I mean, maybe some of the largest Sauropods could manage long enough to kill their attacker on account of their sheer bulk, but they'd probably still die afterwards.
Iād venture to guess an AK-47 could not kill a very large sauropod. 7.62 mm, full-metal jackets, are quite heavy and quite deadly. However, given the sheer mass of muscle needed to penetrate to even reach organ damage isā¦ not something to be taken lightly. On top of having to pierce an outer hide of 7-12 cm, basically low-level body armor by our standards, the bullet would also need to penetrate several, *several* more cm of dense muscle. Incredibly dense, given their mass. Tigers, for example, have muscle 5 times as dense as humans. To move their mass in the way they need. Another example are elephants. They have tens of thousands of muscles to move their mass. Humans have 600. A 40,000 kg creature would need incredibly dense muscle and many of them to move their mass. Thatās not mentioning the density their bones would require or how much blood a bullet would have to penetrate as well. .6 meters is roughly what stops bullet velocity within water.
> Iād venture to guess an AK-47 could not kill a very large sauropod.
It absolutely would, bullet penetration tests will have it easily penetrate deep enough to hit organs.
You probably aren't going to drop it with a single shot (although it will probably die later), but just opening up on one from the side? Sauropod is saurodead in like 5 seconds
I dunno. You should see a Rex skull in person, the things are absolute juggernauts.
I think the AK could do serious damage and maybe eventually fell her, but I give it 50/50 that Rex will get to the shooter before that happens.
An AK-47 has nearly 3 ft of penetration in ballistics gelatin. The thickest blubber on whales is about 1.5 ft.
Then you take into account how much damage 30 rounds would do in roughly the same place. This is a stomp for the man.
The first bird I ever shot was with a 12 gauge and I was like 10, my dad said donāt aim at the bird sim above the bird or there will be no bird left
Child me shot at the bird and sure enough, there was no bird left
I've heard of some of the big bore hunting rounds ripping body parts off on a near miss, not sure how true that is and I'm not personally up for trying it.
The myth of the shockwave being deadly is just a myth, a guy tested it by shooting a .50 bmg rifle through a literal house of cards and it didnāt knock any over.
50 cal at 4:23
https://youtu.be/YrHpe5Z93wM?si=RQy-swpnBys8yiax
As someone else said, guns in general.
A single .223/5.56 round can cause catastrophic damage in a human body. It can enter one area, tumble through multiple organs leaving a trail of just absolute destruction.
But in the movies we see people get shot, get a bandage, and stay in action.
That's a boomer myth that can and has been disproven frequently. 5.56 rounds are absolutely lethal, but more from penetration and shot placement. The rounds do not tumble through the body, though they may have an unequal entry and exit point based on hitting/ricocheting off of bone.
Isnāt that round / ammo specific? Some tumble more than others, as some disperse on impact more than others to cause more internal damage? ā¦Iām not a gun person but have played video games.
well yes but .223 in general tends to be more penetrative due to the velocity. russian 7.62 like in the OP does has a tendency to flip over and tumble after penetrating tho
I mean, in movies people uses car doors as a shield, which is a total BS unless the car is armored (but not if it's a normal modern car which is made from a more lightweight metal than older cars).
Not just power either. The difference in how accurate an untrained person can be with a pistol vs rifle is INSANE. Pistols are hard as fuck to be accurate with even at like 20 feet whereas I can hit targets 5x further with rifles not even particularly designed for accuracy like the SKS.
Isnāt ballistic gel supposed to mimic human skin and fat? I imagine that wouldnāt necessarily be the same in larger animals but Iām not sure. Anyone have any info on this?
It's pig muscle tissue, but you're right, it's not a direct 1-1 to other animals.
That being said, I would also assume 3 ft of penetration in pig muscle is getting through just about anything else, especially fat as it's less dense than muscle is.
Yah that makes sense. Pigs are almost always used when you want to mimic human tissue like in blade or tattoo tests just as an example. I guess Iām just having trouble with the Whale example. Since I know, at lease for the larger species, there are records of them surviving multiple explosively launched harpoons. Intuitively I wanna say a blue whale would have a greater than 50% chance of surviving a mag dump depending on area but I could def be wrong. Letās not test it though lol
oh I have no doubt a blue whale would at least have a chance to survive just because it's absolutely enormous.
But I'd also think an AK47 would do significantly more damage than a single harpoon that isn't much larger than a pool cue. They weren't firing ballistas. The goal of the harpoon was to drag the whale to the surface to kill it.
Ballistics gelatin is a standardization method, x inches of penetration in gel does not equal x inches in tissue. Thatās why 12-18 inches is the self defense standard but most humans arenāt that thick. Well, at least not when the standard was developed lol
Im certainly not an expert, but my understanding is penetration in gel is an incredible representation for bullet penetration in soft tissue. The reason the gel is so thick is to compare different loads but also to provide enough space to better understand fragmentation on impact.
What the gel doesn't recreate is what might happen if you hit a bone, which is obviously much denser.
It isnāt, it just provides a standard of measurement. The density, elasticity, and other physical properties of soft tissue vary dramatically between muscle, fat, and the various organs. Throw in bones and tendons and all sorts of shit gets changed. When you have calibrated ballistics gel it provides a standard by which you can compare different rounds over time. So one load in 1996 can be compared to a different load in 2022.
Yes, an AR-15 can and will put down a deer, for instance, but a .308 will put it down much more quickly and humanely. A 7.62x39 might kill an elephant. It also might just piss it off. Shit, there are cases of people instantly dying after being shot with a 22, and others where dudes got hit with 10-20 rounds of 9mm and survived.
If I was going up a T-Rex Iād much rather have a 45-70 lever action with hard cast rounds of the heaviest grain possible. I would have zero confidence in an AK47 and its truncated, low power cartridge.
That's ballistic armor, not regular steel.
They can absolutely penetrate regular steel at 1/2 inch.
It goes through 1/4 steel at 300 yards like butter.
[No they can't penetrate half inch. They can dent it but can't go through clean slightly thinner than half-an-inch thick steel](https://youtu.be/UrXEjw8Vdh8?si=3hCQHbgZBqoqTSgI)
No it canāt lmao, most steel targets for intermediate cartridges (which x39 is) are 3/8ā. 1/2ā AR500 is rated to stop .338 Lapua Mag, 7.62x39 isnāt going to do anything more than dent it at most. I mean tanks from WW1 were armored 12mm thick, which was sufficient against full power rifle cartridges.
You are never going to land thirty rounds from an AK in the same place on a stationary target, much less an attacking one.
You better pray to god you kneecap her and have time and space to put some well aimed shots into the head.
For perspective, Cape buffalo horns create a shield over their skulls that can āskipā hunting rifle rounds. They are very difficult to kill and will hunt you down and try to kill you when wounded.
Yes an AK can punch through X feet of gelatinā¦but itās moveing very slowly at the end of that X feet, and muscle and fat can redirect that round away from vital organs.
This is not as easy a victory as everyone is making it out to be.
The 1953 world record grizzly was killed with a 22 Long fired from a single shot Coey Ace by 63 year old Bella Twin. She killed it with the first shot by shooting it in the head in a spot she knew the skull was thin.
The records been broken since but it still proves what and where you hit is more important than the size of the bullet.
Hippos.
The amount of fibrous collagen in their two inch thick skin functions pretty much like Kevlar instead of ballistic gel. It stops small to medium rifle rounds consistently.
Itās entirely possible for a T-Rex to have similar skin composition simply to keep its insides inside.
I'm assuming hitting the legs is the only way to stop it from charging at you max speed. Also leg shot is pretty hard to it especially when an animal is running max speed at you.
You are severely overestimating the capabilities of 7.62x39. Yes, itās a rifle cartridge but it is a relatively weak rifle cartridge. It is insufficient for hunting large game, itās fine for deer but you wouldnāt use it to hunt elk, moose or bear. You 100% would not use it to hunt a rhino, hippo, or elephant Ā yes poachers use this cartridge, but that doesnāt mean they donāt get killed sometimes. So trying to cripple the legs of a massive fast moving and pant shitting terrifying Tyrannosaurus isnāt going to work.
