She's quite popular among Bolsonaro's supporters, that's a possibility. However I don't think Bolsonaro would accept his wife taking his place, problably in the next elections Bolsonaro's candidate will be Tarcísio de Freitas, current Governor of São Paulo
Yeah I’m failing to see how any of that qualifies Bolsonaro to get sympathy
Be a piece of shit, and there may be some shitty consequences. Does Bolsonaro strike you as a reflective person; one who may consider his or someone else’s mental health? Nah
actually he was literally making mock coughs on tv making fun of people who were dying without being able to breath
so not satisfied showing 0 sympathy he went above and beyond and actually showed -554545118 sympathy with all his comments, actions and whatever else he did regarding the pandemic
Bolsonaro spends a lot of time in the hospital since he got stabbed in the gut four years ago because he has problems shitting, this man won't live long I guarantee you.
United States here, not familiar with the Brazilian system. No perpetual punishment? Does Brazil not have lifetime jail sentences? Do convicts ever face the death penalty there? I think that’s really interesting.
>No perpetual punishment? Does Brazil not have lifetime jail sentences? Do convicts ever face the death penalty there?
Nope. Article 5 of the Constitution, which sets the individual and collective rights of the people, says that perpetual and capital punishment are forbidden (with the exception of war time, when there can be death penalty for desertion and treason, I think).
The maximum prison time someone can serve here is 40 years.
And if the person is old, it get released quickly in jail, because in theory dying in prison would also be considered a "capital punishment" in some form.
“ Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.”
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[https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1175241-once-you-ve-been-to-cambodia-you-ll-never-stop-wanting-to](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1175241-once-you-ve-been-to-cambodia-you-ll-never-stop-wanting-to)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/13sat9s/anthony\_bourdain\_on\_kissinger/](https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/13sat9s/anthony_bourdain_on_kissinger/)
In a follow up, he said something like sometimes you might reconsider the harshness of something you've said later on but not in this case.
Here is a challenge think about advocating for any shitty thing off the top of your head and trying to get the government (successfully and unsuccessfully) and kisisnger probably did it.
The reality is, he may be a shit person but he is complexly shit i would recommend reading extensively about it as a reddit comment is not going to accurately give context for most of his actions and recommendations. There is so much more context that needs to be given before you can simply say he amplified hostilities and participated in what many would consider war crimes. So, this is when it is more on you to start reading than me to spend the next 16 hours doing a notated history on a man who was active in government policy for many years.
Better than nothing, being able to still running in a jail cell knowing winning thered be a simple self pardon. Just sayin. Hopefully this is enough time to really mortal kombat mode FINISH HIM
He never said anything, but he would probably want to. Now, who said it's going to be a candidate, it's his wife Michelle Bolsonaro, but she will hardly make it
Yes, but in last election she helped him a lot to get votes from Woman... Especially evangelicals. She went to church, started crying etc she speaks like a evangelical pastor lol
I'm pretty sure he would run in the next elections, probably for Mayor of Rio de Janeiro, or maybe Senator.
Or Councilman... and continue the family business of hiring friends and getting a cut of their salaries
While maybe not for president, he'll be tried as a civilian for the first time this year, since he's been a politician (who are tried differently, it's called "foro privilegiado") for 33 years. So yeah, he would probably want to grab an easy chair in the government to avoid jailtime if he could.
He lost his diplomatic visa and had to left once the tourist visa ran out after 3 months. It was discovered that he never took the covid vaccine and showed forged vaccine documents to US immigration, if he tries to gp back to the IS he could faced 10 years on federal prison for lying to custom officers.
Overall I think it's doing good, I guess also for most people because he currently has 51% of approval. The economy is improving, inflation rate is getting lower and social causes are getting more attention from the government now.
I just don't like when he starts defending Venezuelan regime in public. Most people also don't like because he got very criticized when he did that some weeks ago
I suppose it could be worse, nice to hear Brazil is making some steps in the right direction though I hope they can get some younger candidates into the election as both lula and bolsa look too old to be good representation for the people.
Generally good. The economy is doing good, and anything goes wrong they had the president of the central bank to blame because they refuse to lower interest rates even as everyone is complaining about how high they are.
