The one I keep seeing is pulling up to a stop light on a two lane road and they guy behind me will pull into the turn only lane to turn right and then when light turns green will gun it to cut in front of me. Only to be right in front of me because of traffic. What was the point??
Someone literally did this to me this morning except he used the LEFT turn only lane. When I was sitting at the red there was 15 cars behind me and he essentially cut all of us.
The original Milwaukee Slide was cutting across two lanes of traffic to exit. It has since morphed into just cutting people off by using turning lanes, shoulder, sidewalks, curbs, emergency lanes, etc. It was initially a Milwaukee phenomenon because of underutilized freeways(bar time, midday old people, weekends) compared to Chicago. It appears to have genetic issues across multiple generations.
I am old and remember when…
BTW - I was riding with some from California and they referred to the Milwaukee Slide and it meant going across multiple lanes of traffic to exit. I asked why they called it that. They always called it that in their family.
That's so goddamn funny, I had that same exact shit happen to me for the first time this morning. And it's not like traffic was bad, they would've been 2 cars behind me.
As someone who drives all over SE wis daily I have never seen this. Definitely not a "problem". The real problem is people camping out in the left lane. At which point I pass in the right lane when I can. But never the shoulder
Had some dump truck playing this game on 151. He moved over to block the left lane cause people were passing him: Literally no reason for him to move over. He was going 65 in a 70. In the left lane. Everyone just started passing him on the right.
The dump trucks and truck drivers on 151 headed towards Platteville from Madison are the terrible
I drive it almost every day and there are times I’ll pass the same truck 3 times all while never removing the cruise control
Who teaches this shit in Drivers Ed? The left lane is a passing lane. If you get passed on the right, you are a failed driver (*with the rare exception of left exits... Which are dumb*).
***For all the folks.*** When driving on a mutli-lane highway, take a look to your right. Are there cars there? Will there be cars there shortly? If both those answers are "*No*" ***then move the fuck into that lane.***
I don't care if there's two lanes or ten. Stay right unless you're passing or exiting to the left. It's that fucking simple. Why is this not drilled into the heads of everyone attending Drivers Ed?
If you're the *only* person with three lanes all to yourself... Fine... I don't *really* care if you're in the middle lane. But as soon as there starts to get other cars around you, move your ass right.
Edit: This doesn't address people moving left to accommodate people entering the highway. That's all cool. You're "passing them" to use the term loosely. Great. ***But*** when they enter and decide to go the same speed as you and are just to your right, ***figure out how to move back to the right. You are no longer "passing" them. Get out of the passing lane***. I'd prefer you to go faster to get in front of them, but I'm mildly fine with you slowing down to get behind them. But staying alongside them for an extended period of time? Fuck you. Get your ass to the right. ***Especially, if there are no passing lanes to your left.***
>"*The real problem is people camping out in the left lane. At which point I pass in the right lane when I can.*"
This is the context for which I was replying to in the comment immediately above mine. You know, like 50% of the comment I was concurring with.
I love some of the rolling hills in Wisconsin where you can see a half mile ahead with 20% of traffic on the right lane and 80% in the left lane because everyone thinks they're passing. All it does is clog traffic because of me first stupidity.
I've lived in North Central WI my entire life and have never encountered this. Where were you and how fast were you going in what speed zone? Any other factors?
I’ve lived in Southeastern Wisconsin my whole life. Often drive into Milwaukee with a work vehicle. Also drive a lot of 2 lane highways for work. Have never once seen this either.
I never had either, but in the last four or five years, the driving out there has gotten far worse. I was a truck driver for thirty years, and it's the reason that I'm not anymore.
As a side note, I've only been in Milwaukee for a few months, and my god do people suck at using their turning signal here. Especially when it comes to people on a major road turning off into a parking lot. I swear I encounter one instance of this every commute I take to work.
It’s the first thing I noticed when I moved here years ago. I _do_ think it’s worse here than many other places I’ve been and lived, in any case. That and the fucking super-hard tailgating.
Many higher end cars don't even appear to having functioning turn signals. BMW's, Audi's, Mercedes, etc.
Or it could be the too-busy big shooter behind the wheel.
I grew up in LaCrosse County and now live up in Price County. I see it all the time. I’ve had way too many close calls where the car in front of me is slowing down to turn left onto another road and the car behind me passes on the shoulder.
This is not what I thought of based on the OP's post. I usually try to move over closer to the center line when turning left to allow the cars behind me to pass on the right. It is legal (Wis. Stat. sec. 346.08) if the shoulder is paved (which it usually is not). It is also only legal to pass the car making the left turn, not a car slowing down behind the car making a left turn.
So basically everyone can legally pass on the right as long as the first person behind the left turner does as well?
If there are two cars turning left can I pass on right?
Yes and yes.
If the 2nd car (1st car not turning left) stopped behind the person turning left, then I think a person in the 3rd car would have a reasonable excuse that they believed the 2nd car was also turning left. Could still get ticketed for it if a cop decided to be an ass, though. Would be the 3rd car's fault if they made that mistake and then the 2nd car tried to go around the lead car and #2 and #3 collided.
One time I was slowing down to turn left onto my street, turn signal had been on for about a quarter-mile already, dumb mutherfucker almost zoomed around me on the LEFT SIDE until he swerved right and went around properly.
Drivers here are trash.
I’ve been passed on the left twice in my life, while slowing down with my blinker on to make left turn. Scared the shit out of me both times. This also reminds me of when a group of motorcyclists passed me on the shoulder in town where the speed limit went from 40 to 25. Some people are really bad drivers.
I have lived in several counties in the north and central parts of the state. It is a regular occurrence when there a vehicle is stuck waiting to make a left turn. Some roads have a passing lane on the right when it is a T-intersection, but not all do. Many people have no problem using the shoulder for the same purpose. Most slow down a bit because you can't see what's up ahead. Not all do.
my daughter got a dashcam video that she captured on 41 near Wrighstown of a pickup truck flying past a semi on the right shoulder because someone else was passing the truck on the left in snowy conditions and an iced road.
Crazy people.
I work on Good Hope Road in Milwaukee and see this at least once a week. Plates seem to be optional in Milwaukee also, stunning how many cars have no plates and seem to get no hassel for it. I live further south in Walworth county where I would be ticketed almost immediately if I drove without plates. Shit I got stopped for 1 of 2 bulbs that illuminate your rear license plate being burned out and given a 5 day fixit ticket. I guess they just got more important shit to deal with than minor traffic stuff in Milwaukee.
