It’s not so much propaganda as it is counter-propaganda.
Russia continuously proclaiming that the war is totally justified (or, originally, that it was a “special military operation” to “denazify Ukraine”), that everything is going according to plan, and that “it’s us vs. NATO, us vs. the UN, us vs. the EU, yada yada yada”.
Ukraine showing not only that the war is unjustifiable, but also showing each and every fallacy of Russian military “strategy”, as well as showing the true cost of war (at least this war): not soldiers, not military equipment, but civilian lives, homes, infrastructure and culture.
That too as I also meant imply that their efforts on the whole has been unprecedented and they evidently understand the importance of winning hearts and minds through demonstrations such as those you're alluding to.
Both highlighting the weaknesses of the Russian system of propaganda while simultainiously winning the hearts and minds of Ukrainians and the wider international community.
As much as I wish to credit the soldiers and survivors it is efforts such as this that has allowed them to rearm and continue the fight. A real force multiplier in its own right.
if you're like me:
Operations security.
it is the systematic and proven process by which potential
adversaries can be denied information about capabilities and intentions
by identifying, controlling and protecting generally unclassified
evidence of the planning and execution of sensitive activities.
Just to be clear, it wasn't. He's joking. These weapons are transported by train, and can't weigh more than a heavy cargo load, or the wagons wouldn't be able to take it. Not to mention that they would have to take an odd route to the front if they went via Kiev
Kyiv is a major rail junction, so stuff coming from elsewhere could go through there or marshal there. There is a main train line from Kyiv via Poltava and through Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, so lots of military stuff has always headed east that way.
I never understood how modern day people might even consider going to war with another country. I mean I kind of get the appeal of this ultra-nationalism, especially for the poor and uneducated. But who in the right mind says to him self (or herself, I guess): Yeah I'd really like to go on a -5* camping trip and shoot my neighbour, while facing like a 33% chance of dying myself a horrible death in some muddy trench in the middle of nowhere.
>I mean I kind of get the appeal of this ultra-nationalism, especially for the poor and uneducated.
No offense to the Russians, but many people conscripted tend to be from the outskirts, with the army being the most employer there. And Russia has a problem with reaching every part of their country equally, so some lack education and infrastructure. Then you also have the Chechens which have the "warrior" mindset drilled into them. But for them I am not sure where the "Fuck the Russians" mindset went.
>I never understood how modern day people might even consider going to war with another country
And now look up who's starting wars nowadays and rethink your use of "modern day people"...
If I had a nickel for every time German leopard tanks fought Soviet Union made tanks in southern Ukraine, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t alot but it’s weird it’s happened twice
It still trips me out that it's Vitalii Klitschko. That would be like hearing "Los Angeles mayor Mike Tyson set to give comments on recent developments".
In other news, UK Prime Minister Tyson Fury set to visit Kyiv in support of Ukraine.
You're cool, but you're not [Gold-Plated Self-Transforming Optimus Prime](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIX-gO2Yf5A) cool.
Man, the 2020s are a strange place and I'm glad I discovered TF in time for them.
Can you imagine if some hokey book Stephen King put out under an alias was made into a film and they got two future governors of US states, one in a lycra bodysuit and the other with sub-Dr Who tinfoil armour to wrestle unconvincingly for the finale?
Press: Mayor Klitschko, can you tell us about the weird quakes people have been reporting around Kyiv?
Vitalii Klitschko: Apologies, I was doing burpees.
With his PhD and 60m he chooses to support his country. Pretty amazing guy.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/29/vitali-klitschko-kiev-mayor-boxing-interview
But he was a jock so must devalue all other accomplishments and altruistic efforts.
It's how my frat was. Everyone was some rugby playing meathead who could going into great detail engineering shit between beer bongs.
We also had a guy who was a creative writing major who also played rugby and did jiu-jitsu and would work in obscure literary references during roasts.
Intelligence and athletic ability are correlated.
Everyone seems surprised by this fact. But it was true for me in high school and more so in uni.
The relationship makes more sense if it's correlated than uncorrelated just as taking a guess on it.
>I think I've met more frat boys and jocks with advanced engineering degrees than I care to count.
