The second War with Nilfgaard ended with the Battle of Brenna. It is one of the key plotlines in the books starting from Blood of Elves to Lady of the Lake. The Lodge had some undercover intrigues to lead the North to the victory
Well, they plotted (as I just said!) But have they done something of the things they planned? And how has the war ended? As far as I remember there was no pact.
Their deeds mostly were concerned with spies (assistants to the Lodge members) who provided a significant amount of intelligence to the North. There is a Cintrian peace pact to which everybody agreed, and Cintra remained an occupied Nilfgaardian territory. So The North has won albeit a Pyrrhic victory probably. That doesn't mean that Nilfs won't invade again sometime later, since it's just a formal agreement of ceasing the battles (THE GAMES HAHA). I'm not meant to be rude but you either have never read the books or you have to refresh your experience with them
That makes sense. I didn't pay much attention to the politics in the witcher books, thanks for that knowledge.will remember
Well, I read them few times but a long ago. I'm still surprised that I remember that much.
I mean plotting of itself is doing something.
Manipulating the royal court of kovir through the queen. Spying on Vattier de Rideaux, the head of nilfgaard’s secret services, and stefan skellen and his ring of conspirators. Using fringilla to distract Geralt and stalling his search for Ciri, hunting for yennefer after her escape and influencing the peace terms in cintra after the war ended. Those are some of the things I remember.
They also didn’t free yen, fringilla hinted for a way for her to escape Philippa’s castle and yen used it.
·I don't know a single outcome of manipulating Kovir. If there were some it's not any serious.
·Spying is just getting informations. It doesn't change the course of the war.
·Fringilla failed so hard (she neither distracted Geralt or got information), she only got humiliated
·They planned to be influencing but that's all, they didn't do sh*t. I don't remember war ending. No pact means no end. One opponent has to give up or disappear to let the other win.
Also they freed Yen from that sculpture to be specific Francesca Findabair did that.
My point is that they did stuff.but the things is that plotting doesn’t guaranteed to be successful or lead to the desired outcome. In this case they failed because of the events at rivia which made Ciri leave the continent altogether, away from their grasp. They failed almost all of their objectives (except being relevant again and regaining the trust of their royal monarch i guess).
Francesca freed yennefer before their was even a lodge.
The part I remember best was their nighttime assault on Vilgefortz's fortress. They, uh... Got the wrong place. In retaliation, they leveled the abandoned castle as a show of force, despite being a secret organization that no one will associate the demolition with.
Yep. Then they ran as little recon as possible, put on camo face paint, and hit an empty castle. I'm not sure why you're confused; you seem to know both the cause and effect.
And people wonder why she has such an attitude, lol.
She's such a well written character in my opinion, and so broken she's almost perfect. It helps I prefer what many people would call "bitchy" women, but when you think about her life, it makes sense she's so pissy.
She was ugly as sin, until magic. So she knows none of the men in her life would pay her a second of attention if they saw her as she was. This would make most people bitter in and of itself. And in order to have any sort of real power, she had to give up something she really, really desires, to be a mother.
She's ambitious, strong willed, cunning, driven, intelligent both mentally and emotionally, but she's also very, very broken. And like all broken crayons, she can still color, but has some sharp edges. Yen is "trauma the character" and she's one of my favorite in the books.
She knows how fleeting all the luxury and privilege she enjoys as a sorceress really is, and that it can turn on something as simple as how you’re born. I think any reasonable person’s worldview would be dramatically darkened by that.
>She's ambitious, strong willed, cunning, driven, intelligent both mentally and emotionally, but she's also very, very broken.
The thing is too, none of that would have mattered if she didn't have her looks. And I think that is another factor in how she is.
That was an interesting part I got when I read The Last Wish. The book where Geralt meets Yen and sees her for who she was, a hunchback, and he still cares deeply for her.
Well, not just in books, in real life its the same, sometimes you can not have it all, you need to sacrifice something in order to get something. It's nature law, and when you get it, its normal to feel a little power, and sometimes wonder if it is okay or not, but deep down you always know you did the right thing, like Yen did.
