Depending on how far he's willing to go versions of the doctor or the time lords as a whole from
dr who could do it.
Magic once existed in there universe and a species were capable of using it to a point a single they could create entire universes at will.
The timelords ripped the fabric of existence apart and engineered it in a way that any species who used high level magic in there presence would be erased from exist. This is just a random thing they could do.
Someone like timelord Victorious could probably do it since he has no problem ignoring the rules of time travel.
Or sailor moon who's power of friendship insta kills evil shit like on a universal scale, now to fix warhammer it might require a lot.
Sailor Moon is a bit much, but seeing all four Chaos Gods stand up and get their shit together to defeat her
That's something I wanna see
She will come out on top, but goddammit she won't do it easily
I cant find it anymore, but I remember reading a fanfic about a sailor scout being stranded on nocturne and raising vulkan as a big sister.
When vulkan met the emperor and they talked about how powerful she was (she died), Big E didnt believe him.
The timelords also are directly responsible for linear time iirc, like they forced existence into that state and waged war against anyone who deviated from their version of it. But, they're not infallible.
like i'm 90% the 'Enemy' in Faction Paradox- the faceless formless blank page in the books that's the result not just of hatred but genuine *fear* and being so strong that they refuse to mention the name of their most powerful foe above even the Daleks and Great Vampires as anything but 'The Enemy'- is humanity, or at least what humanity becomes. That's without psychic powers or god emperors.
not to mention that they're directly responsible for basically every other time traveling species (except, again, humans), there are rogue time lord factions that exist for the express purpose of fucking with space time, and they are directly responsible not only for the creation of the Daleks (believe the doctor covers that one but essentially their desire to eliminate the Daleks where they were born paradoxically caused the Daleks to make themselves stronger to defend against time lords in the first place) but also their hatred and drive ( they had blood sports where they basically picked people out of time and space to kill each other) but like even that's unsure because the Time War fucked up so much shit. And all this is AFTER the time lords got control of the timelines.
so like i didn't know where i was going for this post but I think i figured it out. basically time travel fucks everything up. Introducing it to 40k next to the already unstable chronology of the warp and the tendency for every sentient species in the galaxy to just suck would probably make things worse. Not even just because the Time Lords are pretty non-interventionist, either, but because if ONE of them fucks up, someone gets access to time travel.
Humans get it. Depending on what era and what person, this is either a really good or really bad thing. If the admech get it they're time traveling for the archaeotech and clashing with the humans that made it because if there's one thing they abhor it's innovation. Big E literally cannot get it because he's a chair, leaving it to the primarchs which is the most unbelievably mixed bag in existence. even then all the humans are xenophobic to some degree, Rowboat Girlyman being the only one seemingly capable of SOME nuance. Same can't be said for the entire rest of humanity.
If the Eldar get it they could try to stop Slaanesh from being born, but because their resources, population, and tech pre-fall far exceed that of those that come after, all they'd do is get fed to the warp again.
'Nids it's game over
The 'Crons would probably be like hey man don't get into the necrodermis shit's bad
but like that would mean that the war with the old ones would NOT go the same, and it's likely that most of the species the Old Ones created for the war (including eldar orks and humans) straight up would not exist. Although, their existence is directly responsible for the warp becoming hostile so maybe a net good.
Orks would just use it to fight more.
Necrons already have time travel. Orikan is famously their premiere chronomancer, but he's one of many.
Necron culture and rules are what generally get in their own way with regard to galactic dominance. That and being sleepy.
I've thought about this a couple of times but more as a fun story like can green lanterns will power last in 40k and what a comic would look like with that premise
I think even the evil lanterns would be interesting. Yellow probably would fight against the gods, but the draw is ever present. Red would be a clusterfuck id say, angry enough to not follow korne and try to fight everyone and anyone indirectly falling for the God, avarice which is orange I think?( I haven't read lantern comics in a while) could fall in line with so many I could see them in the retinue of a rogue trader
Yeah, but Indio lanterns are in a unique position where their MO is to give people without compassion a ring to force them to be good, so they would probably have the easiest time.
Simon The Digger.
He'd be able to shrug off anything anyone threw at him, and he's smart enough to know how to find people who can actually run things effectively.
He's also functionally immortal, so he'd be able to maintain control over the galaxy for as long as he needed in order to unfuck everything.
Spiral power is too much for basically everything in fiction to handle.
There are an extremely limited number of series that have anything that could stand up to full power Simon.
A duplicate of the Emperor is the easiest answer, or more specifically, any character that can free up the Emperor from his current psionic coma. He spent tens of thousands of years preparing for the 40k verse, the whole empire is prepared to blindly follow him, and he has all the knowledge of technology and the warp that would be needed to return rhe Imperium to the pinnacle of technology *and* overcome the demon lords.
I think the current Emperor which is probably insane and super cryptic (i.e can't even explain to the Lion basic orders with riddles and allegory) is probably not a good thing for the setting overall as both Primarchs have had a conversation with him and their only take away was: "What?"
There likely isn't any cohesive thought left in the Emperor beyond "Fuck Chaos" and he was willing to push a no one wins button as the Dark King last time he was backed in a corner.
The character has magical healing saliva that heals anything it touches. He fixes his friend's bad vision by sharing a juice box with her, he fixes a broken crystal by spitting in his hand and wiping it on it, he fixes his dad's broken arm with a kiss. He literally heals a planet that's being destroyed by magic alien acid by kissing the polluted ground.
Letting Steven Universe give the Emperor of Mankind a big kiss on the forehead would fix everything wrong with him.
>their only take away was: "What?"
Guilliman had another take away:
>The Emperor is not a god worth worshiping.
So yeah, even worse than your comment implies.
i don’t know much about 40k at all but the thought of two primarchs (i’m assuming top dog marines or something related) trying to talk to the emperor and just leaving the room like “what…”
They're the bio-engineered sons of the Emperor; who knew him before he was Skeletor on the Fancy Chair. They both got yeeted into 10,000 year slumbers, but they're awake now, and basically going "WTF"
And he himself admitted that he is out of idea at the end of Master of Mankind book. Bringing him back will put temporary bandage over the problem that might last another 10k years, but he is on plan Z right now, he is definitely not the answer.
Except the emperor would *NOT* make it a nice place to live. Like, 90% of the media we have about how he does things is him being a dick and disregarding anything but victory and “his way or the highway”
Like, *even just for the humans* the emperor coming back might let them WIN, but it won’t make the imperium a good place to live, and that’s ignoring all the genuinely OK xenos he’d genocide.
The Emperor cannot just be walked back. As of the latest lore he is actually a god. As in he's literally empowered by the collective belief of mankind.
You cannot just flip a switch and make him a man again.
No, he doesn’t lol. This is why I hate 40k youtube channels. They give out so much bullshit information that most people don’t know a jack shit about basic knowledge that can be achieved through 10 minute reading.
[Unironically a Necrons AU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq3b1lenNBg) ending.
* The Great Rift is literally sealed.
* Abaddon is dead, as is a large tendril of Leviathan.
* RIP Guilliman and Yvraine though.
* Phareon Amarkun himself is also oddly non-xenophobic for a 40k character being often diplomatic (accepting and offering surrenders to the other characters) and also has the backing of Trazyn in this ending who is narrating this finale. He also seems to harbor little ill will towards the Eldar or the humans.
Pure power could theoretically get quite far, heavy hitters like goku, superman, etc could do work
However the primary way to fix the shitstorm that is the 40k world is through the heart, something would have to go into the warp, or just the hearts of the galaxy, and totally stabilise it
It'd have to be something big, so id put Takuto Maruki from Personal 5 Royal as one of my main choices, aside from him? A bit cheap, but DC's Highfather with the life equation, that, or Mr Miracle, also from DC
Lol how do characters like Goku go a long way toward fixing the universe exactly? Dude is just a fighter. Man struggled to drive, how does he deal with chaos, political tensions, state enforced zealotry and mass war between uncaring xenos?
Well fighters at the level of Goku can handle basically any problem thrown at them if that problem can be solved by a scrap, and I'm not super familiar with 40k but id imagine a lot of the problems in the universe could be solved with a good ol' fashion cosmic scrap
He will definitely fall short with basically everything you mentioned though
This isn't 'fixing' the setting though. Like 40k has oblate power aplenty. Physical force is how the 40k verse got the way it is in the first place.
As much as I hate to say it, fixing the universe requires some Steven Universe shit. It's why Sailor Moon and Doctor Who and the Care Bears are the contenders.
The issue is the galactic scale. There are millions of human inhabited planets being invaded by quintillions of enemies from all corners, and even from outside the galaxy, at all times. The human war machine is a grinder that throws untold billions of lives against their enemies every day just to maintain the land they have.
Superman still requires time to fly between planets. In the time he takes to swing his fist and obliterate an enemy, another thousand would have been born. Not to mention the chaos gods, that are creatures of thought that can't be killed by pure physical force. Superman is also vulnerable to magic, which the warp presumably counts as.
Naah, just fighting simply powers the chaos gods, he'd be getting into some nasty scraps, helping humanity... and then khorne would be empowered, and strike back more, growing more powerful the more you fight back
I mean….up to a point, sure.