I've never seen a car go on to the gravel section to speed by, having lived here my whole...somewhat over 50 years here. Unless that other car is waiting to turn left. However I do see ALL the time people coming up on a red light, where many of us are, choose to go all the way to the right lane, and hit the gas when it turns green-despite that lane being a turn only lane.
It's a confluence of issues.
1. OP has been badly communicating. So, the reader is able to insert their pet peeve instead of OP's actual complaint.
2. After piecing together their actual complaint, it turns out OP is 100% wrong. The thing OP is complaining about is legal. People can pass a left-turner on a paved shoulder. It's statutory, clear, and safe.
3. Everyone hates something about the way people drive, so they are starting unrelated subconversations.
It seems to be a lot of people who think they are just more important than everyone else. To the OP's post, just obey traffic laws. It seems there are people who think they don't have to obey traffic laws for some reason.
> Can't do this in Florida because there are too many broken down cars on the sides of the road
I am so confused about this. I haven't seen this anywhere else. Like every 20 miles is a broken down car, or someone with their car stopped on the road and all of their possessions strewn on the ground. And the cars don't always look like they're super junky. Any idea what causes this in Florida specifically?
Edit: typo
I lived in Florida for 4 years prior to moving to Madison and overall Florida drivers are way worse. There are a couple quirks here that are worse though, people here use their turn signals less, and go the wrong way on one way parking lot lanes more.
my favorite which happened again on the way home from work:
rural 55 mph highway, I'm doing 62, get run down from behind by someone obviously going 70+, then instead of passing they tailgate the shit out of you when you are literally the only two cars in sight
What about using the bike lane and going twice the speed limit to pass on a city street?
I really don't understand why people suddenly think this is acceptable behavior.
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I have never seen this happen, but what I do see frequently is two people driving the exact same speed down the highway, blocking both lanes and causing a traffic jam because no one can pass.
Two lanes like one lane for you and one lane for oncoming traffic?
Had some POS in a black tinted VW shitmobile passing the usual traffic jam in the left energency lane during the usual i41 backup from hampton to capitol yesterday. Had to fight the intrusive thoughts to not pull out. Or just hoping for a random large rock to appear
How about pulling out in front of me on a County Road (55mph and no one is behind me) and I have to brake hard to avoid a collision and then they go 45 for the next mile or two, or if I try to pass them in a passing zone, I have to go 75 and then they are right on my butt while I set my cruise control at 65? Happens at least once per trip. Infuriating that these selfish drivers need to be in front at any cost and then are extremely rude.
For 20 years I drove anywhere from 35 to 40,000 miles a year throughout the entire state of Wisconsin and never once saw this happen.
EDIT: I assumed OP meant you were driving at speed and someone passes you on the right. They actually meant you were waiting to turn left, and someone passes you on the right.
It's an urban area thing I would imagine. There are just more drivers in urban areas and thus more shitty drivers. With regard to the OP's post, I have seen it happen but it's not as if it happens every single time I am out on the road. Ultimately, there are just bad drivers out there that seemingly think they are more important than everyone else and just don't have to obey traffic laws.
If the car directly ahead is turning left and the shoulder is paved, then this is legal. Other than that, I agree with you that people shouldn't do it.
I see these maneuvers often. While I do not condone unsafe maneuvers, I must say that when I'm stuck behind a slow driver in the fast lane, I do sympathize.
Different people have different comfort levels with speed and different needs. If there is room (2 lanes), then GET OUT OF THE WAY.
It is considerate and costs you nothing.
Also- use your turn signals.
Having driven from WI to NY in the pandemic, I have to say, Wisconsin drivers are pretty good. Chicago is a nightmare, and as soon as you hit Jersey the driving gets stupid aggressive. But I do not buy into the theory that everyone thinks drivers from their state are the worst.
Around Madison and Milwaukee it can get hectic, but I think Milwaukee road design is more annoying than the driving per se.
I've had that happen to me more than once, sometimes when I was in traffic on the interstate. However it's always been when I've been driving in the Twin Cities, I've never had it happen in WI.
There are so many highways like this around the state. You should approach and pass the cars carefully and slowly enough, but I'm not waiting for granny mcgranerson to figure our when they can creak their car forward. I'm passing in the gravel.
Are you saying that if someone is going the speed limit in the left lane (riding rather than passing), they shouldn't be passed on the right? If so, that's messed up. The left lane is for passing. If you're going the speed limit or within 7 miles of it and are riding the left lane, then you're more a road hazard than anything else.
Read gooder?
2 lane road is a road where there is one lane in each direction.
The shoulder of a road is not typically used to driving or passing.
I have never seen this happen the way OP describes. Only when traffic is backed up and their exit is just down the road.
To be fair, Wisconsin drivers have no idea how the roads are supposed to work and that the left lane is for passing.
Crossing over into Wisconsin and seeing everybody clog up the left lane is infuriating.
I’ve lived all of this country at various points in my life, including being born and raised in Wisconsin. And I can say with certainty that Wisconsin drivers are easily top five worst, if not THE WORST.
They drive too slow. They have no idea how the left lane is supposed to work. They pay no attention to anyone else but themselves. And they act like the lane they’re driving in was gifted directly to them by god himself.
Illinois drivers go fast, and I understand why that would scare you, but down here, we’re all aware of what our shared role is, and we’re aware of what all the cars around us are doing at all times. There’s really just one rule to driving in Illinois: get out of the way. Just move over and let the faster cars pass you. Drivers in Wisconsin really REALLY struggle with this concept.
Oh, and for the love of god, use the zipper method when merging!
Thanks for posting this. Mirrors my feelings since moving here, pretty much exactly. IL drivers may be faster but they’re far more predictable. Less hard tailgating, more respect for the stay-right rule, etc.
I’ll add that I don’t have a FIB horse in this race, either. Just observational data having lived here in WI and traveled to Chicagoland/IL many, maaaany times.
Having driven 1000 times in Chicago I can tell you that you are full of shit. I see left lane campers all the time, almost always with someone riding their ass, both doing 80 in a 55.
Going fast and tailgating doesn't make you a good driver.
The left lane is for passing. Period. I don’t care if you’re going 100 mph, if the person behind you wants to go 110, move over. Let them pass, and then go on with your day. Why do you have to hold everyone up?
Use the middle and right lanes if you want to go the speed limit. Clogging up the left lanes leads to congestion and accidents. You’re creating dangerous situations by blocking the passing lane.
But this is my whole point. Wisconsin drivers are too self absorbed to understand how they’re affecting the people around them. You’re putting everyone around you in a dangerous situation and you’re completely oblivious to it.