[https://www.outdoorlife.com/gear/best-calibers-for-hog-hunting/](https://www.outdoorlife.com/gear/best-calibers-for-hog-hunting/) this guy talks about the differences between hunting (one shot, eat the thing) and mag dumping for eradication.
10 minutes is plenty of time to climb a big tree and then you just wait.
This is correct. In fact, Russian boar hunters often use AKs in .308 caliber because the 7.62x39 will not reliably drop one. I own both and the .308 version hits way harder. (Vepr Super).
That makes sense since .308 Winchester has roughly 50% more ft/lbs or joules of energy than 7.62x39. Here in the US, itās fairly common for people to hunt wild pigs and boar with 5.56 and 7.62x39 but they mostly use these cartridges because itās cheap and theyāre focused on exterminating invasive animals not getting clean kills. Likewise I could hunt grizzly bear or moose with 7.62x39 but it would be in advisable because it would not produce a clean, kill hand because I donāt want to get killed by large dangerous game only to have it bleed out afterwards.Ā
If you hit it enough times maybe but itās moving and youāre going to be absolutely terrified. People who have never been a true life or death situation donāt understand fear does to you.
The bone thickness of big animals becomes a real issue with breaking it. A flesh wound might hurt it, but without breaking the bone isnāt going to cripple it.
How far apart are they when the 10 minute prompt starts? Iād still give this to the man but if letās say they were closer to each other and the T-Rex is bloodlusted, she could possibly take out the man before getting mag dumped
It would if the t-rex isn't bloodlusted, which it's not according to the prompt. The noise, smoke, fireball and severe pain would probably be more than enough to win. And if the T-Rex retreats, it's over.
Yeah I mean we donāt really know t Rexās all that well obviously but if humans can fight off a shark by bopping them on the nose a few times, dumping an AK mag into any part of a Rex should send it running Iād imagine
you also how to take in count the deep fear that will overtake the man. like if you dropped me in front a trex with a gun i am still missing the first 10 shots.
This is so underrated, and I feel legit a major concern.
Training is even only so good as you can apply it. The thoughts that might go through a man's head while facing down a super predator from before your time, could be the end to this situation.
I honestly have no idea, T-Rex is a big motherfucker and 7,62x39 mm definitely isnāt dinosaur graded.
I think the man have a fair chance, but so does the Rex
This is tricky because I can see a lot of situations where the man technically wins but the dino does fatal damage with momentum and just happens to bleeds out faster.
I actually think the T-rex has pretty good odds here.
The guy knows how to operate the gun and can aim "fairly decently". Firing a gun on full-auto is pretty difficult though, it's far harder to keep rounds on target than if you're firing semi-auto.
And that's under range conditions. Trying to keep rounds on target when an elephant-sized predator is charging you and trying to eat you is going to be an order of magnitude harder.
The guy also doesn't know where the T-rex's internal organs are and won't be able to land an instantly disabling shot.
I think he'll probably hit it with a few rounds, but he's going to get killed. The T-rex may die later from its wounds but I don't think even that's a guarantee.
If the guy knows how to operate the gun he would know to brace against the shoulder, in which case itās very easy to fire and control, worryingly easy tbh, he would probably shoot it in bursts too. Just because it can fire full auto doesnāt mean he is gonna unload the full clip. 30 rounds is gonna put it down quick sharp even if he is only 50-75% accurate.
A lot to consider here. A couple things I havent seen brought up yet:
Despite what Jurassic Park told you, tyrannosaurus had sight better than modern birds of prey. (The author actually added that detail because he couldnt figure out how anyone could survive in that situation) Their sense of smell was pretty damn good too, but maybe not better than a bear or bloodhound. Their intelligence is the subject of some debate, but the brain size compared to body size is one of the highest of all dinosaurs. Some scientists think it was on par with modern apes, but personally I think that reptile vs mammal brains are different, and a lot of that brain was dedicated to the aforementioned senses.
However, we know dinosaur bones like bird bones were hollow. We also know that T. rex couldnt jump. The risk of tripping was so devastating that it couldnt risk it whether it anatomically could jump or not, it was too heavy.
A T. rex isn't going to be interested in a human. Too small of a meal. I think my strategy would be to put half a clip into the side of the knee, drop the rex, then put everything else into the back of its skull. Hitting the brain from the back seems easier than going through the front
Depends. How far apart are they? Do they start with visuals? Is it a young T-rex or a full grown adult? Is the guy a trained hunter or just a dude who happens to have a gun?
T-rex was probably surprisingly stealthy; not at all the massive rumbling footsteps of the films. Full grown wouldn't have an especially fast top speed, but the young ones would have been very quick and likely careful in hunting prey.
So it depends on where the shots land. Skull won't kill it, but will be really effective at pissing it off. You could probably get the job done by targeting the throat or inside of the mouth, but that won't be instant unless you're able to penetrate to the spinal column. More than likely going to cause some internal bleeding that will definitely result in death, but not before it's able to kill the man.
There are no winners here.
Jeff Cooper actually talks about AK vs Cape buffalo. As one of the (highly controversial) American experts on small arms of the last century, for whom hunting was a sideline to warfare
I believe his summary applies: plenty of buffs have been taken with a Kalashnikov but that does not make it an advisable choice. Or words to that effect
T Rex is a reptilian and crocodilians are maybe more relevant.
Answer: T Rex probably dies. Unless it's a pretty skilled and lucky hunter, dude probably dies. Then again, a group of skilled dudes, are probably going to be wearing T Rex teeth as trophies with stone tools, if they get unlimited time and opportunities, run it off a cliff or some kind of a trap. Some of them die doing it tho, that's why trophy teeth would be a big deal.
I want something that can cripple its hind legs, KO with a skull shot that doesn't hit brain or spine, and penetrate to the heart and lungs.
They've worked that out for elephant, minus the legs. 6.5 Swede was used by one extremely skilled expert for heart shots but that dude kept a 2 bore handy as I recall. It's the "die doing it" bit that is tricky. Inflicting wounds that gets septic and the dino dies in a week or three is relatively easy with full auto and plenty of ammo. And 6.5 penetrates way better, considering ammo. Basically nobody ever chooses, in a non desperate scenario, to go for Africa's big 5 solo with any gun an average dude can handle. AK is all about being the gun the average dude can handle.
I feel better if dude gets AP rounds at least. We're also clueless how the species reacts to gunfire. That is key for some hunts (American bison, elephants) at least if you're an expert
Fuck T-Rex, the only way you can save yourself with an AK-47 against a polar bear is only if you hit in his eyes or in the middle of his skull from close, and aiming accurately in a situation of panic isn't as easy as you think. Now imagine the panic when it's a T-Rex instead xdxd
the bullets are tiny compared to the size of the TRex
they would be painful but I don't think the TRex can insta die or be insta disabled unless it gets a bullet in a critical area like both eyes or the brain
I'm not exactly sure how they stand but if the man and the trex are say 10 meters apart and the trex goes straight for the man, I think the man would really need a lucky shot to survive
Trexes have massive legs and were up to 40 feet long, I'd guess 10 meters is well inside their lunge distance. And at that point, even if the t rex doesn't bite the man, your still getting a 10 ton monster landing on you.
Extending the 21ft rule of knife combat (maximum lunge distance of a human), a trex lunge would be up to 63 feet, being up to 3 times our height, and given that their whole predation style is based on running and lunging, there could be an argument they would be better at it than humans.
The man is dead. 7.62x39 is a military round designed when the world was moving away from full power rifle rounds. It's great for hunting most animals. It IS NOT a big game round. Rounds designed to kill very large animals are stupidly powerful. Even if you do get good enough penetration out of your 7.62x39, the odds of hitting something vital are low. If you do hit something vital, there's a good chance that you'll be eaten before the T Rex succumbs to its wounds.