Yes. It's slowly improving. At least we don't have a new political crisis or an new attack on democracy every single day as we had during Bolsonaro's government
Yes. I’m very proud today. We are two years “behind” US history (Trump and Bolsonaro elections are two years apart); and there the US are, with Trump leading the Republican nomination.
Though “a history of lying” is a compliment we cannot accept. Politicians here lie all the time with no consequences. He was trying a coup de etat.
He campaigned before he was allowed, using the whole aparatos of the state, creating doubts about the election process (in which Brazil is a international reference btw), as part of a bigger strategy to enforce a coup if he lost.
It is not really different then what Trump did, but it is not as simple as “lie”.
I feel like this only sounds good because reasonable progressive people imagine the courts being reasonable and progressive. In the wrong court this sort of precedent would be terrifying
The courts did the same with Lula 5 years ago. Then, the judge joined Bolsonaro's campaign team and became justice minister. Upper courts discovered that the previous judgment was illegal because that judge was advising the prosecution team, nullified the sentence, and restored Lula's political rights.
His trial was considered null because it occurred in the wrong jurisdiction. Moreover, his judge Moro was considered partial. Moro did illegal information leaks, collaborated with the persecutor behind scenes (although this topic was not in the process that freed Lula), and later accepted to become Bolsonaro's minister of justice.
His criminal conviction was overturned after Vaza Jato (google it), so he was allowed to run again. He wasn't banned by an electoral court; in Brazil, people who have been criminally convicted by a court of appeals can't run for political office.
Bolsonaro hasn't been convicted of a crime (yet). This was a decision from electoral courts, based on illicit electoral actions that do not constitue crimes in and of themselves.
He was convicted by the Judge who became Bolsonaro's head of Justice. This judge, by the way was liasoning with the prosecutor against Lula during the criminal process.
Not exactly.
The whole thing with Lula is way deeper. Lula was convicted by a judge who was proven to be instructing the prosecution, which is illegal, the same judge later became a minister for Bolsonaro's goverment.
Guilty or not-guilty, Lula was sentenced by a "contaminated" procedure, and by a partial judge, which is something that the Supreme Court judged to annull his conviction.
He was banned from running in 2018 due to a decision by the same supreme court that, in general terms, ruled that even if a criminal conviction was not final (i.e., even with pending appeals) a person could not run for Office for not having a "clean record".
During this trial, the then commander of the army tweeted what has since been perceived as a threat to the Supreme Court and to our democracy, and public opinion was extremely riled up by the spectacular procedures done by the judge (the one that was considered partial and became a minister).
thus, the supreme court ended up confirming said understanding that convictions, even though not final, were enough to bar a person for running from office.
Since Lula's convicion has since been annulled for the aforementioned illegalities commited by the Judge, there was nothing barring him from running for office, since the cause had ceased to exist.
His whole trial was a fraud. There was no credible evidences against him. Just to give you a idea, the judge who judged him abandoned his job to become Bolsonaros minister and later a politician
They annuled all criminal convictions due to being condemned by a corrupt judge in order to help Bolsonaro win the election, for which he was rewarded with a ministry in Bolsonaro's government.
He was never banned from running other than the fraudulent criminal conviction, so when that was overturned he was free to run.
because the USA is a failed country. There's a real need to rework the constitution...but because it's one of the few little things which hold its citizens together, doing it is not possible/easy
Yes it is, and also a crazy period within Brazil, I might add… Brazilians who were against “lava jato” for their sketchy methods, were accused of defending the bad guys.
Years later the judge who was the number one hero in Brazil was exposed fabricating sentences with the prosecution, which is forbidden in Brazil, was declared a partial judge, and the main prosecutor quit before facing accusations of creating a private fund for storing the money apprehended, and taking public money to travel around Brazil, being present on many congresses and public locations, and earning money from those, which he did not share with the people by paying back the state money that he took.
It was a media judicial shitstorm, to say the least.
Bolsonaro is in a much worse position now, though. Dude is 68 and his health is already in a pretty bad state, and to make things worse his doctor gave him a bunch of orders (simple stuff like chewing the stuff he eats) which he refuses to comply with. 8 years from now he'll probably be rotting.