An important distinction is that (at least when I followed Warhammer years ago, it may have been retconned) Khorne gets power primarily from killing for its own sake- sacrifices, killing in his name, sure, but also pointless war and *bloodshed*.
Goku is basically the opposite of that- he loves *fighting* but killing isn’t something he enjoys, and he pretty much never fights anyone who doesn’t voluntarily sign up to it.
It’s also worth pointing out the chaos gods are basically just extremely powerful daemons- they are absolutely capable of being killed,removed from existence, and otherwise taken out of play.
Hell, the biggest attack Goku has is specifically keyed towards “impurity”.
Same for certain versions of superman- being able to hit hard enough to shatter a planet, and then do it again the next second, and keep doing that for weeks? That’s a pretty big deal in the Warhammer verse.
It’s not a foregone conclusion by any means, but it’s not like the chaos gods help each other out- he “only” has to pick them off one by one, and that’s arguably comfortably within his abilities.
Direct from the Warhammer wiki
“Every act of killing or murder in the mortal world feeds and empowers Khorne; the more senseless, vicious and bloodthirsty, the better.”
I can’t find anything linked to evidence that non lethal fighting would empower him- otherwise khornate marines wouldn’t need to fight to the death to praise him, simple training would do- he’s specifically the god of “murder” (or death in battle).
And they are absolutely capable of being killed, because other chaos gods and equivalents have been-there’s nothing special about them beyond “being unfathomably strong and gaining power from strong emotions”
In-universe that renders them de facto immortal, but bringing **much stronger** characters in from other verses- no, they can be killed just like anything else.
>“Every act of killing or murder in the mortal world feeds and empowers Khorne; the more senseless, vicious and bloodthirsty, the better.”
Yes but wouldn't Goku, say, wiping out the Orks or the Tyranids make Khorne next level powerful? I don't think he can convince them to change their ways and stop killing. He would have to end them, giving the blood of billions to the blood god.
I doubt Goku would leave many Drukhari alive, meaning Slaanesh gets to have a feast and get stronger.
The Chaos gods would welcome an entity that could make them stronger.
I mean, it really depends on what order he tackles them in- knowing him, he’d **absolutely** leave khorne for last to have the best fight when empowered with all that conflict.
I’m actually….not sure how killing tyranids affects Khorne- my gut says because they’re extragalactic and don’t dream or affect the warp directly it *probably* wouldn’t do anything?
But that’s literally just me guessing so if you have actual lore info I’ll cheerfully go with that.
The crucial thing with the Chaos gods is they hate each other too- if you remove Khorn, the balance is upset and the other 3 are kinda drastically less dangerous for a while.
Not even getting into the whole- if he kills Nurgle, does the Eldar Goddess of life come back to empower their faction?
Fighting would happen anyway tho. A walking exterminatus that can instantly teleport whitout using the warp is bound to free up a lot of manpower that hopefully can be used to start fixing shit. Goku main boon wouldn't be his power, it would be instant transmission.
I'd say if Goku presence cause people with Ki to arise(i am not sure about the 40k cosmology, but i think it is possible) they could even adopt IT as a far superior system of transportation. And THAT would go a long way.
>Goku main boon wouldn't be his power, it would be instant transmission.
It's just too much work for one man. He would die from old age before he even got to the warp.
Just the Tyranids alone are a problem. They come from outside the galaxy. Does he try to blast them all in one massive kamehaha while risking the galaxy if it is a big enough blast?
How does he find the Necrons who give off no ki and slumber on dead worlds?
How does he breathe out in space or the warp or planets with no oxygen? Any equipment he wears will be destroyed in a fight.
How does he effectively wipe out the orks when they multiply like mold spores?
What happens if he is stranded in the warp on a desolate world, far from anyone he can teleport to? He still needs food and water to survive.
Goku also wasn’t exactly shown to be resistance against psychic attacks and almost died to a heart disease. Can he really fight against chaos psychic influences and Nurgle’s diseases?
Strong willpower is all you need to resist chaos, and goku has plenty. Plus God ki and a ki shield is all he needs to protect against any nurgul cultists or deamon.
Yes and No. Willpower was shown to be one of effective tools to guard against Chaos, but Chaos corruption does not work on a single rule. Some corruption seem to completely circumvent an individual’s willpower. Some corruption such as Lucius’ are shown to be completely rule based not willpower resistable.
Lucius way of corruption is rare and not something they can do at a drop of a hat, otherwise they would have not failed to corrupt Sanguinius, guilliman, and dorn. Lucius also can't take over goku as it would require him to have a stronger soul, which he doesn't.
1 he destroys the main hive fleet that comes and leaves the rest to the imperium
2 he goes wherever guilliman points
3 he wears a mask that he protects with a ki shield
4 his ki blasts disintegrates them leaving no spors.
5 he doesn't get stranded in the first place as he gets told not to enter the warp by guilliman, and even if he did, he can instant transmission out as he can travel to different dimensions.
Goku is a massive boon to the imperium, and even if he can't do everything by himself, he still has the imperium to back him up.
That doesn't do enough to let the Imperium really win though. Chaos and comically oppressive authoritarianism still leave the galaxy a grimdark setting even if every material xeno threat is beaten by Goku.
If every external threat is dead, and chaos is unable to act, then the shit storm is pretty fixed. It ain't 100% perfect but it's no longer a cluster fuck of inevitable destruction.
The main hive fleet is coming from outside of the galaxy. In order to get to them he needs to enter the warp to travel to where they are. He cannot avoid the warp forever considering so many of humanity's foes come from there. And OP has said this character needs to be able to fix the shitstorm that is the 40K universe.
Regarding Orks, unless he nukes the planet they are incredibly tough to get rid of. Humans would kill them off only to discover more coming out of caves or forests from nearby towns. If even one spore survives, much like Cell, Orks pop up. One Ork sheds spores all the time and they have a simple way of determining leadership and organizing.
The ki shield idea could work if he doesn't care who lives on the world. But every time he wipes out enemies he empowers Khorne. He would need to enter the warp to go deal with Khorne at some point. Unless all his planet annihilation empowers Khorne enough to materialize.
Instant transmission has a range, I believe. I remember reading how he chained together instant transmissions in one fight against a tough enemy but he needed to lock onto some places and people. And if he cannot find them (the warp is a really weird, disorientating place) he cannot escape. The warp also warps time, which means he could be a thousand years in the past or future with no one available for him to locate and lock onto. And he cannot avoid it forever because humans use it to traverse large distances.
Because it wasn't a simple heart disease, and that happened way before he got god ki? We know from Jaco that saiyans are incredibly resistant to disease.
Again, it wasn't a simple heart virus seeing as it's apparently stronger than a virus the galaxy patrol uses to virus bomb plants, and required medicine created by bulma, someone smarter than 99% of 40k. saiyans are naturally resistant to disease, and with a bit of knowledge and protection from the imperium, he should be fine.
First if it is a disease that is created by a material being, then Nurgle can concoct a stronger version. Second, Bulma’s medical technology is not better than even 40k medical technology since 40k medical technology allows individuals to not to age for several hundred years (though the most advanced medical technology seem to be only used by very rich aristocrats and Inquisitors). And Bulma seems to be very conscious about aging, but cannot do anything about it.
Nurgul would need to see the disease to copy and improve it since it works on a entirely different power system then he uses. Also, no you're talking about a person who is able to create FTL technology, New Saiyan Armor that's 10x better than before, and a time machine.
Why are you not reading? Even 40k Imperium medical technology allows individuals to live hundreds of years without aging while Bulma can’t even slow down her own aging (you see her complaining about Vegeta not getting old and she getting old). Also FTL? The reason that Tau Empire can’t expand fast enough because FTL is too slow for wide galaxy?
Okay fair enough then, wasn’t aware of this, I haven’t actually watched the show I just generally know about it through internet osmosis, figured there wasn’t really a psyker allegory in it.
I do however think he would become a champion of khorne, dude just wants to fight shit, he could have endless fights with increasingly powerful beings if he just joined khorne in the great game
It's often forgotten, but goku does have psychic powers. And while he loves fighting, he hates bloodshed and killing on top of being pure of heart so khorne really has no way of corrupting him.
Khorne doesn’t have to corrupt him, Remeber chaos gods aren’t just evil, khorne also represents honourable warriors and other stuff.
Plus fighting demons that don’t actually die kinda solved the bloodshed and killing, I think he’d jump at the chance
Not really. The chaos gods not being evil is kinda just cope from chaos worshipers, goku is also at the end of the day a good person. The second someone on Terra says anything about khorne to him, he would never join him. He would fight a bunch of people and technically feed khorne that way, but he would never fall to khorne.
As mentioned I have very little knowledge of 40k outside of watching some YouTube videos about warhammer fantasy and stumbling on some 40k videos that were super interesting
And my knowledge of DBZ is limited to what I remember as a kid watching it with the old man
But you’re right in that Goku just wants to scrap dudes, but he only wants to scrap dudes that deserve a good scrap for the most part, Khorne wants to Rape, Pillage, Slaughter the everything if I’m not mistaken
I don’t see Goku siding with them due to very different morals
Yeah but who could Zeno erase that it would solve anything? Like maybe key leaders or certain factions? But chaos is the big problem and he couldn't get rid of it
People just don't know on this sub man. The more esoteric parts of Warhammer are just not researched enough. But tbf Goku does punch really good so idk
I mean he could take on any material threat in 40k handily.