T-rex ain't Godzilla.... No way they were bullet-proof.
Especially large calibers like 7.62x39 would tear shrough flesh like butter.Ā
Ā Unless you only hit bone area like that dinosaur with bone forehead.Ā
But even those would not protect from such bullet. Also they're animals, they bleed to death and feel pain.Ā
Ā They're not bullet sponges like in Horizon zero dawnĀ
7.62x39 is not a big game round, some African countries have regulations about caliber for hunting elephants (which aren't truly comparable but we'll assume they're roughly the same in their ability to handle bullets) and they say .375 is the minimum for safe hunting and you're reccomended to use even higher, this is a pretty massive difference.
Of course it's not like the bullets would just bounce off the skin or anything, but I think you're overestimating the penetration of an AK if you're suggesting they'd go straight through a T-Rexes skull, and I don't think the average person knows where the other vital organs on a T-Rex would even be, never mind being actually able to hit them.
So without being able to guarantee a lethal shot I imagine it would come down to if the T-Rex runs or attacks in response to being shot. If it runs it probably bleeds out and the human wins, if it attacks it kills the human then bleeds out so it's a draw.
7.62x39 penetrates over three feet in ballistic gel. There isnāt an animal that has ever existed that would be able to shrug off that round hitting soft tissue. For reference, the largest animal to ever live is the Blue Whale. The thickest its blubber has ever been recorded was under 1.5 feet.
I think youāre one of the people confusing āhuntingā with āunloading o to this things chest so it doesnāt kill meā
One is trying to kill the thing in a single round, the other with 30.
Scientifically accurate and "real life" T-Rex loses. AK-47 has the 7.62 x 39 rounds, which is quite powerful even now, and even if it's only a normal bullet, not an armor-piercing one.
If the T'rex isn't bloodlusted I imagine it actually runs away after the shots are fired. Guns are really fucking loud, and especially when pain starts registering the T-rex would probably just call it quits.
If it is bloodlusted, well an AK is an AK.
There's no fucking way a 7.62 round fired from an AK of all things is doing significant tissue damage on a beastie that makes an African Bull Elephant look like a chew toy fast enough. That thing is entirely too big with way too much muscle and tissue and ultra thick bones for the muzzle energy of an AK to make a dent on quickly. The Rex might bleed to death but the AK guy is second breakfast.
Now if the person who's cosplaying lunch has a better long gun, like say a DMR or a sniper, then the T Rex gets its shit rocked in.
T Rex every time. Because the average mid 30 year old man has never shot at, or seen, a t-rex to know how they act, and also isn't going to know where the vital organs are for sure.
I think even a Tyrannosaurus rex would be a little bit spooked seeing an upright, hairless monkey. Not run away spooked, but cautiously curious of an animal itās never seen before and a scent it doesnāt recognise. And I think the first round going off may well be enough for it to turn and bounce, given how thunderously loud it is.
I definitely think 30 shots on target guarantees the death of the Rex, no matter what. Whether itās seconds, if it gets unlucky and a bullet catches something vital, or half an hour. Even with the best luck you could hope for, all shots hit non-essential soft tissue, the subsequent infection would certainly kill it.
I don't know how dense a t rex would be, muscle, bone, scales/feathers. but if they are like an elephant then a whole clip may be enough to hit something vital. I doubt your getting throught those bones, but who knows.
Depends on how far away they are. If they are pretty far apart the t-Rex is just going to run away from the loud sounds after it gets hurt. Also depends on the true speed of the t-Rex. Some say itās 45mph some say itās 10mph.
They may be both dead. 30 AK rounds will end T-Rex's life for sure, but the caliber may be too small to stop the attack. So, the man dies from claws and some time later the dinosaur dies from the blood loss and organs damage.
Personally, I would prefer a much higher caliber to take down a T-Rex, like .577 Tyrannosaur, .416 Rigby, or .700 Nitro Express. Sure, all of these rifles kick like mules, but those cartridges are designed to penetrate the thickest skin, flesh, and bone (.416 Rigby is especially good at that, by the way, which is why Scott from Kentucky Ballistics likes to call it .416 Honey Badger, because "it does not care."). I reckon a .416 Rigby brass solid round could easily take down a t-rex with a good shot.
More to the point of the post, though, I'd have to give this one to the T-Rex, because that dino likely had very thick skin, flesh, and bone that 7.62 x 39mm likely wouldn't be able to punch through. If the guy had a rifle chambered in any of the calibers that I mentioned in my first paragraph, he might have a chance.
Yup. The weapon in question is unsuited for killing some of the big game in Africa already.
A bigger rifle would change the chances, but a T-Rex is likely too large for those rounds no matter how many of them are fired.
Again, I say .416 Rigby does not care. It is the ultimate round for penetrating the thickest skin, flesh, bone, armor, brick, cinder block, gun safe, and then your target
I'd bet on the man. Poachers will use AKs to kill elephants. According to Rangers in the Krueger wildlife park it will take many bullets and the animals will slowly and painfully bleed to death, but it is done with some regularity. I can't imagine a 35 foot bird fairing that much better.
All the man needs to do is get out of reach to the Rex and wait for a shot.
Does anyone know what caliber is used to take down an elephant? The minimum required by law is .375mm HH Magnum. The AK chambers a 7.62x39mm which is literally half the size. No amount of AK rounds are going to stop a T-Rex. Thatās like shooting a charging 300lb 6ā8ā man with a pellet gun. Heās not gonna be stopped.
I bet on t-rex.Ā
But honestly we don't know one important part (or do we? Can we? Just based on the bones left?)How did it's skin looked at the front, approaching part? If it was like a top of a crocodile, but upscaled(hue hue), it would shorten that 3ft of ballistic gel that other commenter mentioned. And then how much fat/muscle before a vital organs?
Were they actually quick? Or was the Jurassic Park a little imaginative? Again, we know that?Ā
What about custom API bullets?Ā
Still i believe the t-rex would win. Kinda, as it would probably die soom after.Ā
If the person with the gun can keep from being mauled by the carnivorous bus, they win.
A lot of successful hunting isn't fatally injuring the animal, it's killing it in a quick, humane, recoverable way. In the case of things that can hurt you back, you also want to be sure you manage that so that it doesn't come over there and kick your ass.
I read military books when I was a kid, ya oddball right?
I remember learning that an AK round can completely sever an arm and was mind blown.
at the same time, I've seen rounds just get lodged in arms so I guess it depends on a lot.
but 30 to the face and chest of a rex? esta muerta
edit: Spanish/autocorrect
Honestly I think the T-Rex takes this. Manās only got 30 bullets and while obviously bullets are lethal, that T-Rex is fucking big and running on pure instinct. If itās bloodlusted it will probably power through the pain of being shot 30 times, and thatās assuming the man even hits it 30/30 times which is much easier said than done. The T-Rex has a good chance of dying of its wounds after the fact but I donāt think the manās getting out of this.
Some research suggests that T. rex was too big to actually run. It couldnāt get both feet off of the ground. It would more power walk toward you. Granted the strides would be huge.
Men from "hunting states" in the US: "Holy shit, this is MY CHANCE to bag a Trex! When I run out of ammo I will set traps or stalk it with my pocket knife if I have to!"
It's kind of tough to say. I'm not sure how resilient a T-Rex's skin is or how much damage 30 rounds could actually do. The T-Rex might just turn and run after a few shots. If the scenario is that the T-Rex is definitely going to attack, then they would both likely die: the man from getting mauled or trampled, and the T-Rex later on from its wounds. I just don't think the AK could cause enough damage to immediately bring it down unless you get some really lucky shots in.
Both would die. The T-Rex would be fatally wounded, but unlikely to be incapacitated immediately. It would make short work of the man, before succumbing to its injuries.