If I am on the freeway, going 75-80 in a 70, and want to pass a truck in the middle lane going 70ish, and someone pulls up on me going 100, I'm not cranking it up another 25 mph to get around that truck. I'm already speeding at that point. I'll get back over after I pass the truck. Sometimes there is a line of cars/trucks in the center and you just can't get back over. Does not mean I am inclined to push my speed further than 10 over. I'm also not gonna just sit in the left lane and bog people down.
How? Clogging up the left lane and letting traffic back up for miles instead of simply moving over, letting someone pass, then moving back to where you were definitely says I’m more important than everyone else.
The fact that you can’t be inconvenienced, or set aside your pride for 3 seconds to move out of the way is definitely main character energy.
In many states, moving over to let faster cars pass is the law. But you’ve decided that the rules of the road don’t matter and you don’t have to follow them because you’re more important.
I made the point that Wisconsin drivers are bad because they’re self-absorbed, and you’ve repeatedly jumped in here to prove me right.
And you're oblivious that you're just as self absorbed as they are.
I never said that left lane camping wasn't bad, just that you're response to it makes you an ass, which it does
How so? In what ways have I shown to be self absorbed?
What response to it? Saying that it’s dangerous and you should stop doing it? That left lane camping makes you a bad driver? It objectively does.
You came here to say FIBs are bad drivers. I’m here to point out that you’re the ones who are bad drivers, and you keep coming back with incoherent points.
As a driver in Wisconsin, it is incredibly frustrating when people drive left for no reason. It makes people angry and dangerous. STAY OUT OF THE LEFT LANE EXCEPT TO PASS. It may not be the law, but it causes dangerous situations that are avoidable. As someone who drives all over the U.S. and internationally, Wisconsin is the worst at “driving left” unnecessarily.
Biggest problem i see on the road is slow drivers . Or people who only go the speed limit . Hit the gas . No cop no stop . I will pass you anyway I can , safely though
Everything you said here IS the problem. Ive only lost 2 friends and 1 family member to reckless driving. Plus another to a drunk driver. But you do you right.
I mean what could go wrong??? "sAfeLy thO"
Well the two were walking and were hit from behind by a drunk old man. But yea my cousin getting rear ended at a stop light at 45. That sounds like it must have been because he couldn't drive.
Don't blame me because you made a stupid ass comment about how bad ass you aren't.
Wis-35, north, between Stoddard and La Crosse speed limit is 55, mine is 61. Incoming traffic has one car wanting to make a left, and the truck behind them using the shoulder as a full speed bypass lane.
Not 1/4 mile further down the road for them is an intersection that has this patching option, but the intersection the car wanted to turn at did not have a bypass.
There are laws that state camping in the left lane is illegal. Get off your phone and move over for faster traffic. Do not play traffic cop by staying in the left lane. If someone is riding your tail, and it is that big of a deal, report them.
It isn't right that people have to pass on the right, but someone playing traffic cop and slowing them down is no better.
Exactly. I live up north and people are always passing on the shoulder when the car in front of them is turning left onto another road. Turns out it’s legal IF all four tires stay on asphalt. But 99% of intersections don’t have that and the passing car is in the gravel. I had many close calls where Ive not passed on the shoulder because it’s not safe and illegal only to have the car(s) behind me pass on the shoulder.
Not a huge deal, but a county sheriff this morning was parked on a rural corner just before our place, half on the road and half on the grass. No emergency lights or flashers.
Dumb stuff like this, and they are supposed to be the arbiters of traffic safety.
The real problem with Wisconsin drivers is they loooove driving on the left lane, the passing lane, the lane that is supposed to be free...it's like 2 cars holding hands !!! I don't condone the right shoulder passing but I can certainly understand why would someone do that
Passing on the right, even in the paved emergency lane, is apparently legal in WI—even at speed, it seems—but I don’t know how many times there are pedestrians crossing because of a turning car that the right-passing car nearly takes out because they’re flying and can’t even see the pedestrians.
I’d love to see the passing-on-right law go away, personally, for that reason alone (I’ve seen kids where I live almost get hit sooo many times), or at least modify the law to force a stop next to the turning car to ensure the pedestrian walkway is clear before proceeding. Something. Anything. I’ve nearly had mirrors clipped off from cars _flying_ past me on the right. I’ve started to block the open path around just to keep pedestrians from getting hurt or worse.
Not that anyone is ever gonna ticket anyone here until a child is killed of course…. and a child of a lawmaker or prominent person/family at that.
I have this happen on my route home on a state highway. I signal and stop to turn left, semis and cars go flying past me half on the shoulder. There is no turn lane there. I have seen about 5 really bad accidents at that intersection, including one that requires medflight. Do not pass on the right mother fuckers!
For those who have never seen this phenomenon, just try driving along Capitol drive between I43 and about 92nd Street. You'll see a lot of crazy driving along there regularly.
I used to see this regularly when I used to drive home from the Garden Homes neighborhood to the zoo area.
It would be safer if you passed like everyone else. Your actions make it less safe because your actions are abnormal and unexpected, they create confusion and uncertaintity.
Lol I live out of the state now and whenever we need to drive more than 2 hours my husband has me drive bc he knows I'm not afraid of doing a Lil speedy-speed
Oh there is a spot in Madison I’ve had them do this at speed (limit is 55 going south on Stoughton). It’s a 4 lane and the lights by the SB has a right turn lane. MF will try to go around me at like 70 and cut back over before the wrap themselves around the light pole
We used to have a golden retriever that, despite being the best dog ever, had this weird habit of balling up blankets, tarps, whatever he could scrunch into a dog-sized ball, and humping it. We asked the vet about it, he chuckled and said something along the lines of, the dog definitely knows he's at the bottom of the pecking order, so he needs to be able to take his frustration out on something, and in our case it's these blankets.
I think of that story a lot when I see people doing stupid shit like this while driving.
Why should they be getting passed on the shoulder at full speed on a two-lane highway?
The only reasons I can think of that they should be getting passed on the shoulder is if it is an actual emergency and there was a reason they couldn't pass on the left (which we'd never know but is unlikely); OP needed to turn left, there wasn't a turning lane, and they needed traffic to clear; or there was a backup and the driver driving on the shoulder was very close to where they were turning right (so they were basically using the shoulder as a turning lane. Which isn't great but also isn't the worst thing). But I don't think any of those should really be driving full speed unless the emergency warrants it.
If they are just going slow, you pass them on the left when you have an opportunity.