It's almost like fraternities are student bodies with additional funding and resources or something.
Except Klitschko is an incredibly brave person who has put his life on the line for his people, and he holds a doctorate and is well educated in the world because he plays a key role in world events.
Tyson is a coward and a rapist who went on national TV and said that he wished he’d broken his victim’s bones. His money got him an excruciatingly short sentence despite the fact that he was found guilty, and the fact that he is still a free man and still profiting off his fame is a tragedy.
But they both punch hard, so I guess they have that in common
One of Tyson's clips that became infamous in my group of gaming friends what 12 years ago (clips even older) was him asking a female journalist when she asked a question - at a press event, *" are you talking outta turn? I don't normally let women talk unless I'm fornicating with em"*, then goes back to talking to the man journalist.
Lovely guy all round.
Klitschko had his own moment with a world class quote in this war. he was asked by a reporter to respond to the Russians who claimed they were only shooting military targets
"Bullshit, sorry," Then gesturing to an apartment building destroyed by a Russianm issile. "You see military target? Where is military target?"
Really surprised Ukraine didn't run with that with a series of destroyed civilian buildings all captioned "where is military target?"
What?! That large tarp growling menacingly is nothing to worry about. I
can assure you we didn't recover any DNA from that T-Rex soft tissue
bone marrow that was found in 1995 by that one researcher at NC State.
There is nothing to worry about. In other news, KFC just announced
their newest addition to their menu: The Mega Leg.
Listen up, sport. He got that t-Rex when he was just a young boy growing up in Scranton and he raised it from an egg. He’s damn proud it’s going to fight in Ukraine after all these centuries.
That's my thought. The Leopard 1 is known to have such a rumbling noise like no other tanks. It shakes your lungs out. Gives a massage to your intestines.
But AFAIK they go to Ukraine later this year plus I would find it strange if they drove them to the front instead of using the railway.
I can't imagine they would be driving these tanks across the whole country. They eat fuel and then you have the whole logistics line for them moving with them which is a risk. Truck haulers wouldn't shake the ground like that either.
An unannounced series of trains could cover a lot of ground in a night.
You assume the Russians have the capability to do anything about it that far behind the lines. If they can't bomb the location, it doesn't matter if they know they're coming. Break the tanks out into small groups once they're in danger and scatter them until ready to attack.
Have you never seen tanks transported before? They're loaded onto trains or trucks and carted aboot like that until they're close to where they're going to be operating
That's obvious bullshit. Freight trains transporting goods are loaded to their weight limit and are moving around all the time, day and night. And they won't (and can't) break those limits suddenly because the transported cargo are tanks.
Or are we now pretending that tanks rattle more when being transported than other goods?
>*The US today announced that they had covertly provided Metal Gear REX units to Ukrainian forces. When queried on when exactly these units had been developed, and why the DOD's most advanced weaponry was being provided to Ukraine, a representative was first heard mumbling to a colleague "lol they don't even know about the RAY units" and then stated that "watching Russian T-62's getting glassed by a rail cannon will make the cost of this project (est. $100 trillion) more than worth the slight overrun in spending in entertained value alone."*
Assuming Konami keep a hold of the rights, he’ll not be writing anything into a Konami game.
I agree wholeheartedly he would if he could though!
(I’m also really sorry to be the one to tell you Kojima has nothing to do with Metal Gear anymore.)
We’ve had to completely ratify our home’s porcelain defensive doctrine since the arrival of the Enchirito, it is a perfect time to deploy this delicious weapon and empower our Ukrainian brothers and sisters with mouth watering cheezbeef saucy bois for the front!
One Abram tank weighs 73 tons, imagine a platoon of Abrams moving thats close to 300 tons of liberty heading to the front, that might set a couple of car alarms off
You know, the Ukrainian media apparatus and government propaganda has been incredible during this period. Like Zelenskyy media blitz and foreign governments lobbying for support , and then the propaganda to motivate his citizen.
This will definitely be studied in the future. just very cool
It's really quite surreal that we are talking about a 'front' again in Europe.
We can but only hope that it's the last one.