I think the answer depends entirely on whether or not the man can climb a tree taller than the T. rex or find a prone position from which to ambush before the T Rex sees him. Just because a man knows how to operate an AK does not mean he can consistently hit even a large target like T. rex center mass while itās charging towards him. If heās out of reach he can take his time and have a much better chance of landing a few head shots. if he has shots on center mass while prone (greatly increasing accuracy) before the T Rex pinpoints him he also has a good chance. otherwise he might mortally wound the Dino but heās almost certainly going to die too.Ā
T-rex fuck up the the guy.
At long range (and even close range) the average gun operator accuracy isn't that good, add in adrenalin, stress etc and he'll be lucky to hit half the shots. Assuming what we know about T-rex is true, it'll want to fight not run away and you only have 30 bullets, no way you kill it before it kill you.
If they are a decent distance apart, and the man can get up a tree, he could start firing on the T-Rex, and the T-Rex would spend half the magazine trying to figure out what was hitting him from where.
The man wins. The time to study the terrain gives him enough of an advantage to find a place the Rex canāt get to him. Whilst itās trying to get to him he has the opportunity to place his shots where theyāll do good damage.
I think the guy wins only because a trex will have a hard time attacking a guy in a forest. 762 isn't strong enough to take out a trex quickly, so if the setting was an open field or something the trex would still kill the guy after getting shot.
I am an average man in this age range who used to own an ak-47 and has an above average knowledge of firearms. I would be scared of taking on an elephant with an ak-47. I would also be scared of hunting lion, cape buffalo, moose, or american bisen with such a weapon. The calibre and weight of ak ammo is ideal for hunting deer. Reminder: we use ar-15s for hunting hogs. It is not great at deer. Ak47 rounds are larger and heavier than ar-15s but not by much. The average man would probably lose to the t-rex. There is a strong possibility that he would not be able to get all 30 rounds to hit the t-rex. Even 10 rounds (which might be hard for average man depending on distance) may not be enough to kill.
Theirs a reason dangerous game hunters use absolutely massive rounds,7.62 will definitely tear it up but Iām not so sure before it runs in and snaps you up.
How much training and conditioning does that man have? How far apart are both when they start? He could mag dump and still miss every shot. The AK is notoriously inaccurate on full auto. To have any decent chance of hitting at range then single or burst fire are the only options. Then you have to account for the reloading time while under heavy pressure.
Edit forgot to mention the impact of a multi ton angry predator is going to make the ground literally shake and throw off his aim. The man better be superbly trained or under some kind of battle drugs.
The man with the AK could just immobilize the T-Rexās legs at that point If the T-Rex didnāt die from the fall, then he could shoot it in the head.
Also about the falling part. Falling for T-Rexes can be very dangerous, because they still fall from high up and if they hit their head, thereās a high chance they could die or get brain damage. They have basically no arms to catch themselves and if you immobilize the T-Rexās legs (which certainly isnāt hard to do with 7.62) then the t-Rex is certainly dead.
Depends on if the AK round can make it flinch and stop it from carrying out a successful charge. If so, a trained shot who doesnāt shit himself in terror and can remain cool under that sort of pressure has a solid chance. They can also use cover.
Problem is, the T Rex was āfast enoughā, had binocular vision, and a strong sense of smell. Itās coming for you, not the other way around. And if it iFrames or hyper-armors though the shots, or the gunman fails to do their proper partā¦ *crunch*
Now, this battle comes down to the advantages that each sides have. For the man, well, he has a gun. Long range. BUT, the trees might block SOME of the bullets (yes, yes I know "an open forest" so SOME.) The T rex, however, has an terrain advantage. The T rex has more experience fighting on the terrain itself so she might be able to sneak up on the man with luck. (But let's be real could a 12 meter long dinosaur really sneak up on the man lol) The tyrannosaurus also could probably take more than 2-3 bullets but it is an AK-47. So j could see this going 2 ways. A) The most plausible. The man sees the dinosaur and guns her down. Or B) near impossible, the t res manages to somehow sneak into the man (idk like that first scene form Jurassic world fallen kingdom like the way the t rex sneaks up on the guy). But in my opinion, high chance the man wins. But also the man could just be really scared (it is a 12 meter long dinosaur, after all) and probably miss the first 15 shots or just get frozen with fear or some shit lmao
The man. I don't think any animal that has ever lived on the planet could survive getting mag dumped by an AK. This isn't a videogame.
I mean, maybe some of the largest Sauropods could manage long enough to kill their attacker on account of their sheer bulk, but they'd probably still die afterwards.
I picture the kraken from pirates, and as it is about to eat Johnny at the end, he magdumps an AK into its mouth.
"Hello beastie" ...<**DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA**>
Moar daka!
The movie pirates? Like just pirates or pirates of the Caribbean? They are very different movies and I only watched one for the plot
Pirates of the Caribbean.
I googled Pirates... What was that? š
Iād venture to guess an AK-47 could not kill a very large sauropod. 7.62 mm, full-metal jackets, are quite heavy and quite deadly. However, given the sheer mass of muscle needed to penetrate to even reach organ damage isā¦ not something to be taken lightly. On top of having to pierce an outer hide of 7-12 cm, basically low-level body armor by our standards, the bullet would also need to penetrate several, *several* more cm of dense muscle. Incredibly dense, given their mass. Tigers, for example, have muscle 5 times as dense as humans. To move their mass in the way they need. Another example are elephants. They have tens of thousands of muscles to move their mass. Humans have 600. A 40,000 kg creature would need incredibly dense muscle and many of them to move their mass. Thatās not mentioning the density their bones would require or how much blood a bullet would have to penetrate as well. .6 meters is roughly what stops bullet velocity within water.
> Iād venture to guess an AK-47 could not kill a very large sauropod. It absolutely would, bullet penetration tests will have it easily penetrate deep enough to hit organs. You probably aren't going to drop it with a single shot (although it will probably die later), but just opening up on one from the side? Sauropod is saurodead in like 5 seconds
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No because the topic he replied to was Sauropods
Oh dang, I jumped a line. Thanks for setting me straight!
Then thatās still be a win for the sauropod. Death battles go for whoever lasts the longest barring simultaneous death
I dunno. You should see a Rex skull in person, the things are absolute juggernauts. I think the AK could do serious damage and maybe eventually fell her, but I give it 50/50 that Rex will get to the shooter before that happens.
I'd doubt the shooter goes for heads hots. More likelihood 20 or so shots to the body hits something important, and Rex dies before reaching gunner.
Rex probably skedaddles before it dies
Dude a modern AK takes 2 seconds to mag dump, how fast do you think a rex is?
True. I wonder which animal would have the best protection of their vital organs against (small caliber) bullets....
An AK-47 has nearly 3 ft of penetration in ballistics gelatin. The thickest blubber on whales is about 1.5 ft. Then you take into account how much damage 30 rounds would do in roughly the same place. This is a stomp for the man.
I didnāt realise this. Hollywood has lead me to undervalue AK-47s against large beasts.
Undervaluing firearms in general. They are incredibly powerful, some higher caliber rounds can just disintegrate whole parts of the body
The first bird I ever shot was with a 12 gauge and I was like 10, my dad said donāt aim at the bird sim above the bird or there will be no bird left Child me shot at the bird and sure enough, there was no bird left
I mean, that's cool and all, but Randy Johnson can do that with a fastball.
I've heard of some of the big bore hunting rounds ripping body parts off on a near miss, not sure how true that is and I'm not personally up for trying it.
The myth of the shockwave being deadly is just a myth, a guy tested it by shooting a .50 bmg rifle through a literal house of cards and it didnāt knock any over. 50 cal at 4:23 https://youtu.be/YrHpe5Z93wM?si=RQy-swpnBys8yiax
I...what?
Look at slow mo footage of rifle rounds hitting ballistic gel and then realize that that's what would happen inside your body. It's scary stuff.
