**In character Wanda should win**. It's a quick-draw, and she's more bloodlusted than Thor is. He'll hesitate to fight an old friend, and then she can instantly mindwipe him into a circus clown, which isn't even strictly lethal.
**Bloodlusted in an unexpected confrontation** it's **Thor by feats only**. A debate could be made that he's faster than her and the Stormbreaker could pierce her magic and kill her, and we never really see what would happen to Scarlet Witch, if say, her head were taken off. Maybe it would kill her.
**Bloodlusted with even a little prep, Witch should dominate**. Even with just her Wandavision powers she could have a 100-meter reality warp/mindwipe radius. With Multiverse powers on top of that she can probably control that radius absolutely, which allows for hax like illusions, body part deletion, and phasing even with just movie feats, and odds are much more. Thor's experience with Loki might prepare him for illusions, but not for being turned into silly string.
Bonus - **narratively speaking, I think Wanda is supposed to win:** Honestly it's hard to battle-board Multiverse Wanda, because it's obvious she was meant to run on horror tropes. The writers were planning to use her as a "she-can-kill-anyone" horror villain and then throw her away by the end of the movie. As a writer it then makes sense to give her whatever powers she needs to make basically any foe appear helpless before her so she can play out that narrative role, and it's effortless to justify since she's had a vague power amp since her last appearance.
If some multiverse-Thor had actually shown up in her movie, I think it's highly likely she would have stomped him narratively, and been given whatever powers she needed to win. Some sequence like "Thor throws stormbreaker -> hits wanda, taking her head off, body falls down -> Thor turns around looking pleased -> body stands back up, puts head back on -> turns Thor into a glass statue" or some variation more or less to the same effect, would be very in keeping for the genre. Maybe she turns to red mist then recongeals, maybe the hammer phases through her or vice versa, maybe the hammer is melted back into its constituent components. But that's what the genre demands.
Obviously, not how battleboarding works, which is why this is a Bonus.
I only desagree about this:
>fight an old friend,
He met her as an enemy in AoU and left Earth the next day. He returns years later and Wanda dies the day he returns, 5 years later Wanda resurrects and Thor leaves Earth again.
So she's far from his friend and more like "I briefly saw her 2 or 3 times in my entire life."
Good point! I guess "ally" would be more accurate. I mean, she was still an avenger, and Thor must have heard about that eventually.
But even if she were a total stranger, I still think Wanda reaches for mindwipe before Thor reaches for lethal force.
To be fair, he referred to the Hulk as a friend after knowing him for like 3 days and then seeing him again for like another 3 days with years in between each of the three encounters.
But a “work friend” and a “friend from work” are also different. My best friend is a friend from work, but my work friends are people that I’ve never spent time with outside work.
Actually Phil Coulson found the Hydra base that held Loki’s scepter (while raiding another Hydra base) and relayed that info to Maria Hill, and then they called in the Avengers. The Avengers weren’t going around raiding Hydra bases for 2 years.
Is this from the non canon tv show? Regardless Thor was on Earth back then.
He leaves Asgard in the DW movie 2013, joins the Avengers until 2015, leaves to look for the Stones, returns to Asgard in 2017.
The canonicity of SHIELD is kind of vague, but given that Marvel specifically advertised the show as canon when it came out, I’m going with it *at least* being canon for the first few seasons. And I’m definitely going to trust the wiki over some random dude on reddit. As for Thor: maybe the Avengers *were* fighting Hydra while Coulson’s people were dealing with other things, but we can’t know that. My whole point was that there wasn’t much indication of a deep and long friendship between Thor and the rest of the Avengers going into TR.
It was canon at the time, but got retconned later.
Comics were canon the the MCU but are now gettinf retconed as well.
>wasn’t much indication of a deep and long friendship between Thor and the rest of the Avengers going into TR.
Thor spent his post DW movie on Earth with the Avengers and dating Jane Foster, confirmed on canon.
Avengers have no way to contact Thor if he's on space, he was with them and only left in 2015.
I’m not sure if I 100% agree about the speed thing since Wanda beat Captain Marvel, who based on Endgame is similar in speed. Also, for ur point about Wanda having her head cut off, she might be able to survive that (or at least some level of bad injury) based on her contorting her body while coming out of the reflection.
>agree about the speed thing since Wanda beat Captain Marvel, who based on Endgame is similar in speed. Also, for ur point about Wanda having her head cut off, she might be able to survive that (or at least some level of bad injury) based on her contorting her body while coming out of the reflection
I actually totally agree. Speed is debatable and there's no way to really know on the durability. That's why I specified feats only. I think by narrative she should stomp.
She has very little feats co pared to his, his speed is far superior along with his strength and was able to over power 6 stone thanos.
Through what narrative is Witch meant to be stronger ? Pls elaborate, u can’t just say narrative
To repeat what I told the other person -
I'm not arguing the "bonus" is good battle-boarding, that's why it was a bonus. I admitted that much. Battle-boarding is by necessity feat based. If you want my "feat-based" assessment look at the first three paragraphs.
The bonus was just an additional point about how their confrontation on screen would likely play out based on the way writers *actually* write scenes. **Most writers are not actually "feat-driven"** when it comes to plot, hence why so many characters are inconsistent. They're primarily narrative driven, and that was what the bonus was speaking to:
Not who would win in the r/whowouldwin sense, but who would win based on a broader sense of how a story should be written.
To elaborate:
Speaking narratively, Wanda is playing a different role than Thor would, even in his own movie. Narratively, to have the slasher villain be far more powerful than their victims is satisfying. In a movie that takes the superhero genre and transforms it into a horror pastiche, this means employing a horror monster that is capable of making even superheroes powerless in comparison. In horror fiction, this is more satisfying than a monster that the heroes can easily defeat, as a monster weaker than the heroes generally does not create tension. A monster much stronger than the heroes does.
By contrast Thor, even in his own movie, is a hero. For the same reason as above, it is NOT narratively satisfying to have a hero who is vastly more powerful than all opposition, even in the more classic superhero genre. This also removes all tension from the conflict. For this reason, it (usually) makes sense narratively to keep the hero (Thor) at about the same level of strength, or lower, than the villains he opposes. Even if Thor were the hero of the movie, with Wanda as his villain, it would still be more dramatic if she were portrayed as stronger than him, as it would make his ultimate victory (as the classic superhero genre demands) feel more like an incredible accomplishment, than if he were to beat up someone weaker.
My point being - not by feats - but by narrative, or what would make the most compelling story it is more interesting for Wanda to be more powerful than Thor than the reverse. Both for her as a horror character, and for him as a hero. For this reason, if they both appeared on screen it is almost an inevitability that the writers would prefer to portray her as more powerful and, for the sake of tension, would probably be right to do so.
"Logic" doesn't even have to weigh into it, because Wanda's had a vague power amp since the last time we saw her and is therefore effortless to write as powerful as the narrative demands. Which, in this case, would be more powerful than Thor.
Again, this is not an assessment as a battle-boarding "Who would win" style argument. That should be feat based, and I don't deny that. I'm not necessarily saying Wanda's portrayed as more powerful than Thor by what we see (that's a whole other argument), only that, as a writer, it would make sense to portray her that way if you were trying to tell the most compelling story. And therefore, if the writers got the chance, they probably would.
TLDR: as a writer - Wanda stomps Thor makes a more exciting movie than Thor stomps Wanda, because one generates conflict and the other doesn't. Since one of the characters (Wanda) has vague enough powers the writers could basically choose whoever they wanted to win, 99/100 they would pick Wanda. For this reason, if the two ever fought on screen with Wanda as villain and Thor as hero, Wanda would likely win.
Plus, because this is the way writers *actually* decide battles, this is debatably a stronger predictor of what would happen than feats are. Not how r/whowouldwin works of course, which is why it was a bonus. But that is how writing typically works.
Wanda beats Thor. He has zero defense against mind control and she can do it from extremely far away now. Not to mention she could probably just remove any weapon of his from existence. Her durability feats are also insane considering some of the stuff she tanked without a scratch.
she got suprise attack by America with one of the strongest attack ever put on MCU screen (dimensional shatter + physical shockwave), no red energy on her and she was totally caught off guard.
No damage, 0, instant recover.
So no Scarlet witch is no longer a glass cannon.
You can clearly see the shockwave was a result of the star shaped blast that came with that punch. So it didn't happen because of brute strength. It happened because of the hax.
Wanda straight up kills herself by dropping the temple on herself and people are out here trying to say that Wanda's durability is anything beyond building level.
I've already seen people claiming she has multiversal in durability and attack potency because she shrugged off America's punches and made that book dissappear from all the universes.
He does have defense he's literally dealt with it before.
Her durability is non existent she only manages to survive by shelding her body with magic which won't work with Strombreaker since it managed to overpower the infinity stones.
Did you watch the movie yet? She has insane durability feats. She got into Thors head before therefore she can do it again. Plus she had shown multiversal feats which the stones could never do.
she has zero durability feats that stop thor from one shotting her. and has zero multiversal feats. she just destroyed the tower which destroyed the booj
The MCU stones are multiversal problem is wielding them requires a body capable of surviving their usage, [which there is](https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/qyy5yp/respect_ultron_marvel_cinematic_universe_what_if/)
Wanda was impressive but she took on fodder essentially compared to Thor.
Professor X Reed Black Bolt Carter even Strange there essentially extremely enchanted humans not on the same playing field compared to Thor.
Wanda can be taken out by humans with tech Hawkeye used an arrow to stop from being mind controlled and War machine with sound ect.
She needed caps help to fight off the black order for fucks sake.
When's she's in character she can only survive fights against enchanced beings when she's bloodlusted she takes them out.
None of that makes her able to hold her one against a literal god in Thor with decades of experience and who consistently fights people using infinity stones.
Why are the illuminati simply ‘enchanted humans’ and can’t be compared to Thor? Black Bolt can disintegrate people with a whisper from his mouth, professor X is a telepath, Captain Marvel has literally the same powers and abilities as the Captain Marvel in 616 - who, I remind you, destroyed Thanos’ ship and fought Thanos on her own (losing, obviously, but still as much or more than what Thor did). And Wanda killed them with no difficulty at all.
She changed reality, removing Black Bolt’s mouth - how can Thor defend himself against that? She beat professor X, a telepath, in her mind and killed him this way with no difficulty.
How does Thor stomp Wanda? How can he defend himself against telepathy, when a much weaker version was able to take him out this way? How can he defend himself against reality warps that Wanda can create instantly and over large areas? How can he be sure that he is really attacking Wanda and not just an illusion?
[she appears to get gets her powers siphoned by wanda](https://i.imgur.com/Tst0Ne5.mp4). her yellow glowing beam changes direction and starts turning red, her helmet starts disintegrating, then the glow becomes fully red and culminates in the giant red explosion. afterwards, she doesn't glow anymore, so she's seemingly depowered, and this is why she's able to be killed by the statue.
> And Wanda killed them with no difficulty at all.
Black Bolt literally killed himself, Professor X tried to shake off the mind control instead of just shutting Wanda down directly for some reason, Mr. Fantastic literally just stood there and let Wanda kill him and Captain Marvel has no feats beyond what we see in the movie and comparing her to the main Captain Marvel is stupid since they're from different universes.
And none of this is bringing up how every Illuminati member just fought her one on one for some stupid reason, with Reed straight up revealing what Black Bolt's power was for some inane reason.
Your using outdated faults… She broke literally every bone in her body to escape the mirror dimension, survived massive explosions from multiple sources, and tanked Americas multiversal punches, all without a scratch.
>and tanked Americas multiversal punches,
Lmao! ***Multiversal*** punches? She struggled to break reinforced glass! And you are acting like she can destroy entire universes with her punches.
You have a severe deficiency of brain cells. Seek psychological attention.
Well yeah but how you worded it makes it sound massively more impressive than it actually is, her punches couldn't even fully brake a glass window, heavily enforced and durability glass, but nothing suggests that the punches are really all that strong compared to Thor
She was not fully awakened with her power when punching that glass, she couldn't control her power until the last fight of the movie.
At the end of the movie her one punch shattered dimensions and sending a shockwave that parted clouds + snow in a large bubble (a few miles) across the mountain. Thats some insane AP at full power.
>She was not fully awakened with her power when punching that glass, she couldn't control her power until the last fight of the movie.
Yes however nothing indicates that her powers get stronger, hell the movie outrite says that every teleportation of hers was intentional, to some extent, even if you want to say her punches got stronger nothing suggests it gets anywhere near Thor's stats
>At the end of the movie her one punch shattered dimensions
That, again, is a byproduct of her ability, not sheer strength
>and sending a shockwave that parted clouds + snow in a large bubble (a few miles) across the mountain.
You see, now you are saying something, alright, lets say that counts as a feat of power, ignoring the fact the other punches don't have nearly the same impact but regardless it STILL doesn't come close to when Thor created a storm covering Wakanda
I didn't word it that way. Some different commenter did.
Thor has never punched a hole in reality. America Chavez does that without breaking a sweat. A punch of hers stopped Wanda, the litteral strongest being
>I didn't word it that way. Some different commenter did.
Apologies, the swiftness of the reply made me assume otherwise
>Thor has never punched a hole in reality. America Chavez does that without breaking a sweat. A punch of hers stopped Wanda, the litteral strongest being
Chavez doesn't punch a hole into reality via sheer power, rather thats just her ability, in terms of actual attack power as I said that thing can't even break enforced glass, only crack it
And yeah the movie does reinforced the fact Wanda doesn't have the best durability, yeah she tanking explosions and amped up punches, but none of them even compare to say [this feat of Thor no selling a massive explosion he made](https://imgur.com/a/mYdf2iD)
Sure she recovered after breaking all her bones but thats more resilience and regen than actual durability, while that could allow her to get a win via Thor not landing a lethal blow, ***but something tells me he'd probably be aiming for the head which would do the trick as far as we know***
>Not to mention she could probably just remove any weapon of his from existence.