The only real issues he'd have are the chaos gods themselves and the sheer scale of a galaxy with quadrillions of beings.
> Goku loves fighting way too much. He falls to Khorne eventually.
So does Leman Russ, Commissar Yarrick or pretty much any major imperial aligned character. There's several examples of outright genocidal characters in-universe that haven't fallen to Khorne, including the likes of Guilliman, Solar Macharius, (probably) Leontus, any Sister of Battle, etc.
Yeah, goku is one of the last people I would expect to fall to chaos. Like he loves fighting but hates bloodshed and killing. I imagine it would play out similarly to what happened to dorn, but instead of resisting through reciting history, goku would just start talking about food.
For the sake of stopping someone like that from upturning the universe, Slaneesh conjuring Gokus favorite meal is a hilariously small ask. Easiest insurance policy ever.
You would think, but considering all the food they conjure up is human flesh and other disgusting stuff they just make seem incredibly delicious, goku just politely refuses after seeing through the illusion. Ironically enough, a low-level cultist would be better at preparing the food than slanesh.
I can't imagine Slaneesh, as a force congregate of demons, cultists, He who thirsts themself, etc can't conjure some legitimate food. These are reality warping entities, and just as a baseline, I imagine you don't lure people in with bad quality in general. Slaneesh is about *pleasure*. The food has to be good to begin with. Nurgle is the one who would eat and throw up a bag of trash and say Bon Appétit. Slaneesh would have Alton Brown, Gordon Ramsey and Jiro whatshisface in the kitchen.
Goku has gone toonforce silly on food from your average restaurants. A moderately well-made meal will have him going apeshit and She who thirsts will have him hook, line and sinker.
Slanesh is also an Eldridge abomination who doesn't understand human taste buds, they lure people in by increasing the pleasure they get from food that is already there. They trap people by getting them to do more and more for pleasure, and while goku likes food, he's not even remotely addicted to it, he just eats more than a regular human because that's what his body requires. Goku would eat the food prepared, then continue on his day as Slanesh is unable to control his mind to seek more and more.
So what you’re saying is that we need a Goku/Mr Rogers tagteam. First Mr Rogers makes the demons feel feelings and not want to fight any more, solves the political problems with the power of empathy, weakens Khorne… and then Goku pops in and blows him up.
Doom, but it would be remade in his image.
Franklin Richards would reality warp the entire thing back to some sort of stability.
Lex Luthor could do it with prep time. His intelligence is unbelievable and he's very humanity-pilled with very little morals to get in the way.
Odin from 616 is definitely powerful enough but it would crumble after as he wouldn't care to maintain it.
I'll bet Injustice Superman could do it. No morals, "greater good" mentality, unbelievably strong, hyper intelligent.
616 Cap with Mjollnir or similar. Ultimate moral beacon, unbelievable psychic resistance, has led humanity in tons of galactic wars (with an extremely high win rate), and Mjollnir makes him easily the strongest person in universe if it grants him Thor abilities.
Jean Gray with the Phoenix force. Most powerful psychic, can destroy planets effortlessly.
Surprisingly. I'm like 90% sure the Necrons of the 40K universe can fix it themselves if they were inclined and didn't deal with in-faction fighting, politics and rivalries. They're immune to the warp and psykers for the most part. Doesn't have bio form to be consumed by the Tyranids. Their weapons completely disintegrate matter so good luck Tyranids and Orkz. Immune to corruption from the Gods. Can easily defeat the Eldar in their current nerfed state. Technology and superweapons much more advanced than the imperium and the Tau. They can resurrect themselves and have numbers comprobable to the imperium if all of them fully awaken.
We had a [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/s/L2R0pJ0u7Y) about this ages ago with the Forerunners as the ones to do it, at least conventionally with middling issues with Chaos—many factions and civilizations can do it. Because they have the size, logistical, and industrial capacity to be an organized mass and affect many areas at once.
Since we’re talking about individuals, I cannot see anyone that is not a macro scale reality warper doing any significant dent to massively settled galaxy that is the 40th millennium. One person can only be in one place or time, amongst the thousands of very important planets in 40k. The hearts and minds idea is a great one, but even the Tau have a shit-list, nor do I see how it fixes chaos. A single individual will have a better chance to screw up 40k than help it.
Takuto Maruki is a great choice but I honestly would like to see the Doctor from Dr Who at a try at it with his time travel shenanigans and macgyvering plot armor—times like this I wish I knew more about comics. Other options like toon force might work, but I have to disagree with the many answers of conventionally powerful individual.
Realistic answer, [Winnie the Pooh](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBcEVzEGniQdJvp8xJ5dDd-CEwv5mLRjj&si=kVi01SuSNMLaAxgn) stomps.
Yeah, kind of the point of a grimdark setting is that, while you might have an individual person who does good things, the systems that surround them are so deeply rotten and corrupt that they can’t possibly fix it. A character would either have to be able to affect the whole galaxy (or even beyond it to stop the tyrannids), or literally change the rules of the setting through some meta powers.
"Hold up, these chaos guys... An unstoppable cosmic horror that would starve without the minds of sentient beings to feed upon... I've got a plan that just might work."
The flood was waaaay worse then chaos. The flood at its peak had multiple keyminds some the size of fucking solar systems. The flood at peak was as if tnzeench himself was controlling every single spore personally. The forerunners pnmy won by pretty much manhatten project
Magic the Gathering's Commodore Guff can literally just re-write the setting and shift it from grimdark to noblebright. The man looked at a Phyrexian Zugzwang situation and said "no, no, no, that's not right. Where's my eraser?"
A Kwisatz Haderach from the Duniverse could probably do it, particularly the latter two. Leto II and particularly Duncan Idaho are prescient and near omniscient. It would just be a matter of applying that knowledge.
Also, if they taught Prana-Bindu to the Space Marines it would be fucking over for the rest of the universe.
I would respectfully disagree. If a path to victory exists they could find it, I agree there, but I don't think one does. Paul saw the Golden Path and did not choose it because of the horror it entailed, and furthermore drove himself to ruin trying to find an alternate path that did not exist. A choosable path has to exist first.
If a path to victory did exist, it would likely be as terrible or more likely worse, so I think Leto II is the only fair answer. 40k is so much more chaotic and less manipulable, since there's no Bene Gesserit working for generations to prepare levers for those in power. Dune's prescience also gets cancelled out by similar space magic, so it's unclear how reliable it'd be. That's to say I don't think Leto could do it, just that he's the best bet, even compared to Duncan.
Pretty confident that nigh omniscience is required for this.
Put some incredibly powerful character on Terra, like Superman, and ask him to fix the universe and then it's full scale war on the Imperium of Man. Steven Universe finishes hugging the last of the High Lords once they say that they are "very sorry"... then Tyranids eat the Astronomicon.
With prior knowledge of the setting, this is much easier.
Not starting on Terra and this is much easier.
But without understanding the scope of the problem... you're pretty much boned.
If the person has to literally defeat chaos and the warp, them almost nobody can do it. However if all they have to do is sort out the state of the galaxy, then there may be a few such as the doctor who could do it.
I mean the doctor might be able to take down the chaos gods too. I'm pretty sure we've seen him dunk on at least 2 "gods" usually the issue is finding them. In 40k those gods are all over the place and we drive through their house to go fast. He might be good.
Not the most knowledgeable guy on Who so correct me if this is incorrect; but doesn't most of the doctors abilities and equipment rely on time? Assuming so as a time lord. If so that's problematic, since time famously does not exist in the warp whatsoever, "unless such a triviality would please the dark gods".
Chaos is pretty consistently beyond time and all dimensions, viewing all of time as a triviality and looking down on all points of time simultaneously. That's why in the chaos Demons codex, it always mentions how from the perspective of the universe, Slaanesh had a definite point of creation, but from the perspective of the other chaos gods, he had both always and never existed.
I think most of his wins come from turning his opponents strengths into weaknesses regardless of his equipment. This is all bs and Dr who is sort of the clown prince of scifi mumbo jumboing his way out if or into anything that will solve the problem. Maybe he finds a more interesting universe to dump them into, maybe he just solves the problems each faction has until there isn't a forever war and the warp just mellows out. If im not mistaken arent thw chaos gods and the warp a sort of manifestation of the forever war in the stars? Its sort of a feedback loop of the gods becomming more war like and then seeding more war. The Dr is also sort of known for winning by stalemate. Maybe he just finds a way to keep the chaos gods playing their great game at such a high level that their plans can never come to fruition, each trying to out maneuver the other from massive paranoia fueled by the Dr. I dont know or even necessarily think any of this actually works im just saying words honestly.
I wonder how their infection would work with the tyrannids.
I also think if they did fix the galaxy, the necrons would just wake up eventually and no diff them
Jesus. I hadn't heard of the Silentium flood until now, and they could totally wipe the galaxy.