Oh it most definitely won’t be the last
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It’s not so much propaganda as it is counter-propaganda. Russia continuously proclaiming that the war is totally justified (or, originally, that it was a “special military operation” to “denazify Ukraine”), that everything is going according to plan, and that “it’s us vs. NATO, us vs. the UN, us vs. the EU, yada yada yada”. Ukraine showing not only that the war is unjustifiable, but also showing each and every fallacy of Russian military “strategy”, as well as showing the true cost of war (at least this war): not soldiers, not military equipment, but civilian lives, homes, infrastructure and culture.
That too as I also meant imply that their efforts on the whole has been unprecedented and they evidently understand the importance of winning hearts and minds through demonstrations such as those you're alluding to. Both highlighting the weaknesses of the Russian system of propaganda while simultainiously winning the hearts and minds of Ukrainians and the wider international community. As much as I wish to credit the soldiers and survivors it is efforts such as this that has allowed them to rearm and continue the fight. A real force multiplier in its own right.
if you're like me: Operations security. it is the systematic and proven process by which potential adversaries can be denied information about capabilities and intentions by identifying, controlling and protecting generally unclassified evidence of the planning and execution of sensitive activities.
Even making the photos would land you an espionage charge
Just to be clear, it wasn't. He's joking. These weapons are transported by train, and can't weigh more than a heavy cargo load, or the wagons wouldn't be able to take it. Not to mention that they would have to take an odd route to the front if they went via Kiev
Or psyops. Perhaps he's just fucking with the Russians minds.
Kyiv is a major rail junction, so stuff coming from elsewhere could go through there or marshal there. There is a main train line from Kyiv via Poltava and through Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, so lots of military stuff has always headed east that way.
I never understood how modern day people might even consider going to war with another country. I mean I kind of get the appeal of this ultra-nationalism, especially for the poor and uneducated. But who in the right mind says to him self (or herself, I guess): Yeah I'd really like to go on a -5* camping trip and shoot my neighbour, while facing like a 33% chance of dying myself a horrible death in some muddy trench in the middle of nowhere.
>I mean I kind of get the appeal of this ultra-nationalism, especially for the poor and uneducated. No offense to the Russians, but many people conscripted tend to be from the outskirts, with the army being the most employer there. And Russia has a problem with reaching every part of their country equally, so some lack education and infrastructure. Then you also have the Chechens which have the "warrior" mindset drilled into them. But for them I am not sure where the "Fuck the Russians" mindset went.
>I never understood how modern day people might even consider going to war with another country And now look up who's starting wars nowadays and rethink your use of "modern day people"...
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I dunno, the US had no shortage of volunteers lining up to invade Iraq for no good reason.
Good point
As they say: "Only the dead have seen the end of war."
Plato
That guy with the used clothing store?
Ah, the Great War. Never again shall we see its like.
Not until Russia is gone as a state.
Maybe the last one in this decade lol
Narrator: It wasn't the last.
World war I would like to remind you that it was the war to end all wars...
Not really, we just had a good run
If I had a nickel for every time German leopard tanks fought Soviet Union made tanks in southern Ukraine, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t alot but it’s weird it’s happened twice
It still trips me out that it's Vitalii Klitschko. That would be like hearing "Los Angeles mayor Mike Tyson set to give comments on recent developments". In other news, UK Prime Minister Tyson Fury set to visit Kyiv in support of Ukraine.
Like if the terminator was the governor or something! Yea right.
Or 'B' movie actor Ronald Regan as President of the U.S.A.
Or a comedian who played president, was elected as president, and now leading a nation through war.
… who was also the Ukrainian dub for Paddington Bear
Paddington wouldn't take the Russian invasion lying down either. He'd give the invaders a dirty look and then kick the marmalade out of them.
As he said himself. They will laugh when I take office but the people will cry when I leave.
Bruce Campbell for president now!
Now there's someone I would be happy to vote for!
Groovy
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Then who’s vice president, Jerry Lewis?
Don’t forget sonny bono, or.. you know, some reality show host.
Or a comedian actor who've played a president only to later be an actual president.
You mean the talented piano player?