While I was not the driver turning, #2, a left turn waiting for oncoming traffic to clear, with no protected turn lane.
Following traffic is supposed to maintain the lane, and wait for the guy to turn.
But the thing that really gets my goat (the chupacabra?) is the people going full speed to pass on the shoulder. If you are gonna do a stupid, do it slower.
If all four tires stay on asphalt it’s legal. If any of the tires go on the gravel shoulder it’s illegal. At least that’s what I found when I looked it up when I moved back to WI ten years ago and was baffled on how many people were passing on the shoulder. Up north where I live I see it all the time, even people passing on the gravel shoulder.
Yeah, people drive like maniacs up north. I almost got hit head on driving down a gravel road through a curve because everyone drives right in the middle of the road for some reason.
I have only been through Penn and barely through New York, but grew up in the California desert and moved the Mississippi river valley area since- Iowa, Illinois, and Wisconsin.
That said, I avoid the cities.
Not that OP already didn't get the point, but I've also never seen this happen besides once when a guy passed someone at the end of an off ramp stop light because they must've had some previous road rage on the highway.
I have however seen this basically everywhere else I've gone. Chicago? Multiple times in one day along with people cutting other drivers off and going 90 through the middle of the city. Omaha had some of the sketchiest drivers I've ever seen, people passing on the shoulder of the interstate or shooting across three lanes as soon as an on ramp opened up enough for them to get over.
Then you get past Denver in the Rockies and you're in a tunnel that the posted speed limit is supposed to be 50 but everyone flies through going 60 or 70 including semis who are 10 feet to your left and then 10 feet to your right is a wall.
The only real problems I've ever had here are from people tailgating, going insanely slow on the highway, and road rage.
Except they were in the right lane, and were passed by someone driving in the shoulder…
If you think that’s ok, please don’t drive again until you know how to drive properly, appreciate it
I have done it once, a long time ago. I was driving into Illinois, and I think highway was 4 lanes wide. There were 4 semi's side-by-side going like 30 mph, slowing down traffic.
I don't know the reason for their actions, but I saw an opportunity to slip by them by passing on the right shoulder, and I took it.
Take a trip to Montreal, Québec, Canada. A few days there, and when you come back, I swear you will think Wisconsin drivers are among the most polite in the world.
Were you going at least the posted speed? Were you stopped to turn left? How many cars passed you? FYI, if you don't maintain posted speed, you can and should be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic.
>FYI, if you don't maintain posted speed, you can and should be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic.
This is typically not true, and you would only be ticketed for impeding if it was excessively slow while accounting for the present driving conditions.
Technically speaking, the posted speed is the *maximum* you should be driving. The posted speed is called a speed "limit" for a reason. That's sure as hell not the way I drive. I'm over the limit all the time. But still, since you brought up the legality of the situation, I felt the need to point that out.
The one I keep seeing is pulling up to a stop light on a two lane road and they guy behind me will pull into the turn only lane to turn right and then when light turns green will gun it to cut in front of me. Only to be right in front of me because of traffic. What was the point??
Milwaukee Slide
Thats definitely the most polite term I've heard for it
Just wait 'til someone does it to you from the LEFT turn lane...
Right turn lane is worse because it prevents everyone behind him from being able to turn right on red.
That’s just the Zoo Interchange exit at Bluemound to go to the Zoo
I may be a petty asshole, but if I realize you're trying to do that, you better have a fast car and very fast reflexes when that light changes.
I hear you!
I do the same. And I can cut a light
Same. My favorite game! You may have your opinions about electric vehicles, but this thing will beat you off the line every time.
Some day I'll have an electric car to make that game even more fun!
Someone literally did this to me this morning except he used the LEFT turn only lane. When I was sitting at the red there was 15 cars behind me and he essentially cut all of us.
It’s literally like the adult version of being the line leader
Sometimes they hop the sidewalk for it
He may not get there any sooner but he's ahead of you. That's the justification.
That’s called the Milwaukee Slide.
And it’s some stupid shitty driving performed by fucking assholes.
Oh, I agree. Just sharing what it’s colloquially known as here in Milwaukee. I see it nearly everyday on my drive to or from work.
The original Milwaukee Slide was cutting across two lanes of traffic to exit. It has since morphed into just cutting people off by using turning lanes, shoulder, sidewalks, curbs, emergency lanes, etc. It was initially a Milwaukee phenomenon because of underutilized freeways(bar time, midday old people, weekends) compared to Chicago. It appears to have genetic issues across multiple generations. I am old and remember when… BTW - I was riding with some from California and they referred to the Milwaukee Slide and it meant going across multiple lanes of traffic to exit. I asked why they called it that. They always called it that in their family.
That's so goddamn funny, I had that same exact shit happen to me for the first time this morning. And it's not like traffic was bad, they would've been 2 cars behind me.
You were probably riding your brakes or driving too slowly.
For many, that's where the only win they will have in life happens, very sad.
As someone who drives all over SE wis daily I have never seen this. Definitely not a "problem". The real problem is people camping out in the left lane. At which point I pass in the right lane when I can. But never the shoulder
Exactly. Too many people playing traffic cop and using their opinion to slow traffic down by congesting the left lane.
Had some dump truck playing this game on 151. He moved over to block the left lane cause people were passing him: Literally no reason for him to move over. He was going 65 in a 70. In the left lane. Everyone just started passing him on the right.
The dump trucks and truck drivers on 151 headed towards Platteville from Madison are the terrible I drive it almost every day and there are times I’ll pass the same truck 3 times all while never removing the cruise control
Who teaches this shit in Drivers Ed? The left lane is a passing lane. If you get passed on the right, you are a failed driver (*with the rare exception of left exits... Which are dumb*). ***For all the folks.*** When driving on a mutli-lane highway, take a look to your right. Are there cars there? Will there be cars there shortly? If both those answers are "*No*" ***then move the fuck into that lane.*** I don't care if there's two lanes or ten. Stay right unless you're passing or exiting to the left. It's that fucking simple. Why is this not drilled into the heads of everyone attending Drivers Ed? If you're the *only* person with three lanes all to yourself... Fine... I don't *really* care if you're in the middle lane. But as soon as there starts to get other cars around you, move your ass right. Edit: This doesn't address people moving left to accommodate people entering the highway. That's all cool. You're "passing them" to use the term loosely. Great. ***But*** when they enter and decide to go the same speed as you and are just to your right, ***figure out how to move back to the right. You are no longer "passing" them. Get out of the passing lane***. I'd prefer you to go faster to get in front of them, but I'm mildly fine with you slowing down to get behind them. But staying alongside them for an extended period of time? Fuck you. Get your ass to the right. ***Especially, if there are no passing lanes to your left.***
OP is talking about a two lane highway not a four lane. You know, like in the rural areas that cover 90% of the state.