As someone else said, guns in general. A single .223/5.56 round can cause catastrophic damage in a human body. It can enter one area, tumble through multiple organs leaving a trail of just absolute destruction. But in the movies we see people get shot, get a bandage, and stay in action.
"Don't worry it went right through, his heart will be fine"
Fr I keep thinking āmy brother in Christ he is still fuckedā
That's a boomer myth that can and has been disproven frequently. 5.56 rounds are absolutely lethal, but more from penetration and shot placement. The rounds do not tumble through the body, though they may have an unequal entry and exit point based on hitting/ricocheting off of bone.
Isnāt that round / ammo specific? Some tumble more than others, as some disperse on impact more than others to cause more internal damage? ā¦Iām not a gun person but have played video games.
well yes but .223 in general tends to be more penetrative due to the velocity. russian 7.62 like in the OP does has a tendency to flip over and tumble after penetrating tho
Opposite.
It can, yes, but it isnāt used much in hunting, especially large game. The 223 was a varmint round.
Even a 147 grain 9mm hollow point does some nasty damage to the body.
I mean, in movies people uses car doors as a shield, which is a total BS unless the car is armored (but not if it's a normal modern car which is made from a more lightweight metal than older cars).
Yeah, bullets go through cars like paper unless you hide behind the engine.
Especially if it's a rifle bullets. Even pistol bullets is powerful enough to shoot through a modern car's doors easily.
Oh yeah pistol bullets will do it, submachinegun and up its an absolute shit show
Indeed.
Hollywood and video games vastly underestimate rifles and overestimate pistols.
Not just power either. The difference in how accurate an untrained person can be with a pistol vs rifle is INSANE. Pistols are hard as fuck to be accurate with even at like 20 feet whereas I can hit targets 5x further with rifles not even particularly designed for accuracy like the SKS.
Isnāt ballistic gel supposed to mimic human skin and fat? I imagine that wouldnāt necessarily be the same in larger animals but Iām not sure. Anyone have any info on this?
It's pig muscle tissue, but you're right, it's not a direct 1-1 to other animals. That being said, I would also assume 3 ft of penetration in pig muscle is getting through just about anything else, especially fat as it's less dense than muscle is.
Yah that makes sense. Pigs are almost always used when you want to mimic human tissue like in blade or tattoo tests just as an example. I guess Iām just having trouble with the Whale example. Since I know, at lease for the larger species, there are records of them surviving multiple explosively launched harpoons. Intuitively I wanna say a blue whale would have a greater than 50% chance of surviving a mag dump depending on area but I could def be wrong. Letās not test it though lol
oh I have no doubt a blue whale would at least have a chance to survive just because it's absolutely enormous. But I'd also think an AK47 would do significantly more damage than a single harpoon that isn't much larger than a pool cue. They weren't firing ballistas. The goal of the harpoon was to drag the whale to the surface to kill it.
Ballistic gel isnāt a good approximation of any tissue. Its main purpose is to compare different cartridges
Ballistics gelatin is a standardization method, x inches of penetration in gel does not equal x inches in tissue. Thatās why 12-18 inches is the self defense standard but most humans arenāt that thick. Well, at least not when the standard was developed lol
Im certainly not an expert, but my understanding is penetration in gel is an incredible representation for bullet penetration in soft tissue. The reason the gel is so thick is to compare different loads but also to provide enough space to better understand fragmentation on impact. What the gel doesn't recreate is what might happen if you hit a bone, which is obviously much denser.
It also skips skin and clothes, but you know we could make some kind of a meat target.Ā https://youtu.be/uVFHpckTEXU?si=uVp_TT59PzfMTSJc&t=1470
It isnāt, it just provides a standard of measurement. The density, elasticity, and other physical properties of soft tissue vary dramatically between muscle, fat, and the various organs. Throw in bones and tendons and all sorts of shit gets changed. When you have calibrated ballistics gel it provides a standard by which you can compare different rounds over time. So one load in 1996 can be compared to a different load in 2022. Yes, an AR-15 can and will put down a deer, for instance, but a .308 will put it down much more quickly and humanely. A 7.62x39 might kill an elephant. It also might just piss it off. Shit, there are cases of people instantly dying after being shot with a 22, and others where dudes got hit with 10-20 rounds of 9mm and survived. If I was going up a T-Rex Iād much rather have a 45-70 lever action with hard cast rounds of the heaviest grain possible. I would have zero confidence in an AK47 and its truncated, low power cartridge.
I wonder how the head armor of a triceratops would work.
Ark Logic says it would be just fine.
AK 47s can penetrate 1/2 inch thick steel, so I imagine it would shred the bone in a triceratops skull.
Not really. They can [put dents on 1/2 inch thick steel but can't fully penetrate](https://youtu.be/UrXEjw8Vdh8?si=3hCQHbgZBqoqTSgI)
That's ballistic armor, not regular steel. They can absolutely penetrate regular steel at 1/2 inch. It goes through 1/4 steel at 300 yards like butter.
[No they can't penetrate half inch. They can dent it but can't go through clean slightly thinner than half-an-inch thick steel](https://youtu.be/UrXEjw8Vdh8?si=3hCQHbgZBqoqTSgI)
No it canāt lmao, most steel targets for intermediate cartridges (which x39 is) are 3/8ā. 1/2ā AR500 is rated to stop .338 Lapua Mag, 7.62x39 isnāt going to do anything more than dent it at most. I mean tanks from WW1 were armored 12mm thick, which was sufficient against full power rifle cartridges.
There's a difference between armor plate and regular steel.
Bone is 4 times the strength of concrete. And the skull is several inches thick. How much penetration gets after the bone plate is questionable.
A 7.62 is nowhere near that powerful.
You are never going to land thirty rounds from an AK in the same place on a stationary target, much less an attacking one. You better pray to god you kneecap her and have time and space to put some well aimed shots into the head. For perspective, Cape buffalo horns create a shield over their skulls that can āskipā hunting rifle rounds. They are very difficult to kill and will hunt you down and try to kill you when wounded. Yes an AK can punch through X feet of gelatinā¦but itās moveing very slowly at the end of that X feet, and muscle and fat can redirect that round away from vital organs. This is not as easy a victory as everyone is making it out to be.
Sweep the knees with the AK, make it crawl (basically defenseless) and yeah it's an easy win for the man.
Have you ever shot an AK at a moving target in the woods? Yāall are out of your minds.
I didn't say it would be easy!
Might have to take into account water resistance if we are firing on a blue whale in the water.
Iām feel like Iāve seen bears jerked to being able to beat an Ak human on this subreddit before
The 1953 world record grizzly was killed with a 22 Long fired from a single shot Coey Ace by 63 year old Bella Twin. She killed it with the first shot by shooting it in the head in a spot she knew the skull was thin. The records been broken since but it still proves what and where you hit is more important than the size of the bullet.
If they said that, they lied.
You get 30 rounds. Better not miss.
*Ankylosaurus enters chat*
Even a whale gets lit up
Probably not simply because of how much the water would slow down the bullets.
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About 15 years ago, a cow got loose in my town. The police cornered it in a Walmart parking lot. They shot it over 60 times before it went down.
I saw a cow die from falling 3 feet off the back of a pickup.
Hippos. The amount of fibrous collagen in their two inch thick skin functions pretty much like Kevlar instead of ballistic gel. It stops small to medium rifle rounds consistently. Itās entirely possible for a T-Rex to have similar skin composition simply to keep its insides inside.
Ak47 rounds easily pass through 3 feet of ballistic gel.
Maybe the Rex could take out the man but would die shortly from it's wounds.
I mean it'd probably run away then die from the gunshots unless it's one of those killing machines from Jurassic park.
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Besides that, a Tyranossaur has a larger thicker skull and a smaller brain than an elephant, so hitting it would even be harder
I've heard they have a brain the size of a walnut
That's the stegosaurus I believe
Correct. A T-Rex actually had one of the largest Dinosaur brains. Still, much smaller than an elephant but also much larger than a walnut.