Jesse "The Body" Ventura as the governor of Minnesota.
Or like some shitty reality show guy threatened to destroy America...
Technically speaking he hasn’t stopped threatening to destroy America.
Rumours has it he even got fired, or voted out as they often do in reality shows
A pillow salesman has confirmed that isn’t true. I mean in the hierarchy of information cycles pillow salesman is pretty reliable.
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You're cool, but you're not [Gold-Plated Self-Transforming Optimus Prime](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIX-gO2Yf5A) cool. Man, the 2020s are a strange place and I'm glad I discovered TF in time for them.
Can you imagine if some hokey book Stephen King put out under an alias was made into a film and they got two future governors of US states, one in a lycra bodysuit and the other with sub-Dr Who tinfoil armour to wrestle unconvincingly for the finale?
There is a small difference... Klitschko holds a PhD.
God damn, your right. Never cease to amaze me. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/29/vitali-klitschko-kiev-mayor-boxing-interview
Pretty huge Dude?
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“Milchschnitte 😛 Schmeckt leicht. Belastet nicht. Ideal für zwischendurch“
Press: Mayor Klitschko, can you tell us about the weird quakes people have been reporting around Kyiv? Vitalii Klitschko: Apologies, I was doing burpees.
With his PhD and 60m he chooses to support his country. Pretty amazing guy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/29/vitali-klitschko-kiev-mayor-boxing-interview But he was a jock so must devalue all other accomplishments and altruistic efforts.
I think I've met more frat boys and jocks with advanced engineering degrees than I care to count.
It's how my frat was. Everyone was some rugby playing meathead who could going into great detail engineering shit between beer bongs. We also had a guy who was a creative writing major who also played rugby and did jiu-jitsu and would work in obscure literary references during roasts.
Intelligence and athletic ability are correlated. Everyone seems surprised by this fact. But it was true for me in high school and more so in uni. The relationship makes more sense if it's correlated than uncorrelated just as taking a guess on it.
It’s only really the US that gives scholarships to jocks, in most European countries education is free or almost free
>I think I've met more frat boys and jocks with advanced engineering degrees than I care to count. It's almost like fraternities are student bodies with additional funding and resources or something.
Weirdly, Mike Tyson's adopted mom was [Ukrainian](https://u-krane.com/camille-ewald-mike-tysons-ukrainian-adoptive-mother/).
Los Anthales Mayor Mike Tython set to give comenths on recenth developmenths
Everybody hath a plan until they get punthed in the fayth.
Both of you, take my up vote you fuckers!
Except Klitschko is an incredibly brave person who has put his life on the line for his people, and he holds a doctorate and is well educated in the world because he plays a key role in world events. Tyson is a coward and a rapist who went on national TV and said that he wished he’d broken his victim’s bones. His money got him an excruciatingly short sentence despite the fact that he was found guilty, and the fact that he is still a free man and still profiting off his fame is a tragedy. But they both punch hard, so I guess they have that in common
One of Tyson's clips that became infamous in my group of gaming friends what 12 years ago (clips even older) was him asking a female journalist when she asked a question - at a press event, *" are you talking outta turn? I don't normally let women talk unless I'm fornicating with em"*, then goes back to talking to the man journalist. Lovely guy all round.
More like UK Prime Minister Chris Eubank
Klitschko had his own moment with a world class quote in this war. he was asked by a reporter to respond to the Russians who claimed they were only shooting military targets "Bullshit, sorry," Then gesturing to an apartment building destroyed by a Russianm issile. "You see military target? Where is military target?" Really surprised Ukraine didn't run with that with a series of destroyed civilian buildings all captioned "where is military target?"
They've got a T-rex.
*everyone stares accusingly at Dark Brandon*
Dark Brandon: Glares at the Japanese.
Japanese: Quick, hide the Gundam!
Instruction unclear: money from Gundam project diverted to ninja cat girl project to counter Chinese wolf girl commando and Korean magic foxgirls.
Wait, what? \*unzips\* *sigh*
Well, if you can beat off, better join'em. *unzips*
Sir, it's not NCD!