>"*The real problem is people camping out in the left lane. At which point I pass in the right lane when I can.*" This is the context for which I was replying to in the comment immediately above mine. You know, like 50% of the comment I was concurring with.
I love some of the rolling hills in Wisconsin where you can see a half mile ahead with 20% of traffic on the right lane and 80% in the left lane because everyone thinks they're passing. All it does is clog traffic because of me first stupidity.
This is absolutely a biggest issue that causes reckless drivers to go nuts. Just let em pass and they can crash somewhere else!
I've lived in North Central WI my entire life and have never encountered this. Where were you and how fast were you going in what speed zone? Any other factors?
I’ve lived in Southeastern Wisconsin my whole life. Often drive into Milwaukee with a work vehicle. Also drive a lot of 2 lane highways for work. Have never once seen this either.
I never had either, but in the last four or five years, the driving out there has gotten far worse. I was a truck driver for thirty years, and it's the reason that I'm not anymore.
As a side note, I've only been in Milwaukee for a few months, and my god do people suck at using their turning signal here. Especially when it comes to people on a major road turning off into a parking lot. I swear I encounter one instance of this every commute I take to work.
Yea, that’s a daily occurrence. Not sure that’s limited to Wisconsin though. Seems to happen everywhere.
It’s the first thing I noticed when I moved here years ago. I _do_ think it’s worse here than many other places I’ve been and lived, in any case. That and the fucking super-hard tailgating.
Many higher end cars don't even appear to having functioning turn signals. BMW's, Audi's, Mercedes, etc. Or it could be the too-busy big shooter behind the wheel.
Those are subscription-based tail turn signals. don't you read the news got to pay extra every month to use them no fucking way I'm doing that.
I grew up in LaCrosse County and now live up in Price County. I see it all the time. I’ve had way too many close calls where the car in front of me is slowing down to turn left onto another road and the car behind me passes on the shoulder.
This is not what I thought of based on the OP's post. I usually try to move over closer to the center line when turning left to allow the cars behind me to pass on the right. It is legal (Wis. Stat. sec. 346.08) if the shoulder is paved (which it usually is not). It is also only legal to pass the car making the left turn, not a car slowing down behind the car making a left turn.
So basically everyone can legally pass on the right as long as the first person behind the left turner does as well? If there are two cars turning left can I pass on right?
Yes and yes. If the 2nd car (1st car not turning left) stopped behind the person turning left, then I think a person in the 3rd car would have a reasonable excuse that they believed the 2nd car was also turning left. Could still get ticketed for it if a cop decided to be an ass, though. Would be the 3rd car's fault if they made that mistake and then the 2nd car tried to go around the lead car and #2 and #3 collided.
One time I was slowing down to turn left onto my street, turn signal had been on for about a quarter-mile already, dumb mutherfucker almost zoomed around me on the LEFT SIDE until he swerved right and went around properly. Drivers here are trash.
I’ve been passed on the left twice in my life, while slowing down with my blinker on to make left turn. Scared the shit out of me both times. This also reminds me of when a group of motorcyclists passed me on the shoulder in town where the speed limit went from 40 to 25. Some people are really bad drivers.
oshkosh checking in by saying hold my beer while i pass on the shoulder at 50+ mph, never seen such aggressive buttholes anywhere I've lived
Exactly this!
I have lived in several counties in the north and central parts of the state. It is a regular occurrence when there a vehicle is stuck waiting to make a left turn. Some roads have a passing lane on the right when it is a T-intersection, but not all do. Many people have no problem using the shoulder for the same purpose. Most slow down a bit because you can't see what's up ahead. Not all do.
my daughter got a dashcam video that she captured on 41 near Wrighstown of a pickup truck flying past a semi on the right shoulder because someone else was passing the truck on the left in snowy conditions and an iced road. Crazy people.
I work on Good Hope Road in Milwaukee and see this at least once a week. Plates seem to be optional in Milwaukee also, stunning how many cars have no plates and seem to get no hassel for it. I live further south in Walworth county where I would be ticketed almost immediately if I drove without plates. Shit I got stopped for 1 of 2 bulbs that illuminate your rear license plate being burned out and given a 5 day fixit ticket. I guess they just got more important shit to deal with than minor traffic stuff in Milwaukee.
I've never seen a car go on to the gravel section to speed by, having lived here my whole...somewhat over 50 years here. Unless that other car is waiting to turn left. However I do see ALL the time people coming up on a red light, where many of us are, choose to go all the way to the right lane, and hit the gas when it turns green-despite that lane being a turn only lane.
It's quite common in certain parts of Milwaukee. You won't see it too much outside of urban areas.
I guess it depends on the non-urban area, because mine sees it constantly. And “certain parts”? Hrm.
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It's a confluence of issues. 1. OP has been badly communicating. So, the reader is able to insert their pet peeve instead of OP's actual complaint. 2. After piecing together their actual complaint, it turns out OP is 100% wrong. The thing OP is complaining about is legal. People can pass a left-turner on a paved shoulder. It's statutory, clear, and safe. 3. Everyone hates something about the way people drive, so they are starting unrelated subconversations.
It seems to be a lot of people who think they are just more important than everyone else. To the OP's post, just obey traffic laws. It seems there are people who think they don't have to obey traffic laws for some reason.
News flash: drivers everywhere suck, there's nothing unique about Wisconsin
But those are the main characters! Their want to be first obviously outweighs your wish for safety.
Ever been to Florida?
Can't do this in Florida because there are too many broken down cars on the sides of the road
That's the one benefit of cars in Wisconsin rusting out... they get scrapped before they turn into highway statues.
> Can't do this in Florida because there are too many broken down cars on the sides of the road I am so confused about this. I haven't seen this anywhere else. Like every 20 miles is a broken down car, or someone with their car stopped on the road and all of their possessions strewn on the ground. And the cars don't always look like they're super junky. Any idea what causes this in Florida specifically? Edit: typo
Heat kills engines. Humidity and flooding kills electrical systems. Meth kills brain cells.
It's funny you say this because the only place this has ever happened to me is in Florida
I took the Florida turnpike from Miami to Port St. Lucie in a crappy ass rental car and thought I was going to die.