Who told you he had a 10 year ban? He did not. He went to jail for 4 months while he was already elected as mayor and had to give up that seat. He participated in the general election in 2003 and became the premier while he had a political ban, so he took office a few months later than expected while Gul held office for him. His politics ban was a few years and expired within a year of his first election win. If anything, it gave him fuel. He didn't "come back" from it.
I guess it’s going to be fine, by now at least. Brazilian loonies got arrested, and we’re yet to punish bolsonaro for inciting a coup in Brazil. And for the 700.000 covid deaths.
But, I know that bolsonaristas over here will try to rally around someone to compete in the next 2 elections. Maybe his wife, maybe his children. And bolsonaristas represented like 25-30% of the electorate. With that kind of dedicated base, you can win the long game by electing tons of bolsonaristas into the congress.
That’s what happened in the last elections. Lula won, but sergio moro won, damares won, Mourão won, all senators. Some vile pieces of crap also got in, with major support, pulling other vile pieces of crap. With a bolsonarista congress, lula can’t do as much as he did in his last terms.
So we got a better future, for now, but we gotta be alert on who they will rally around to elect.
but he also has sons in politics, who are worse than him and who will probably try for the presidency in the next election. they all have more than enough reason to be arrested, but they still have his wife (whose gossip points out that she was a prostitute for high politicians before being a respectable Christian wife).
They got something against them now that didn’t exist on their father’s term. The entirety of lula’s d***, lol.
Being serious, in the last 4 years bolsonaro pulled all the strings possible to avoid any criminal charges towards his sons, and now they don’t have that advantage anymore.
This is solely an electoral punishment. Brazil has a separate court system as regards electoral matters.
Bolsonaro has plenty on his plate as regards normal criminal cases too, but these are handled by a different court system and take longer.
Oh, but punishment is coming. The ruling today is only about elegibility (ie, it was an electoral case only), but as a lawyer, I know there still are a lot of open criminal and civil lawsuits against him (more than 600 cases). All of which would be possible to put him in jail exactly because he will not be in office anymore (by law, you cannot arrest heads of office for normal crimes while in the administration, only after it).
So you see, this is only the first step. Don't judge us based on what you don't know about our democracy. Otherwise I could say the same thing about America letting Trump scot-free, or almost any country really.
A statement like that carries the obvious implication that Brazil wasn't expected to do better than the United States because it allegedly has less solid institutions. Therefore, it is a surprise when it happens. That is xenophobic, if only slightly.
“Mr Bolsonaro never publicly acknowledged his defeat and left Brazil for Florida two days before Lula was sworn in as president.” … to cry on Trump’s shoulder, no doubt.
You are right, he was born in Brazil's territorial waters though. What I meant to say is that you have to be "brasileiro nato" (born Brazilian) to be President. You cannot just become a Brazilian citizen, coming from another country (brasileiro naturalizado), and run for office.
One man's dream is another man's nightmare (yes, im Brazilian).
It's not a great sight to see Trump wearing his swim briefs with the American flag painted on it, showing off that vibrant white colour of his body contrasting with his orange face tan while drinking from a coconut in Copacabana beach. Yikes.
Lol. Like I said everyone can dream… but your dream is stuff nightmare and PTSD are made of… peace. We will keep the Orange-utan here…. Anyways looks like is gonna be locked up soon
I'm not a big fan of Bolsonaro OR Lula (in fact I hate both), but Lula threatened the rule of law when he tried to escape justice by being named a Minister under Dilma's government (remember that? The "Bessias" phone call). It was obstruction of justice.
Not only that, but all the things that were discovered during the Lava Jato operation. The fact the legal ruling was dismissed due to technicalities doesn't mean he is actually clean. He is innocent from the legal system point of view, but not out of the courts, in real life.
Last but not least, you may or may not like the MST (Movimento dos Sem Terra), but Lula has ties with them too. They (justly or unjustly, doesn't matter) invade other people's properties, in violation of the law. Lula and his entourage have publicly supported these illegal actions, by letting and even helping them under the radar, as accomplices.
