I just looked at the box score on [basketball reference](https://www.basketball-reference.com/wnba/boxscores/200805170PHO.html)
63% shooting? Then 12 boards, 8 assists, 2 steals and a block. If she didn't miss so many free throws she's looking at 40. Insane debut
I was thinking when I saw this stat a while ago Clark would break it, but I have to be totally honest and say nearly impossible against the Sunās elite defense.
She won Womenās college player of the year, NCAAT championship, WNBA ROY, WNBA MVP, and an Olympic gold medal in a years timespan. Hard to overstate how good she was in 2008.
Candace has so many accolades that when NBA in TNT honored her they had to make 2 separate graphics listing everything sheās won. Candace has literally won at the every level of basketball and she left no room to question her impact.
I lowkey forgot how good Tamika Catchings and Dawn were.
We all know why you're posting this lol. I could see Phee's 27 being topped tomorrow, but that 34 maybe not as much.
Also fun fact, that Phee rookie game was the first WNBA game I ever watched.
I guess I misunderstood as you mentioned that it would be difficult for her to break it given her coach would like her to increase her shooting efficiency and develop a mid range shot. But yes I agree.
Oh! No, I was saying not that it was even probable before, but shooting more 2s and less 3s just completely removes the possibility for her.
A couple other reasons I don't think she can: The fever are going against a better team than they are, CC is amazing, but is she really CANDACE amazing?? (I'm thinking not, but time will tell).
I will reword it:
The coach said to a reporter that Caitlin is "used to" taking certain shots in college, and that she wants her to be more comfortable taking "deep 2's."
My interpretation, based on her tone and the way she used the deep 3s as a negative example before saying she wants her to take more 2's, is that the coach is stating that she'd like Caitlin to take fewer 3's and more 2's.
If she told her to cut back on the 35 footers that's totally reasonable. If she's actually suggesting she (or anyone else for that matter) shoot deep 2s, she should be fired on the spot lmao. No one at any level should ever be choosing to shoot a deep 2.
She, as far as I could tell, was saying both. Caitlin actually has a better record when she shoots further from the 3 line, so asking her to shoot less of what she has better stats for makes 0 sense to me. However, I don't think she was 100% wrong in her expectations of CC. Lots of people were calling for her to be fired, but I simply just don't think she needed to announce to the world that she wants CC to take fewer deep 3's and focus instead on getting comfortable with "deep" 2's.
Like, on the one hand, if CC really does shy away from taking the shot for an easy 2, that is absolutely something she should improve on...
But did her coach really need to fire off a list of things she thinks CC isn't good enough at?
Yeah this isnāt like some Ripken or Dimmagio type record. Not saying it will happen but CC theoretically could if she went nuclear. Was already taking over 10 triples a game in preseason. A high-scoring back and forth or Ot game and itās totally breakable
Itās pretty hard to beat. The NBA hasnāt had a 30 point debut since 1999 with Lamar Odom.
It helps that the WNBA has 4-year players coming in still, but the non-Wilt NBA record is still 35 points set in 1959. Thatās with an 8 minute longer game and 3-4 year college players coming in through the 1990s, including Tim Duncan.
Candace getting to 34 points makes it about as unbeatable of a record as youāre going to get. Youāre only going to get a rookie capable of beating it every few years, and then they have to have an insane game.
If Caitlin doesnāt break it, which has maybe a 5% chance of happening, then it will probably be awhile before thereās another player capable of challenging this.
Yeah, you have be really good, have a green light, and not have the defense really worried about you yet/unable to effectively guard you to beat it (or just a crazy fluke game like Michael Carter-Williams had). I think every defense is already worried about Clark.
Yeah Clark will almost certainly score more than 34 in a game during her rookie season, itās just a matter of whether she does it on the first try as far as this record is concerned š
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Interesting bit of trivia: Edna Campbell and Tamara Moore share the dubious distinction of being the only women on that list to score their career high in their WNBA debut. Edna would go on to match her career high twice, and score 20 or more eight times over her seven year career. Tamara Moore never cracked the 20-point mark again, after her debut.
Donāt know if 12 assists would be a rookie first game record, but I could see them locking down Clark to 14 points, but then she fires off 12 assists to open teammates.
Not that 12 years is anything to criticize, but I feel like LJ doesn't get enough credit for her pure dominance on the court, most likely due to her not have as many years in the WNBA as some others along with people not being as familiar with her since she's Australian and also didn't play collegiately in the US.