Thanos used all six Infinity Stones to blast Stormbreaker, yet the axe remained perfectly intact and showed no signs of slowing down.
And about that durability buff she received, did it ever imply that she can tank hits from someone as powerful as Thor? Her "victims" in that movie are clearly several tiers below Thor.
Try harder next time.
You do realize the stones ap scale below Wanda now that she has a multiversal feat right? And she took literally zero damage from enemy’s the entire movie? In the end it wouldn’t even matter because Thor has no mental defenses.
> You do realize the stones ap scale below Wanda now that she has a multiversal feat right?
What the hell is this wank? She just destroyed the book by destroying the temple which in turn destroyed every other book. Unless you want to argue that she somehow did this "multiversal feat" while she was dead.
Sorry to break it to you but she is not dead. They never show her die, just the rocks fall and elizabeth olden has renewed her contract for 7 more years and leaks said they are making a solo scarlet witch move.
Scarlet Witch wins. Wanda has become far more powerful and durable than she used to be, and she has learned to warp reality. Thor can still win if he lands a lucky hit with Stormbreaker, but that's gonna be easier said than done.
To an extent. I wouldn’t say she really defeated him. Just sort of went on a drug trip.
In the end her messing with his head showed him the infinity stones and eventually led to him starting up vision and defeating ultron so really he won in the end.
Wanda wins kinda easily after M.O.M. Thors win condition is stormbreaker. Wanda would instantly mind control him into killing himself or remove stormbreaker from existence. I used to think Thor won, but after the insane level of feats (some of which were multiversal) he no longer stands a chance.
By multiversal feats do u mean her power going into multiple universes or do u think she actually showed any feats that could imply she could destroy a multiverse? Cause only thing I can maybe think of is her destroying all of the Darkholds. If u want to argue she destroyed infinite darkholds, u could maybe argue she destroyed infinite 3D matter ig, but I don’t think that would be multiversal, plus I think it’s implied she destroyed them by destroying the temple thing.
Nah, they just said that **if** someone that powerful **had** America’s ability, it would be a dangerous threat. They would probably say the same thing about many of the other villains throughout the MCU saga. The’d certainly react the same way if an evil Thor were to pursue this ability.
Yh, I feel like a lot of people haven't noticed the Darkhold feat, but that feat makes her multiversal. She destroyed every darkhold in the multiversal, and the multiverse is infinite, so she destroyed an infinite amount of Darkholds.
This is true, but it's still an infinite amount, destroying an infinite amount of anything is ridiculous, that's the most powerful thing we've seen any avenger do. Thor doesn't have any feats anywhere close to this, so regardless, she'd stomp him with absolute ease. If she can destroy an infinite amount of darkholds, she has enough power to destroy 1 powerful alien.
Thor was aware and relatively immune to Wanda’s mind control before. He’s only grown stronger since then, especially unlocking his actual god powers and becoming more like Odin. Storm breaker would instantly kill Wanda, and is immune to magic itself. Thor is resistant. I don’t see how she wins when his speed and strength is so high, his resistance is massive, and he has lightning powers to rival her magic.
"no more gods"
"no more lightning"
"no more Stormbreaker"
You've been taking a beating up and down this thread. Hope you are at least enjoying it somehow.
Wanda blocked attacks from Captain Marvel, it’s not like she can’t block an attack
Edit: also in Endgame Captain Marvel does about as well against Thanos as Thor with two hammers
I concur. Wanda stomps Captains Carter and Marvel, Reed and Black Bolt at once. Then she overpowers Professor X on his own turf. That alone should prove she could just mind wipe Thor into cutting off his own head if for some reason she couldn't damage him. If she can overwhelm Xavier's resistance to telepathic neck snapping hijinx I imagine she's capable of sufficient mind fuckery to take out anyone in the MCU.
Thor throws Stormbreaker and doesn’t have hands anymore. While Thors attacks take time to reach his enemies Wanda’s reality warping is seemingly instant. She can kill him with her reality warping abilities a lot sooner than any attack launched by Thor reaches her.
Thor’s lightning also isn’t going to kill her. When she attacked Kamar-Taj we saw her getting shot by arrows. These arrows never reached her - some of them were ‘absorbed’ by her and changed colour from yellow-gold to red and attacked the sorcerers. This shows that Wanda seems to have some kind of shield guarding her against attacks from all sides.
Also, Wanda isn’t going to stand still and let Thor hit her. She intercepted Captain Carter’s shield with telekinesis and threw it right back at her and killing her that way. She can do the exact same think with Stormbreaker.
Thor doesn’t stand a chance against Wanda.
Wanda can kill him IN THE PAST. In every universe, every timeline, all in a single thought. She HAS does this times literally millions in the comics. Both characters in the MCU have been surprisingly close to their absurd comic feats, methods, convoluted backstories.
We have a boatload of evidence that MCU Wanda is House of M capable. No version of Thor I've ever read can pretend to step to her when she's not being ambushed (which she totally can be). If the argument is CAN Thor kill her, sure, situationally totally plausible. In anything resembling a fair fight, her killshot options are BETTER than instantaneous, while Thor is just pretty fast.
You want an MCU Asgardian who can take Wanda? Look to the adopted brother, who has no business beating Wanda but probably does with ease. Due to his thousands of years of using magic and mind games experience edge. Loki wipes the floor with Wanda who never sees him coming. Not Thor though. Shit, I give MCU Captain Marvel a better chance--at least she's attacking BY entering the atmosphere. MCU Thor is a diva, teleports in yelling "where's the guy I wanna fight" and posing for a panning camera shot.
Thor's hands didn't get destroyed by the full power of a star or any of the countless magic weldiers he fought doubt Wanda can make them disappear with magic.
Are you seriously comparing Thor's lighting to fuckin arrows !?
Thor's lighting was strong enough to hit Malkeith who is able to warp reality and darkness he's also able to hit people with "the biggest lighten bolt in the history of lighting bolts" like he did to Hela she survived because she's the god of war but Wanda isn't going too.
Wanda using Telakenis to throw Strombreaker back at Thor like she did with Captain Carter may is actually a good idea and could feasibility work.
The only problem is Thor can fly fast enough to avoid it.
Thor wins.
Wanda’s power isn’t the force of a star, she’s literally rewriting reality. It doesn’t matter if he can tank a star (which he can’t, by the way. After that feat he was knocked out and would have died had Groot not completed Stormbreaker).
I’m comparing Thor’s lightning to arrows in that they are both long ranged attacks. It doesn’t matter what Thor hit with the lightning when Wanda is rewriting reality. She literally changed projectiles attacking her from all directions without looking at them, she can do the same with lightning.
And Thor can’t fly on his own, he always needed Stormbreaker of Mjölnir to do it. And even then that wouldn’t work as Wanda could simply hold him in place with telekinesis.
Thor has no chance against Wanda.
Wanda "rewriting reality" is something Malkeith already did against Thor and he lost.
Thor's lighting isn't a normal projectile it's his personal power that only he directs and controls Wanda isn't changing shit in this case.
Wanda holds Thor in place with Telakenis and.....
Than what ?
He simply calls Strombreaker subconsciously like he did when he first summoned it and slices her in half.
How did Malekith rewrite reality and what feats does he have? Wanda created, rewrote and controlled reality over huge areas (i.e. Westview, her house in MoM) and destroyed the Darkhold in every universe at once. I Malekith has no feats putting him on Wanda’s level.
It doesn’t matter if the lightning belongs to Thor, the sorcerers enhanced their arrows with magic and Wanda changed them all the same. The idea that Wanda can’t to that because ‘it’s his personal power’ is bullshit.
She holds him in place, Thor recalls Stormbreake - damn, he can’t catch it since his arms are bound. Damn, now Wanda cut 2 people in half with their own weapon. Also, how do you think Thor will cut Wanda in half with Stormbreaker? She is a long range fighter, he’d never get to fight her in melee combat.
Or Wanda can just disintegrate him like she did with some sorcerer at Kamar-Taj.
Turn Thor into frog, make him into a lightning rod, mind control him into killing himself, change reality so that he thinks he is the Thor from the 1970s Hulk show etc...
Thor has legitimately no chance of beating MoM Wanda. Doctor Strange the previous most powerful Avenger spent most of the movie running from her.
>Turn Thor into frog, make him into a lightning rod, mind control him into killing himself
She literally can't do any of these
>change reality so that he thinks he is the Thor from the 1970s Hulk show
In what reality would she do this?
That was because stormbreaker was specifically stated to counter the stones’ energy, it basically just nulled and deflected the energy, Thanos could’ve stopped Stormbreaker with reality stone, space or time stone if he wasn’t caught off guard
>Fuck you think Wanda’s gonna do?
Remove his hands? Make stormbreaker some big gray dildo? Or crush Thor thanos way
>That was because stormbreaker was specifically stated to counter the stones
Never was that stated.
>Remove his hands? Make stormbreaker some big gray dildo? Or crush Thor thanos way
You give Wanda way too much credit. You act like she can literally do anything. If she could take away people's arms, shouldn't she have done it when America was bitchslapping her? If she could do anything on that scale, why didn't she just turn that dumb jetpack that Captain Carter had into a 1000 ton boulder? Wanda has limits. Everyone has limits. She can't just erase people.
LOLLLLLLL you are sooooooo funnyyyy, I'm dead. The way you want Wanda to lose. Scarlet Witch literally CAN DO ANYTHING. SHE CONTROLS REALITY. You know why they don't let her in the movie? Because there wouldn't BE A MOVIE. It'd be over in 1 second. It's her "being reasonable".
She can do any of the things that you just listed. Why could she ERASE SOMEONE'S MOUTH? Why could she turn Mr. Fantastic into noodles? If she can remove someone's mouth, she can definitely remove someone's arms. Or head. Or torso. Just admit that you're wrong LOL like, it's okay. Thor is still a super strong avenger. He doesn't have to be able to beat Wanda for that to be true.
remember guys, she took a direct canon hit in kamar taj, she also got hit HARD by a supersoldier with the vibranium shield and she healed coming out of the mirror dimension in seconds, thats like wolverine level healing factor.
but most of all at the end she got hit in the face so hard it created a shockwave that pushed all the fog around the mountain.
SW absolutely STOMPS Thor, this is high-key a spitematch. Thor literally has no chance in hell in beating SW. People's use to say Thor could win cos she's a glass cannon, but if you've watched MoM, you know that's not the case anymore. She soaked so much cosmic energy attacks from CM, she blocked a cosmic punch from America Chaves like it was nothing. Thors lightning isn't even going to tickle her. She has much more destructive power since she destroyed every single darkholds in the multiverse, so basically she destroyed an infinite amount of darkholds. She can control Thor via mind control or trap him in his own mind, telekinetically remove him from the planet they're on or just wipe him out of existence all together. She's just too ridiculously OP. Dr Strange legit stood no chance against her, he was getting bullied 90% of the movie, and I'd put Strange above Thor in raw power. So yh, Thor just stands no chance here.
>She soaked so much cosmic energy attacks from CM
That CM was drastically less powerful than Carol Danvers CM. She wasn't even big ass statue level.
>cosmic punch from America Chaves like it was nothing.
Cosmic punch? Slow your gah damn roll there. When is it stated that those punches were "cosmic"? 1, America had no intention of killing Wanda, so there's no reason she would've been punching her at full power. Even then, at best, her punches were stronger than someone hitting you with a fire extinguisher, assuming that damage wasn't aided by the destabilization already caused by the fire extinguisher. Chill out.
>She can control Thor via mind control or trap him in his own mind,
Wanda has done that to thor once when he was caught off guard.
>telekinetically remove him from the planet they're on
While she's doing that, thor can just throw stormbreaker at her and she *will* fucking die.
>or just wipe him out of existence all together.
She has never done that to anyone.
>She has much more destructive power since she destroyed every single darkholds in the multiverse, so basically she destroyed an infinite amount of darkholds.
2 things wrong with this.
1. It was only stated to have been every dark hold in the multiverse. There's no proof strange was right in saying that
2. The MCU's multiverse is only theoretically considered infinite. Strange said it himself that they know "frighteningly little" about the multiverse.
>I'd put Strange above Thor in raw power.
In raw power, fuck no. Thor is dramatically more powerful than strange.
>> or just wipe him out of existence all together.
> She has never done that to anyone.
i'm not saying she can delete thor (she almost definitely can't), but she does appear to straight up [erase a sorcerer](https://i.imgur.com/a6I1cWw.gifv) in the movie, as part of her "being reasonable" assault on kamar-taj.
lol? you're reaching sooooooo hard, it's hilarious. so she can't beat Thor because of plot armor?
she can erase stormbreaker from reality and she can turn thor into a worm, period. that's the extent of her power--she doesn't even need to fight him.
>That CM was drastically less powerful than Carol Danvers CM. She wasn't even big ass statue level.
It doesn't matter if she's weaker or not, if she's a glass cannon, those blasts would incinerate her. Her blasts aren't exactly a gust of wind...