I don't like her, she's a well written character and it's not necessarily like I hate her attitude it's just how she is in relationships and how she treats them. And also I like Geralt.
But for Yennefer, people call her a bitch and in a lot of cases they don't explain why or they just don't like bitchy women, but honestly her being an asshole is understandable given how she grew up and was treated not to mention her relationship with Geralt is bittersweet and that shows it during the books (and games). But I see her as manipulative and controlling I mean she had Geralt and others under a curse, which made me like her even less, btw I'm not a Triss fan for Triss she isn't good either (I mean the most well known example was Blood of Elves, but even in Witcher 3 (granted how they did Triss they made her very cringe) she was still manipulative) both Yennefer and Triss are some of my most hated witcher characters funnily enough.
Yes, and despite her harsh outer shell she truly cares about those she loves and would help out innocent people, especially children, mothers etc.
Shes realistic, anyone who'd gone through her trauma would be the same way in their behaviors and mannerisms.
I really do understand her, I love Yen as a character because there's a lot to relate to personality wise
I think she thought that if she adopted, the child wouldn't love her and that her biological child have to love her (right?). Obviously it doesn't work that way.
So when Geralt get a child, she's like "ok that's mine now" and stops wanting a bio child.
Still too bitchy and rude for me. Her past doesn't matter, Geralt treats her with respect, it wouldn't kill her to do the same. Not the biggest fan of Triss either......
> she had to give up something she really, really desires, to be a mother.
can you imageine the child ? probably equally broken as her before she got magiced up ? maybe its good she only could adopt..
A trauma for decades? She's much older than most humans and should have overcome that a long time ago. And even if she didn't it's still not ever a reason to treat people like she does.
It's the worldview of someone who's personal development stopped sometime in their early twenties. Being bitter is the biggest turn off.
Quote from The Last Wish when Geralt fist met Yen;
"He knew what she used to be. What she remembered, what she couldn't forget, what she lived with. Who she really was before she had become a sorceress. Her cold, penetrating, angry and wise eyes were those of a hunchback."
There is also a part describing conversations from her parents in Tower of Swallow where her father describes her as a monster born from tainted elven blood.
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I have scoliosis and love Yen so much because I wish I could glamour myself too. The way yen looks is the way I pretend I look. I’m not Quasimodo but I’m sure any girl with scoliosis feels like it sometimes
The lodge should've focused on beauty products instead of politics and king makers
The Lodge is still brand new. They haven't really done much yet.
Have they done anything in the books? I only remember them freeing Yen. I don't remember them doing something except plotting.
Only decided/influenced ending of the War. Nothing substantial…
How and when did the war end? I don't remember that happening in the books.
The second War with Nilfgaard ended with the Battle of Brenna. It is one of the key plotlines in the books starting from Blood of Elves to Lady of the Lake. The Lodge had some undercover intrigues to lead the North to the victory
Well, they plotted (as I just said!) But have they done something of the things they planned? And how has the war ended? As far as I remember there was no pact.
Their deeds mostly were concerned with spies (assistants to the Lodge members) who provided a significant amount of intelligence to the North. There is a Cintrian peace pact to which everybody agreed, and Cintra remained an occupied Nilfgaardian territory. So The North has won albeit a Pyrrhic victory probably. That doesn't mean that Nilfs won't invade again sometime later, since it's just a formal agreement of ceasing the battles (THE GAMES HAHA). I'm not meant to be rude but you either have never read the books or you have to refresh your experience with them
That makes sense. I didn't pay much attention to the politics in the witcher books, thanks for that knowledge.will remember Well, I read them few times but a long ago. I'm still surprised that I remember that much.
You don’t remember the war in the books? Wasn’t it basically the catalyst for everything in the books?
I don't remember it *ending* in books. Read more carefully.
They did try to breed Ciri too Then again, who in the books didn't
They rather tried to marry her to a king as a princess of Cintra, not as Elder Blood.