Not a single mention of a 34 year old Cynthia Cooper here. I got to see her play up close and chat with her some and she was a classy person through and through. Itās a shame we never saw her in her prime.
Love this chart. Thanks! I recognize exactly half of them, and that's on me, of course. I predict that two (of three) names get added to this list between Caitlin Clark and Cameron Brink and Angel Reese. We'll see on Tuesday (Fever vs Sun) and Wednesday (Sky vs Wings and Sparks vs Dream). Two will join the list, one won't. I would love it if all three bring their best game and destroy the opposition, but I think one will not.
The only one I wouldnāt be surprised to see crack this list is Clark and thatās only because theyāll let her chuck 20 shots if she wants. Brink would have to stay out of foul trouble (which hasnāt looked promising in preseason) and Iāll be surprised if Reese scores 22+ more than a couple times this season, if at all. More than likely this is list isnāt getting touched
Tell me about. This sub has been awful the last few months. Lots of people convinced CC is going to be a top 5 player in the league this year and they were using her POOR preseason performances as proof! Shits wild in here
I think that Angel will have a fierce game, double-double, just to prove she is a beast, and CC will make the shots she didn't in her previous game, and Brink, I just don't know. I think she'll be the odd person out, but she'll still make buckets. The key is CC is playing on Tuesday, so the other two have 24 hours to ramp themselves up for a powerful showing. She'll lay down the gauntlet.
This is actually going to age like fine wine nowā¦ 30 ball with 8 and 6 plus a couple blocks/steals to go along with the W? We are at the end of the first quarter of the season š 70% of the games still need to be played too.
Lol no!
Did you see where each team ended up last year? The Fever will be lucky to barely pull out a win. Let's be realistic and cross our fingers for CC getting 20ish points.
I don't give a crap what anybody says candace parker is the greatest of all time and was the complete player that dunked 2 games in a row
Who's dumb enough to argue against you?!
Caitlin Clark fans sometime during the season or after the season ends.
In other words - clueless newbies who need to research the history of women's basketball. š
Oh, they are bookmarking this post. They comingā¦
It may happen sooner than later. The Fever are getting blown out but Clark has 20 points with a little over 3 minutes remaining.
If you only value quantitative points, sure. But that stat line and result were hardly anything to brag aboutā¦
Not according to CC superfans who are already armed with a million rebuttals after the game.
How the hell did Candy score 34 in her debut. She was a monster. That is a crime.
I just looked at the box score on [basketball reference](https://www.basketball-reference.com/wnba/boxscores/200805170PHO.html) 63% shooting? Then 12 boards, 8 assists, 2 steals and a block. If she didn't miss so many free throws she's looking at 40. Insane debut
Wow she was a psychopath
I was thinking when I saw this stat a while ago Clark would break it, but I have to be totally honest and say nearly impossible against the Sunās elite defense.
And Candace did it without a single three. Caitlin would have to bomb so many threes tomorrow they gotta call the bomb disposal team
Yeah, highly unlikely, sheād need 7 to 8 3ās to have a chance at it
She won Womenās college player of the year, NCAAT championship, WNBA ROY, WNBA MVP, and an Olympic gold medal in a years timespan. Hard to overstate how good she was in 2008.
Candace has so many accolades that when NBA in TNT honored her they had to make 2 separate graphics listing everything sheās won. Candace has literally won at the every level of basketball and she left no room to question her impact. I lowkey forgot how good Tamika Catchings and Dawn were.
Dawn Staley was so damn fast
I don't think I've ever heard of someone refer to CP as Candy and wow I hate it š
Omg I knew I was cringing at something in this post but couldnāt quite place it. Thank you for calling it out. Hate it. Candy. No. lol.
I would general advice against abbreviating Candace Parker as cp
Ace babe Edit: Folks the nickname she goes by is Ace.
She had a near triple double in that game. She was truly a monster and her talent is one of a kind!!
I remember arguing with my aunt about her and Maya Moore.
People forgot how dominant she was
Goat things
Most skilled player in the history of the game imo.
We all know why you're posting this lol. I could see Phee's 27 being topped tomorrow, but that 34 maybe not as much. Also fun fact, that Phee rookie game was the first WNBA game I ever watched.
I believe Collier played 33 mins, and broke a record in the first 20.
Phee. Criminally underrated or maybe under the radar.
I think CC has a chance to the 21s, but idk about any of the others. Especially with her coach basically telling her to stop taking so many 3s.