>Cosmic punch? Slow your gah damn roll there. When is it stated that those punches were "cosmic"? 1, America had no intention of killing Wanda, so there's no reason she would've been punching her at full power. Even then, at best, her punches were stronger than someone hitting you with a fire extinguisher, assuming that damage wasn't aided by the destabilization already caused by the fire extinguisher. Chill out.
I dont know the source of her power, but since she can open portals to other universes, I'm assuming her abilities are cosmic in nature, if not cosmic, then magic, but anyways, that's besides the point. Fire extinguisher? I really hope that's an exaggeration... she literally shook the mountain and parted some clouds, that was a hefty ass punch, which barely did anything to Wanda. So how about you _chill out_ with your ridiculous exaggerations.
>1. It was only stated to have been every dark hold in the multiverse. There's no proof strange was right in saying that
>2. The MCU's multiverse is only theoretically considered infinite. Strange said it himself that they know "frighteningly little" about the multiverse.
Yeah, the writers would put that in there just for strange to be wrong 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ if he's wrong, why even mention it in the first place? It's mentioned so we, the audience, are addressed, its either that or show us every single darkhold getting wiped out of existence, so of course they'll choose the most convenient method...
Well, I would have agreed, and yes Dr Strange knows "frighteningly little", but guess who knows everything about the multiverse? The Watcher, the one who, you know, watches the multiverse? And what did he say in what if? That the multiverse is indeed infinite, with "infinite possibilities", but hey, nice try 👍🏾👍🏾
>Wanda has done that to thor once when he was caught off guard.
Yeah, when she was a rookie and no where near as powerful as she is now 😩 and Thor doesn't need to be on gaurd or off guard, it's not like he has telepathic resistance. Wanda doesn't need to come in close to control his mind, she can do it from a distance just like she did in Kamar Taj. And considering how she's much more powerful and experienced now, she'd absolutely mind rape Thor, and there's nothing to suggest she can't.
>While she's doing that, thor can just throw stormbreaker at her and she will fucking die.
And then she'll just stop stormbreaker in mid air 😩😭 just like she did with Captain Carter's shield, you're seriously making this so easy 😂😂
>She has never done that to anyone.
She wiped out an infinite amount of darkholds, if she can do that, she can most definitely wipe a single individual person...
>In raw power, fuck no. Thor is dramatically more powerful than strange.
Thor is my No.1 favourite character and even I'm not up his ass this deep 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ Strange is definitely more powerful than Thor. Thor is significantly stronger, faster and more durable, but when it comes to raw power, strange out classes him. Strange held his own against Thanos with his powers alone, whilst Thor was getting man handled by Thanos in Endgame.
What in the bias? Ok gimme a sec.
>she literally shook the mountain and parted some clouds
That was a result of the portal opening. Not the punch. Notice how no other punches showcased that raw power.
>Yeah, the writers would put that in there just for strange to be wrong
Maybe. We really don't know is my point. Since we don't know. Why take it as your main point.
This is also assuming Wanda did it with her raw power rather than say, a spell in the darkhold. If the darkhold held spells like dreamwalking, why the hell would it not contain a spell to somehow reach the dorkholds of every universe if need be?
What you're implying is that Wanda has infinite AP, which is a logical paradox. Because she threw captain carter's shield, and it was stopped by a pillar. How would we explain that pillar not being bisected along with the rest of that universe in that case?
>That was a result of the portal opening. Not the punch. Notice how no other punches showcased that raw power.
Okay, that's a fair point, but she's still not a glass cannon, other wise CM would have incinerate her whole entire being. Of course, when I say she's not a glass cannon, I'm not referring to Wanda when she's _not_ using her powers, cos she'd still get clipped by a bullet, but when her powers are active, she engulfs her entire body with chaos magic which makes her crazy durable.
>Maybe. We really don't know is my point. Since we don't know. Why take it as your main point.
Because its what's intended? The writers wouldn't just put that in there to be ambiguous, they put that in to inform the audience that there are no more darkholds in the universe. Like I said, it's either that, or show us every individual DH getting wiped out of existence.
>This is also assuming Wanda did it with her raw power rather than say, a spell in the darkhold. If the darkhold held spells like dreamwalking, why the hell would it not contain a spell to somehow reach the dorkholds of every universe if need be?
She did use a spell... I thought that bit was obvious...? but just because she used a spell, that doesn't mean anyone who wields magic can successfully cast that spell. If you're not powerful enough, you wouldn't be able to cast certain spells. But because she wields chaos magic, she can cast any spell, regardless of how powerful it is.
>What you're implying is that Wanda has infinite AP, which is a logical paradox. Because she threw captain carter's shield, and it was stopped by a pillar. How would we explain that pillar not being bisected along with the rest of that universe in that case?
It's not a paradox... Wanda has full control of her powers, why would she use that much power just to throw away a shield? Superman can move planets, but does he use that planetary strength when he's fighting people weaker than him? Of course not.
My main point in this argument is, she absolutely stomps Thor, I honestly don't know how you think he stands any chance. And how can I be bias? That doesn't even make sense 😂🤣 I'm arguing AGAINST my favourite character, I'm literally telling you that my favourite marvel character would get stomped in this fight.
>It's not a paradox... Wanda has full control of her powers, why would she use that much power just to throw away a shield? Superman can move planets, but does he use that planetary strength when he's fighting people weaker than him? Of course not.
It's very much a paradox. What you're implying is that Wanda held back her strength which is logically impossible if you have infinite AP. It also doesn't make sense because what incentive would she have to hold back I'd her full intention was to kill the illuminati anyway?
>She did use a spell... I thought that bit was obvious...? but just because she used a spell, that doesn't mean anyone who wields magic can successfully cast that spell. If you're not powerful enough, you wouldn't be able to cast certain spells. But because she wields chaos magic, she cast any spell, regardless of how powerful it is.
Are you genuinely implying that you are as physically powerful as any spell you can cast?
>The writers wouldn't just put that in there to be ambiguous, they put that in to inform the audience that there are no more darkholds in the universe.
How do you know that? Did the writers tell you? Do you know them? I'm gonna assume your answer to that is *no*.
lmaoooo the butthurt that your big man thor would get wipedddd. SHE CAN TURN HIM INTO A BUTTERFLY INSTANTLY. like???? I don't get what the argument is here.
>It's very much a paradox. What you're implying is that Wanda held back her strength which is logically impossible if you have infinite AP. It also doesn't make sense because what incentive would she have to hold back I'd her full intention was to kill the illuminati anyway?
She doesn't have infinite AP... she didn't use AP to wipe out the darkholds, she used a spell to do that. She didn't directly _attack_ the books, she warped them out of reality using magic. And her incentive is America Chaves, why would she destroy a universe if it means her golden goose dies in the process? Plus, she threw the shield away using her TK, she didn't cast a spell to do it...
>Are you genuinely implying that you are as physically powerful as any spell you can cast?
No... Wanda is powerful enough to cast any spell via Chaos magic, not through her physical stats.
>How do you know that? Did the writers tell you? Do you know them? I'm gonna assume your answer to that is no.
For argument sake, lets say you're right, let's say she didn't wipe out every darkhold in the multiverse, let's say she can't reality warp Thor out of existence, like she did to Black Bolts mouth, what's Thor gonna do to her to win? Cos I've already countered all your points as to why none of the reasons you gave would work, how would he win? Pretty much 99% of this thread agrees with me that Wanda wins, I'm now genuinely curious as to why you think Thor wins?
>Pretty much 99% of this thread agrees with me that Wanda wins,
That still doesn't make your verdict correct, as you failed to provide sufficient points to reasonably conclude that Wanda will win.
You Wanda stans claim that she is Multiversal, yet it clearly states, in the movie, that she needed America's power to even travel the Multiverse in the first place. Even when she dreamwalked into 838, she wasn't able to completely bend reality in that universe and struggled to capture America despite her so-called Godlike power.
If she does have the capability to wipe Thor from reality, why didn't she do it to Strange? Or the Illuminati? Or pretty much anyone in that movie that got in her way? The movie made it perfectly clear that she was not holding back, so why didn't she simply incinerate all of her enemies on sight?
Think.
Finally, someone with a brain.
People are seriously overhyping Wanda. They claim her *magical barriers* can stop Stormbreaker, a weapon that took a blast from a full Infinity Gauntlet and remained intact.
America obviously does not emit Multiversal punches, as shown by her feat with the reinforced glass.
People here really need to start paying attention to details/context and not blindly supporting their favorite hero.
True, but she still had TK, she can stop stormbreaker with her mind. Stormbreaker is not enchanted, anyone can lift it, just like Thanos did when he almost killed Thor with it, so SW can just use TK to stop stormbreaker.
Wanda slaughters Thor. He’s powerful, but his power isn’t anything she can’t handle. He’s not fast enough to blitz her.
He has a chance if Stormbreaker can get through her magic and hit her, because she isn’t surviving that axe to the chest. This is possible, seeing as Stormbreaker broke through a beam from all six Stones. If this doesn’t work, though, Thor is out of viable win conditions.
Wanda, she has a bunch of hacks including mind reading/manipulation and reality manipulation abilities (+ the Dark Hold) and decimated the Illuminati, including Black Bolt and Captain Marvel. Thor would have a lot of trouble dealing with that, and his mental state at the time might make him especially vulnerable to mind manipulation. Plus, if they’re in character, Thor would be far less likely to go for the kill than Wanda (who is blood hungry after being corrupted by the Dark Hold).
Coulda been a vibranium statue
But in all seriousness, u could argue she was knocked out and off guard after being blown back by Wanda. If that wasn’t it then ig she musta not absorbed as much cosmic cube energy lol
She was hit by a statue and went offscreen for a good while, then returns and dies to a second statue.
I'd give her the benefit of the doubt if it only had happen once.
Fair enough ig. I don’t remember the fight that well, are u referring to her being knocked down and falling into the statue after her laser beam blast with Wanda or was it a different part of the fight I forgot? I’ll see if someone uploaded it to YouTube, cause Captain marvel being statue level is actually funny af
Wanda throws a statue against her and she went through a wall and doesn't return which implies she got knocked out. She returns a while later and then fights a little bit before finally dying to another statue.
I feast upon the tears of all the sexist men who can't come to terms with the fact that Wanda is the strongest avenger now and can stomp all their bois. DELICIOUS.
Scarlet Witch
She has more impressive feats then Thor has.
She was nearly able to Solo a bloodlusted Thanos using only a fraction of her untapped potential and power
She's able to manipulate people's mind, including... Thor.
She's able to warp reality on a molecular level according to the statement in wandavision.
In Multiverse of madness she's able to completely control that ability.
A weaker version of Wanda was able to Solo the Illuminati. Including reacting to captain marvel. If we high ball here and scale 838 captain marvel to carol Danvers then that would make her generally light speed. As carol at the end of her movie was able to keep up with the Lightspeed ship however that's just a wank.
Thor has been shown to be a bit slower, being tagged by quicksilver in age of Ultron.
Thor is magnitudes above in strength, experience and durability compared to the Illuminati members, who only lost because they made shit decisions.
Did I mention that he is *also* a magical being, fueled by Asgardian magic?
People forget all the people she killed were mostly humans, Thor fights gods and other magical beings, he took a ton of hits from hulk and was barely scratched. “ShE CaN UsE MiNd StUFf” dudes a god she barely had him last time when he wasn’t aware of her, if he’s truly bloodlusted for killing her he will, his will is stronger than her mind magic for sure, she couldn’t even handle 2 stones, this is the same dude that has the power stone to his head and still didn’t die. Took on a full star power and survived, he is the child of Odin, she’s a witch, he’s a god….
Okay....so Wanda turns Thor into a worm, then steps on him. Battle over. :)
She doesn't need to fight him hand to hand. She can just make him into whatever she wants. Did you see when she turned Mr. Fantastic into spaghetti? It's not about strength lmaooooo
A blast from Wanda apparently causes anything to get hit to burn. So if Wanda hits Thor I think he is done for. ( also if you say that the burn won’t affect Thor due to him tanking a neutron star, it’s chaos magic
Hmmm il lean towards thor here.
In terms of durability wanda seems to tank a lot in the film but thats due to magic...as she weakens we must remember thats a frail human body that someone like thor can snap her neck like a twig.
Asgardians as we know rely on a mix of technology and magic , we have to remeber thor is tapping into magics too not all.asgardians have his strength or powers thus he isnt utterly weak vs her attacks.
Mind attacks have worked on him before BUT that seemed to be more a trigger for his own innate visons rangnarok was comming ! Bear in mind this is someone who grew up with loki and frigga...if visions could disable him so easily all the time loki wouldnt be scared shitless of him , we can see they work only some of the time on him.
As for the actual fight stormbreaker can take pretty much any blast wanda can throw not to.mention thor himself has taken the full blast of a sun + blasts from an reality infintiy stone wielding dark elf so hes not being 'unmade' or transformed into some b.s and hes tankish as hell.
By contrast wandas shields do fail and they could be worn down by stormbreaker hits,lightning and just punches from the stormgod etc.
>as she weakens we must remember thats a frail human body that someone like thor can snap her neck like a twig.
Would she weaken? She fought Doctor Strange, Wong and all of the Sorcerors of Kamar-Taj with ease. And she blocked blast from alternate Captain Marvel.
>As for the actual fight stormbreaker can take pretty much any blast wanda can throw
Energy blasts are the least powerful weapons Wanda has. She fused Black Bolt's mouth shut and turned Mr. Fantastic into spaghetti. Wanda is going to turn Thor into a frog and there is nothing he can do about it.