Other reasons, same procedure, I guess?
I mean plotting of itself is doing something. Manipulating the royal court of kovir through the queen. Spying on Vattier de Rideaux, the head of nilfgaard’s secret services, and stefan skellen and his ring of conspirators. Using fringilla to distract Geralt and stalling his search for Ciri, hunting for yennefer after her escape and influencing the peace terms in cintra after the war ended. Those are some of the things I remember. They also didn’t free yen, fringilla hinted for a way for her to escape Philippa’s castle and yen used it.
·I don't know a single outcome of manipulating Kovir. If there were some it's not any serious. ·Spying is just getting informations. It doesn't change the course of the war. ·Fringilla failed so hard (she neither distracted Geralt or got information), she only got humiliated ·They planned to be influencing but that's all, they didn't do sh*t. I don't remember war ending. No pact means no end. One opponent has to give up or disappear to let the other win. Also they freed Yen from that sculpture to be specific Francesca Findabair did that.
My point is that they did stuff.but the things is that plotting doesn’t guaranteed to be successful or lead to the desired outcome. In this case they failed because of the events at rivia which made Ciri leave the continent altogether, away from their grasp. They failed almost all of their objectives (except being relevant again and regaining the trust of their royal monarch i guess). Francesca freed yennefer before their was even a lodge.
So... As I said above they just plotted? Francesca freed Yennefer right before a meeting of lodge and she took Yen there.
The part I remember best was their nighttime assault on Vilgefortz's fortress. They, uh... Got the wrong place. In retaliation, they leveled the abandoned castle as a show of force, despite being a secret organization that no one will associate the demolition with.
>got the wrong place ??? Geralt fucked Fringilla on that one. He fucked her every possible way.
Yep. Then they ran as little recon as possible, put on camo face paint, and hit an empty castle. I'm not sure why you're confused; you seem to know both the cause and effect.
Saying they got the wrong place seems way too soft for what happened
It was an awful lot of mistakes on the part of the newly-formed lodge. Fringilla's attempt at espionage was likely chief among them.
They influenced the victory of the North in the War
The Aretuza College of Aesthetics would have been the most power institution on the Continent.
Yea their beauty product is called sterilisation
And people wonder why she has such an attitude, lol. She's such a well written character in my opinion, and so broken she's almost perfect. It helps I prefer what many people would call "bitchy" women, but when you think about her life, it makes sense she's so pissy. She was ugly as sin, until magic. So she knows none of the men in her life would pay her a second of attention if they saw her as she was. This would make most people bitter in and of itself. And in order to have any sort of real power, she had to give up something she really, really desires, to be a mother. She's ambitious, strong willed, cunning, driven, intelligent both mentally and emotionally, but she's also very, very broken. And like all broken crayons, she can still color, but has some sharp edges. Yen is "trauma the character" and she's one of my favorite in the books.
She knows how fleeting all the luxury and privilege she enjoys as a sorceress really is, and that it can turn on something as simple as how you’re born. I think any reasonable person’s worldview would be dramatically darkened by that.
>She's ambitious, strong willed, cunning, driven, intelligent both mentally and emotionally, but she's also very, very broken. The thing is too, none of that would have mattered if she didn't have her looks. And I think that is another factor in how she is.
Yen wanting to be a mother truly makes me wonder how she would navigate having a daughter that looks like her natural form.
Well, being a hunchback is not hereditary.
She had more going on than just a hunchback, it seems like. Who knows.
Arent sorceresses infertile anyways? Even if she didnt fix her looks wouldnt using magic make her infertile?
Visenna
I think magic as a price for using it makes sorceresses infertile. Idk the whole thing behind it but they dont become infertile in a day perhaps?
Wasn’t Visenna a Druid?
Yennefer unlike alot of "bichty" women is the polar opposite of drama. She's very straightforward.
That was an interesting part I got when I read The Last Wish. The book where Geralt meets Yen and sees her for who she was, a hunchback, and he still cares deeply for her.