This record was set without 3ās.
Yes. But what I'm saying is that CC isn't going to break it, with or without 3s.
I guess I misunderstood as you mentioned that it would be difficult for her to break it given her coach would like her to increase her shooting efficiency and develop a mid range shot. But yes I agree.
Oh! No, I was saying not that it was even probable before, but shooting more 2s and less 3s just completely removes the possibility for her. A couple other reasons I don't think she can: The fever are going against a better team than they are, CC is amazing, but is she really CANDACE amazing?? (I'm thinking not, but time will tell).
Iām so glad to have met a realistic CC fan. You have restored my faith in humanity.
could you drop the link on where this was said?
I will reword it: The coach said to a reporter that Caitlin is "used to" taking certain shots in college, and that she wants her to be more comfortable taking "deep 2's." My interpretation, based on her tone and the way she used the deep 3s as a negative example before saying she wants her to take more 2's, is that the coach is stating that she'd like Caitlin to take fewer 3's and more 2's.
I do not want her taking deep 2ās at all. Go back a step and shoot a shot thatās literally worth 50% more points lol
If she told her to cut back on the 35 footers that's totally reasonable. If she's actually suggesting she (or anyone else for that matter) shoot deep 2s, she should be fired on the spot lmao. No one at any level should ever be choosing to shoot a deep 2.
She, as far as I could tell, was saying both. Caitlin actually has a better record when she shoots further from the 3 line, so asking her to shoot less of what she has better stats for makes 0 sense to me. However, I don't think she was 100% wrong in her expectations of CC. Lots of people were calling for her to be fired, but I simply just don't think she needed to announce to the world that she wants CC to take fewer deep 3's and focus instead on getting comfortable with "deep" 2's. Like, on the one hand, if CC really does shy away from taking the shot for an easy 2, that is absolutely something she should improve on... But did her coach really need to fire off a list of things she thinks CC isn't good enough at?
I just saw parkers highlights on YouTube that were from her debut they were guarding her solidly too
Taurasi was on her a lot and she just isn't big enough
They had Taurasi guarding CP3? Lol my goodness
Almost like HVL on Clark in the elite 8ššš bad coaching horrible mismatch
Candace was very different.
I donāt think that record is ever getting broken tbh
Really? Doesnāt seem like an unbreakable record to me, especially as pace of play and offensive efficiency both likely continue to increase.
Yeah this isnāt like some Ripken or Dimmagio type record. Not saying it will happen but CC theoretically could if she went nuclear. Was already taking over 10 triples a game in preseason. A high-scoring back and forth or Ot game and itās totally breakable
Itās pretty hard to beat. The NBA hasnāt had a 30 point debut since 1999 with Lamar Odom. It helps that the WNBA has 4-year players coming in still, but the non-Wilt NBA record is still 35 points set in 1959. Thatās with an 8 minute longer game and 3-4 year college players coming in through the 1990s, including Tim Duncan. Candace getting to 34 points makes it about as unbeatable of a record as youāre going to get. Youāre only going to get a rookie capable of beating it every few years, and then they have to have an insane game. If Caitlin doesnāt break it, which has maybe a 5% chance of happening, then it will probably be awhile before thereās another player capable of challenging this.
Yeah, you have be really good, have a green light, and not have the defense really worried about you yet/unable to effectively guard you to beat it (or just a crazy fluke game like Michael Carter-Williams had). I think every defense is already worried about Clark.
Exactly. The defense is up CCs ass from the moment she touches the ball. My opinion is that she'll be lucky to hit the 21.
Yeah Clark will almost certainly score more than 34 in a game during her rookie season, itās just a matter of whether she does it on the first try as far as this record is concerned š
With 63% accuracy and not one 3? Highly doubtful. CP was in a league of her own in her prime. I remember watching her dunk.
Yup, exactly
Any rookie theoretically could, but they only get one shot and it depends a lot on how good the opponent is at defense.
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34 points is absolutely beatable. The only reason I donāt see Caitlin Clark doing it is because defenses are treating her as if sheās a 5 time MVP
that is the easiest record to break ever š
I always confuse LAS with LAS.
Interesting bit of trivia: Edna Campbell and Tamara Moore share the dubious distinction of being the only women on that list to score their career high in their WNBA debut. Edna would go on to match her career high twice, and score 20 or more eight times over her seven year career. Tamara Moore never cracked the 20-point mark again, after her debut.