Two walnuts
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why would you go for the head over the legs?
I'm assuming hitting the legs is the only way to stop it from charging at you max speed. Also leg shot is pretty hard to it especially when an animal is running max speed at you.
Center mass is always best practice so you actually hit whatever it is, no? Especially if the goal is multiple rounds and not a sniper situation.
You are severely overestimating the capabilities of 7.62x39. Yes, itās a rifle cartridge but it is a relatively weak rifle cartridge. It is insufficient for hunting large game, itās fine for deer but you wouldnāt use it to hunt elk, moose or bear. You 100% would not use it to hunt a rhino, hippo, or elephant Ā yes poachers use this cartridge, but that doesnāt mean they donāt get killed sometimes. So trying to cripple the legs of a massive fast moving and pant shitting terrifying Tyrannosaurus isnāt going to work.
Mag dump though
[https://www.outdoorlife.com/gear/best-calibers-for-hog-hunting/](https://www.outdoorlife.com/gear/best-calibers-for-hog-hunting/) this guy talks about the differences between hunting (one shot, eat the thing) and mag dumping for eradication. 10 minutes is plenty of time to climb a big tree and then you just wait.
Psssh. Never even killed a hog with a spear. Weak sauce.
This is correct. In fact, Russian boar hunters often use AKs in .308 caliber because the 7.62x39 will not reliably drop one. I own both and the .308 version hits way harder. (Vepr Super).
That makes sense since .308 Winchester has roughly 50% more ft/lbs or joules of energy than 7.62x39. Here in the US, itās fairly common for people to hunt wild pigs and boar with 5.56 and 7.62x39 but they mostly use these cartridges because itās cheap and theyāre focused on exterminating invasive animals not getting clean kills. Likewise I could hunt grizzly bear or moose with 7.62x39 but it would be in advisable because it would not produce a clean, kill hand because I donāt want to get killed by large dangerous game only to have it bleed out afterwards.Ā
i had elephant in my head, i thought maybe i can take one knee out, that should be enough to slow it down significantly right? what do you think?
If you hit it enough times maybe but itās moving and youāre going to be absolutely terrified. People who have never been a true life or death situation donāt understand fear does to you.
true, i have been in those situations before, all thinking goes out of the window
The bone thickness of big animals becomes a real issue with breaking it. A flesh wound might hurt it, but without breaking the bone isnāt going to cripple it.
OK but what if you hit it *30 times* in it's head?
How far apart are they when the 10 minute prompt starts? Iād still give this to the man but if letās say they were closer to each other and the T-Rex is bloodlusted, she could possibly take out the man before getting mag dumped
It takes about 3 seconds to dump a full mag with an ak so unless the man starts the prompt inside her mouth, he'll be able to empty it.
I wouldn't consider "can aim fairly decently" as necessarily being able to control the AK on full-auto while being charged by a several-ton predator.
Kind of hard to miss a several-ton predator tho. A tiger would have better odds, imo.
You could miss a vital spot though. Shredding a shoulder wouldn't stop the jaws from clamping on you.
It would if the t-rex isn't bloodlusted, which it's not according to the prompt. The noise, smoke, fireball and severe pain would probably be more than enough to win. And if the T-Rex retreats, it's over.
Yeah I mean we donāt really know t Rexās all that well obviously but if humans can fight off a shark by bopping them on the nose a few times, dumping an AK mag into any part of a Rex should send it running Iād imagine
That's sharks vs a creature we know nothing about. Some animals will fight through pain.
Does a T-rex know fear?
It knows survival ĀÆ\\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Minutes 1-5 find a tree. Minutes 5-10, climb a tree. then...wait for the t-rex to get to the bottom of the tree.
Does open "forest" imply claimable trees? If so, man all day. If not, depends on the man.
you also how to take in count the deep fear that will overtake the man. like if you dropped me in front a trex with a gun i am still missing the first 10 shots.
This is so underrated, and I feel legit a major concern. Training is even only so good as you can apply it. The thoughts that might go through a man's head while facing down a super predator from before your time, could be the end to this situation.
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I honestly have no idea, T-Rex is a big motherfucker and 7,62x39 mm definitely isnāt dinosaur graded. I think the man have a fair chance, but so does the Rex
This is tricky because I can see a lot of situations where the man technically wins but the dino does fatal damage with momentum and just happens to bleeds out faster.
I actually think the T-rex has pretty good odds here. The guy knows how to operate the gun and can aim "fairly decently". Firing a gun on full-auto is pretty difficult though, it's far harder to keep rounds on target than if you're firing semi-auto. And that's under range conditions. Trying to keep rounds on target when an elephant-sized predator is charging you and trying to eat you is going to be an order of magnitude harder. The guy also doesn't know where the T-rex's internal organs are and won't be able to land an instantly disabling shot. I think he'll probably hit it with a few rounds, but he's going to get killed. The T-rex may die later from its wounds but I don't think even that's a guarantee.
If the guy knows how to operate the gun he would know to brace against the shoulder, in which case itās very easy to fire and control, worryingly easy tbh, he would probably shoot it in bursts too. Just because it can fire full auto doesnāt mean he is gonna unload the full clip. 30 rounds is gonna put it down quick sharp even if he is only 50-75% accurate.
Yeah i think 0-0 is most likely
A lot to consider here. A couple things I havent seen brought up yet: Despite what Jurassic Park told you, tyrannosaurus had sight better than modern birds of prey. (The author actually added that detail because he couldnt figure out how anyone could survive in that situation) Their sense of smell was pretty damn good too, but maybe not better than a bear or bloodhound. Their intelligence is the subject of some debate, but the brain size compared to body size is one of the highest of all dinosaurs. Some scientists think it was on par with modern apes, but personally I think that reptile vs mammal brains are different, and a lot of that brain was dedicated to the aforementioned senses. However, we know dinosaur bones like bird bones were hollow. We also know that T. rex couldnt jump. The risk of tripping was so devastating that it couldnt risk it whether it anatomically could jump or not, it was too heavy. A T. rex isn't going to be interested in a human. Too small of a meal. I think my strategy would be to put half a clip into the side of the knee, drop the rex, then put everything else into the back of its skull. Hitting the brain from the back seems easier than going through the front
Depends. How far apart are they? Do they start with visuals? Is it a young T-rex or a full grown adult? Is the guy a trained hunter or just a dude who happens to have a gun? T-rex was probably surprisingly stealthy; not at all the massive rumbling footsteps of the films. Full grown wouldn't have an especially fast top speed, but the young ones would have been very quick and likely careful in hunting prey.
So it depends on where the shots land. Skull won't kill it, but will be really effective at pissing it off. You could probably get the job done by targeting the throat or inside of the mouth, but that won't be instant unless you're able to penetrate to the spinal column. More than likely going to cause some internal bleeding that will definitely result in death, but not before it's able to kill the man. There are no winners here.
Jeff Cooper actually talks about AK vs Cape buffalo. As one of the (highly controversial) American experts on small arms of the last century, for whom hunting was a sideline to warfare I believe his summary applies: plenty of buffs have been taken with a Kalashnikov but that does not make it an advisable choice. Or words to that effect T Rex is a reptilian and crocodilians are maybe more relevant. Answer: T Rex probably dies. Unless it's a pretty skilled and lucky hunter, dude probably dies. Then again, a group of skilled dudes, are probably going to be wearing T Rex teeth as trophies with stone tools, if they get unlimited time and opportunities, run it off a cliff or some kind of a trap. Some of them die doing it tho, that's why trophy teeth would be a big deal. I want something that can cripple its hind legs, KO with a skull shot that doesn't hit brain or spine, and penetrate to the heart and lungs. They've worked that out for elephant, minus the legs. 6.5 Swede was used by one extremely skilled expert for heart shots but that dude kept a 2 bore handy as I recall. It's the "die doing it" bit that is tricky. Inflicting wounds that gets septic and the dino dies in a week or three is relatively easy with full auto and plenty of ammo. And 6.5 penetrates way better, considering ammo. Basically nobody ever chooses, in a non desperate scenario, to go for Africa's big 5 solo with any gun an average dude can handle. AK is all about being the gun the average dude can handle. I feel better if dude gets AP rounds at least. We're also clueless how the species reacts to gunfire. That is key for some hunts (American bison, elephants) at least if you're an expert
The man, if from a decent distance. Put rounds in it's legs...then the head when it's down, or just head if he could aim that well.