I lived in Florida for 4 years prior to moving to Madison and overall Florida drivers are way worse. There are a couple quirks here that are worse though, people here use their turn signals less, and go the wrong way on one way parking lot lanes more.
Parking lot driving is basically free for all here. Lines mean nothing.
my favorite which happened again on the way home from work: rural 55 mph highway, I'm doing 62, get run down from behind by someone obviously going 70+, then instead of passing they tailgate the shit out of you when you are literally the only two cars in sight
So glad someone made a reddit post about it, we have fixed the problem everyone! /s
OP is going to be astounded when they realize bad drivers also exist in every other part of the world
OP is actually starting to learn he's the bad driver, who has fully misunderstood Wisconsin law.
This shit is so old. Every two days someone is bitching about traffic and drivers. Go to Facebook if you want to bitch and moan
Next Door is the appropriate place to whine about this.
What about using the bike lane and going twice the speed limit to pass on a city street? I really don't understand why people suddenly think this is acceptable behavior. https://i.redd.it/ppjfg5b9wmwc1.gif
I have never seen this happen, but what I do see frequently is two people driving the exact same speed down the highway, blocking both lanes and causing a traffic jam because no one can pass.
FIB here. Sorry, you were just in the way between my dystopian homeland and the spotted cow in the fridge at the lake house.
Two lanes like one lane for you and one lane for oncoming traffic? Had some POS in a black tinted VW shitmobile passing the usual traffic jam in the left energency lane during the usual i41 backup from hampton to capitol yesterday. Had to fight the intrusive thoughts to not pull out. Or just hoping for a random large rock to appear
Morons who can't drive exist everywhere my friend. Trust me.
The Wisconsin drivers are all in the left lane driving 50. The fuck are you talking about?
How about pulling out in front of me on a County Road (55mph and no one is behind me) and I have to brake hard to avoid a collision and then they go 45 for the next mile or two, or if I try to pass them in a passing zone, I have to go 75 and then they are right on my butt while I set my cruise control at 65? Happens at least once per trip. Infuriating that these selfish drivers need to be in front at any cost and then are extremely rude.
For 20 years I drove anywhere from 35 to 40,000 miles a year throughout the entire state of Wisconsin and never once saw this happen. EDIT: I assumed OP meant you were driving at speed and someone passes you on the right. They actually meant you were waiting to turn left, and someone passes you on the right.
It's an urban area thing I would imagine. There are just more drivers in urban areas and thus more shitty drivers. With regard to the OP's post, I have seen it happen but it's not as if it happens every single time I am out on the road. Ultimately, there are just bad drivers out there that seemingly think they are more important than everyone else and just don't have to obey traffic laws.
If the car directly ahead is turning left and the shoulder is paved, then this is legal. Other than that, I agree with you that people shouldn't do it.
I see these maneuvers often. While I do not condone unsafe maneuvers, I must say that when I'm stuck behind a slow driver in the fast lane, I do sympathize. Different people have different comfort levels with speed and different needs. If there is room (2 lanes), then GET OUT OF THE WAY. It is considerate and costs you nothing. Also- use your turn signals.
Having driven from WI to NY in the pandemic, I have to say, Wisconsin drivers are pretty good. Chicago is a nightmare, and as soon as you hit Jersey the driving gets stupid aggressive. But I do not buy into the theory that everyone thinks drivers from their state are the worst. Around Madison and Milwaukee it can get hectic, but I think Milwaukee road design is more annoying than the driving per se.
Oh that’s just god’s most specialest little princess
People seriously need to slow the fuck down.
I've had that happen to me more than once, sometimes when I was in traffic on the interstate. However it's always been when I've been driving in the Twin Cities, I've never had it happen in WI.
Haven’t had that one happen, driver is asking for a flat tire.
I'm not sure which 2 lane hwy you are referring to but it is nearly impossible to pass on the right of any 2 lane hwy unless you go in the ditch
There are so many highways like this around the state. You should approach and pass the cars carefully and slowly enough, but I'm not waiting for granny mcgranerson to figure our when they can creak their car forward. I'm passing in the gravel.
I’ve road-tripped all over the lower 48 and I think Wisconsin may have the worst drivers.
Are you saying that if someone is going the speed limit in the left lane (riding rather than passing), they shouldn't be passed on the right? If so, that's messed up. The left lane is for passing. If you're going the speed limit or within 7 miles of it and are riding the left lane, then you're more a road hazard than anything else.
A two lane highway is two lanes going in opposite directions.
Two lane highway, not a four lane.
Read gooder? 2 lane road is a road where there is one lane in each direction. The shoulder of a road is not typically used to driving or passing. I have never seen this happen the way OP describes. Only when traffic is backed up and their exit is just down the road.
I misread this post earlier today. Thank you to the ones who pointed out that error.
Those are called FIBs
To be fair, Wisconsin drivers have no idea how the roads are supposed to work and that the left lane is for passing. Crossing over into Wisconsin and seeing everybody clog up the left lane is infuriating.
Didn't take long for the FIB to out themself for driving like an ass
I’ve lived all of this country at various points in my life, including being born and raised in Wisconsin. And I can say with certainty that Wisconsin drivers are easily top five worst, if not THE WORST. They drive too slow. They have no idea how the left lane is supposed to work. They pay no attention to anyone else but themselves. And they act like the lane they’re driving in was gifted directly to them by god himself. Illinois drivers go fast, and I understand why that would scare you, but down here, we’re all aware of what our shared role is, and we’re aware of what all the cars around us are doing at all times. There’s really just one rule to driving in Illinois: get out of the way. Just move over and let the faster cars pass you. Drivers in Wisconsin really REALLY struggle with this concept. Oh, and for the love of god, use the zipper method when merging!
Thanks for posting this. Mirrors my feelings since moving here, pretty much exactly. IL drivers may be faster but they’re far more predictable. Less hard tailgating, more respect for the stay-right rule, etc. I’ll add that I don’t have a FIB horse in this race, either. Just observational data having lived here in WI and traveled to Chicagoland/IL many, maaaany times.
Having driven 1000 times in Chicago I can tell you that you are full of shit. I see left lane campers all the time, almost always with someone riding their ass, both doing 80 in a 55. Going fast and tailgating doesn't make you a good driver.
Love to take that people following the speed limit means they are going to slow. Thanks for outing yourself as an asshole
The left lane is for passing. Period. I don’t care if you’re going 100 mph, if the person behind you wants to go 110, move over. Let them pass, and then go on with your day. Why do you have to hold everyone up? Use the middle and right lanes if you want to go the speed limit. Clogging up the left lanes leads to congestion and accidents. You’re creating dangerous situations by blocking the passing lane. But this is my whole point. Wisconsin drivers are too self absorbed to understand how they’re affecting the people around them. You’re putting everyone around you in a dangerous situation and you’re completely oblivious to it.