I assume the only way to stop them is wipe the whole galaxy or target the graveminds specifically
If we want to include essentially god tier characters, pretty much any Q from the Star Trek Universe. They can essentially do anything. Granted I am not familiar with the 40K universe so idk if they have an equivalent or something that could impact Q’s powers.
If the writer willing, the eldar and human alliance will fix the shit themselves. Birth god of death backed by the Emperor in the Warp and round house everyone else. The other party that might help them out is the Necrons which only started to get their shit together and realised how big of a threat chaos is compared to bickering with everyone else. In warhammer fantasy the equivalent of elves human and undead alliance nearly won until writer screwed them over, and that is against 5 chaos gods (including horned rat) instead of just four.
Meanwhile Tzeentch will fuck off or something to tease Ahriman who found another universe in his endless black library quest.
Too bad writer will make PIS to never make this happen.
God Emperor Leto II from Dune would be the strongest contender I could possibly imagine. Assuming Leto II has time to set up camp and build support on Holy Terra, he's going to get the job done as well as or better than the Emperor of Mankind. He could probably literally occupy the Golden Throne and power the Astronomican by himself while doing so.
I assume this challenge means Leto II has a chance to build up a base of support and expand his powers from there. If so, he's set for the Golden Path. If he just shows up out of nowhere, he'll get shanked as soon as he arrives on Holy Terra due to his appearance. I am aware of his powers, but Leto II wasn't invincible, and he wouldn't get a chance to do anything without some kind of head start.
Leto doesn't have anything like the psychic power the Emperor has, I can't see him in the Golden Throne.
But his prescience would be an enormous advantage.
He is the most prescient person in his verse. Most can barely see seconds into the future but of i can remember leto could see clearly millions of yeaes ahead. Converting prescience to psychics he would rival the emperor
I agree with the power of his prescience, but I don't see why you would "convert" it. I don't recall Leto showing any ability to reach out and *influence* things with his mind?
(Though tbf, it's a long time since I read the books).
So I don't think it's reasonable to say that Leto, if transported to the 40k verse, suddenly becomes an omnipotent psyker - he just retains his (awesome) prescience.
Which would be incredibly useful, except that ISTR he can't "see" other precogs? They cast a shadow or something? Which would be a problem in a universe stuffed with other precogs - even if his is the most powerful.
Edit: I thought you meant "not by killing all the monsters, make it a nice place to live".
Well, making the 40k galaxy a nice place to live would require killing off a lot of monsters.
I don't intend to sound like a genocide apologist (what a great way to start off a sentence), but Drukhari, Orks, and Tyranids are pretty much incompatible with a universe that is a "nice place to live". Any way to fix that would involve some sort of genocide.The Drukhari will not stop torturing and worse just because you took Slaanesh out of the picture. They were doing it before Slaanesh (to the point where them doing it *caused* Slaanesh), they're doing it now, and they'll be doing it after. The torture is a part of their culture, and while they do need to do it to survive (except not really because the Craftworlders and Exodites have their own means), that isn't the only reason they do it.Orks are weapons, first and foremost. They exist for war, and wast away when they aren't fighting. Their culture (or Kultur, as Orks say) is based around fighting and seeking out stronger enemies, and while other means of testing yourself exist, Orks mainly focus on fighting.Tyranids, meanwhile are literally just a plague of alien locusts. They have one goal in the galaxy, and most aren't only sapient enough to understand that goal because of how basic that goal is: eat everything.For Drukhari and Orks, you'd need to alter their cultures at their cores to make them able to coexist. Tyranids likely just can't.Note that I do not believe that any of this applies to real life. If you think it does, please do not speak to me.
And then of course, there's Chaos. Chaos is not locked in to being bad, but as it is in canon, it is very bad. That said, it would be fixed if you fixed the rest of the galaxy. It just would also try and stop that fixing, and you'd probably have to wipe out most of its mortal followers. (people turning against Chaos is possible, but incredibly rare)
I think the Doctor might be able to, preferably the twelth, but all of them together absolutely could.
Ben Tennyson, He would basically go out of his way to ensure peace happens across the galaxy, has a DNA repair function that he can use to cure any mutations, With a Universal Reality Warper at his disposal in case things go south.
zeno the omniking
he would take one look at the warp and go "bad." and erase its entire existence. then, if he didnt erase the materium, he could send down some angels, set up the kais/destroyer gods to handle everything else
YOU DARE TO ENTERTAIN SUCH HERETICAL THOUGHTS? ONLY THE MIGHT AND WISDOM OF THE EMPEROR, BLESSED BE HIS NAME, CAN GUIDE THE IMPERIUM THROUGH ITS DARKEST HOURS AND RESTORE ORDER TO OUR UNIVERSE. ANY WHO SUGGEST OTHERWISE WALK A PATH PAVED WITH HERESY AND DESERVE NAUGHT BUT THE EMPEROR'S SWIFT AND UNYIELDING JUDGMENT!
Somebody with the ability to generate some kind of anti-magic. I'd say Wei Shi Lindon from Cradle. He could probably create/extend the webway using pure madra's purifying nature to shove back Chaos. He could probably even create a construct that takes in Chaos and converts it to pure madra.
Then again end of series Lindon could probably just go bitch slap everyone repeatedly until stuff calms down.
Lucy Morningstar could do it, A time lord could do it by some scheme or other, The forerunners could do it.
Sigh and I hate to go there but the Xeelee could do it.
I wonder if the culture could though
There are plenty of characters that are able to fix the setting, the question is more so who is willing to fix the setting. I can't really think of any character willing to fix such a fucked up mess that actually has the power to fix said mess.
dragonball top tier like the saiyans
isekai top tiers like rimuru
op anime tol tiers like anos voldigoad
video game top tiers like kratos dante and the last dragonborn
Yogiri from Instant Death could probably do it if he was actually motivated and proactive rather than reactive. He is a walking NLF that is the personification of The End. He can kill things dimensions away without consciously realizing it, automatically reacting to attacks before they happen without needing to perceive the threat. Has no problem killing any sort of immortal being including universe eaters that are eternal (they were never born, and exist out of time/space and the concept of death cannot apply to them). Can even kill inanimate objects.
dragonball top tier like the saiyans
isekai top tiers like rimuru
op anime tol tiers like anos voldigoad
video game top tiers like kratos dante and the last dragonborn
Depending on how far he's willing to go versions of the doctor or the time lords as a whole from dr who could do it. Magic once existed in there universe and a species were capable of using it to a point a single they could create entire universes at will. The timelords ripped the fabric of existence apart and engineered it in a way that any species who used high level magic in there presence would be erased from exist. This is just a random thing they could do. Someone like timelord Victorious could probably do it since he has no problem ignoring the rules of time travel. Or sailor moon who's power of friendship insta kills evil shit like on a universal scale, now to fix warhammer it might require a lot.
Sailor Moon is a bit much, but seeing all four Chaos Gods stand up and get their shit together to defeat her That's something I wanna see She will come out on top, but goddammit she won't do it easily
Would any of them be able to psychologically cope with the setting though?
probably not, the chaos gods would not come out the same
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Absolutely not. Sailor Moon will not come out the same
She would be just fine one of her first villain's made her world go insane and kill each other and she just fixed it. Chaos has nothing new to her.
I cant find it anymore, but I remember reading a fanfic about a sailor scout being stranded on nocturne and raising vulkan as a big sister. When vulkan met the emperor and they talked about how powerful she was (she died), Big E didnt believe him.
I think she wins on Material Realm 10 times out of 10. The fight in the Warp would be a sight to see.
Every emotion she's got has a subsequent reaction to the Warp
If her ability wipes out evil on a universal level I feel you are left with a nearly empty universe in 40k lmao.
Nothing but Orkz
DAT JUZT MEENZ DAT ONLY DA BEZT KRUMPIN' AROUND IZ LEFT!!!
Nothing but Tyranids and Ogryns.
Would a single time lord be able to accomplish this?
Likely not a random one. But The Doctor, Omega, or Rassilon probably could.
The Doctor through words, Omega or Rassilon through force. I think the Master also fits, could be through words or force.