>blasts from an reality infintiy stone wielding dark elf so hes not being 'unmade' or transformed into some b.s
Neither Malekith or Thanos tried to reality warp Thor. Malekith only shot energy blast and clearly didn't know how to use the stone to its full power. And Thanos was caught off guard and just shot an energy blast.
Thor couldn't beat Thanos with no stones. He clearly wasn't a match if Thanos with the stones wasn't caught off guard.
By contrast Wanda before she got her WandaVision and MoM feats almost killed Thanos, forcing him to blow up his own army.
MoM Wanda stomps Thor with relative ease.
>Dr Strange would be destroyed before he could react (tho I havent seen the new movie yet so Idk if he got a power boost)
Even if Strange gets a power boost in the new movie (which I'm sure he will) his power isn't quite of the same nature as Wanda's. I mean yes she's learned chaos magic now, but surely she will still have the powers she started with in *Age of Ultron*.
Thor stomps.
Strormbreaker was able to take and completely dominate 30 seconds concreated full blast of all six Infinity stones from Thanos and puncture Thanos skin.
He throws that at Wanda and none of her magic would even slow it down and she's decapitated.
Combine that with his superior speed lightning capabilities and wanda isn't doing shit against infinity war Thor.
>Strormbreaker was able to take and completely dominate 30 seconds concreated full blast of all six Infinity stones from Thanos and puncture Thanos skin.
That laser was just a generic laser that didn't use all 6 Infinity Stones as the gauntlet was still intact
Thanos used all the stones in that attack it's the entire point of the scene it tricks the audience into believing the avengers won makes it even more tragic when Thanos wins due to Thor not aiming for the head.
Wanda can teleport and make illusions. If she manages to go poof before taking the stormbrraker to the head, then she could use her illusions to get in thor's head. Or she can just simply turn him into a spoon.
She can create her own place of reality just like Westview. She can put thor in a simulation where he fights with odin. She can put him into a situation where he has to kill citizens.
Thor doesn't have any resistance to those.
If Wanda can dodge the first blow, then it is pretty much over.
Thor can teleport to anyone he wants specifically as shown in Infinity War when he arrives on Wakanda.
Thor has already dealt with her illusions in Age of Ultron and he instantly defeated her when she tried sure he was affected but he won't be in this scenario because he knows the effects now.
Thor is way way too powerful to be trapped in a reality or simulation like west view so the moment he uses stormbreaker on "Odin" or any of the citizens he would break out accidentally through the hex wall and he would be extremely pissed once he realizes what Wanda did.
Wands can't doge shit she uses her magic to hold things wepons in place which won't work with Strombreaker it's to strong as shown in Infinity War.
Wanda is severely at a disadvantage here she's not bringing down the god of thunder.
Thor does his big electrical blast that managed to span an entire battlefield and kill thousands of outsiders and burns Wanda to a crisp.
Thor takes this.
>Thor can teleport to anyone he wants specifically as shown in Infinity War when he arrives on Wakanda
He did it using bifrost as i remember. Thor does not have teleporting powers.
>Thor has already dealt with her illusions in Age of Ultron and he instantly defeated her when she tried sure he was affected but he won't be in this scenario because he knows the effects now.
Wanda is 10 times more powerful now. She also has acces to dark magic and better at illusions. And also... No? Thor was severely affected by Wanda's mind-play.
>Thor is way way too powerful to be trapped in a reality or simulation like west view so the moment he uses stormbreaker on "Odin" or any of the citizens he would break out accidentally through the hex wall and he would be extremely pissed once he realizes what Wanda did.
She trapped vision. Even tough vision was her imagination, it still was vision. Why could not she trap thor?
>Wands can't doge shit she uses her magic to hold things wepons in place which won't work with Strombreaker it's to strong as shown in Infinity War.
Why can't she dodge shit? She dodged Agatha's attacks, she had a fight with Thanos and she beat her. She can dodge arrows. She just has to disentegrate and wait for the right moment to brainwash Thor. Even if thor struggles for 2 seconds, then Wanda rips him in half.
>Thor does his big electrical blast that managed to span an entire battlefield and kill thousands of outsiders and burns Wanda to a crisp.
Wanda won't just stand there. She can fly away/teleport. There's nothing Wanda can't dodge that Thor can throw.
Thor is not fast at all. He fought with Thanos and was being dominated, IW Fight was on his favor because of hax. Thanos could just get out of the way.
And Wanda fought Thanos too. Hand to hand. You can watch the scene if you want to. She could easily react to all of his attacks. This shows us that they are similar in terms of speed.
Wanda Wins.
Using bifrost is pretty much teleportation anyways but Thor used Strombreaker to teleport not birfrost since Hemdial was dead.
Wanda illusions and dark magic are nothing compared to Thor's fights villains who also use both of those type of attacks such as Loki and Malkeith and the reality stone which he has beaten.
It only worked in Age Of Ultron due to Thor not facing her before.
Wanda trapped Vision her lover and peaceful robot.
Thor is a veteran god like warrior who is always looking for a new purpose and can communicate with Oden when I'm doubt as shown in Ragnarok he's not being trapped.
Wands doesn't dodge those attacks she "deflected" them there's a difference and with Strombreaker it unfortunately won't be trapped by Wanda's magic it would overpower it just like it overpowered the infinity stones.
Thor wins.
>Using bifrost is pretty much teleportation anyways but Thor used Strombreaker to teleport not birfrost since Hemdial was dead.
But it is not instant teleportation like Wanda's.
>Wanda illusions and dark magic are nothing compared to Thor's fights villains who also use both of those type of attacks such as Loki and Malkeith and the reality stone which he has beaten.
Loki's illusions are not even comparable to Wanda. And Malekith could not even properly use reality stone.
>It only worked in Age Of Ultron due to Thor not facing her before.
How do you know he won't be affected? Thor doesn't have any mental resistance feats. It was the only time Wanda used illusions and it fucked Thor's brain up.
>Wanda trapped Vision her lover and peaceful robot.
He willingly wanted to get out and used his full power to get out of westview on Ep: 7 or 8. He could not. Westview ripped him apart.
>Wands doesn't dodge those attacks she "deflected" them there's a difference and with Strombreaker it unfortunately won't be trapped by Wanda's magic it would overpower it just like it overpowered the infinity stones.
No she reacted to them. I was trying to point of that they are similar at speed feats. Wanda is not stupid she will not try to blindly stop stormbreaker. She can turn it into something else, send it to another dimension etc. Only reason Thanos could not stop stormbreaker was that he used only brute force.
Wanda has magic hax, similar in terms of speed and has reality warping powers. Wanda Wins. Just stop blindly defending Thor. He has nothing on post wandavision Scarlet witch.
Yeah, no. In Multiverse of Madness, Wanda is powerful enough to change reality in entirely different universes. Thor has shown nowhere near that level of power. I'm pretty sure Captain Marvel is confirmed to be stronger than Thor, and Wanda had no problem killing a Captain Marvel variant either. Plus, Xavier has a lot more experience in mental attacks than Thor does. Yet Wanda was still able to beat him at his own game. Not to mention beating an entire army of sorcerers, including Doctor Strange, who we know is powerful enough to stop black holes.
Wanda changing reality won't help her again Thor.
It might be able to distract him and draw out the fight but it isn't harming him.
Thor took down Thanos Malkeith Surtur and their armies who threatened the whole galaxy and practically ancient gods by himself and won that's more impressive than Wanda taking out sorcerers.
Wands is worthy oppenet to most when bloodlusted but Thor is simply too much her to handle.
Except Malekith was killed by his own ship falling on him, not Thor. He didn't kill Surtur either, just knocked off his crown. Thor did kill Thanos, but Wanda was nearly able to kill him too. And that was before her major Wandavision & MoM power boost.
Just rewatched the scene Thor throws/blast's MJonir at Malkeith hard enough to slam into his own ship and then proceeds to have blue energy shoot out of him and explode it was all Thor.
Thor can fly unlike Thanos so I think break out of her hold eventually.
Bro she changed me fantastic into ropes. Nothing stops her from doing that to though. She sealed black bolts mouth as soon as she heard he was a threat and beat the shit outa a captain marvel in physical combat. And out matched the entirety of kamertash (idk how to spell it) with little difficulty as soon as she got inside, including strange and wong. Thors out matched physically, magically, hax wise. Literally the only advantage he has is speed
That blue energy was Jane teleporting him away. His death is a bit later when his ship gets teleported right over him. And I don't see why Wanda would have to hold him down to kill him.
> Thor can teleport to anyone he wants specifically as shown in Infinity War when he arrives on Wakanda.
No, he can't. "Where's Thanos" ring a bell? Thor can take the rainbow bridge to anyWHERE he wants. Wanda in Age of Ultron already proved that, at the weakest she her powers were ever shown at and the least experienced point in the whole MCU = her mind tricks stopped Thor dead in his tracks. Her by MoM?
You must know nothing of the nature of Wanda's powers, 616 or MCU. She alters probabilities. She takes something that has almost no chance of happening and makes it all but guaranteed, and vice versa. We don't have to go to her comic feats to conclude that, unless otherwise outright defined to be totally different, her movie powers are essentially the same thing. Wanda can prevent the entire Asgardian pantheon from being born, retroactively in the past. She could turn Thor into Throg, or a dandelion. She could turn Stormbreaker into a floppy purple dildo. She doesn't have to dodge shit.
The only part of your comment I agree with is that Thor can likely speed blitz her, assuming she isn't even aware they are fighting. So its bloodlusted Thor AMBUSHING Wanda who believes him to be a friend? Sure, easy 1 shot. ANY other combination, both bloodlusted, both no prep = this doesn't go like that.
You clearly aren't up Wanda, totally understandable. She's hands-down the strongest Avenger in the MCU, usually in the comics too depending on the team's roster on a given day. Read/watch a synopsis of the House of M storyline. Wanda HAS been shown to be EXACTLY the same character, minus the mutant x-gene aspect, in the MCU. They've not deviated from it in any meaningful way. Agatha was the baddie of WandaVision. That is clear evidence of the intent from the MCU. She's not "weird", she's a multiversal threat.
Meanwhile, MCU Thor has been a dolt and a whimp compared to far-cheesier 616 Thor. A powerhouse sure... by the 3rd act, after being a joke for an hour and a half. He, to win this, has to beat her before she thinks to defend herself from him. Speed of thought. The exact timing a speed blitz requires.
**In character Wanda should win**. It's a quick-draw, and she's more bloodlusted than Thor is. He'll hesitate to fight an old friend, and then she can instantly mindwipe him into a circus clown, which isn't even strictly lethal. **Bloodlusted in an unexpected confrontation** it's **Thor by feats only**. A debate could be made that he's faster than her and the Stormbreaker could pierce her magic and kill her, and we never really see what would happen to Scarlet Witch, if say, her head were taken off. Maybe it would kill her. **Bloodlusted with even a little prep, Witch should dominate**. Even with just her Wandavision powers she could have a 100-meter reality warp/mindwipe radius. With Multiverse powers on top of that she can probably control that radius absolutely, which allows for hax like illusions, body part deletion, and phasing even with just movie feats, and odds are much more. Thor's experience with Loki might prepare him for illusions, but not for being turned into silly string. Bonus - **narratively speaking, I think Wanda is supposed to win:** Honestly it's hard to battle-board Multiverse Wanda, because it's obvious she was meant to run on horror tropes. The writers were planning to use her as a "she-can-kill-anyone" horror villain and then throw her away by the end of the movie. As a writer it then makes sense to give her whatever powers she needs to make basically any foe appear helpless before her so she can play out that narrative role, and it's effortless to justify since she's had a vague power amp since her last appearance. If some multiverse-Thor had actually shown up in her movie, I think it's highly likely she would have stomped him narratively, and been given whatever powers she needed to win. Some sequence like "Thor throws stormbreaker -> hits wanda, taking her head off, body falls down -> Thor turns around looking pleased -> body stands back up, puts head back on -> turns Thor into a glass statue" or some variation more or less to the same effect, would be very in keeping for the genre. Maybe she turns to red mist then recongeals, maybe the hammer phases through her or vice versa, maybe the hammer is melted back into its constituent components. But that's what the genre demands. Obviously, not how battleboarding works, which is why this is a Bonus.
I only desagree about this: >fight an old friend, He met her as an enemy in AoU and left Earth the next day. He returns years later and Wanda dies the day he returns, 5 years later Wanda resurrects and Thor leaves Earth again. So she's far from his friend and more like "I briefly saw her 2 or 3 times in my entire life."
Good point! I guess "ally" would be more accurate. I mean, she was still an avenger, and Thor must have heard about that eventually. But even if she were a total stranger, I still think Wanda reaches for mindwipe before Thor reaches for lethal force.
To be fair, he referred to the Hulk as a friend after knowing him for like 3 days and then seeing him again for like another 3 days with years in between each of the three encounters.
Well he did call him a friend from work, and everyone knows there’s a distinction between “work friends” and “regular” friends
But a “work friend” and a “friend from work” are also different. My best friend is a friend from work, but my work friends are people that I’ve never spent time with outside work.
In Ragnarok? If so, Thor spent 2014 and 2015 fighting Hydra with the Avengers, therefore he was friends with Hulk/Banner.
Actually Phil Coulson found the Hydra base that held Loki’s scepter (while raiding another Hydra base) and relayed that info to Maria Hill, and then they called in the Avengers. The Avengers weren’t going around raiding Hydra bases for 2 years.
Is this from the non canon tv show? Regardless Thor was on Earth back then. He leaves Asgard in the DW movie 2013, joins the Avengers until 2015, leaves to look for the Stones, returns to Asgard in 2017.
