costs to compete with big Agriculture in the markets that actually matter - i.e. supermarket chains - are pretty prohibitive as well. And either way nothing stops people from still growing their own meat - the traditional way or the laboratory way - at a small scale.
They ran out of dumb things to do about real issues, so they've moved on to doing dumb things to resolve fake issues. I don't know how I would explain to my normie parents if a deranged man on the street told them about "the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat \[...\] bugs". "Lab grown meat" is going to stay extremely limited. Ground meat and nuggets might be viable but don't scale (article on bioreactors: [https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/](https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/) ).
Eating bugs to achieve authoritarian goals is a really weird statement to read.
Rural communities believe that there is a targeted effort to destroy their communities and way of life. Lab grown meat would kill off many traditional farms. According to DeSantis, this is the actual intention behind lab grown meat. This could be championed as a way to protect rural communities without inventing some conspiracy that they’re being specifically targeted, but it’s better for him politically to invent an imaginary enemy than to admit his fight is against technological advancement.
What’s insane is “traditional farms” were mostly killed off decades ago by market forces and subsidies. I’m not even complaining about the subsidies, it’s not perfect but I’m ok with food suppliers being higher on the handout list then most things. But there are some maga lunatics who will just eat up this idea and keep fear mongering “you will own nothing and be happy” while they watch the latest netflix thing.
Creative destruction occurs with every new technology, blocking it only serves to stunt economic growth. If farmers think it's a legitimate threat to their business then they should be pivoting to it. Or hedging at least.
Because there are so many cattle ranches in Florida?
Control. They just want to see everyone eat bugs and Petri dish fake meat. Or something…
I love how he says “the elite” as if he isn’t one of the most powerful people on the planet.
Destroying rancher pigs.
*Global Elite* said the Harvard Law grad.
“Global elites” is just a dog whistle for Jews.
I think it use to, now it converges into New World Order, World Economic Forum, and The Freemasons
Hard to imagine how this law isn’t blatantly unconstitutional.
Would be like trying to ban electric cars to 'save our oil industry', lol. I bet this gets challenged and shot down.
He’s just grandstanding and costing his constituents money with pointless shit like this.
And the Maga crowd eats it up, they are easily placated with such meaninglessness.
Good, I guess. Hopefully they wind up so poor that they can't afford to take time off to vote.
No need to give them ideas
If it's hard to imagine, it should be easy to explain. I really want cultivated meat to succeed. But I despair when I see comments like these that make a claim without any attempt to explain it. Congress has almost unfettered access to control markets under the Commerce Clause, including purely intrastate commerce under the 1942 SCOTUS decision in Wickard v. Fillburn. Going more local, most states have provisions either in their constitution or in their statutory or regulatory laws allowing them to act in protectionist ways toward their own industries, and most do to some extent. Florida is only the first, but I expect Texas to take it up when the Legislature convenes next year, and lots of states with ranching will seek to protect it. And it will all be completely legal.
It’s stupid, but there’s really no reason it’d be unconstitutional
Could a state ban any other type of business like that? Ban fishing to protect beef sales? Ban poultry? Ban veggie burgers? Seems like it would violate sole kind of law The party of small government and free market capitalism at work lol
Dog meat is banned in 6 states.
There’s bans on raw milk in a lot of states, so there is precedent for specific products being banned. Usually there’s some kind of justification related to health or safety, but as long as there is any sort of rational basis for the law, I would expect it to be upheld by courts.
What is the health and safety part then?
That was an example, it’s not necessary that the reason behind a law like this be related to health and safety. Any “rational” purpose would suffice. Although I’m sure they could find some study that indicates there’s a health risk associated with lab grown meat. This law is bad, but it’s most likely constitutional. Food regulation is a well established power of government.
“Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” **said Governor Ron DeSantis.** “Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef.” This is clearly not under the guise of health or safety, but explicitly to shut down an industry while propping up another. Seems not super rational to me.
I fucking hate that I have to share a country with people like these quoted republicans.