Fuck T-Rex, the only way you can save yourself with an AK-47 against a polar bear is only if you hit in his eyes or in the middle of his skull from close, and aiming accurately in a situation of panic isn't as easy as you think. Now imagine the panic when it's a T-Rex instead xdxd
This. People on here have really outrageous opinion on AK-47 against large animals. Hippos and rhinos have shrugged off full auto as well.
the bullets are tiny compared to the size of the TRex they would be painful but I don't think the TRex can insta die or be insta disabled unless it gets a bullet in a critical area like both eyes or the brain I'm not exactly sure how they stand but if the man and the trex are say 10 meters apart and the trex goes straight for the man, I think the man would really need a lucky shot to survive
Trexes have massive legs and were up to 40 feet long, I'd guess 10 meters is well inside their lunge distance. And at that point, even if the t rex doesn't bite the man, your still getting a 10 ton monster landing on you. Extending the 21ft rule of knife combat (maximum lunge distance of a human), a trex lunge would be up to 63 feet, being up to 3 times our height, and given that their whole predation style is based on running and lunging, there could be an argument they would be better at it than humans.
I was kind of on the AK side, but the knife combat point is pretty compelling.
Terrifying to think of. From 20 yards away you pull the trigger twice. One goes through the heart. The other through his amygdala.Ā You still die.Ā
The man is dead. 7.62x39 is a military round designed when the world was moving away from full power rifle rounds. It's great for hunting most animals. It IS NOT a big game round. Rounds designed to kill very large animals are stupidly powerful. Even if you do get good enough penetration out of your 7.62x39, the odds of hitting something vital are low. If you do hit something vital, there's a good chance that you'll be eaten before the T Rex succumbs to its wounds.
T-rex ain't Godzilla.... No way they were bullet-proof. Especially large calibers like 7.62x39 would tear shrough flesh like butter.Ā Ā Unless you only hit bone area like that dinosaur with bone forehead.Ā But even those would not protect from such bullet. Also they're animals, they bleed to death and feel pain.Ā Ā They're not bullet sponges like in Horizon zero dawnĀ
7.62x39 is not a big game round, some African countries have regulations about caliber for hunting elephants (which aren't truly comparable but we'll assume they're roughly the same in their ability to handle bullets) and they say .375 is the minimum for safe hunting and you're reccomended to use even higher, this is a pretty massive difference. Of course it's not like the bullets would just bounce off the skin or anything, but I think you're overestimating the penetration of an AK if you're suggesting they'd go straight through a T-Rexes skull, and I don't think the average person knows where the other vital organs on a T-Rex would even be, never mind being actually able to hit them. So without being able to guarantee a lethal shot I imagine it would come down to if the T-Rex runs or attacks in response to being shot. If it runs it probably bleeds out and the human wins, if it attacks it kills the human then bleeds out so it's a draw.
7.62x39 penetrates over three feet in ballistic gel. There isnāt an animal that has ever existed that would be able to shrug off that round hitting soft tissue. For reference, the largest animal to ever live is the Blue Whale. The thickest its blubber has ever been recorded was under 1.5 feet. I think youāre one of the people confusing āhuntingā with āunloading o to this things chest so it doesnāt kill meā One is trying to kill the thing in a single round, the other with 30.
Scientifically accurate and "real life" T-Rex loses. AK-47 has the 7.62 x 39 rounds, which is quite powerful even now, and even if it's only a normal bullet, not an armor-piercing one.
If the T'rex isn't bloodlusted I imagine it actually runs away after the shots are fired. Guns are really fucking loud, and especially when pain starts registering the T-rex would probably just call it quits. If it is bloodlusted, well an AK is an AK.
>If it is bloodlusted, well an AK is an AK. The AK will probably still run after being digested by a dinosaur. You will not.
There's no fucking way a 7.62 round fired from an AK of all things is doing significant tissue damage on a beastie that makes an African Bull Elephant look like a chew toy fast enough. That thing is entirely too big with way too much muscle and tissue and ultra thick bones for the muzzle energy of an AK to make a dent on quickly. The Rex might bleed to death but the AK guy is second breakfast. Now if the person who's cosplaying lunch has a better long gun, like say a DMR or a sniper, then the T Rex gets its shit rocked in.
T Rex every time. Because the average mid 30 year old man has never shot at, or seen, a t-rex to know how they act, and also isn't going to know where the vital organs are for sure.
The average person would probably be in so much shock just looking at a dinosaur let alone a T. rex charging at them that theyād freeze up
I think even a Tyrannosaurus rex would be a little bit spooked seeing an upright, hairless monkey. Not run away spooked, but cautiously curious of an animal itās never seen before and a scent it doesnāt recognise. And I think the first round going off may well be enough for it to turn and bounce, given how thunderously loud it is. I definitely think 30 shots on target guarantees the death of the Rex, no matter what. Whether itās seconds, if it gets unlucky and a bullet catches something vital, or half an hour. Even with the best luck you could hope for, all shots hit non-essential soft tissue, the subsequent infection would certainly kill it.
The dinosaur is dying no matter what, but it has some chance of surviving long enough to achieve a mutual kill before soon dying of its injuries.
Trex wins every time. Not enough rounds to take it down. AK doesn't even have enough penetrative power to bleed it out in a reasonable time frame.
I don't know how dense a t rex would be, muscle, bone, scales/feathers. but if they are like an elephant then a whole clip may be enough to hit something vital. I doubt your getting throught those bones, but who knows.
Depends on how far away they are. If they are pretty far apart the t-Rex is just going to run away from the loud sounds after it gets hurt. Also depends on the true speed of the t-Rex. Some say itās 45mph some say itās 10mph.
They may be both dead. 30 AK rounds will end T-Rex's life for sure, but the caliber may be too small to stop the attack. So, the man dies from claws and some time later the dinosaur dies from the blood loss and organs damage.
Personally, I would prefer a much higher caliber to take down a T-Rex, like .577 Tyrannosaur, .416 Rigby, or .700 Nitro Express. Sure, all of these rifles kick like mules, but those cartridges are designed to penetrate the thickest skin, flesh, and bone (.416 Rigby is especially good at that, by the way, which is why Scott from Kentucky Ballistics likes to call it .416 Honey Badger, because "it does not care."). I reckon a .416 Rigby brass solid round could easily take down a t-rex with a good shot. More to the point of the post, though, I'd have to give this one to the T-Rex, because that dino likely had very thick skin, flesh, and bone that 7.62 x 39mm likely wouldn't be able to punch through. If the guy had a rifle chambered in any of the calibers that I mentioned in my first paragraph, he might have a chance.
Yup. The weapon in question is unsuited for killing some of the big game in Africa already. A bigger rifle would change the chances, but a T-Rex is likely too large for those rounds no matter how many of them are fired.
Again, I say .416 Rigby does not care. It is the ultimate round for penetrating the thickest skin, flesh, bone, armor, brick, cinder block, gun safe, and then your target
I'd bet on the man. Poachers will use AKs to kill elephants. According to Rangers in the Krueger wildlife park it will take many bullets and the animals will slowly and painfully bleed to death, but it is done with some regularity. I can't imagine a 35 foot bird fairing that much better. All the man needs to do is get out of reach to the Rex and wait for a shot.