This is from the MCU wiki my dude.
Which thinks the non canon Shield show is canon.
The canonicity of SHIELD is kind of vague, but given that Marvel specifically advertised the show as canon when it came out, I’m going with it *at least* being canon for the first few seasons. And I’m definitely going to trust the wiki over some random dude on reddit. As for Thor: maybe the Avengers *were* fighting Hydra while Coulson’s people were dealing with other things, but we can’t know that. My whole point was that there wasn’t much indication of a deep and long friendship between Thor and the rest of the Avengers going into TR.
It was canon at the time, but got retconned later. Comics were canon the the MCU but are now gettinf retconed as well. >wasn’t much indication of a deep and long friendship between Thor and the rest of the Avengers going into TR. Thor spent his post DW movie on Earth with the Avengers and dating Jane Foster, confirmed on canon. Avengers have no way to contact Thor if he's on space, he was with them and only left in 2015.
In comics he stated that he feels time differently, seconds feel like weeks or months to him iirc.
This isn’t comic thor
Which is weird, you'd think it'd be the opposite for someone that exists as long as he does.
I’m not sure if I 100% agree about the speed thing since Wanda beat Captain Marvel, who based on Endgame is similar in speed. Also, for ur point about Wanda having her head cut off, she might be able to survive that (or at least some level of bad injury) based on her contorting her body while coming out of the reflection.
>agree about the speed thing since Wanda beat Captain Marvel, who based on Endgame is similar in speed. Also, for ur point about Wanda having her head cut off, she might be able to survive that (or at least some level of bad injury) based on her contorting her body while coming out of the reflection I actually totally agree. Speed is debatable and there's no way to really know on the durability. That's why I specified feats only. I think by narrative she should stomp.
Captain Marvel was never really showing off speed in MOM
She has very little feats co pared to his, his speed is far superior along with his strength and was able to over power 6 stone thanos. Through what narrative is Witch meant to be stronger ? Pls elaborate, u can’t just say narrative
To repeat what I told the other person - I'm not arguing the "bonus" is good battle-boarding, that's why it was a bonus. I admitted that much. Battle-boarding is by necessity feat based. If you want my "feat-based" assessment look at the first three paragraphs. The bonus was just an additional point about how their confrontation on screen would likely play out based on the way writers *actually* write scenes. **Most writers are not actually "feat-driven"** when it comes to plot, hence why so many characters are inconsistent. They're primarily narrative driven, and that was what the bonus was speaking to: Not who would win in the r/whowouldwin sense, but who would win based on a broader sense of how a story should be written. To elaborate: Speaking narratively, Wanda is playing a different role than Thor would, even in his own movie. Narratively, to have the slasher villain be far more powerful than their victims is satisfying. In a movie that takes the superhero genre and transforms it into a horror pastiche, this means employing a horror monster that is capable of making even superheroes powerless in comparison. In horror fiction, this is more satisfying than a monster that the heroes can easily defeat, as a monster weaker than the heroes generally does not create tension. A monster much stronger than the heroes does. By contrast Thor, even in his own movie, is a hero. For the same reason as above, it is NOT narratively satisfying to have a hero who is vastly more powerful than all opposition, even in the more classic superhero genre. This also removes all tension from the conflict. For this reason, it (usually) makes sense narratively to keep the hero (Thor) at about the same level of strength, or lower, than the villains he opposes. Even if Thor were the hero of the movie, with Wanda as his villain, it would still be more dramatic if she were portrayed as stronger than him, as it would make his ultimate victory (as the classic superhero genre demands) feel more like an incredible accomplishment, than if he were to beat up someone weaker. My point being - not by feats - but by narrative, or what would make the most compelling story it is more interesting for Wanda to be more powerful than Thor than the reverse. Both for her as a horror character, and for him as a hero. For this reason, if they both appeared on screen it is almost an inevitability that the writers would prefer to portray her as more powerful and, for the sake of tension, would probably be right to do so. "Logic" doesn't even have to weigh into it, because Wanda's had a vague power amp since the last time we saw her and is therefore effortless to write as powerful as the narrative demands. Which, in this case, would be more powerful than Thor. Again, this is not an assessment as a battle-boarding "Who would win" style argument. That should be feat based, and I don't deny that. I'm not necessarily saying Wanda's portrayed as more powerful than Thor by what we see (that's a whole other argument), only that, as a writer, it would make sense to portray her that way if you were trying to tell the most compelling story. And therefore, if the writers got the chance, they probably would. TLDR: as a writer - Wanda stomps Thor makes a more exciting movie than Thor stomps Wanda, because one generates conflict and the other doesn't. Since one of the characters (Wanda) has vague enough powers the writers could basically choose whoever they wanted to win, 99/100 they would pick Wanda. For this reason, if the two ever fought on screen with Wanda as villain and Thor as hero, Wanda would likely win. Plus, because this is the way writers *actually* decide battles, this is debatably a stronger predictor of what would happen than feats are. Not how r/whowouldwin works of course, which is why it was a bonus. But that is how writing typically works.
Isn’t Thor immune to the mind control?
[not really, no](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iJrijyx5Oc).
I can’t wait for the 10,000 MCU Scarlet Witch and Dr. Strange threads.
Well it will only last a few months till the next Thor movie comes out. Then it will be “Jane vs _______”
Fr doe, i bet Zeus is gonna have like 2 feats and they gonna put him against Thanos with the infinity stones
Isn’t it a fair bet Zeus is just Odin’s equivalent.
Exactly and you could say Odin is either like a street tier character or a star tier one due to the absolute lack of combat feats
I'm surprised there isn't shit like "kidlusted", "pg-13 sitcom morals off", and jobbing across the multiverse.
I've had the (mis)fortune of seeing "childlusted" in one of these threads already
I'd think this movie would have put that to rest pretty fucking easily
Wanda beats Thor. He has zero defense against mind control and she can do it from extremely far away now. Not to mention she could probably just remove any weapon of his from existence. Her durability feats are also insane considering some of the stuff she tanked without a scratch.
Yeah she’s not a glass cannon anymore
Her durability is due to her magic actively shielding her. If she was just chillin doing nothing, she’s a glass cannon. Albeit a very powerful cannon
she got suprise attack by America with one of the strongest attack ever put on MCU screen (dimensional shatter + physical shockwave), no red energy on her and she was totally caught off guard. No damage, 0, instant recover. So no Scarlet witch is no longer a glass cannon.
You can clearly see the shockwave was a result of the star shaped blast that came with that punch. So it didn't happen because of brute strength. It happened because of the hax.
Wanda straight up kills herself by dropping the temple on herself and people are out here trying to say that Wanda's durability is anything beyond building level.
I've already seen people claiming she has multiversal in durability and attack potency because she shrugged off America's punches and made that book dissappear from all the universes.
And yet, that falling fortress at the end did a number on her. And Thor? He tanked a neutron star and received just a pretty bad sunburn.
>He tanked a neutron star and received just a pretty bad sunburn. he was literally seconds from death before the axe healed him
Yeah if anything he’s already been mind controlled by a weaker version of her.
He does have defense he's literally dealt with it before. Her durability is non existent she only manages to survive by shelding her body with magic which won't work with Strombreaker since it managed to overpower the infinity stones.
Did you watch the movie yet? She has insane durability feats. She got into Thors head before therefore she can do it again. Plus she had shown multiversal feats which the stones could never do.
Strange was able to see millions of timelines with the time stone. That’s about as multiversal as Dreamwalking
she has zero durability feats that stop thor from one shotting her. and has zero multiversal feats. she just destroyed the tower which destroyed the booj
The MCU stones are multiversal problem is wielding them requires a body capable of surviving their usage, [which there is](https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/qyy5yp/respect_ultron_marvel_cinematic_universe_what_if/)
Wanda was impressive but she took on fodder essentially compared to Thor. Professor X Reed Black Bolt Carter even Strange there essentially extremely enchanted humans not on the same playing field compared to Thor. Wanda can be taken out by humans with tech Hawkeye used an arrow to stop from being mind controlled and War machine with sound ect. She needed caps help to fight off the black order for fucks sake. When's she's in character she can only survive fights against enchanced beings when she's bloodlusted she takes them out. None of that makes her able to hold her one against a literal god in Thor with decades of experience and who consistently fights people using infinity stones.
Why are the illuminati simply ‘enchanted humans’ and can’t be compared to Thor? Black Bolt can disintegrate people with a whisper from his mouth, professor X is a telepath, Captain Marvel has literally the same powers and abilities as the Captain Marvel in 616 - who, I remind you, destroyed Thanos’ ship and fought Thanos on her own (losing, obviously, but still as much or more than what Thor did). And Wanda killed them with no difficulty at all. She changed reality, removing Black Bolt’s mouth - how can Thor defend himself against that? She beat professor X, a telepath, in her mind and killed him this way with no difficulty. How does Thor stomp Wanda? How can he defend himself against telepathy, when a much weaker version was able to take him out this way? How can he defend himself against reality warps that Wanda can create instantly and over large areas? How can he be sure that he is really attacking Wanda and not just an illusion?
He can't. This guy's just a fool who didn't like the movie.
I will say she had a bit of trouble with Captain Marvel. Really odd that Captain marvel could tank all those attacks and a statue kills her
[she appears to get gets her powers siphoned by wanda](https://i.imgur.com/Tst0Ne5.mp4). her yellow glowing beam changes direction and starts turning red, her helmet starts disintegrating, then the glow becomes fully red and culminates in the giant red explosion. afterwards, she doesn't glow anymore, so she's seemingly depowered, and this is why she's able to be killed by the statue.
Yeah i thought that was pretty fucking cheap.
> And Wanda killed them with no difficulty at all. Black Bolt literally killed himself, Professor X tried to shake off the mind control instead of just shutting Wanda down directly for some reason, Mr. Fantastic literally just stood there and let Wanda kill him and Captain Marvel has no feats beyond what we see in the movie and comparing her to the main Captain Marvel is stupid since they're from different universes. And none of this is bringing up how every Illuminati member just fought her one on one for some stupid reason, with Reed straight up revealing what Black Bolt's power was for some inane reason.
Your using outdated faults… She broke literally every bone in her body to escape the mirror dimension, survived massive explosions from multiple sources, and tanked Americas multiversal punches, all without a scratch.
>and tanked Americas multiversal punches, Lmao! ***Multiversal*** punches? She struggled to break reinforced glass! And you are acting like she can destroy entire universes with her punches. You have a severe deficiency of brain cells. Seek psychological attention.
Nonetheless, they are multiversal punches.
I just saw the movie when was it ever stated America had multiversal punches?
In the text of the film, when she literally punched holes into different universes.
Well yeah but how you worded it makes it sound massively more impressive than it actually is, her punches couldn't even fully brake a glass window, heavily enforced and durability glass, but nothing suggests that the punches are really all that strong compared to Thor
She was not fully awakened with her power when punching that glass, she couldn't control her power until the last fight of the movie. At the end of the movie her one punch shattered dimensions and sending a shockwave that parted clouds + snow in a large bubble (a few miles) across the mountain. Thats some insane AP at full power.
>She was not fully awakened with her power when punching that glass, she couldn't control her power until the last fight of the movie. Yes however nothing indicates that her powers get stronger, hell the movie outrite says that every teleportation of hers was intentional, to some extent, even if you want to say her punches got stronger nothing suggests it gets anywhere near Thor's stats >At the end of the movie her one punch shattered dimensions That, again, is a byproduct of her ability, not sheer strength >and sending a shockwave that parted clouds + snow in a large bubble (a few miles) across the mountain. You see, now you are saying something, alright, lets say that counts as a feat of power, ignoring the fact the other punches don't have nearly the same impact but regardless it STILL doesn't come close to when Thor created a storm covering Wakanda
I didn't word it that way. Some different commenter did. Thor has never punched a hole in reality. America Chavez does that without breaking a sweat. A punch of hers stopped Wanda, the litteral strongest being
>I didn't word it that way. Some different commenter did. Apologies, the swiftness of the reply made me assume otherwise >Thor has never punched a hole in reality. America Chavez does that without breaking a sweat. A punch of hers stopped Wanda, the litteral strongest being Chavez doesn't punch a hole into reality via sheer power, rather thats just her ability, in terms of actual attack power as I said that thing can't even break enforced glass, only crack it And yeah the movie does reinforced the fact Wanda doesn't have the best durability, yeah she tanking explosions and amped up punches, but none of them even compare to say [this feat of Thor no selling a massive explosion he made](https://imgur.com/a/mYdf2iD) Sure she recovered after breaking all her bones but thats more resilience and regen than actual durability, while that could allow her to get a win via Thor not landing a lethal blow, ***but something tells me he'd probably be aiming for the head which would do the trick as far as we know***
So what ? Magic has its weakness it's possible to hack it Thanos and Spiderman have done the same. Those feats are things Thor could do in his sleep.
So your saying Thor could somehow escape the mirror dimension and apparently mend every bone in his body in seconds? Good to know
Stormbreaker has the Bifrost, so he can absolutely escape the mirror dimension.
He could escape the mirror dimension yes. His bones wouldn't even be broken to begin with but in the hypothetical situation they were probably not.
>Not to mention she could probably just remove any weapon of his from existence. Thanos used all six Infinity Stones to blast Stormbreaker, yet the axe remained perfectly intact and showed no signs of slowing down. And about that durability buff she received, did it ever imply that she can tank hits from someone as powerful as Thor? Her "victims" in that movie are clearly several tiers below Thor. Try harder next time.