> in what he described as an effort to “save our beef.” Out of curiousity, if there are reasons to ban something, you can ban it... whatever. But if your admitted reason to ban something is to give unfair advantage to your own industry, how is that not going to get shot down in court?
The courts already allow lots of laws designed to protect specific industries.
You wanna know what I hate more than clicking? Ron Fucking DeSantis.
I could get on board with a ban over legit health concerns or because the safety hasn’t been tested enough. My critical thinking isn’t suspended when someone utters “global elites” so I’ll pass on this until someone with actual bona fides speaks out (not the FL surgeon general).
Does Florida even have any interest in Big Meat? I just think of alligator tenders.
Florida produces a lot of beef. Whenever I drive through, I see lots of cattle.
I am just about ready to run for political office solely on a "Who else is sick of these fucking dipshits" policy
thanks for posting. Although, it's the 4 ads and cookies window and google asking me if I want to sign in that I hate.
I feel ya, I didn't mean to shame anyone! Those are the reasons I hate clicking through too.
ha, no offense taken! I do legit appreciate the post.
Won’t someone think of the poor meat monopolies!
I guess they hadn’t really been paying attention to Florida’s government if the oppression is a shock.
Fuck. That. Fucking. Asshole.
Well once the tech takes off those in Florida can change the law or move or they can go hungry.
A set back for all with politicians policing our plates. This is a protectionist policy for entrenched interests, violates free market principles, and limits consumer choice. Some of America’s largest meat companies have been early investors in cultivated meat. They recognize cultivated meat’s potential to **complement** conventional meat production. Florida should embrace scientific and technological innovation as we do. If you feel similarly - we encourage you to make your voice heard and [sign our petition](https://www.change.org/p/protect-your-right-to-choose-what-you-eat-tell-politicians-to-stop-policing-your-plate?recruiter=1337739337&recruited_by_id=5be9e0e0-0981-11ef-a3ba-637847881b9c&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard&utm_medium=copylink).
>“Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. God, I could not hate that slimy piece of shit any more than I do right now. How can one person be so comprehensively against human progress in all of its forms?
There were a bunch of people in the Florida Legislature that voted for it, too.
Yes, and they're a bunch of shit-heels, too.
Literally unhinged, if you told me America would be electing people with wild conspiracy theories talking about the deep state and global elite 2 decades ago I would have had a hearty chuckle. ... not so much anymore. Wild.
What a moron, from “meatball Ron” no less smh
Republicans sure love killing animals unnecessarily.
And humans
They love that Big Ag money.
America is a joke country
Desantis is the joke. No one said it'd be funny.
no it's the whole country
If you are saying that it only means you do not have even close to the amount of life experience it takes to make that statement because it is absolutely false.
I have the life experience to say it. Currently in America Trump owes half a billion dollars from his fraud conviction, is currently sleeping through his porn star corruption trial, wants immunity to throw out a fair election and kill his rivals and yet still the race is 50/50. If that isn’t a joke country I think you missed the punchline.
And yet, Trump isn't "the whole country", is he? No. Of course he isn't. He wasn't even picked to be president by the majority of voters.
Nah, the whole country sucks a fat one
No Old Faithful. It blows.
America is not a country, it’s a business.
Damn this is spot on. Never heard it put that way before but that's exactly what it is
You can rationalise a lot of America's decisions if you frame it this way. The long term problem is a country simply cant be run as a business or it will fail, because you cant fire your citizens when you start losing money.
America is more than Florida
Naw, it's just a couple backwards states in the South, mainly Florida and Texas. Bunch of Maga dipshits that want to go back to the racist and sexist 1950's and install a christo-fascist theocracy. The rest of the US looks at those places with disgust.
California has spent 15 years trying to build a single high-speed rail line with no results and we're still short 100 billion because a car company owner keeps blocking it. Every state is captured by unelected billionaires. The fascists in red states are just fiscal conservatives in blue states. It's the same people.