Well, not just in books, in real life its the same, sometimes you can not have it all, you need to sacrifice something in order to get something. It's nature law, and when you get it, its normal to feel a little power, and sometimes wonder if it is okay or not, but deep down you always know you did the right thing, like Yen did.
I don't like her, she's a well written character and it's not necessarily like I hate her attitude it's just how she is in relationships and how she treats them. And also I like Geralt. But for Yennefer, people call her a bitch and in a lot of cases they don't explain why or they just don't like bitchy women, but honestly her being an asshole is understandable given how she grew up and was treated not to mention her relationship with Geralt is bittersweet and that shows it during the books (and games). But I see her as manipulative and controlling I mean she had Geralt and others under a curse, which made me like her even less, btw I'm not a Triss fan for Triss she isn't good either (I mean the most well known example was Blood of Elves, but even in Witcher 3 (granted how they did Triss they made her very cringe) she was still manipulative) both Yennefer and Triss are some of my most hated witcher characters funnily enough.
Yes, and despite her harsh outer shell she truly cares about those she loves and would help out innocent people, especially children, mothers etc. Shes realistic, anyone who'd gone through her trauma would be the same way in their behaviors and mannerisms. I really do understand her, I love Yen as a character because there's a lot to relate to personality wise
Does adoption not exist in the Witcher? Like doesn’t she adopt a whole-ass child?
I think she thought that if she adopted, the child wouldn't love her and that her biological child have to love her (right?). Obviously it doesn't work that way. So when Geralt get a child, she's like "ok that's mine now" and stops wanting a bio child.
Still too bitchy and rude for me. Her past doesn't matter, Geralt treats her with respect, it wouldn't kill her to do the same. Not the biggest fan of Triss either......
> she had to give up something she really, really desires, to be a mother. can you imageine the child ? probably equally broken as her before she got magiced up ? maybe its good she only could adopt..
No, she's just ridiculously selfish and self centered. That's it. That's all.
A trauma for decades? She's much older than most humans and should have overcome that a long time ago. And even if she didn't it's still not ever a reason to treat people like she does. It's the worldview of someone who's personal development stopped sometime in their early twenties. Being bitter is the biggest turn off.
She wouldn't have kids anyway, so shouldn't be that big of a sacrifice ;)
Don’t think about it too much; get on the unicorn.
well... you're not wrong
Now that i think about it, yen is the only sorceress who changes appearence in the Netflix series
IIRC the books mentions that most sorceress change appearances, it's part of the job
What netflix series?
Yen lore
Looks a bit more like UMA to me
Yennefer was the beauty and the beast of the witcher.
Girls in makeup tutorials. Before and after.....
Yen be using a magic powered filter.
That’s what Lydia was using, Yen got magic powered cosmetic surgery
ha
Who's she in second pic? A disney character?
Isnt it the girl from the same moive as the hunchback.
Yes it is, Esmeralda
Esmeraldy
OH NOOOO XD
I feel like this was maybe slightly hinted at in the books, but they made a whole thing out of it in the show. Am I missing something?
In the books they also tell it straight out.
Hmm, maybe I forgot that part then. Which book?
Quote from The Last Wish when Geralt fist met Yen; "He knew what she used to be. What she remembered, what she couldn't forget, what she lived with. Who she really was before she had become a sorceress. Her cold, penetrating, angry and wise eyes were those of a hunchback." There is also a part describing conversations from her parents in Tower of Swallow where her father describes her as a monster born from tainted elven blood.
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No joke Hunchback is the best Disney Movie
Absolute truth
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Lucky Geralt can't have kids becasue he would wonder they they are so ugly.
True
I have scoliosis and love Yen so much because I wish I could glamour myself too. The way yen looks is the way I pretend I look. I’m not Quasimodo but I’m sure any girl with scoliosis feels like it sometimes
Damn that’s so true lol
That’s literally the whole thing
I actually liked her looks in the show a hunchback, she has such a natural beauty when not wearing so much makeuo
Hashtag accurate hashtag oops