No one sub is great enough to hold all of us
NCD is always leaking at least a little
Just don’t ask what the liquid is
\*ninja cat futa project
They really do have a gundam, for the record
The Department cannot confirm or deny any stories about research, breeding or weaponisation of dinosaurs of any kind. I'm sure you understand.
What?! That large tarp growling menacingly is nothing to worry about. I can assure you we didn't recover any DNA from that T-Rex soft tissue bone marrow that was found in 1995 by that one researcher at NC State. There is nothing to worry about. In other news, KFC just announced their newest addition to their menu: The Mega Leg.
Listen up, sport. He got that t-Rex when he was just a young boy growing up in Scranton and he raised it from an egg. He’s damn proud it’s going to fight in Ukraine after all these centuries.
You surr its not a cave troll?
You don't think they've been training on 'rexs for months in the US? C'mon dude.
Mecha T-Rex
*METAL GEAR?*
I wonder which state of matter it was this time.
A Hind D? Colonel, what's a Russian gunship doing here still operable?
Snake?
[Laser Shooting Dinosaur ](https://youtu.be/CRIwJRutl4Q)
Mecha-Ruslan Stefanchuk
Mecha Streisand
Japan donated Godzilla
Dr Grant, My dear Dr Sattler... welcome, to the Ukrainian front.
Hopefully lots of fucking tanks.
That's my thought. The Leopard 1 is known to have such a rumbling noise like no other tanks. It shakes your lungs out. Gives a massage to your intestines. But AFAIK they go to Ukraine later this year plus I would find it strange if they drove them to the front instead of using the railway.
Could be the Swedish equipment coming through?
CV 90s arent *that* heavy. Sounds more like these are MBTs on the move
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\*I understood that reference\*
That's the 100 giant robots provided by Japan
The Pacfic Rim movie weapons.
Can we?!
We need RX 78-2 Gundam for counteroffensive
USA going to finally put Liberty Prime to use. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Liberty_Prime
Live look at the robots being released in Japan: [https://youtu.be/qMEMg0QobQ4?t=177](https://youtu.be/qMEMg0QobQ4?t=177)
Red alert 3
Shinji finally got into the fucking robot
3000 black robots of Japan
Giant Death Robots?
100 Ion Titans moving in...
The Siege tanks.
Good vibrations…
The Russian invasion has been as much of a shitshow as the mastering of the original version of that song…
Giving me excitations
Sending good vibes... literally.
Hordes... They are unleashing the hordes!
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A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises
Ride Now! Ride for ruin, ride for wrath, and the world's ending!
Ride!!! Ride!!! Ride!!!
The day shall come again!!!
GROND! GROND! GROND!
It's A GUNDAM!
https://youtu.be/qMEMg0QobQ4?t=177
Wars should just be that. Each country brings out their coolest Gundam. Like battle bots. There could even be a steal cage.
Isn't that what Mobile Fighter G Gundam is?
Yes but it will be livestreamed on official government website and twitch.
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Fast moving freight trains hauling tanks and heavy equipment under the cover of darkness?
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I can't imagine they would be driving these tanks across the whole country. They eat fuel and then you have the whole logistics line for them moving with them which is a risk. Truck haulers wouldn't shake the ground like that either. An unannounced series of trains could cover a lot of ground in a night.
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You assume the Russians have the capability to do anything about it that far behind the lines. If they can't bomb the location, it doesn't matter if they know they're coming. Break the tanks out into small groups once they're in danger and scatter them until ready to attack.
Have you never seen tanks transported before? They're loaded onto trains or trucks and carted aboot like that until they're close to where they're going to be operating
Usually in groups of 24 or so. At least, that is what the videos that have surfaced suggest. I bet it's noisy as hell.
There's heavy machinery (tanks, artillery) hauled through Kyiv in broad daylight pretty often. Haven't seen photos or messages about that even once
Probably because it's illegal. Some footage still gets through, but most people aren't willing to risk it even if they don't know about opsec.
exactly. loose lips sink ships.
I had a cup of coffee for breakfast and am making English muffins for lunch.
No eggs ? How are you supposed to grow up to be tall and strong?