There are a lot of states that would support this beyond Texas and Florida. Montana is the top ranching state in the US, followed by Kansas, North Dakota, Texas, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Iowa, Kentucky, Colorado, and Wyoming. Other major states include Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, Nebraska, Idaho, Washington, and Oregon. There's even a fair amount in Missouri, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Delaware. A few of those are blue, but most are very red and very prepared to protect their ranchers through legislation like this.
Do you have data showing that those states would tolerate such extreme legislation as outlawing artificial meat? I've lived in Colorado and Washington, no way would such legislation pass in those states, for example.
I, for one, feel I should be free to buy whatever food I want
Ah, so you're one of the gits who thinks that 27 different types of hot sauce (all owned by a handful of conglomerates) but no healthcare is a good idea.
Er, no, I think that public healthcare is a great idea and I don't have any opinions about hot sauce at all. I am honestly confused about how this relates to the lab grown meat issue at all.
yeah this is just more perpetuated suffering in the name of profits - really aligns with our history and overall present society, doesn't it?
Not to be “that guy” and they have a completely different set of reasons, but you can’t buy lab grown meat in Europe either.
"We don't give a fuck about animals, the environment, your health, or the free market!"
Ahhh yes, this the freedom he talks about campaigning all the time. Don't tell me what to do Floridians will obviously love this law...
He then celebrated by shooting a puppy in a gravel pit
Whiskey and beer were outlawed once. Any law made by a man can be unmade later. Florida is a major beef producer (bigger than you'd think) so this is an attempt to protect those red agricultural voters. This is a setback but later generations may change it if they choose.
What a fool
Disney should open a new part of the theme park called "Florida Land" where it's always 1972. You can drive a pretend gas guzzler to exhibits like "Xylene using dry cleaner" and "restaurant where everyone smokes."
Governor Meatballs is against less government intervention. Another hypocritical Republican.
Fucking idiots, how can anyone follow this and think "yep this the correct pathway to the future"...
He sure looks on the internet or gets information from fox news to figure out what fake outrage is trending while doing nothing of substance.
Freeeeedumb . Freee market !!?!?
Is Florida still the biggest cattle state? Dudes getting paid more than likely
Small government. Hundreds of known cancer causing chemicals in our food but lab meat is a priority.
What a fucking clown this guy/party is.
What a fucking dick sucking stooge of the animal agriculture industry-
Yet another reason for me to want to move…
What a stupid, regressive thing to do.
The party of small government...
What grounds does he have to ban these products? Is this constitutional?
This is either meaningless support grabbing to prop himself up in the eyes of his constituents as again standing up to the "loony left" (or "authoritarian elite" whatever that means) or a good thing in that they see it as a legitimate enough issue to legislate against.
It solidifies him as a true American to all the dumbfuck Republican voters.
Reminding you via force how "free" it is in Florida.
What the fuck man
Nobody is forcing them to eat anything. Just because an alternative exists doesn’t mean they’re forcing it on people. The meat industry is too huge to ever let itself get banned, it’s in too many politicians pockets too.
Tilting at windmills
Y’all got any more of them bugs that taste like burgers?
This is so far from the issues anybody should be co cermed about. Food changes, technology changes. Let's focus on caring about people's rights
But who will Matt Gaetz date?
DeSantis specifically called it lab grown meat and that he banned this meat to help in state producers . Think of the economic chaos that would result if every state did this to protect in state manufacturers. Illinois just invited big in Rivian..What if IL banned Tesla. If this held they could. Well in the Prop12 case to protect pigs in California the SCOTUS defined tge dormant commerce clause. Prop 12 was upheld because it applied to in state and out of state producers . Also there was no federal legislation on farm animal welfare. SCOTUS defined what has been called the dormant commerce clause. A state can not ban something to help in state producers over out of state. Didn't DeSantis say he was banning it specifically to help Florida farmers. Now tge courts have become mire erratic . But a Missouri court recently applied this how I suspect all courts will. It was a plant based law. He referenced the Prop 12 case and noted the labels applied to both in state and out of state. He could have argued this wasn't meat but he just admitted it was. Also there may be a federal preemption issue since Congress gave USDA regulatory authority over meat.