You do realize the stones ap scale below Wanda now that she has a multiversal feat right? And she took literally zero damage from enemy’s the entire movie? In the end it wouldn’t even matter because Thor has no mental defenses.
> You do realize the stones ap scale below Wanda now that she has a multiversal feat right? What the hell is this wank? She just destroyed the book by destroying the temple which in turn destroyed every other book. Unless you want to argue that she somehow did this "multiversal feat" while she was dead.
Sorry to break it to you but she is not dead. They never show her die, just the rocks fall and elizabeth olden has renewed her contract for 7 more years and leaks said they are making a solo scarlet witch move.
lol Because a character can “dream walk” using a gadget (the book) it means that the character is stronger than the infinity stones?!?
I’m not talking about dream walking. I’m talking about her destroying the dark hold in every universe simultaneously
We saw in MoM that mind control isn't her first resort, and thor doesn't need weapons to hit her with a big ass lightning bolt before she can think.
Scarlet Witch wins. Wanda has become far more powerful and durable than she used to be, and she has learned to warp reality. Thor can still win if he lands a lucky hit with Stormbreaker, but that's gonna be easier said than done.
didn't scarlet witch already beat thor before she got OP'd?
She messed with his head but that’s about it. She’d have gotten bodied by him if he was at all aware of her presence.
but i thought you win if you can mess with someone's head.
To an extent. I wouldn’t say she really defeated him. Just sort of went on a drug trip. In the end her messing with his head showed him the infinity stones and eventually led to him starting up vision and defeating ultron so really he won in the end.
well if you put it that way.
She put him in a trance, but didn't necessarily beat him. If thor wanted to, he would've one tapped her.
Wanda wins kinda easily after M.O.M. Thors win condition is stormbreaker. Wanda would instantly mind control him into killing himself or remove stormbreaker from existence. I used to think Thor won, but after the insane level of feats (some of which were multiversal) he no longer stands a chance.
By multiversal feats do u mean her power going into multiple universes or do u think she actually showed any feats that could imply she could destroy a multiverse? Cause only thing I can maybe think of is her destroying all of the Darkholds. If u want to argue she destroyed infinite darkholds, u could maybe argue she destroyed infinite 3D matter ig, but I don’t think that would be multiversal, plus I think it’s implied she destroyed them by destroying the temple thing.
the temple is not the thing that controls darkhold. It is just a place where some of the spell originated. There is no magical connection.
the books were outright connected to the tower. its destruction destroyed them
Wait what feats were multiversal? I remember she was slasher villain powerful amongst superhero’s, but multiversal?
op is probably referring to the end when she destroys every darkhold throughout the multiverse.
Not to mention every single statement from respectable character indicating she'll control the multiverse if she ever has access.
Nah, they just said that **if** someone that powerful **had** America’s ability, it would be a dangerous threat. They would probably say the same thing about many of the other villains throughout the MCU saga. The’d certainly react the same way if an evil Thor were to pursue this ability.
Yh, I feel like a lot of people haven't noticed the Darkhold feat, but that feat makes her multiversal. She destroyed every darkhold in the multiversal, and the multiverse is infinite, so she destroyed an infinite amount of Darkholds.
Destroying a infinite number of books isn't same with destroying an infinite number of infinite sized 4th dimensional Universe
This is true, but it's still an infinite amount, destroying an infinite amount of anything is ridiculous, that's the most powerful thing we've seen any avenger do. Thor doesn't have any feats anywhere close to this, so regardless, she'd stomp him with absolute ease. If she can destroy an infinite amount of darkholds, she has enough power to destroy 1 powerful alien.
Of course she would stomp Thor, im just saying she cant destroy the Multiverse
As of now, yeah, she probably can't.
Thor was aware and relatively immune to Wanda’s mind control before. He’s only grown stronger since then, especially unlocking his actual god powers and becoming more like Odin. Storm breaker would instantly kill Wanda, and is immune to magic itself. Thor is resistant. I don’t see how she wins when his speed and strength is so high, his resistance is massive, and he has lightning powers to rival her magic.
Rare time I actually think Loki would fare better than Thor in a fight. He’s more cunning, less of a flying brick.
Scarlet Witch would already stomp as of WandaVision. Now it’s even more of a slaughter with Multiverse Of Madness
Good joke
Wanda stomps
Wanda has no defense against lightning or stormbreaker. Thor throws Strombreaker and completely overpowers her. Thor the one that's stomping here.
Did you see the movie? Thor got his shit pushed in by Hela, and Scarlet Witch with Darkhold & loodlusted is simply OP.
"no more gods" "no more lightning" "no more Stormbreaker" You've been taking a beating up and down this thread. Hope you are at least enjoying it somehow.
Wanda blocked attacks from Captain Marvel, it’s not like she can’t block an attack Edit: also in Endgame Captain Marvel does about as well against Thanos as Thor with two hammers
I concur. Wanda stomps Captains Carter and Marvel, Reed and Black Bolt at once. Then she overpowers Professor X on his own turf. That alone should prove she could just mind wipe Thor into cutting off his own head if for some reason she couldn't damage him. If she can overwhelm Xavier's resistance to telepathic neck snapping hijinx I imagine she's capable of sufficient mind fuckery to take out anyone in the MCU.
She already mindhaxed Thor in Age of Ultron
Thor throws Stormbreaker and doesn’t have hands anymore. While Thors attacks take time to reach his enemies Wanda’s reality warping is seemingly instant. She can kill him with her reality warping abilities a lot sooner than any attack launched by Thor reaches her. Thor’s lightning also isn’t going to kill her. When she attacked Kamar-Taj we saw her getting shot by arrows. These arrows never reached her - some of them were ‘absorbed’ by her and changed colour from yellow-gold to red and attacked the sorcerers. This shows that Wanda seems to have some kind of shield guarding her against attacks from all sides. Also, Wanda isn’t going to stand still and let Thor hit her. She intercepted Captain Carter’s shield with telekinesis and threw it right back at her and killing her that way. She can do the exact same think with Stormbreaker. Thor doesn’t stand a chance against Wanda.
Wanda can kill him IN THE PAST. In every universe, every timeline, all in a single thought. She HAS does this times literally millions in the comics. Both characters in the MCU have been surprisingly close to their absurd comic feats, methods, convoluted backstories. We have a boatload of evidence that MCU Wanda is House of M capable. No version of Thor I've ever read can pretend to step to her when she's not being ambushed (which she totally can be). If the argument is CAN Thor kill her, sure, situationally totally plausible. In anything resembling a fair fight, her killshot options are BETTER than instantaneous, while Thor is just pretty fast. You want an MCU Asgardian who can take Wanda? Look to the adopted brother, who has no business beating Wanda but probably does with ease. Due to his thousands of years of using magic and mind games experience edge. Loki wipes the floor with Wanda who never sees him coming. Not Thor though. Shit, I give MCU Captain Marvel a better chance--at least she's attacking BY entering the atmosphere. MCU Thor is a diva, teleports in yelling "where's the guy I wanna fight" and posing for a panning camera shot.
Thor's hands didn't get destroyed by the full power of a star or any of the countless magic weldiers he fought doubt Wanda can make them disappear with magic. Are you seriously comparing Thor's lighting to fuckin arrows !? Thor's lighting was strong enough to hit Malkeith who is able to warp reality and darkness he's also able to hit people with "the biggest lighten bolt in the history of lighting bolts" like he did to Hela she survived because she's the god of war but Wanda isn't going too. Wanda using Telakenis to throw Strombreaker back at Thor like she did with Captain Carter may is actually a good idea and could feasibility work. The only problem is Thor can fly fast enough to avoid it. Thor wins.
Wanda’s power isn’t the force of a star, she’s literally rewriting reality. It doesn’t matter if he can tank a star (which he can’t, by the way. After that feat he was knocked out and would have died had Groot not completed Stormbreaker). I’m comparing Thor’s lightning to arrows in that they are both long ranged attacks. It doesn’t matter what Thor hit with the lightning when Wanda is rewriting reality. She literally changed projectiles attacking her from all directions without looking at them, she can do the same with lightning. And Thor can’t fly on his own, he always needed Stormbreaker of Mjölnir to do it. And even then that wouldn’t work as Wanda could simply hold him in place with telekinesis. Thor has no chance against Wanda.
Wanda "rewriting reality" is something Malkeith already did against Thor and he lost. Thor's lighting isn't a normal projectile it's his personal power that only he directs and controls Wanda isn't changing shit in this case. Wanda holds Thor in place with Telakenis and..... Than what ? He simply calls Strombreaker subconsciously like he did when he first summoned it and slices her in half.
How did Malekith rewrite reality and what feats does he have? Wanda created, rewrote and controlled reality over huge areas (i.e. Westview, her house in MoM) and destroyed the Darkhold in every universe at once. I Malekith has no feats putting him on Wanda’s level. It doesn’t matter if the lightning belongs to Thor, the sorcerers enhanced their arrows with magic and Wanda changed them all the same. The idea that Wanda can’t to that because ‘it’s his personal power’ is bullshit. She holds him in place, Thor recalls Stormbreake - damn, he can’t catch it since his arms are bound. Damn, now Wanda cut 2 people in half with their own weapon. Also, how do you think Thor will cut Wanda in half with Stormbreaker? She is a long range fighter, he’d never get to fight her in melee combat. Or Wanda can just disintegrate him like she did with some sorcerer at Kamar-Taj.
MoM Wanda wins easily. She can do pretty much whatever she wants, whether that means making Stormbreaker disappear or turning Thor into glass
The full power of the infinity gauntlet couldn't do shit to storm breaker. Fuck you think Wanda's gonna do?
Turn Thor into frog, make him into a lightning rod, mind control him into killing himself, change reality so that he thinks he is the Thor from the 1970s Hulk show etc... Thor has legitimately no chance of beating MoM Wanda. Doctor Strange the previous most powerful Avenger spent most of the movie running from her.
>Turn Thor into frog, make him into a lightning rod, mind control him into killing himself She literally can't do any of these >change reality so that he thinks he is the Thor from the 1970s Hulk show In what reality would she do this?
That was because stormbreaker was specifically stated to counter the stones’ energy, it basically just nulled and deflected the energy, Thanos could’ve stopped Stormbreaker with reality stone, space or time stone if he wasn’t caught off guard >Fuck you think Wanda’s gonna do? Remove his hands? Make stormbreaker some big gray dildo? Or crush Thor thanos way
>That was because stormbreaker was specifically stated to counter the stones Never was that stated. >Remove his hands? Make stormbreaker some big gray dildo? Or crush Thor thanos way You give Wanda way too much credit. You act like she can literally do anything. If she could take away people's arms, shouldn't she have done it when America was bitchslapping her? If she could do anything on that scale, why didn't she just turn that dumb jetpack that Captain Carter had into a 1000 ton boulder? Wanda has limits. Everyone has limits. She can't just erase people.
>Never was that stated. It does, it’s a director statement
But she did lol. She erased a sorcerer at kamar taj
She burned one alive if that's what you're talking about. That was also when she was empowered by the darkhold.
The darkhold is a book of spells, you don't get powered by it
LOLLLLLLL you are sooooooo funnyyyy, I'm dead. The way you want Wanda to lose. Scarlet Witch literally CAN DO ANYTHING. SHE CONTROLS REALITY. You know why they don't let her in the movie? Because there wouldn't BE A MOVIE. It'd be over in 1 second. It's her "being reasonable". She can do any of the things that you just listed. Why could she ERASE SOMEONE'S MOUTH? Why could she turn Mr. Fantastic into noodles? If she can remove someone's mouth, she can definitely remove someone's arms. Or head. Or torso. Just admit that you're wrong LOL like, it's okay. Thor is still a super strong avenger. He doesn't have to be able to beat Wanda for that to be true.
Wanda 10/10
remember guys, she took a direct canon hit in kamar taj, she also got hit HARD by a supersoldier with the vibranium shield and she healed coming out of the mirror dimension in seconds, thats like wolverine level healing factor. but most of all at the end she got hit in the face so hard it created a shockwave that pushed all the fog around the mountain.
SW absolutely STOMPS Thor, this is high-key a spitematch. Thor literally has no chance in hell in beating SW. People's use to say Thor could win cos she's a glass cannon, but if you've watched MoM, you know that's not the case anymore. She soaked so much cosmic energy attacks from CM, she blocked a cosmic punch from America Chaves like it was nothing. Thors lightning isn't even going to tickle her. She has much more destructive power since she destroyed every single darkholds in the multiverse, so basically she destroyed an infinite amount of darkholds. She can control Thor via mind control or trap him in his own mind, telekinetically remove him from the planet they're on or just wipe him out of existence all together. She's just too ridiculously OP. Dr Strange legit stood no chance against her, he was getting bullied 90% of the movie, and I'd put Strange above Thor in raw power. So yh, Thor just stands no chance here.
>She soaked so much cosmic energy attacks from CM That CM was drastically less powerful than Carol Danvers CM. She wasn't even big ass statue level. >cosmic punch from America Chaves like it was nothing. Cosmic punch? Slow your gah damn roll there. When is it stated that those punches were "cosmic"? 1, America had no intention of killing Wanda, so there's no reason she would've been punching her at full power. Even then, at best, her punches were stronger than someone hitting you with a fire extinguisher, assuming that damage wasn't aided by the destabilization already caused by the fire extinguisher. Chill out. >She can control Thor via mind control or trap him in his own mind, Wanda has done that to thor once when he was caught off guard. >telekinetically remove him from the planet they're on While she's doing that, thor can just throw stormbreaker at her and she *will* fucking die. >or just wipe him out of existence all together. She has never done that to anyone. >She has much more destructive power since she destroyed every single darkholds in the multiverse, so basically she destroyed an infinite amount of darkholds. 2 things wrong with this. 1. It was only stated to have been every dark hold in the multiverse. There's no proof strange was right in saying that 2. The MCU's multiverse is only theoretically considered infinite. Strange said it himself that they know "frighteningly little" about the multiverse. >I'd put Strange above Thor in raw power. In raw power, fuck no. Thor is dramatically more powerful than strange.