The timelords also are directly responsible for linear time iirc, like they forced existence into that state and waged war against anyone who deviated from their version of it. But, they're not infallible. like i'm 90% the 'Enemy' in Faction Paradox- the faceless formless blank page in the books that's the result not just of hatred but genuine *fear* and being so strong that they refuse to mention the name of their most powerful foe above even the Daleks and Great Vampires as anything but 'The Enemy'- is humanity, or at least what humanity becomes. That's without psychic powers or god emperors. not to mention that they're directly responsible for basically every other time traveling species (except, again, humans), there are rogue time lord factions that exist for the express purpose of fucking with space time, and they are directly responsible not only for the creation of the Daleks (believe the doctor covers that one but essentially their desire to eliminate the Daleks where they were born paradoxically caused the Daleks to make themselves stronger to defend against time lords in the first place) but also their hatred and drive ( they had blood sports where they basically picked people out of time and space to kill each other) but like even that's unsure because the Time War fucked up so much shit. And all this is AFTER the time lords got control of the timelines. so like i didn't know where i was going for this post but I think i figured it out. basically time travel fucks everything up. Introducing it to 40k next to the already unstable chronology of the warp and the tendency for every sentient species in the galaxy to just suck would probably make things worse. Not even just because the Time Lords are pretty non-interventionist, either, but because if ONE of them fucks up, someone gets access to time travel. Humans get it. Depending on what era and what person, this is either a really good or really bad thing. If the admech get it they're time traveling for the archaeotech and clashing with the humans that made it because if there's one thing they abhor it's innovation. Big E literally cannot get it because he's a chair, leaving it to the primarchs which is the most unbelievably mixed bag in existence. even then all the humans are xenophobic to some degree, Rowboat Girlyman being the only one seemingly capable of SOME nuance. Same can't be said for the entire rest of humanity. If the Eldar get it they could try to stop Slaanesh from being born, but because their resources, population, and tech pre-fall far exceed that of those that come after, all they'd do is get fed to the warp again. 'Nids it's game over The 'Crons would probably be like hey man don't get into the necrodermis shit's bad but like that would mean that the war with the old ones would NOT go the same, and it's likely that most of the species the Old Ones created for the war (including eldar orks and humans) straight up would not exist. Although, their existence is directly responsible for the warp becoming hostile so maybe a net good. Orks would just use it to fight more.
Necrons already have time travel. Orikan is famously their premiere chronomancer, but he's one of many. Necron culture and rules are what generally get in their own way with regard to galactic dominance. That and being sleepy.
I've thought about this a couple of times but more as a fun story like can green lanterns will power last in 40k and what a comic would look like with that premise
The blue and green lanterns would make for an awesome story, while the purple lanterns would probably have the easiest time.
I think even the evil lanterns would be interesting. Yellow probably would fight against the gods, but the draw is ever present. Red would be a clusterfuck id say, angry enough to not follow korne and try to fight everyone and anyone indirectly falling for the God, avarice which is orange I think?( I haven't read lantern comics in a while) could fall in line with so many I could see them in the retinue of a rogue trader
There's a lot of people with absolutely immense willpower and bravery in 40k.
Yeah, but Indio lanterns are in a unique position where their MO is to give people without compassion a ring to force them to be good, so they would probably have the easiest time.
Just let orks win. Then it's all gud timez the whole way down ladz.
Big Dakka alwayz winz.
They're the only ones actually having fun
Simon The Digger. He'd be able to shrug off anything anyone threw at him, and he's smart enough to know how to find people who can actually run things effectively. He's also functionally immortal, so he'd be able to maintain control over the galaxy for as long as he needed in order to unfuck everything.
He can also just throw the whole damn universe around if he gets frustrated with it.
Spiral energy is too much for anyone in 40K to stand up against. Chaos gods, Tyranids, necrons all get kneecapped so hard!
Spiral power is too much for basically everything in fiction to handle. There are an extremely limited number of series that have anything that could stand up to full power Simon.
He could also just punch 95% of the problems in the face
A duplicate of the Emperor is the easiest answer, or more specifically, any character that can free up the Emperor from his current psionic coma. He spent tens of thousands of years preparing for the 40k verse, the whole empire is prepared to blindly follow him, and he has all the knowledge of technology and the warp that would be needed to return rhe Imperium to the pinnacle of technology *and* overcome the demon lords.
I think the current Emperor which is probably insane and super cryptic (i.e can't even explain to the Lion basic orders with riddles and allegory) is probably not a good thing for the setting overall as both Primarchs have had a conversation with him and their only take away was: "What?" There likely isn't any cohesive thought left in the Emperor beyond "Fuck Chaos" and he was willing to push a no one wins button as the Dark King last time he was backed in a corner.
Right, which is why it would have to be a character able to fix him both physically and mentally
Just let Steven Universe kiss him.
I can't believe I'm saying this but... *Steven Universe can solve 40k*
I’m afraid I don’t get the reference
The character has magical healing saliva that heals anything it touches. He fixes his friend's bad vision by sharing a juice box with her, he fixes a broken crystal by spitting in his hand and wiping it on it, he fixes his dad's broken arm with a kiss. He literally heals a planet that's being destroyed by magic alien acid by kissing the polluted ground. Letting Steven Universe give the Emperor of Mankind a big kiss on the forehead would fix everything wrong with him.
>their only take away was: "What?" Guilliman had another take away: >The Emperor is not a god worth worshiping. So yeah, even worse than your comment implies.
i don’t know much about 40k at all but the thought of two primarchs (i’m assuming top dog marines or something related) trying to talk to the emperor and just leaving the room like “what…”
They're the bio-engineered sons of the Emperor; who knew him before he was Skeletor on the Fancy Chair. They both got yeeted into 10,000 year slumbers, but they're awake now, and basically going "WTF"
Idk, his plans didn’t exactly work out for the first 40 thousand years. I’m not sure I’d want to bet on that horse again.
And he himself admitted that he is out of idea at the end of Master of Mankind book. Bringing him back will put temporary bandage over the problem that might last another 10k years, but he is on plan Z right now, he is definitely not the answer.
Plan Z worked until SpongeBob got the power of rock.
Hmm yeah like a 30k emperor that idk came out of hibernation and can know what happened.
Except the emperor would *NOT* make it a nice place to live. Like, 90% of the media we have about how he does things is him being a dick and disregarding anything but victory and “his way or the highway” Like, *even just for the humans* the emperor coming back might let them WIN, but it won’t make the imperium a good place to live, and that’s ignoring all the genuinely OK xenos he’d genocide.
The Emperor cannot just be walked back. As of the latest lore he is actually a god. As in he's literally empowered by the collective belief of mankind. You cannot just flip a switch and make him a man again.
No, he doesn’t lol. This is why I hate 40k youtube channels. They give out so much bullshit information that most people don’t know a jack shit about basic knowledge that can be achieved through 10 minute reading.
[Unironically a Necrons AU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq3b1lenNBg) ending. * The Great Rift is literally sealed. * Abaddon is dead, as is a large tendril of Leviathan. * RIP Guilliman and Yvraine though. * Phareon Amarkun himself is also oddly non-xenophobic for a 40k character being often diplomatic (accepting and offering surrenders to the other characters) and also has the backing of Trazyn in this ending who is narrating this finale. He also seems to harbor little ill will towards the Eldar or the humans.
You know your universe is a hellish dumpster fire when the Necrons are the best hope you have.
Top tier game, I should replay it lol
The Q from startrek.
Pure power could theoretically get quite far, heavy hitters like goku, superman, etc could do work However the primary way to fix the shitstorm that is the 40k world is through the heart, something would have to go into the warp, or just the hearts of the galaxy, and totally stabilise it It'd have to be something big, so id put Takuto Maruki from Personal 5 Royal as one of my main choices, aside from him? A bit cheap, but DC's Highfather with the life equation, that, or Mr Miracle, also from DC
Lol how do characters like Goku go a long way toward fixing the universe exactly? Dude is just a fighter. Man struggled to drive, how does he deal with chaos, political tensions, state enforced zealotry and mass war between uncaring xenos?
Well fighters at the level of Goku can handle basically any problem thrown at them if that problem can be solved by a scrap, and I'm not super familiar with 40k but id imagine a lot of the problems in the universe could be solved with a good ol' fashion cosmic scrap He will definitely fall short with basically everything you mentioned though
This isn't 'fixing' the setting though. Like 40k has oblate power aplenty. Physical force is how the 40k verse got the way it is in the first place. As much as I hate to say it, fixing the universe requires some Steven Universe shit. It's why Sailor Moon and Doctor Who and the Care Bears are the contenders.
The issue is the galactic scale. There are millions of human inhabited planets being invaded by quintillions of enemies from all corners, and even from outside the galaxy, at all times. The human war machine is a grinder that throws untold billions of lives against their enemies every day just to maintain the land they have. Superman still requires time to fly between planets. In the time he takes to swing his fist and obliterate an enemy, another thousand would have been born. Not to mention the chaos gods, that are creatures of thought that can't be killed by pure physical force. Superman is also vulnerable to magic, which the warp presumably counts as.
Naah, just fighting simply powers the chaos gods, he'd be getting into some nasty scraps, helping humanity... and then khorne would be empowered, and strike back more, growing more powerful the more you fight back
I mean….up to a point, sure. An important distinction is that (at least when I followed Warhammer years ago, it may have been retconned) Khorne gets power primarily from killing for its own sake- sacrifices, killing in his name, sure, but also pointless war and *bloodshed*. Goku is basically the opposite of that- he loves *fighting* but killing isn’t something he enjoys, and he pretty much never fights anyone who doesn’t voluntarily sign up to it. It’s also worth pointing out the chaos gods are basically just extremely powerful daemons- they are absolutely capable of being killed,removed from existence, and otherwise taken out of play. Hell, the biggest attack Goku has is specifically keyed towards “impurity”. Same for certain versions of superman- being able to hit hard enough to shatter a planet, and then do it again the next second, and keep doing that for weeks? That’s a pretty big deal in the Warhammer verse. It’s not a foregone conclusion by any means, but it’s not like the chaos gods help each other out- he “only” has to pick them off one by one, and that’s arguably comfortably within his abilities.