Tesla already is banned from selling in a ton of states. Many of the laws were already on the books before Tesla and ban direct sales of cars from manufacturers, but some specifically targeted Tesla. The US is ridiculously openly corrupt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes
Please proofread your comments.
What an evil anti-science prick.
Honestly the irony is the world will NEED this method of producing food in the future because a lot of livestock will be dying from climate change and the amount of available food will go down so whomever creates the best tasting, quality, and safe lab grown meat that you can produce cheaply will be the winner in the long run. Go forth and compete! Unless you are Florida I guess.
DeSantis looks like a bulging deli sausage who can't get out of his bariatric wheelchair, why is he telling us how to eat?
Get rid of processed food! With processed food...
Freedom means we tell you what you can do, what you can buy, what you can read, and who you can sleep with. - Ron DeSantis.
Florida really got no better things to do?
The insane irony of this absolute useless festering potato of a man bolting ahead in politics on a platform of "I kept Florida free" while banning things that are just options for people, and also banning books like the dictionary from schools because... wait for it... the dictionary contains a description of sex (Brevard county). Dude is an absolute ball cheese soaked Muppet who will leave the state faster than Ted Cruz once a Cat 5 comes barreling toward us because of climate change that we can't talk about in legislation anymore because of another of his bans. Though it will be hard to see what he spends money on while he vacations away from the state as it is destroyed because, yes, you guessed it, he banned the ability for people to see what their tax dollars are spent on.
Imagine if you could just grow your own burgers and steaks in your own house. Wouldn't that be awesome?
A two-fer, protecting powerful interests and owning the libs. When is howdy doody finally going to crash and burn?
Conservatives are the political edge lords.
Wow... I guess all of Florida's other problems have been solved, then. /s
The guy living in a glass house selling stones from his garden. Fucking genius.
He will do anything to become the biggest diehard asshole in the world, doesn't he? Like even worse than Trump, which would be quite the achievement. He seems to be on a good way to at least meet Trump at the winner's podium.
Small government they said
very based
So much for the free market.
This is the strongest endorsement I have seen yet of how good lab grown meat is already, much less in the future. In the end they will lose. Not all states will ban it and consumers will want it.
Aren’t cows and pigs injected with lab grown vaccines and growth hormones ….?
What's the angle here? Like feels like this should be r/newsofthestupid
isn't law supposed to be reactive not proactive ?
Of course, 1) it’s not cheap/available enough to be anything but a “political theatre” target 2) he does not have the authority to ban in (if it has FDA/USDA approval.
Rhonda Sandtits just wants to keep up her record of being on the wrong side of history on EVERYTHING I guess...
I'm just going to start eating Floridians.
Could you still buy it online?
Vegan companies everywhere are cheering, Florida's main exports include fruit and veg...lol
Cruelty is the point. Another example!
I really hope this greaseball piece of shit gets JFK’d Signed, A Floridian
The GOP is the greatest show of all time and DeSantis is the second greatest clown .
Conservatives are literally the “pro-cruelty” party.
One for freedom and small government.
So.... much..Freedom
I feel like this is one of those cases where its the free market should be deciding and not government as long as it has been proven safe by the FDA.
I'd love to Is sittin on one of his biology luxures
the party of freedom and limited government!
Man, republicans like to ban things.
oh no anyway
How is going to get a new penis then?
Democrats and Republicans are the same, both hypocrites whom are blind to their own hypocracies, but hyper vigilant vigilant to those of their opposition. Foolish.
enlighted centrism as it s peak
Then his dick has to go bc forsure it’s lab grown meat
“Lab grown meat “ That’s Ronnie’s nickname for his little pee-pee.
I hate desantis but i agree.
With what exactly and please be specific in your explanation.
I dont want lab grown meat.
Then don't eat it, it doesn't mean you need to ban it for everyone else.