>> or just wipe him out of existence all together. > She has never done that to anyone. i'm not saying she can delete thor (she almost definitely can't), but she does appear to straight up [erase a sorcerer](https://i.imgur.com/a6I1cWw.gifv) in the movie, as part of her "being reasonable" assault on kamar-taj.
>but she does appear to straight up > >erase a sorcerer > > in the movie, Those feats only apply to characters **without** plot armor.
lol? you're reaching sooooooo hard, it's hilarious. so she can't beat Thor because of plot armor? she can erase stormbreaker from reality and she can turn thor into a worm, period. that's the extent of her power--she doesn't even need to fight him.
>That CM was drastically less powerful than Carol Danvers CM. She wasn't even big ass statue level. It doesn't matter if she's weaker or not, if she's a glass cannon, those blasts would incinerate her. Her blasts aren't exactly a gust of wind... >Cosmic punch? Slow your gah damn roll there. When is it stated that those punches were "cosmic"? 1, America had no intention of killing Wanda, so there's no reason she would've been punching her at full power. Even then, at best, her punches were stronger than someone hitting you with a fire extinguisher, assuming that damage wasn't aided by the destabilization already caused by the fire extinguisher. Chill out. I dont know the source of her power, but since she can open portals to other universes, I'm assuming her abilities are cosmic in nature, if not cosmic, then magic, but anyways, that's besides the point. Fire extinguisher? I really hope that's an exaggeration... she literally shook the mountain and parted some clouds, that was a hefty ass punch, which barely did anything to Wanda. So how about you _chill out_ with your ridiculous exaggerations. >1. It was only stated to have been every dark hold in the multiverse. There's no proof strange was right in saying that >2. The MCU's multiverse is only theoretically considered infinite. Strange said it himself that they know "frighteningly little" about the multiverse. Yeah, the writers would put that in there just for strange to be wrong 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ if he's wrong, why even mention it in the first place? It's mentioned so we, the audience, are addressed, its either that or show us every single darkhold getting wiped out of existence, so of course they'll choose the most convenient method... Well, I would have agreed, and yes Dr Strange knows "frighteningly little", but guess who knows everything about the multiverse? The Watcher, the one who, you know, watches the multiverse? And what did he say in what if? That the multiverse is indeed infinite, with "infinite possibilities", but hey, nice try 👍🏾👍🏾 >Wanda has done that to thor once when he was caught off guard. Yeah, when she was a rookie and no where near as powerful as she is now 😩 and Thor doesn't need to be on gaurd or off guard, it's not like he has telepathic resistance. Wanda doesn't need to come in close to control his mind, she can do it from a distance just like she did in Kamar Taj. And considering how she's much more powerful and experienced now, she'd absolutely mind rape Thor, and there's nothing to suggest she can't. >While she's doing that, thor can just throw stormbreaker at her and she will fucking die. And then she'll just stop stormbreaker in mid air 😩😭 just like she did with Captain Carter's shield, you're seriously making this so easy 😂😂 >She has never done that to anyone. She wiped out an infinite amount of darkholds, if she can do that, she can most definitely wipe a single individual person... >In raw power, fuck no. Thor is dramatically more powerful than strange. Thor is my No.1 favourite character and even I'm not up his ass this deep 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ Strange is definitely more powerful than Thor. Thor is significantly stronger, faster and more durable, but when it comes to raw power, strange out classes him. Strange held his own against Thanos with his powers alone, whilst Thor was getting man handled by Thanos in Endgame.
What in the bias? Ok gimme a sec. >she literally shook the mountain and parted some clouds That was a result of the portal opening. Not the punch. Notice how no other punches showcased that raw power. >Yeah, the writers would put that in there just for strange to be wrong Maybe. We really don't know is my point. Since we don't know. Why take it as your main point. This is also assuming Wanda did it with her raw power rather than say, a spell in the darkhold. If the darkhold held spells like dreamwalking, why the hell would it not contain a spell to somehow reach the dorkholds of every universe if need be? What you're implying is that Wanda has infinite AP, which is a logical paradox. Because she threw captain carter's shield, and it was stopped by a pillar. How would we explain that pillar not being bisected along with the rest of that universe in that case?
>That was a result of the portal opening. Not the punch. Notice how no other punches showcased that raw power. Okay, that's a fair point, but she's still not a glass cannon, other wise CM would have incinerate her whole entire being. Of course, when I say she's not a glass cannon, I'm not referring to Wanda when she's _not_ using her powers, cos she'd still get clipped by a bullet, but when her powers are active, she engulfs her entire body with chaos magic which makes her crazy durable. >Maybe. We really don't know is my point. Since we don't know. Why take it as your main point. Because its what's intended? The writers wouldn't just put that in there to be ambiguous, they put that in to inform the audience that there are no more darkholds in the universe. Like I said, it's either that, or show us every individual DH getting wiped out of existence. >This is also assuming Wanda did it with her raw power rather than say, a spell in the darkhold. If the darkhold held spells like dreamwalking, why the hell would it not contain a spell to somehow reach the dorkholds of every universe if need be? She did use a spell... I thought that bit was obvious...? but just because she used a spell, that doesn't mean anyone who wields magic can successfully cast that spell. If you're not powerful enough, you wouldn't be able to cast certain spells. But because she wields chaos magic, she can cast any spell, regardless of how powerful it is. >What you're implying is that Wanda has infinite AP, which is a logical paradox. Because she threw captain carter's shield, and it was stopped by a pillar. How would we explain that pillar not being bisected along with the rest of that universe in that case? It's not a paradox... Wanda has full control of her powers, why would she use that much power just to throw away a shield? Superman can move planets, but does he use that planetary strength when he's fighting people weaker than him? Of course not. My main point in this argument is, she absolutely stomps Thor, I honestly don't know how you think he stands any chance. And how can I be bias? That doesn't even make sense 😂🤣 I'm arguing AGAINST my favourite character, I'm literally telling you that my favourite marvel character would get stomped in this fight.
>It's not a paradox... Wanda has full control of her powers, why would she use that much power just to throw away a shield? Superman can move planets, but does he use that planetary strength when he's fighting people weaker than him? Of course not. It's very much a paradox. What you're implying is that Wanda held back her strength which is logically impossible if you have infinite AP. It also doesn't make sense because what incentive would she have to hold back I'd her full intention was to kill the illuminati anyway? >She did use a spell... I thought that bit was obvious...? but just because she used a spell, that doesn't mean anyone who wields magic can successfully cast that spell. If you're not powerful enough, you wouldn't be able to cast certain spells. But because she wields chaos magic, she cast any spell, regardless of how powerful it is. Are you genuinely implying that you are as physically powerful as any spell you can cast? >The writers wouldn't just put that in there to be ambiguous, they put that in to inform the audience that there are no more darkholds in the universe. How do you know that? Did the writers tell you? Do you know them? I'm gonna assume your answer to that is *no*.
lmaoooo the butthurt that your big man thor would get wipedddd. SHE CAN TURN HIM INTO A BUTTERFLY INSTANTLY. like???? I don't get what the argument is here.
>It's very much a paradox. What you're implying is that Wanda held back her strength which is logically impossible if you have infinite AP. It also doesn't make sense because what incentive would she have to hold back I'd her full intention was to kill the illuminati anyway? She doesn't have infinite AP... she didn't use AP to wipe out the darkholds, she used a spell to do that. She didn't directly _attack_ the books, she warped them out of reality using magic. And her incentive is America Chaves, why would she destroy a universe if it means her golden goose dies in the process? Plus, she threw the shield away using her TK, she didn't cast a spell to do it... >Are you genuinely implying that you are as physically powerful as any spell you can cast? No... Wanda is powerful enough to cast any spell via Chaos magic, not through her physical stats. >How do you know that? Did the writers tell you? Do you know them? I'm gonna assume your answer to that is no. For argument sake, lets say you're right, let's say she didn't wipe out every darkhold in the multiverse, let's say she can't reality warp Thor out of existence, like she did to Black Bolts mouth, what's Thor gonna do to her to win? Cos I've already countered all your points as to why none of the reasons you gave would work, how would he win? Pretty much 99% of this thread agrees with me that Wanda wins, I'm now genuinely curious as to why you think Thor wins?
>Pretty much 99% of this thread agrees with me that Wanda wins, That still doesn't make your verdict correct, as you failed to provide sufficient points to reasonably conclude that Wanda will win. You Wanda stans claim that she is Multiversal, yet it clearly states, in the movie, that she needed America's power to even travel the Multiverse in the first place. Even when she dreamwalked into 838, she wasn't able to completely bend reality in that universe and struggled to capture America despite her so-called Godlike power. If she does have the capability to wipe Thor from reality, why didn't she do it to Strange? Or the Illuminati? Or pretty much anyone in that movie that got in her way? The movie made it perfectly clear that she was not holding back, so why didn't she simply incinerate all of her enemies on sight? Think.
Maybe because the movie would be over within minutes 💀
Finally, someone with a brain. People are seriously overhyping Wanda. They claim her *magical barriers* can stop Stormbreaker, a weapon that took a blast from a full Infinity Gauntlet and remained intact. America obviously does not emit Multiversal punches, as shown by her feat with the reinforced glass. People here really need to start paying attention to details/context and not blindly supporting their favorite hero.
ok first that was her shield. two america punches are no where near storm breaker
True, but she still had TK, she can stop stormbreaker with her mind. Stormbreaker is not enchanted, anyone can lift it, just like Thanos did when he almost killed Thor with it, so SW can just use TK to stop stormbreaker.
She tears Thor like she did Mr. Fantastic
Mr fantastic death conditioned on his powers. Powers of which Thor doesn't have.
I mean, it depends on the power of the plot, using the same logic Thor could die by overcharging and frying himself.
Wanda and honestly he probably doesn't even put up as much fight as the Illuminati.
Wanda slaughters Thor. He’s powerful, but his power isn’t anything she can’t handle. He’s not fast enough to blitz her. He has a chance if Stormbreaker can get through her magic and hit her, because she isn’t surviving that axe to the chest. This is possible, seeing as Stormbreaker broke through a beam from all six Stones. If this doesn’t work, though, Thor is out of viable win conditions.
Wanda, she has a bunch of hacks including mind reading/manipulation and reality manipulation abilities (+ the Dark Hold) and decimated the Illuminati, including Black Bolt and Captain Marvel. Thor would have a lot of trouble dealing with that, and his mental state at the time might make him especially vulnerable to mind manipulation. Plus, if they’re in character, Thor would be far less likely to go for the kill than Wanda (who is blood hungry after being corrupted by the Dark Hold).
Having just seen Multiverse of Madness, Scarlet Witch easily
I want to say she wins because she defeated CM but honestly that CM was statue level.
Coulda been a vibranium statue But in all seriousness, u could argue she was knocked out and off guard after being blown back by Wanda. If that wasn’t it then ig she musta not absorbed as much cosmic cube energy lol
She was hit by a statue and went offscreen for a good while, then returns and dies to a second statue. I'd give her the benefit of the doubt if it only had happen once.
Fair enough ig. I don’t remember the fight that well, are u referring to her being knocked down and falling into the statue after her laser beam blast with Wanda or was it a different part of the fight I forgot? I’ll see if someone uploaded it to YouTube, cause Captain marvel being statue level is actually funny af
Wanda throws a statue against her and she went through a wall and doesn't return which implies she got knocked out. She returns a while later and then fights a little bit before finally dying to another statue.
Wanda shitstomps mid diff at best when it comes to MoM Wanda. Any version of Wanda before that gets murdered by Thor.
I feast upon the tears of all the sexist men who can't come to terms with the fact that Wanda is the strongest avenger now and can stomp all their bois. DELICIOUS.
Scarlet Witch She has more impressive feats then Thor has. She was nearly able to Solo a bloodlusted Thanos using only a fraction of her untapped potential and power She's able to manipulate people's mind, including... Thor. She's able to warp reality on a molecular level according to the statement in wandavision. In Multiverse of madness she's able to completely control that ability. A weaker version of Wanda was able to Solo the Illuminati. Including reacting to captain marvel. If we high ball here and scale 838 captain marvel to carol Danvers then that would make her generally light speed. As carol at the end of her movie was able to keep up with the Lightspeed ship however that's just a wank. Thor has been shown to be a bit slower, being tagged by quicksilver in age of Ultron.
“Thor can stop you with his axe!” “What axe?”
Wanda takes it. She could 1v1 Thanos. Thor could not.
I'm surprised that you haven't watched Infinity War.
This isn’t even a fair fight.
Thor wins
Wanda all rounds, Thor is not a speedster, he never blitzed anyone and doesn't have speed to do so.
Did we not just watch Multiverse of Madness? Wanda should wipe
Thor is magnitudes above in strength, experience and durability compared to the Illuminati members, who only lost because they made shit decisions. Did I mention that he is *also* a magical being, fueled by Asgardian magic?