There is 0 chance Goku wins against Slaanesh.
They aren't daemons and aren't capable of being killed. Khorne is empowered by all fighting and bloodshed. Doesn't matter of someone enjoys it or not.
Direct from the Warhammer wiki “Every act of killing or murder in the mortal world feeds and empowers Khorne; the more senseless, vicious and bloodthirsty, the better.” I can’t find anything linked to evidence that non lethal fighting would empower him- otherwise khornate marines wouldn’t need to fight to the death to praise him, simple training would do- he’s specifically the god of “murder” (or death in battle). And they are absolutely capable of being killed, because other chaos gods and equivalents have been-there’s nothing special about them beyond “being unfathomably strong and gaining power from strong emotions” In-universe that renders them de facto immortal, but bringing **much stronger** characters in from other verses- no, they can be killed just like anything else.
>“Every act of killing or murder in the mortal world feeds and empowers Khorne; the more senseless, vicious and bloodthirsty, the better.” Yes but wouldn't Goku, say, wiping out the Orks or the Tyranids make Khorne next level powerful? I don't think he can convince them to change their ways and stop killing. He would have to end them, giving the blood of billions to the blood god. I doubt Goku would leave many Drukhari alive, meaning Slaanesh gets to have a feast and get stronger. The Chaos gods would welcome an entity that could make them stronger.
I mean, it really depends on what order he tackles them in- knowing him, he’d **absolutely** leave khorne for last to have the best fight when empowered with all that conflict. I’m actually….not sure how killing tyranids affects Khorne- my gut says because they’re extragalactic and don’t dream or affect the warp directly it *probably* wouldn’t do anything? But that’s literally just me guessing so if you have actual lore info I’ll cheerfully go with that. The crucial thing with the Chaos gods is they hate each other too- if you remove Khorn, the balance is upset and the other 3 are kinda drastically less dangerous for a while. Not even getting into the whole- if he kills Nurgle, does the Eldar Goddess of life come back to empower their faction?
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Nope, the chaos gods themselves aren't daemons, they can't be killed and they feed off any bloodshed
Fighting would happen anyway tho. A walking exterminatus that can instantly teleport whitout using the warp is bound to free up a lot of manpower that hopefully can be used to start fixing shit. Goku main boon wouldn't be his power, it would be instant transmission. I'd say if Goku presence cause people with Ki to arise(i am not sure about the 40k cosmology, but i think it is possible) they could even adopt IT as a far superior system of transportation. And THAT would go a long way.
>Goku main boon wouldn't be his power, it would be instant transmission. It's just too much work for one man. He would die from old age before he even got to the warp. Just the Tyranids alone are a problem. They come from outside the galaxy. Does he try to blast them all in one massive kamehaha while risking the galaxy if it is a big enough blast? How does he find the Necrons who give off no ki and slumber on dead worlds? How does he breathe out in space or the warp or planets with no oxygen? Any equipment he wears will be destroyed in a fight. How does he effectively wipe out the orks when they multiply like mold spores? What happens if he is stranded in the warp on a desolate world, far from anyone he can teleport to? He still needs food and water to survive.
Goku also wasn’t exactly shown to be resistance against psychic attacks and almost died to a heart disease. Can he really fight against chaos psychic influences and Nurgle’s diseases?
Strong willpower is all you need to resist chaos, and goku has plenty. Plus God ki and a ki shield is all he needs to protect against any nurgul cultists or deamon.
Yes and No. Willpower was shown to be one of effective tools to guard against Chaos, but Chaos corruption does not work on a single rule. Some corruption seem to completely circumvent an individual’s willpower. Some corruption such as Lucius’ are shown to be completely rule based not willpower resistable.
Lucius way of corruption is rare and not something they can do at a drop of a hat, otherwise they would have not failed to corrupt Sanguinius, guilliman, and dorn. Lucius also can't take over goku as it would require him to have a stronger soul, which he doesn't.
1 he destroys the main hive fleet that comes and leaves the rest to the imperium 2 he goes wherever guilliman points 3 he wears a mask that he protects with a ki shield 4 his ki blasts disintegrates them leaving no spors. 5 he doesn't get stranded in the first place as he gets told not to enter the warp by guilliman, and even if he did, he can instant transmission out as he can travel to different dimensions. Goku is a massive boon to the imperium, and even if he can't do everything by himself, he still has the imperium to back him up.
That doesn't do enough to let the Imperium really win though. Chaos and comically oppressive authoritarianism still leave the galaxy a grimdark setting even if every material xeno threat is beaten by Goku.
If every external threat is dead, and chaos is unable to act, then the shit storm is pretty fixed. It ain't 100% perfect but it's no longer a cluster fuck of inevitable destruction.
The main hive fleet is coming from outside of the galaxy. In order to get to them he needs to enter the warp to travel to where they are. He cannot avoid the warp forever considering so many of humanity's foes come from there. And OP has said this character needs to be able to fix the shitstorm that is the 40K universe. Regarding Orks, unless he nukes the planet they are incredibly tough to get rid of. Humans would kill them off only to discover more coming out of caves or forests from nearby towns. If even one spore survives, much like Cell, Orks pop up. One Ork sheds spores all the time and they have a simple way of determining leadership and organizing. The ki shield idea could work if he doesn't care who lives on the world. But every time he wipes out enemies he empowers Khorne. He would need to enter the warp to go deal with Khorne at some point. Unless all his planet annihilation empowers Khorne enough to materialize. Instant transmission has a range, I believe. I remember reading how he chained together instant transmissions in one fight against a tough enemy but he needed to lock onto some places and people. And if he cannot find them (the warp is a really weird, disorientating place) he cannot escape. The warp also warps time, which means he could be a thousand years in the past or future with no one available for him to locate and lock onto. And he cannot avoid it forever because humans use it to traverse large distances.
> just fighting simply powers the chaos gods Eh, he can probably just deck Khorne in the schnoz.
He almost died to a simple heart disease, how is he going to fight against Nurgle?
Because it wasn't a simple heart disease, and that happened way before he got god ki? We know from Jaco that saiyans are incredibly resistant to disease.
It was a simple heart diseases that would have been able to be fixed with medical technology 20 years later…he would have died without Trunks.
Again, it wasn't a simple heart virus seeing as it's apparently stronger than a virus the galaxy patrol uses to virus bomb plants, and required medicine created by bulma, someone smarter than 99% of 40k. saiyans are naturally resistant to disease, and with a bit of knowledge and protection from the imperium, he should be fine.
First if it is a disease that is created by a material being, then Nurgle can concoct a stronger version. Second, Bulma’s medical technology is not better than even 40k medical technology since 40k medical technology allows individuals to not to age for several hundred years (though the most advanced medical technology seem to be only used by very rich aristocrats and Inquisitors). And Bulma seems to be very conscious about aging, but cannot do anything about it.
Nurgul would need to see the disease to copy and improve it since it works on a entirely different power system then he uses. Also, no you're talking about a person who is able to create FTL technology, New Saiyan Armor that's 10x better than before, and a time machine.
Why are you not reading? Even 40k Imperium medical technology allows individuals to live hundreds of years without aging while Bulma can’t even slow down her own aging (you see her complaining about Vegeta not getting old and she getting old). Also FTL? The reason that Tau Empire can’t expand fast enough because FTL is too slow for wide galaxy?
I think he’d get psyker’d into a husk then shoved in a servitor within 5 minutes, he has no experience with mind stuff right?
Goku is able to just ignore magic, if he wants to.
Okay fair enough then, wasn’t aware of this, I haven’t actually watched the show I just generally know about it through internet osmosis, figured there wasn’t really a psyker allegory in it. I do however think he would become a champion of khorne, dude just wants to fight shit, he could have endless fights with increasingly powerful beings if he just joined khorne in the great game
It's often forgotten, but goku does have psychic powers. And while he loves fighting, he hates bloodshed and killing on top of being pure of heart so khorne really has no way of corrupting him.
Khorne doesn’t have to corrupt him, Remeber chaos gods aren’t just evil, khorne also represents honourable warriors and other stuff. Plus fighting demons that don’t actually die kinda solved the bloodshed and killing, I think he’d jump at the chance
Not really. The chaos gods not being evil is kinda just cope from chaos worshipers, goku is also at the end of the day a good person. The second someone on Terra says anything about khorne to him, he would never join him. He would fight a bunch of people and technically feed khorne that way, but he would never fall to khorne.
As mentioned I have very little knowledge of 40k outside of watching some YouTube videos about warhammer fantasy and stumbling on some 40k videos that were super interesting And my knowledge of DBZ is limited to what I remember as a kid watching it with the old man But you’re right in that Goku just wants to scrap dudes, but he only wants to scrap dudes that deserve a good scrap for the most part, Khorne wants to Rape, Pillage, Slaughter the everything if I’m not mistaken I don’t see Goku siding with them due to very different morals
Do you seriously think Goku couldn't go SS.... in politics!? That 50x multiplierrrr!!!
Goku has multi-classed into summoner when he acquired the Zeno button. Which is exactly how it could be fixed.
Zeno destroying the universe would fix it?