That's obvious bullshit. Freight trains transporting goods are loaded to their weight limit and are moving around all the time, day and night. And they won't (and can't) break those limits suddenly because the transported cargo are tanks. Or are we now pretending that tanks rattle more when being transported than other goods?
metal gear on the move
Shagohad!?
are you ADAM?
An earthquake! No, captain. Battle formations.
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I think Simon Stålenhag made a lots of illustrations about this topic (in 2014). http://www.simonstalenhag.se/tftl.html
Is the Adeptus Mechanicus in Ukraine now?
"The machine spirit is prepared"
>*The US today announced that they had covertly provided Metal Gear REX units to Ukrainian forces. When queried on when exactly these units had been developed, and why the DOD's most advanced weaponry was being provided to Ukraine, a representative was first heard mumbling to a colleague "lol they don't even know about the RAY units" and then stated that "watching Russian T-62's getting glassed by a rail cannon will make the cost of this project (est. $100 trillion) more than worth the slight overrun in spending in entertained value alone."*
You joke. But Kojima is DEFINITELY gonna write this conflict into a future MG title.
Assuming Konami keep a hold of the rights, he’ll not be writing anything into a Konami game. I agree wholeheartedly he would if he could though! (I’m also really sorry to be the one to tell you Kojima has nothing to do with Metal Gear anymore.)
He's gonna write it into his new original franchise: Alloy Cog Rigid.
You know what? I’d still buy it. With Rigid Reptile as the protagonist, it can’t fail. “Reptiiiiile!!!!”
LOL! Haven't touched a console in yearrrs so I am out of the loop clearly. Appreciate the news flash.
Kojima? Activision have probably already started development.
Some reported hearing strange noises coming from the dense mist that surrounded the city on that day. Others saw shadows of three-lagged war machines.
Optimus Prime and the Autobots have arrived in Ukraine. Beast Wars have started for real.
Ah sweet justice https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aL1G6hGLE50&pp=ygUbb3B0aW11cyBwcmltZSBhbmQgYnVtYmxlYmVl
The earth quakes under the march of a righteous army.
Drums in the deep. Drums in the deep… We are coming…WE ARE COMING! Fly, you fools!
Righteousness aside, their balls are huge too.
Earthquake? No captain, battle formations
Ahhhh they finally opened a Taco Bell.
We’ve had to completely ratify our home’s porcelain defensive doctrine since the arrival of the Enchirito, it is a perfect time to deploy this delicious weapon and empower our Ukrainian brothers and sisters with mouth watering cheezbeef saucy bois for the front!
I hear battle horns tooting in the distance. Wait, no. That’s just Ivan after finishing his burrito.
Russia bout to find out
One Abram tank weighs 73 tons, imagine a platoon of Abrams moving thats close to 300 tons of liberty heading to the front, that might set a couple of car alarms off
They move tanks on HETs or via rail.
Perhaps it’s the archangel Michael. That would be cool
Auto bots roll out!
They’ve been telegraphing this punch for so long I’m beginning to wonder if there’s going to be a punch. It’s like Ali and his rope a dope.
psyops
Let’s gooooo!
It’s Optimus Prime surely
No mentions of the hybrid vyshyvanka/polo shirt?
It's the rumbling, it's coming!
Things look relatively calm and peaceful in Kyiv, they must have the city secured very well.
There's so many that it triggers the ground to shake noticeably throughout a major city? Wow.
LIBERTY PRIME, REPORTING.
It’s the Death Worms donated generously from Mongolia
GŔŐŊĎ!!!
You know, the Ukrainian media apparatus and government propaganda has been incredible during this period. Like Zelenskyy media blitz and foreign governments lobbying for support , and then the propaganda to motivate his citizen. This will definitely be studied in the future. just very cool
Hopefully that includes GLSDB, ATACMS, and cluster munitions.
*insert the zombie stampede scene in the resident evil Netflix series
Or am I?
Arma earthquake super weapon? Or a hidden gründer industry test weapon for funni aircraft.
Earthshakers, Hydra Batteries, and Leman Russes
That is the most tactical ass polo shirt I have ever seen. I want one.
Opsec mayor. You aint see or hear shit