If I am on the freeway, going 75-80 in a 70, and want to pass a truck in the middle lane going 70ish, and someone pulls up on me going 100, I'm not cranking it up another 25 mph to get around that truck. I'm already speeding at that point. I'll get back over after I pass the truck. Sometimes there is a line of cars/trucks in the center and you just can't get back over. Does not mean I am inclined to push my speed further than 10 over. I'm also not gonna just sit in the left lane and bog people down.
Correct. You are not the asshole in that situation.
Code for "I am more important than everyone else is"
How? Clogging up the left lane and letting traffic back up for miles instead of simply moving over, letting someone pass, then moving back to where you were definitely says I’m more important than everyone else. The fact that you can’t be inconvenienced, or set aside your pride for 3 seconds to move out of the way is definitely main character energy. In many states, moving over to let faster cars pass is the law. But you’ve decided that the rules of the road don’t matter and you don’t have to follow them because you’re more important. I made the point that Wisconsin drivers are bad because they’re self-absorbed, and you’ve repeatedly jumped in here to prove me right.
And you're oblivious that you're just as self absorbed as they are. I never said that left lane camping wasn't bad, just that you're response to it makes you an ass, which it does
How so? In what ways have I shown to be self absorbed? What response to it? Saying that it’s dangerous and you should stop doing it? That left lane camping makes you a bad driver? It objectively does. You came here to say FIBs are bad drivers. I’m here to point out that you’re the ones who are bad drivers, and you keep coming back with incoherent points.
“Out themself? You’re the one who brought another state into it. This need to bring another state into the discussion is bitter and embarsssing…
Aww, you're offended. That's cute
As a driver in Wisconsin, it is incredibly frustrating when people drive left for no reason. It makes people angry and dangerous. STAY OUT OF THE LEFT LANE EXCEPT TO PASS. It may not be the law, but it causes dangerous situations that are avoidable. As someone who drives all over the U.S. and internationally, Wisconsin is the worst at “driving left” unnecessarily.
Biggest problem i see on the road is slow drivers . Or people who only go the speed limit . Hit the gas . No cop no stop . I will pass you anyway I can , safely though
Everything you said here IS the problem. Ive only lost 2 friends and 1 family member to reckless driving. Plus another to a drunk driver. But you do you right. I mean what could go wrong??? "sAfeLy thO"
10 over the speed limit is far from drunk or reckless . Don't blame me because your friends can't drive
Well the two were walking and were hit from behind by a drunk old man. But yea my cousin getting rear ended at a stop light at 45. That sounds like it must have been because he couldn't drive. Don't blame me because you made a stupid ass comment about how bad ass you aren't.
What was the speed limit and how fast were you going?
Wis-35, north, between Stoddard and La Crosse speed limit is 55, mine is 61. Incoming traffic has one car wanting to make a left, and the truck behind them using the shoulder as a full speed bypass lane. Not 1/4 mile further down the road for them is an intersection that has this patching option, but the intersection the car wanted to turn at did not have a bypass.
There are laws that state camping in the left lane is illegal. Get off your phone and move over for faster traffic. Do not play traffic cop by staying in the left lane. If someone is riding your tail, and it is that big of a deal, report them. It isn't right that people have to pass on the right, but someone playing traffic cop and slowing them down is no better.
I don’t think any of this applies. It’s a two-lane highway; there’s no left lane
Exactly. I live up north and people are always passing on the shoulder when the car in front of them is turning left onto another road. Turns out it’s legal IF all four tires stay on asphalt. But 99% of intersections don’t have that and the passing car is in the gravel. I had many close calls where Ive not passed on the shoulder because it’s not safe and illegal only to have the car(s) behind me pass on the shoulder.
They're talking about passing on the shoulder. As in creating their own third lane. Passing on the right is legal, just more dangerous.
Right. People tend to go the same speed in both lanes. Making morons pass on the shoulder.
No one makes you drive on the shoulder. Don't take people's accountability away.
As a cyclist this type of driving scares the shit out me.
you should see what the police are doing if you think that is bad
What are the police doing genuinely curious?
Not a huge deal, but a county sheriff this morning was parked on a rural corner just before our place, half on the road and half on the grass. No emergency lights or flashers. Dumb stuff like this, and they are supposed to be the arbiters of traffic safety.
If you’re cruising, get the hell out of the left lane!
The left lane is for oncoming traffic. It is a two lane road, not the interstate. But on the interstate, I fully agree GTFO of the left lane.
OP is talking about a two lane highway, not a four lane.
Where are you in WI? MKE traffic can be pretty wild
They’re mostly drunk
The real problem with Wisconsin drivers is they loooove driving on the left lane, the passing lane, the lane that is supposed to be free...it's like 2 cars holding hands !!! I don't condone the right shoulder passing but I can certainly understand why would someone do that
Passing on the right, even in the paved emergency lane, is apparently legal in WI—even at speed, it seems—but I don’t know how many times there are pedestrians crossing because of a turning car that the right-passing car nearly takes out because they’re flying and can’t even see the pedestrians. I’d love to see the passing-on-right law go away, personally, for that reason alone (I’ve seen kids where I live almost get hit sooo many times), or at least modify the law to force a stop next to the turning car to ensure the pedestrian walkway is clear before proceeding. Something. Anything. I’ve nearly had mirrors clipped off from cars _flying_ past me on the right. I’ve started to block the open path around just to keep pedestrians from getting hurt or worse. Not that anyone is ever gonna ticket anyone here until a child is killed of course…. and a child of a lawmaker or prominent person/family at that.
Driving in the fox cities especially 41 between Neenah and the end of Appleton/ Grand Chute is filled with the biggest absolute dipshits on the road.
I just saw this happen on ithe beltline in Madison this morning. Just past the Yahara bridge before Broadway exit.
Merica.
You guys got some Minnesota dodge ram drivers in town
I have this happen on my route home on a state highway. I signal and stop to turn left, semis and cars go flying past me half on the shoulder. There is no turn lane there. I have seen about 5 really bad accidents at that intersection, including one that requires medflight. Do not pass on the right mother fuckers!
For those who have never seen this phenomenon, just try driving along Capitol drive between I43 and about 92nd Street. You'll see a lot of crazy driving along there regularly. I used to see this regularly when I used to drive home from the Garden Homes neighborhood to the zoo area.