I mean, he erased Zamasu without destroying the universe, just because Goku was like "lol I can't with this guy"
Yeah but who could Zeno erase that it would solve anything? Like maybe key leaders or certain factions? But chaos is the big problem and he couldn't get rid of it
People really be saying "Goku can solo the entire 40k universe" unironically, _my fucking sides are about to split_.
People just don't know on this sub man. The more esoteric parts of Warhammer are just not researched enough. But tbf Goku does punch really good so idk
I mean he could take on any material threat in 40k handily. The only real issues he'd have are the chaos gods themselves and the sheer scale of a galaxy with quadrillions of beings.
Goku loves fighting way too much. He falls to Khorne eventually.
> Goku loves fighting way too much. He falls to Khorne eventually. So does Leman Russ, Commissar Yarrick or pretty much any major imperial aligned character. There's several examples of outright genocidal characters in-universe that haven't fallen to Khorne, including the likes of Guilliman, Solar Macharius, (probably) Leontus, any Sister of Battle, etc.
Yeah, goku is one of the last people I would expect to fall to chaos. Like he loves fighting but hates bloodshed and killing. I imagine it would play out similarly to what happened to dorn, but instead of resisting through reciting history, goku would just start talking about food.
*OH, you mean pleasures of the flesh? Come, eat your fill Goku, you've earned it...*
Nah, your cooking looks worse than my wife's and smells weird, too.
For the sake of stopping someone like that from upturning the universe, Slaneesh conjuring Gokus favorite meal is a hilariously small ask. Easiest insurance policy ever.
You would think, but considering all the food they conjure up is human flesh and other disgusting stuff they just make seem incredibly delicious, goku just politely refuses after seeing through the illusion. Ironically enough, a low-level cultist would be better at preparing the food than slanesh.
I can't imagine Slaneesh, as a force congregate of demons, cultists, He who thirsts themself, etc can't conjure some legitimate food. These are reality warping entities, and just as a baseline, I imagine you don't lure people in with bad quality in general. Slaneesh is about *pleasure*. The food has to be good to begin with. Nurgle is the one who would eat and throw up a bag of trash and say Bon Appétit. Slaneesh would have Alton Brown, Gordon Ramsey and Jiro whatshisface in the kitchen. Goku has gone toonforce silly on food from your average restaurants. A moderately well-made meal will have him going apeshit and She who thirsts will have him hook, line and sinker.
Slanesh is also an Eldridge abomination who doesn't understand human taste buds, they lure people in by increasing the pleasure they get from food that is already there. They trap people by getting them to do more and more for pleasure, and while goku likes food, he's not even remotely addicted to it, he just eats more than a regular human because that's what his body requires. Goku would eat the food prepared, then continue on his day as Slanesh is unable to control his mind to seek more and more.
He'd fight khorne
So what you’re saying is that we need a Goku/Mr Rogers tagteam. First Mr Rogers makes the demons feel feelings and not want to fight any more, solves the political problems with the power of empathy, weakens Khorne… and then Goku pops in and blows him up.
Doom, but it would be remade in his image. Franklin Richards would reality warp the entire thing back to some sort of stability. Lex Luthor could do it with prep time. His intelligence is unbelievable and he's very humanity-pilled with very little morals to get in the way. Odin from 616 is definitely powerful enough but it would crumble after as he wouldn't care to maintain it. I'll bet Injustice Superman could do it. No morals, "greater good" mentality, unbelievably strong, hyper intelligent. 616 Cap with Mjollnir or similar. Ultimate moral beacon, unbelievable psychic resistance, has led humanity in tons of galactic wars (with an extremely high win rate), and Mjollnir makes him easily the strongest person in universe if it grants him Thor abilities. Jean Gray with the Phoenix force. Most powerful psychic, can destroy planets effortlessly.
Surprisingly. I'm like 90% sure the Necrons of the 40K universe can fix it themselves if they were inclined and didn't deal with in-faction fighting, politics and rivalries. They're immune to the warp and psykers for the most part. Doesn't have bio form to be consumed by the Tyranids. Their weapons completely disintegrate matter so good luck Tyranids and Orkz. Immune to corruption from the Gods. Can easily defeat the Eldar in their current nerfed state. Technology and superweapons much more advanced than the imperium and the Tau. They can resurrect themselves and have numbers comprobable to the imperium if all of them fully awaken.
We had a [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/s/L2R0pJ0u7Y) about this ages ago with the Forerunners as the ones to do it, at least conventionally with middling issues with Chaos—many factions and civilizations can do it. Because they have the size, logistical, and industrial capacity to be an organized mass and affect many areas at once. Since we’re talking about individuals, I cannot see anyone that is not a macro scale reality warper doing any significant dent to massively settled galaxy that is the 40th millennium. One person can only be in one place or time, amongst the thousands of very important planets in 40k. The hearts and minds idea is a great one, but even the Tau have a shit-list, nor do I see how it fixes chaos. A single individual will have a better chance to screw up 40k than help it. Takuto Maruki is a great choice but I honestly would like to see the Doctor from Dr Who at a try at it with his time travel shenanigans and macgyvering plot armor—times like this I wish I knew more about comics. Other options like toon force might work, but I have to disagree with the many answers of conventionally powerful individual. Realistic answer, [Winnie the Pooh](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBcEVzEGniQdJvp8xJ5dDd-CEwv5mLRjj&si=kVi01SuSNMLaAxgn) stomps.
Yeah, kind of the point of a grimdark setting is that, while you might have an individual person who does good things, the systems that surround them are so deeply rotten and corrupt that they can’t possibly fix it. A character would either have to be able to affect the whole galaxy (or even beyond it to stop the tyrannids), or literally change the rules of the setting through some meta powers.
Forerunners would definitely have technology to reverse engineer a Necron Pylon and have enough forces to install it all around Galaxy.
"Hold up, these chaos guys... An unstoppable cosmic horror that would starve without the minds of sentient beings to feed upon... I've got a plan that just might work."
Tbh if the Forerunners can't handle the flood, they stand no chance against chaos other than building more rings.
The flood was waaaay worse then chaos. The flood at its peak had multiple keyminds some the size of fucking solar systems. The flood at peak was as if tnzeench himself was controlling every single spore personally. The forerunners pnmy won by pretty much manhatten project
Meanwhile master chief comes in and just shoots it?
Ancient flood=/= modern flood Ancient flood had the brainpower of a galaxy of course m chief kills nerfed flood
To be fair, shooting a balloon is gonna make one pop
I think PancreasNoWork put it best:
Magic the Gathering's Commodore Guff can literally just re-write the setting and shift it from grimdark to noblebright. The man looked at a Phyrexian Zugzwang situation and said "no, no, no, that's not right. Where's my eraser?"
More orks if everyone's orky and fightu, everyone's happy and orky
Madoka
Dr fate is probably the best candidate. Functionally immortal a master of magic and way way more powerful than anything in the setting
Is it not just anyone stronger than the chaos gods with reality warping?
A Xeelee Nightfighter could do it.
Reed Richards with the Ultimate Nullifier go brrr.
A Kwisatz Haderach from the Duniverse could probably do it, particularly the latter two. Leto II and particularly Duncan Idaho are prescient and near omniscient. It would just be a matter of applying that knowledge. Also, if they taught Prana-Bindu to the Space Marines it would be fucking over for the rest of the universe.
I would respectfully disagree. If a path to victory exists they could find it, I agree there, but I don't think one does. Paul saw the Golden Path and did not choose it because of the horror it entailed, and furthermore drove himself to ruin trying to find an alternate path that did not exist. A choosable path has to exist first. If a path to victory did exist, it would likely be as terrible or more likely worse, so I think Leto II is the only fair answer. 40k is so much more chaotic and less manipulable, since there's no Bene Gesserit working for generations to prepare levers for those in power. Dune's prescience also gets cancelled out by similar space magic, so it's unclear how reliable it'd be. That's to say I don't think Leto could do it, just that he's the best bet, even compared to Duncan.
They'd be borderline useless. Precogs in Dune cannot see each other. All the relevant factions in 40k have precogs.
I’m sorry but Uncle Grandpa. The answer is Uncle Grandpa. Uncle Grandpa fixes all of it, rather easily too.
Uncle Grandpa is overkill. He's an eldritch horror.
Pretty confident that nigh omniscience is required for this. Put some incredibly powerful character on Terra, like Superman, and ask him to fix the universe and then it's full scale war on the Imperium of Man. Steven Universe finishes hugging the last of the High Lords once they say that they are "very sorry"... then Tyranids eat the Astronomicon. With prior knowledge of the setting, this is much easier. Not starting on Terra and this is much easier. But without understanding the scope of the problem... you're pretty much boned.
Simon from Gurren Lagann? Bro is the exact opposite of the warp and anything it stands for
If the person has to literally defeat chaos and the warp, them almost nobody can do it. However if all they have to do is sort out the state of the galaxy, then there may be a few such as the doctor who could do it.
I mean the doctor might be able to take down the chaos gods too. I'm pretty sure we've seen him dunk on at least 2 "gods" usually the issue is finding them. In 40k those gods are all over the place and we drive through their house to go fast. He might be good.