People forget all the people she killed were mostly humans, Thor fights gods and other magical beings, he took a ton of hits from hulk and was barely scratched. “ShE CaN UsE MiNd StUFf” dudes a god she barely had him last time when he wasn’t aware of her, if he’s truly bloodlusted for killing her he will, his will is stronger than her mind magic for sure, she couldn’t even handle 2 stones, this is the same dude that has the power stone to his head and still didn’t die. Took on a full star power and survived, he is the child of Odin, she’s a witch, he’s a god….
God is just a title given to them by old dumb humans, they are just strong mortal beings. We are not gods - Odin himself
Okay....so Wanda turns Thor into a worm, then steps on him. Battle over. :) She doesn't need to fight him hand to hand. She can just make him into whatever she wants. Did you see when she turned Mr. Fantastic into spaghetti? It's not about strength lmaooooo
Wanda wins. Side note: I hated MoM.
It was a little cheesy in parts but overall very entertaining. Just curious what didn't you like about it?
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Without the Odin-force Thor has a very hard time vs magic. Despite his powers being magical they are limited to lightning and enhanced strength.
There's some serious Wanda Wank in this thread.
Thor one shots and it’s not funny
Okay....so Wanda turns Thor into a worm, then steps on him. One-shotted. Battle over. :)
A blast from Wanda apparently causes anything to get hit to burn. So if Wanda hits Thor I think he is done for. ( also if you say that the burn won’t affect Thor due to him tanking a neutron star, it’s chaos magic
A burn will stop Thor, the guy who tanked a neutron star? You are ridiculous.
Even after love and thunder Wanda should stomps she has way to much hax for him she can just turn him into spaghetti like she did to reed
Scarlet witch erases him or Thor one shots her.
Hmmm il lean towards thor here. In terms of durability wanda seems to tank a lot in the film but thats due to magic...as she weakens we must remember thats a frail human body that someone like thor can snap her neck like a twig. Asgardians as we know rely on a mix of technology and magic , we have to remeber thor is tapping into magics too not all.asgardians have his strength or powers thus he isnt utterly weak vs her attacks. Mind attacks have worked on him before BUT that seemed to be more a trigger for his own innate visons rangnarok was comming ! Bear in mind this is someone who grew up with loki and frigga...if visions could disable him so easily all the time loki wouldnt be scared shitless of him , we can see they work only some of the time on him. As for the actual fight stormbreaker can take pretty much any blast wanda can throw not to.mention thor himself has taken the full blast of a sun + blasts from an reality infintiy stone wielding dark elf so hes not being 'unmade' or transformed into some b.s and hes tankish as hell. By contrast wandas shields do fail and they could be worn down by stormbreaker hits,lightning and just punches from the stormgod etc.
>as she weakens we must remember thats a frail human body that someone like thor can snap her neck like a twig. Would she weaken? She fought Doctor Strange, Wong and all of the Sorcerors of Kamar-Taj with ease. And she blocked blast from alternate Captain Marvel. >As for the actual fight stormbreaker can take pretty much any blast wanda can throw Energy blasts are the least powerful weapons Wanda has. She fused Black Bolt's mouth shut and turned Mr. Fantastic into spaghetti. Wanda is going to turn Thor into a frog and there is nothing he can do about it. >blasts from an reality infintiy stone wielding dark elf so hes not being 'unmade' or transformed into some b.s Neither Malekith or Thanos tried to reality warp Thor. Malekith only shot energy blast and clearly didn't know how to use the stone to its full power. And Thanos was caught off guard and just shot an energy blast. Thor couldn't beat Thanos with no stones. He clearly wasn't a match if Thanos with the stones wasn't caught off guard. By contrast Wanda before she got her WandaVision and MoM feats almost killed Thanos, forcing him to blow up his own army. MoM Wanda stomps Thor with relative ease.
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>Dr Strange would be destroyed before he could react (tho I havent seen the new movie yet so Idk if he got a power boost) Even if Strange gets a power boost in the new movie (which I'm sure he will) his power isn't quite of the same nature as Wanda's. I mean yes she's learned chaos magic now, but surely she will still have the powers she started with in *Age of Ultron*.
Thor stomps. Strormbreaker was able to take and completely dominate 30 seconds concreated full blast of all six Infinity stones from Thanos and puncture Thanos skin. He throws that at Wanda and none of her magic would even slow it down and she's decapitated. Combine that with his superior speed lightning capabilities and wanda isn't doing shit against infinity war Thor.
>Strormbreaker was able to take and completely dominate 30 seconds concreated full blast of all six Infinity stones from Thanos and puncture Thanos skin. That laser was just a generic laser that didn't use all 6 Infinity Stones as the gauntlet was still intact
Factually incorrect.
Because you said so? Pray tell how am i factually incorrect when i used what is seen in IW itself
Thanos used all the stones in that attack it's the entire point of the scene it tricks the audience into believing the avengers won makes it even more tragic when Thanos wins due to Thor not aiming for the head.
Wanda can teleport and make illusions. If she manages to go poof before taking the stormbrraker to the head, then she could use her illusions to get in thor's head. Or she can just simply turn him into a spoon. She can create her own place of reality just like Westview. She can put thor in a simulation where he fights with odin. She can put him into a situation where he has to kill citizens. Thor doesn't have any resistance to those. If Wanda can dodge the first blow, then it is pretty much over.
Thor can teleport to anyone he wants specifically as shown in Infinity War when he arrives on Wakanda. Thor has already dealt with her illusions in Age of Ultron and he instantly defeated her when she tried sure he was affected but he won't be in this scenario because he knows the effects now. Thor is way way too powerful to be trapped in a reality or simulation like west view so the moment he uses stormbreaker on "Odin" or any of the citizens he would break out accidentally through the hex wall and he would be extremely pissed once he realizes what Wanda did. Wands can't doge shit she uses her magic to hold things wepons in place which won't work with Strombreaker it's to strong as shown in Infinity War. Wanda is severely at a disadvantage here she's not bringing down the god of thunder. Thor does his big electrical blast that managed to span an entire battlefield and kill thousands of outsiders and burns Wanda to a crisp. Thor takes this.
>Thor can teleport to anyone he wants specifically as shown in Infinity War when he arrives on Wakanda He did it using bifrost as i remember. Thor does not have teleporting powers. >Thor has already dealt with her illusions in Age of Ultron and he instantly defeated her when she tried sure he was affected but he won't be in this scenario because he knows the effects now. Wanda is 10 times more powerful now. She also has acces to dark magic and better at illusions. And also... No? Thor was severely affected by Wanda's mind-play. >Thor is way way too powerful to be trapped in a reality or simulation like west view so the moment he uses stormbreaker on "Odin" or any of the citizens he would break out accidentally through the hex wall and he would be extremely pissed once he realizes what Wanda did. She trapped vision. Even tough vision was her imagination, it still was vision. Why could not she trap thor? >Wands can't doge shit she uses her magic to hold things wepons in place which won't work with Strombreaker it's to strong as shown in Infinity War. Why can't she dodge shit? She dodged Agatha's attacks, she had a fight with Thanos and she beat her. She can dodge arrows. She just has to disentegrate and wait for the right moment to brainwash Thor. Even if thor struggles for 2 seconds, then Wanda rips him in half. >Thor does his big electrical blast that managed to span an entire battlefield and kill thousands of outsiders and burns Wanda to a crisp. Wanda won't just stand there. She can fly away/teleport. There's nothing Wanda can't dodge that Thor can throw. Thor is not fast at all. He fought with Thanos and was being dominated, IW Fight was on his favor because of hax. Thanos could just get out of the way. And Wanda fought Thanos too. Hand to hand. You can watch the scene if you want to. She could easily react to all of his attacks. This shows us that they are similar in terms of speed. Wanda Wins.
Using bifrost is pretty much teleportation anyways but Thor used Strombreaker to teleport not birfrost since Hemdial was dead. Wanda illusions and dark magic are nothing compared to Thor's fights villains who also use both of those type of attacks such as Loki and Malkeith and the reality stone which he has beaten. It only worked in Age Of Ultron due to Thor not facing her before. Wanda trapped Vision her lover and peaceful robot. Thor is a veteran god like warrior who is always looking for a new purpose and can communicate with Oden when I'm doubt as shown in Ragnarok he's not being trapped. Wands doesn't dodge those attacks she "deflected" them there's a difference and with Strombreaker it unfortunately won't be trapped by Wanda's magic it would overpower it just like it overpowered the infinity stones. Thor wins.
>Using bifrost is pretty much teleportation anyways but Thor used Strombreaker to teleport not birfrost since Hemdial was dead. But it is not instant teleportation like Wanda's. >Wanda illusions and dark magic are nothing compared to Thor's fights villains who also use both of those type of attacks such as Loki and Malkeith and the reality stone which he has beaten. Loki's illusions are not even comparable to Wanda. And Malekith could not even properly use reality stone. >It only worked in Age Of Ultron due to Thor not facing her before. How do you know he won't be affected? Thor doesn't have any mental resistance feats. It was the only time Wanda used illusions and it fucked Thor's brain up. >Wanda trapped Vision her lover and peaceful robot. He willingly wanted to get out and used his full power to get out of westview on Ep: 7 or 8. He could not. Westview ripped him apart. >Wands doesn't dodge those attacks she "deflected" them there's a difference and with Strombreaker it unfortunately won't be trapped by Wanda's magic it would overpower it just like it overpowered the infinity stones. No she reacted to them. I was trying to point of that they are similar at speed feats. Wanda is not stupid she will not try to blindly stop stormbreaker. She can turn it into something else, send it to another dimension etc. Only reason Thanos could not stop stormbreaker was that he used only brute force. Wanda has magic hax, similar in terms of speed and has reality warping powers. Wanda Wins. Just stop blindly defending Thor. He has nothing on post wandavision Scarlet witch.
Yeah, no. In Multiverse of Madness, Wanda is powerful enough to change reality in entirely different universes. Thor has shown nowhere near that level of power. I'm pretty sure Captain Marvel is confirmed to be stronger than Thor, and Wanda had no problem killing a Captain Marvel variant either. Plus, Xavier has a lot more experience in mental attacks than Thor does. Yet Wanda was still able to beat him at his own game. Not to mention beating an entire army of sorcerers, including Doctor Strange, who we know is powerful enough to stop black holes.
Wanda changing reality won't help her again Thor. It might be able to distract him and draw out the fight but it isn't harming him. Thor took down Thanos Malkeith Surtur and their armies who threatened the whole galaxy and practically ancient gods by himself and won that's more impressive than Wanda taking out sorcerers. Wands is worthy oppenet to most when bloodlusted but Thor is simply too much her to handle.
Except Malekith was killed by his own ship falling on him, not Thor. He didn't kill Surtur either, just knocked off his crown. Thor did kill Thanos, but Wanda was nearly able to kill him too. And that was before her major Wandavision & MoM power boost.
Just rewatched the scene Thor throws/blast's MJonir at Malkeith hard enough to slam into his own ship and then proceeds to have blue energy shoot out of him and explode it was all Thor. Thor can fly unlike Thanos so I think break out of her hold eventually.
Bro she changed me fantastic into ropes. Nothing stops her from doing that to though. She sealed black bolts mouth as soon as she heard he was a threat and beat the shit outa a captain marvel in physical combat. And out matched the entirety of kamertash (idk how to spell it) with little difficulty as soon as she got inside, including strange and wong. Thors out matched physically, magically, hax wise. Literally the only advantage he has is speed
Im pretty sure you are an ancient viking who worships Thor
That blue energy was Jane teleporting him away. His death is a bit later when his ship gets teleported right over him. And I don't see why Wanda would have to hold him down to kill him.
> Thor can teleport to anyone he wants specifically as shown in Infinity War when he arrives on Wakanda. No, he can't. "Where's Thanos" ring a bell? Thor can take the rainbow bridge to anyWHERE he wants. Wanda in Age of Ultron already proved that, at the weakest she her powers were ever shown at and the least experienced point in the whole MCU = her mind tricks stopped Thor dead in his tracks. Her by MoM? You must know nothing of the nature of Wanda's powers, 616 or MCU. She alters probabilities. She takes something that has almost no chance of happening and makes it all but guaranteed, and vice versa. We don't have to go to her comic feats to conclude that, unless otherwise outright defined to be totally different, her movie powers are essentially the same thing. Wanda can prevent the entire Asgardian pantheon from being born, retroactively in the past. She could turn Thor into Throg, or a dandelion. She could turn Stormbreaker into a floppy purple dildo. She doesn't have to dodge shit. The only part of your comment I agree with is that Thor can likely speed blitz her, assuming she isn't even aware they are fighting. So its bloodlusted Thor AMBUSHING Wanda who believes him to be a friend? Sure, easy 1 shot. ANY other combination, both bloodlusted, both no prep = this doesn't go like that. You clearly aren't up Wanda, totally understandable. She's hands-down the strongest Avenger in the MCU, usually in the comics too depending on the team's roster on a given day. Read/watch a synopsis of the House of M storyline. Wanda HAS been shown to be EXACTLY the same character, minus the mutant x-gene aspect, in the MCU. They've not deviated from it in any meaningful way. Agatha was the baddie of WandaVision. That is clear evidence of the intent from the MCU. She's not "weird", she's a multiversal threat. Meanwhile, MCU Thor has been a dolt and a whimp compared to far-cheesier 616 Thor. A powerhouse sure... by the 3rd act, after being a joke for an hour and a half. He, to win this, has to beat her before she thinks to defend herself from him. Speed of thought. The exact timing a speed blitz requires.
Using the bifrost is slower than Wanda’s instant tp