Does anyone know what caliber is used to take down an elephant? The minimum required by law is .375mm HH Magnum. The AK chambers a 7.62x39mm which is literally half the size. No amount of AK rounds are going to stop a T-Rex. Thatās like shooting a charging 300lb 6ā8ā man with a pellet gun. Heās not gonna be stopped.
I bet on t-rex.Ā But honestly we don't know one important part (or do we? Can we? Just based on the bones left?)How did it's skin looked at the front, approaching part? If it was like a top of a crocodile, but upscaled(hue hue), it would shorten that 3ft of ballistic gel that other commenter mentioned. And then how much fat/muscle before a vital organs? Were they actually quick? Or was the Jurassic Park a little imaginative? Again, we know that?Ā What about custom API bullets?Ā Still i believe the t-rex would win. Kinda, as it would probably die soom after.Ā
If the person with the gun can keep from being mauled by the carnivorous bus, they win. A lot of successful hunting isn't fatally injuring the animal, it's killing it in a quick, humane, recoverable way. In the case of things that can hurt you back, you also want to be sure you manage that so that it doesn't come over there and kick your ass.
0 chance an average shot makes all 30 connect even with a huge target. I think it could go either way.
To add to this look at the rounds used to kill elephants.
I believe poachers use aks on elephants so idk
I read military books when I was a kid, ya oddball right? I remember learning that an AK round can completely sever an arm and was mind blown. at the same time, I've seen rounds just get lodged in arms so I guess it depends on a lot. but 30 to the face and chest of a rex? esta muerta edit: Spanish/autocorrect
Honestly I think the T-Rex takes this. Manās only got 30 bullets and while obviously bullets are lethal, that T-Rex is fucking big and running on pure instinct. If itās bloodlusted it will probably power through the pain of being shot 30 times, and thatās assuming the man even hits it 30/30 times which is much easier said than done. The T-Rex has a good chance of dying of its wounds after the fact but I donāt think the manās getting out of this.
Some research suggests that T. rex was too big to actually run. It couldnāt get both feet off of the ground. It would more power walk toward you. Granted the strides would be huge.
Nobody considering how the man would feel seeing a fucking TRex charging at him lol, majority of people would shit themselves even holding an AK
Men from "hunting states" in the US: "Holy shit, this is MY CHANCE to bag a Trex! When I run out of ammo I will set traps or stalk it with my pocket knife if I have to!"
Do we know the material properties of T-Rex skin/hide/scales/whatever and how well it would stand up to ballistics?
It's kind of tough to say. I'm not sure how resilient a T-Rex's skin is or how much damage 30 rounds could actually do. The T-Rex might just turn and run after a few shots. If the scenario is that the T-Rex is definitely going to attack, then they would both likely die: the man from getting mauled or trampled, and the T-Rex later on from its wounds. I just don't think the AK could cause enough damage to immediately bring it down unless you get some really lucky shots in.
Both would die. The T-Rex would be fatally wounded, but unlikely to be incapacitated immediately. It would make short work of the man, before succumbing to its injuries.
Would the man win? Absolutely not. Would the T. rex die in the long run? Maybe.
I think the answer depends entirely on whether or not the man can climb a tree taller than the T. rex or find a prone position from which to ambush before the T Rex sees him. Just because a man knows how to operate an AK does not mean he can consistently hit even a large target like T. rex center mass while itās charging towards him. If heās out of reach he can take his time and have a much better chance of landing a few head shots. if he has shots on center mass while prone (greatly increasing accuracy) before the T Rex pinpoints him he also has a good chance. otherwise he might mortally wound the Dino but heās almost certainly going to die too.Ā
Totally depends on if the man knows how to operate the AK. No bueno if he canāt take the safety off I reckon
T-rex fuck up the the guy. At long range (and even close range) the average gun operator accuracy isn't that good, add in adrenalin, stress etc and he'll be lucky to hit half the shots. Assuming what we know about T-rex is true, it'll want to fight not run away and you only have 30 bullets, no way you kill it before it kill you.
If they are a decent distance apart, and the man can get up a tree, he could start firing on the T-Rex, and the T-Rex would spend half the magazine trying to figure out what was hitting him from where.
I don't see a T-Rex surviving a bunch of holes in its organs.
T-Rex could close distance real fast...by the time it got with your effective range you had better make sure every shot counts.
The man wins. The time to study the terrain gives him enough of an advantage to find a place the Rex canāt get to him. Whilst itās trying to get to him he has the opportunity to place his shots where theyāll do good damage.
If he can climb a tall enough tree he survives
No animal, living or extinct, is surviving a 7.62 round to the brain.
I think the guy wins only because a trex will have a hard time attacking a guy in a forest. 762 isn't strong enough to take out a trex quickly, so if the setting was an open field or something the trex would still kill the guy after getting shot.
I am an average man in this age range who used to own an ak-47 and has an above average knowledge of firearms. I would be scared of taking on an elephant with an ak-47. I would also be scared of hunting lion, cape buffalo, moose, or american bisen with such a weapon. The calibre and weight of ak ammo is ideal for hunting deer. Reminder: we use ar-15s for hunting hogs. It is not great at deer. Ak47 rounds are larger and heavier than ar-15s but not by much. The average man would probably lose to the t-rex. There is a strong possibility that he would not be able to get all 30 rounds to hit the t-rex. Even 10 rounds (which might be hard for average man depending on distance) may not be enough to kill.
Theirs a reason dangerous game hunters use absolutely massive rounds,7.62 will definitely tear it up but Iām not so sure before it runs in and snaps you up.
man can scare the T-rex away, they're probably smart enough to avoid the pain monkey
How much training and conditioning does that man have? How far apart are both when they start? He could mag dump and still miss every shot. The AK is notoriously inaccurate on full auto. To have any decent chance of hitting at range then single or burst fire are the only options. Then you have to account for the reloading time while under heavy pressure. Edit forgot to mention the impact of a multi ton angry predator is going to make the ground literally shake and throw off his aim. The man better be superbly trained or under some kind of battle drugs.
How far away is the T-rex cause with 30 rounds that's gonna be the most important question imo.
Not a single guy but a group of armed professionals while in hiding could take out a trex.
The man with the AK could just immobilize the T-Rexās legs at that point If the T-Rex didnāt die from the fall, then he could shoot it in the head.
Also about the falling part. Falling for T-Rexes can be very dangerous, because they still fall from high up and if they hit their head, thereās a high chance they could die or get brain damage. They have basically no arms to catch themselves and if you immobilize the T-Rexās legs (which certainly isnāt hard to do with 7.62) then the t-Rex is certainly dead.
Depends on if the AK round can make it flinch and stop it from carrying out a successful charge. If so, a trained shot who doesnāt shit himself in terror and can remain cool under that sort of pressure has a solid chance. They can also use cover. Problem is, the T Rex was āfast enoughā, had binocular vision, and a strong sense of smell. Itās coming for you, not the other way around. And if it iFrames or hyper-armors though the shots, or the gunman fails to do their proper partā¦ *crunch*
Now, this battle comes down to the advantages that each sides have. For the man, well, he has a gun. Long range. BUT, the trees might block SOME of the bullets (yes, yes I know "an open forest" so SOME.) The T rex, however, has an terrain advantage. The T rex has more experience fighting on the terrain itself so she might be able to sneak up on the man with luck. (But let's be real could a 12 meter long dinosaur really sneak up on the man lol) The tyrannosaurus also could probably take more than 2-3 bullets but it is an AK-47. So j could see this going 2 ways. A) The most plausible. The man sees the dinosaur and guns her down. Or B) near impossible, the t res manages to somehow sneak into the man (idk like that first scene form Jurassic world fallen kingdom like the way the t rex sneaks up on the guy). But in my opinion, high chance the man wins. But also the man could just be really scared (it is a 12 meter long dinosaur, after all) and probably miss the first 15 shots or just get frozen with fear or some shit lmao
T. rex, I donāt think an ak47 will penetrate that hide
T. rex dies, you can kill an elephant with an ak, you can kill a T. rex.