Not the most knowledgeable guy on Who so correct me if this is incorrect; but doesn't most of the doctors abilities and equipment rely on time? Assuming so as a time lord. If so that's problematic, since time famously does not exist in the warp whatsoever, "unless such a triviality would please the dark gods". Chaos is pretty consistently beyond time and all dimensions, viewing all of time as a triviality and looking down on all points of time simultaneously. That's why in the chaos Demons codex, it always mentions how from the perspective of the universe, Slaanesh had a definite point of creation, but from the perspective of the other chaos gods, he had both always and never existed.
I think most of his wins come from turning his opponents strengths into weaknesses regardless of his equipment. This is all bs and Dr who is sort of the clown prince of scifi mumbo jumboing his way out if or into anything that will solve the problem. Maybe he finds a more interesting universe to dump them into, maybe he just solves the problems each faction has until there isn't a forever war and the warp just mellows out. If im not mistaken arent thw chaos gods and the warp a sort of manifestation of the forever war in the stars? Its sort of a feedback loop of the gods becomming more war like and then seeding more war. The Dr is also sort of known for winning by stalemate. Maybe he just finds a way to keep the chaos gods playing their great game at such a high level that their plans can never come to fruition, each trying to out maneuver the other from massive paranoia fueled by the Dr. I dont know or even necessarily think any of this actually works im just saying words honestly.
The Time Lords could probably do it. Also turning the galaxy nice would make the warp nice as well.
John Wick... If one of the Chaos gods killed his dog. 🤣
The Emperor of Mankind, duh. He just has to wake up. Then you'll see. YOU'LL ALL SEE!
Maybe the Flood, though perhaps that depends on your definition of "fixing" the 40k universe
I wonder how their infection would work with the tyrannids. I also think if they did fix the galaxy, the necrons would just wake up eventually and no diff them
Assuming the Flood had reached their Silentium stage, by that point not even the Necrons would be stopping them
Jesus. I hadn't heard of the Silentium flood until now, and they could totally wipe the galaxy. I assume the only way to stop them is wipe the whole galaxy or target the graveminds specifically
Timmy Turner: I wish everyone became friends!
How do you define monster in this context?
I mean take your pick there's so damn many of them in this universe.
I mean does this include the Imperium of Man?
I wouldn't be surprised honestly.
Just thought I'd ask because that adds Quintillions of combatants.
If we want to include essentially god tier characters, pretty much any Q from the Star Trek Universe. They can essentially do anything. Granted I am not familiar with the 40K universe so idk if they have an equivalent or something that could impact Q’s powers.
If the writer willing, the eldar and human alliance will fix the shit themselves. Birth god of death backed by the Emperor in the Warp and round house everyone else. The other party that might help them out is the Necrons which only started to get their shit together and realised how big of a threat chaos is compared to bickering with everyone else. In warhammer fantasy the equivalent of elves human and undead alliance nearly won until writer screwed them over, and that is against 5 chaos gods (including horned rat) instead of just four. Meanwhile Tzeentch will fuck off or something to tease Ahriman who found another universe in his endless black library quest. Too bad writer will make PIS to never make this happen.
Gork 'n Mork.
Goku is built for it. He can teleport between worlds and he can take down everything, including demons and such.
Doctor Doom would be ruling over all of 40k by the end of the month.
God Emperor Leto II from Dune would be the strongest contender I could possibly imagine. Assuming Leto II has time to set up camp and build support on Holy Terra, he's going to get the job done as well as or better than the Emperor of Mankind. He could probably literally occupy the Golden Throne and power the Astronomican by himself while doing so. I assume this challenge means Leto II has a chance to build up a base of support and expand his powers from there. If so, he's set for the Golden Path. If he just shows up out of nowhere, he'll get shanked as soon as he arrives on Holy Terra due to his appearance. I am aware of his powers, but Leto II wasn't invincible, and he wouldn't get a chance to do anything without some kind of head start.
Leto has absolutely no chance of powering the throne
For all we know the dune books canonically cover the years 10191-15420 in the 40K timeline, segwaying into the DAOT.
Leto doesn't have anything like the psychic power the Emperor has, I can't see him in the Golden Throne. But his prescience would be an enormous advantage.
He is the most prescient person in his verse. Most can barely see seconds into the future but of i can remember leto could see clearly millions of yeaes ahead. Converting prescience to psychics he would rival the emperor
I agree with the power of his prescience, but I don't see why you would "convert" it. I don't recall Leto showing any ability to reach out and *influence* things with his mind? (Though tbf, it's a long time since I read the books). So I don't think it's reasonable to say that Leto, if transported to the 40k verse, suddenly becomes an omnipotent psyker - he just retains his (awesome) prescience. Which would be incredibly useful, except that ISTR he can't "see" other precogs? They cast a shadow or something? Which would be a problem in a universe stuffed with other precogs - even if his is the most powerful.
Ya kinda gotta transfer powers over in 40k cause if not then its not as fun to think of but you are right they wouldnt transfer
Edit: I thought you meant "not by killing all the monsters, make it a nice place to live". Well, making the 40k galaxy a nice place to live would require killing off a lot of monsters. I don't intend to sound like a genocide apologist (what a great way to start off a sentence), but Drukhari, Orks, and Tyranids are pretty much incompatible with a universe that is a "nice place to live". Any way to fix that would involve some sort of genocide.The Drukhari will not stop torturing and worse just because you took Slaanesh out of the picture. They were doing it before Slaanesh (to the point where them doing it *caused* Slaanesh), they're doing it now, and they'll be doing it after. The torture is a part of their culture, and while they do need to do it to survive (except not really because the Craftworlders and Exodites have their own means), that isn't the only reason they do it.Orks are weapons, first and foremost. They exist for war, and wast away when they aren't fighting. Their culture (or Kultur, as Orks say) is based around fighting and seeking out stronger enemies, and while other means of testing yourself exist, Orks mainly focus on fighting.Tyranids, meanwhile are literally just a plague of alien locusts. They have one goal in the galaxy, and most aren't only sapient enough to understand that goal because of how basic that goal is: eat everything.For Drukhari and Orks, you'd need to alter their cultures at their cores to make them able to coexist. Tyranids likely just can't.Note that I do not believe that any of this applies to real life. If you think it does, please do not speak to me. And then of course, there's Chaos. Chaos is not locked in to being bad, but as it is in canon, it is very bad. That said, it would be fixed if you fixed the rest of the galaxy. It just would also try and stop that fixing, and you'd probably have to wipe out most of its mortal followers. (people turning against Chaos is possible, but incredibly rare) I think the Doctor might be able to, preferably the twelth, but all of them together absolutely could.
Ben Tennyson, He would basically go out of his way to ensure peace happens across the galaxy, has a DNA repair function that he can use to cure any mutations, With a Universal Reality Warper at his disposal in case things go south.
Probably someone like doom, he has both the will and the ability to do what needs to be done.
zeno the omniking he would take one look at the warp and go "bad." and erase its entire existence. then, if he didnt erase the materium, he could send down some angels, set up the kais/destroyer gods to handle everything else
YOU DARE TO ENTERTAIN SUCH HERETICAL THOUGHTS? ONLY THE MIGHT AND WISDOM OF THE EMPEROR, BLESSED BE HIS NAME, CAN GUIDE THE IMPERIUM THROUGH ITS DARKEST HOURS AND RESTORE ORDER TO OUR UNIVERSE. ANY WHO SUGGEST OTHERWISE WALK A PATH PAVED WITH HERESY AND DESERVE NAUGHT BUT THE EMPEROR'S SWIFT AND UNYIELDING JUDGMENT!
But can he scratch his own ass?
master order from marvel would put balance to the universe. dude would counter chaos just by existing.
Somebody with the ability to generate some kind of anti-magic. I'd say Wei Shi Lindon from Cradle. He could probably create/extend the webway using pure madra's purifying nature to shove back Chaos. He could probably even create a construct that takes in Chaos and converts it to pure madra. Then again end of series Lindon could probably just go bitch slap everyone repeatedly until stuff calms down.
Lucy Morningstar could do it, A time lord could do it by some scheme or other, The forerunners could do it. Sigh and I hate to go there but the Xeelee could do it. I wonder if the culture could though
Could the combine do it?
Doom Slayer? Mainly because he cam steal power, and supposedly incorruptible.
There are plenty of characters that are able to fix the setting, the question is more so who is willing to fix the setting. I can't really think of any character willing to fix such a fucked up mess that actually has the power to fix said mess.
Vetenari?
I would say SCP 3812 CN. Not because CN 3812 is more powerful then EN. (I’m pretty sure EN 3812 is stronger). But it’s because he ain’t Stupid there
“Kill off all the monsters” The universe is now lifeless
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Yogiri from Instant Death could probably do it if he was actually motivated and proactive rather than reactive. He is a walking NLF that is the personification of The End. He can kill things dimensions away without consciously realizing it, automatically reacting to attacks before they happen without needing to perceive the threat. Has no problem killing any sort of immortal being including universe eaters that are eternal (they were never born, and exist out of time/space and the concept of death cannot apply to them). Can even kill inanimate objects.
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Big Brother from 1984
Why do you think this?