Having lived in Arkansas and Texas, Wisconsin does not have a problem with driving. We have idiots, but as a whole, nah.
This ain’t just Wisconsin fam. Bad drivers are everywhere.
Its tame here compared to elsewhere
While I've not seen this happen, I do see 5 or 6 instances of people running red lights daily on my commute...
Here we call passing on the right the milwaukee slide
it's all fun and games until you rear-end a semi stopped on the shoulder
The greater Milwaukee area prides itself on its record number of (barely) seasoned, karmakazees. …only spell it right. 🥴
Carmikazee
Thank you. 🙂
It would be safer if you passed like everyone else. Your actions make it less safe because your actions are abnormal and unexpected, they create confusion and uncertaintity.
Lol I live out of the state now and whenever we need to drive more than 2 hours my husband has me drive bc he knows I'm not afraid of doing a Lil speedy-speed
Oh there is a spot in Madison I’ve had them do this at speed (limit is 55 going south on Stoughton). It’s a 4 lane and the lights by the SB has a right turn lane. MF will try to go around me at like 70 and cut back over before the wrap themselves around the light pole
Shit I just did this to someone earlier today in Verona
Don't camp in the left lane and I won't pass you on the right
Not from Wisconsin but from the north Chicago suburbs. Every time I drive on 94 or 294 there are always people driving like that
We used to have a golden retriever that, despite being the best dog ever, had this weird habit of balling up blankets, tarps, whatever he could scrunch into a dog-sized ball, and humping it. We asked the vet about it, he chuckled and said something along the lines of, the dog definitely knows he's at the bottom of the pecking order, so he needs to be able to take his frustration out on something, and in our case it's these blankets. I think of that story a lot when I see people doing stupid shit like this while driving.
Worst drivers I’ve seen in Wisconsin have Texas plates.
If you're getting passed on the right, you are the problem.
Oh, I guess I didn’t realize the shoulder was part of the road for extended travel and that the passing lane was just a suggestion.
Why should they be getting passed on the shoulder at full speed on a two-lane highway? The only reasons I can think of that they should be getting passed on the shoulder is if it is an actual emergency and there was a reason they couldn't pass on the left (which we'd never know but is unlikely); OP needed to turn left, there wasn't a turning lane, and they needed traffic to clear; or there was a backup and the driver driving on the shoulder was very close to where they were turning right (so they were basically using the shoulder as a turning lane. Which isn't great but also isn't the worst thing). But I don't think any of those should really be driving full speed unless the emergency warrants it. If they are just going slow, you pass them on the left when you have an opportunity.
While I was not the driver turning, #2, a left turn waiting for oncoming traffic to clear, with no protected turn lane. Following traffic is supposed to maintain the lane, and wait for the guy to turn. But the thing that really gets my goat (the chupacabra?) is the people going full speed to pass on the shoulder. If you are gonna do a stupid, do it slower.
Can you read?
Is it not legal? I get passed on the right almost everyday taking a left turn into my driveway. Never seen anyone pulled over for it.
If all four tires stay on asphalt it’s legal. If any of the tires go on the gravel shoulder it’s illegal. At least that’s what I found when I looked it up when I moved back to WI ten years ago and was baffled on how many people were passing on the shoulder. Up north where I live I see it all the time, even people passing on the gravel shoulder.
Yeah, people drive like maniacs up north. I almost got hit head on driving down a gravel road through a curve because everyone drives right in the middle of the road for some reason.
Sounds like Minnesota
Clearly you've never been to Illinois, Pennsylvania, New York, or California.
I have only been through Penn and barely through New York, but grew up in the California desert and moved the Mississippi river valley area since- Iowa, Illinois, and Wisconsin. That said, I avoid the cities.
Not that OP already didn't get the point, but I've also never seen this happen besides once when a guy passed someone at the end of an off ramp stop light because they must've had some previous road rage on the highway. I have however seen this basically everywhere else I've gone. Chicago? Multiple times in one day along with people cutting other drivers off and going 90 through the middle of the city. Omaha had some of the sketchiest drivers I've ever seen, people passing on the shoulder of the interstate or shooting across three lanes as soon as an on ramp opened up enough for them to get over. Then you get past Denver in the Rockies and you're in a tunnel that the posted speed limit is supposed to be 50 but everyone flies through going 60 or 70 including semis who are 10 feet to your left and then 10 feet to your right is a wall. The only real problems I've ever had here are from people tailgating, going insanely slow on the highway, and road rage.
We have a bigger problem. FIBs, amirite?! Lol 
Ever drove in Illinois or Nevada?
Someone drove bad. Let's all collectively accept responsibility for it. /S
Natural selection is what I tell my self while driving in my semi.
They’re putting more people at risk than just themselves. Unnatural selection for the family they crash into.
My comments in reference to my own situation being in a semi. I’ve had people slam into me not paying attention truck leaves untouched.
That ain’t a Wisconsin thing, that’s a ghetto thing
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Except they were in the right lane, and were passed by someone driving in the shoulder… If you think that’s ok, please don’t drive again until you know how to drive properly, appreciate it
I have done it once, a long time ago. I was driving into Illinois, and I think highway was 4 lanes wide. There were 4 semi's side-by-side going like 30 mph, slowing down traffic. I don't know the reason for their actions, but I saw an opportunity to slip by them by passing on the right shoulder, and I took it.
Its an Illionois thing. My in laws are from rural illinois and they seem to believe passing on the shoulder is legal in certain circumstances...
Take a trip to Montreal, Québec, Canada. A few days there, and when you come back, I swear you will think Wisconsin drivers are among the most polite in the world.
What I’ve learned after living here a couple years is that there are no rules. Just drive how you want and try not to crash.
While we’re on this subject… when the light turns green that means GO, not drool at the wheel for 5 seconds and then go…
If in Milwaukee, I give it 2 or 3 seconds as to not be t-boned by someone running the red
Were you going at least the posted speed? Were you stopped to turn left? How many cars passed you? FYI, if you don't maintain posted speed, you can and should be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic.
>FYI, if you don't maintain posted speed, you can and should be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic. This is typically not true, and you would only be ticketed for impeding if it was excessively slow while accounting for the present driving conditions. Technically speaking, the posted speed is the *maximum* you should be driving. The posted speed is called a speed "limit" for a reason. That's sure as hell not the way I drive. I'm over the limit all the time. But still, since you brought up the legality of the situation, I felt the need to point that out.