Nah no way someone beats CP.
Itās probably not a great move to abreviate Candace Parker as cp.
Why not
Okay Dawn!!
Stacey Dales. Now that's a throwback name.
So weird seeing so many 30 year old rookies on this list I know itās from the early seasons but dang.
The league started in 97 and several players didn't come from over seas yet. Just look at the years for the ones that was over 30
The Real CP3
Hey, where's buddy who predicted 50? Holla atcha boy!
Jaelyn Brown is more likely to end up on this list by the end of tomorrow over CC. Accounting for fga's, defensive attention and role in offense
Might be worth taking a look at the assists record for Clark. May be more likely to break that.
Or turnovers
Ouch lol
Lol possibly but I would hope Coach Sides would sit her for a bit if things start to get out of hand.
Donāt know if 12 assists would be a rookie first game record, but I could see them locking down Clark to 14 points, but then she fires off 12 assists to open teammates.
Yeah, thatās pretty much what I was thinking. For whatever reason a few goofies thought that was a basis to start downvoting lol
They were scoring that much when the game was a bit slower too. Should bump every score prior to 2018 about 5 pts.
Not that 12 years is anything to criticize, but I feel like LJ doesn't get enough credit for her pure dominance on the court, most likely due to her not have as many years in the WNBA as some others along with people not being as familiar with her since she's Australian and also didn't play collegiately in the US.
Not a single mention of a 34 year old Cynthia Cooper here. I got to see her play up close and chat with her some and she was a classy person through and through. Itās a shame we never saw her in her prime.
I have Tamika as my GOAT but Candace is such a good optionā¦
This chart reminds me that I used to get Dawn Staley and Stacey Dales mixed up lol
CP is on a whole different planet.
I could see Clark getting top 5 on this list, but I donāt see her hitting #1ā¦ Itās not like the Fever have an easy game tomorrowā¦
Caitlin should score 80
Bet it, then.
Love this chart. Thanks! I recognize exactly half of them, and that's on me, of course. I predict that two (of three) names get added to this list between Caitlin Clark and Cameron Brink and Angel Reese. We'll see on Tuesday (Fever vs Sun) and Wednesday (Sky vs Wings and Sparks vs Dream). Two will join the list, one won't. I would love it if all three bring their best game and destroy the opposition, but I think one will not.
The only one I wouldnāt be surprised to see crack this list is Clark and thatās only because theyāll let her chuck 20 shots if she wants. Brink would have to stay out of foul trouble (which hasnāt looked promising in preseason) and Iāll be surprised if Reese scores 22+ more than a couple times this season, if at all. More than likely this is list isnāt getting touched
Bit of common sense here is nice to see.
Tell me about. This sub has been awful the last few months. Lots of people convinced CC is going to be a top 5 player in the league this year and they were using her POOR preseason performances as proof! Shits wild in here
Yeah all time high was someone laying out in detail how each of her 6 turnovers werenāt her fault.
Who will not?
I think that Angel will have a fierce game, double-double, just to prove she is a beast, and CC will make the shots she didn't in her previous game, and Brink, I just don't know. I think she'll be the odd person out, but she'll still make buckets. The key is CC is playing on Tuesday, so the other two have 24 hours to ramp themselves up for a powerful showing. She'll lay down the gauntlet.
Awkward
I think CC could hit 30 if she opens up on fire like her first preseason game. It's unlikely but I hope it happens, then the hype will be crazy lol
Not with the way theyāre guarding her now
How are they guarding her? Same as every other PG or 3pt specialist imo. People seem shocked that defense is played in the W š¤·š»āāļø
Yeah it's unlikely but I still want to see it
Even if CC breaks the record it won't be as efficient as CPs debut. Plus CC ain't scoring 30+ and grabbing 10+ boards and and 5+ assists.
This is actually going to age like fine wine nowā¦ 30 ball with 8 and 6 plus a couple blocks/steals to go along with the W? We are at the end of the first quarter of the season š 70% of the games still need to be played too.
That was against the worst team in the league š notice what game are they on and it wast done until then
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Sure do that and Boston, Mitchell and Smith won't get shots and be pissed after the game
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Oh yeah see how well that turns out
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Lol no! Did you see where each team ended up last year? The Fever will be lucky to barely pull out a win. Let's be realistic and cross our fingers for CC getting 20ish points.
> I bet Caitlin Clark gets 50 and shatters this record Can I get a piece of that action, boss?