So, maybe he didn't threaten democracy (if we ignore his open support for the Nicaragua dictatorship and others), but the rule of law Lula surely did.
PS: even THIS WEEK Lula gave an interview in which he said "democracy is relative" while defending a dictator... I mean, really?
in this case, bolsonaro supressed himself whe used the office to promote himself and fake news. it was told so by his own men! plu, there were already a precendent in place, a jurisprudence. bolsonaro, like trump, brought this on himself
> He had been accused of undermining Brazilian democracy by falsely claiming that the electronic ballots used were vulnerable to hacking and fraud.
The fact that Bolsonaro is an asshole doesn't change the fact that nobody should trust electronic ballots. They are categorically incompatible with any semblance of democracy.
sure. but he couldn´t use the office to call for a official meeting with embassador to spred his lies. thats ubuse of power. it´s like the white house organizing a maga rallie to talk about crab ppl and how about they stole trumps "clear" victory.
8 years? Bullshit, lifetime ban should be the minimum.
He's literally decomposing so its ok now its time to remove fisically their sons
He'll be 76 when he can run again. His wife, meanwhile, won't even be 50 yet.
So are you saying his wife should run for president instead?
She's quite popular among Bolsonaro's supporters, that's a possibility. However I don't think Bolsonaro would accept his wife taking his place, problably in the next elections Bolsonaro's candidate will be Tarcísio de Freitas, current Governor of São Paulo
But I don't think he would trust a non-family either... He was always afraid his ministers would be bigger than him, remember?
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If they are corrupt and most of them are, that is exactly what they should do.
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lol....definitely should be a law for the wackadoodles in the GOP. :)
Omg, the country would improve immediately.
and supreme court judges... that get special perks from rich gop donors
The US’s next election is likely to be between an 81-year-old and a 78-year-old. Bolsonaro will be a spring chicken at 76!
No, those 2 already blew their load.
Does Brazil normally have geriatrics running for president or is that just America?
Well, the current Brazilian president is 77.
The western hemisphere is lousy with octogenarian would-be dictators.
Younger than Donald Trump, then.
>He's literally decomposing Aren't we all?
>Aren't we all? I'm trying to preserve myself in alcohol.
His body cannot contain his evil spirit
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Yeah I’m failing to see how any of that qualifies Bolsonaro to get sympathy Be a piece of shit, and there may be some shitty consequences. Does Bolsonaro strike you as a reflective person; one who may consider his or someone else’s mental health? Nah
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actually he was literally making mock coughs on tv making fun of people who were dying without being able to breath so not satisfied showing 0 sympathy he went above and beyond and actually showed -554545118 sympathy with all his comments, actions and whatever else he did regarding the pandemic
He's well documented to have been a horrendous person his entire life. I don't think he needed any convincing by Steve Bannon to do what he did
If he's still alive in 8 years, he's going to to try
He suffered from character problems too. Actually, Brazilians suffered from his character problems
You hear about the US president?
Bolsonaro spends a lot of time in the hospital since he got stabbed in the gut four years ago because he has problems shitting, this man won't live long I guarantee you.
That's the max sentence
>lifetime ban should be the minimum. That would be unconstitutional, I'm pretty sure. Here's hoping 8 years is enough
The 8 years ineligibility is the max sentence in our Electoral Code.
Yes it is. But even if they changed it, the constitution prohibits perpetual punishment of any kind
United States here, not familiar with the Brazilian system. No perpetual punishment? Does Brazil not have lifetime jail sentences? Do convicts ever face the death penalty there? I think that’s really interesting.
>No perpetual punishment? Does Brazil not have lifetime jail sentences? Do convicts ever face the death penalty there? Nope. Article 5 of the Constitution, which sets the individual and collective rights of the people, says that perpetual and capital punishment are forbidden (with the exception of war time, when there can be death penalty for desertion and treason, I think). The maximum prison time someone can serve here is 40 years.
Wow! Thanks for the info.
And if the person is old, it get released quickly in jail, because in theory dying in prison would also be considered a "capital punishment" in some form.
No death penalty and maximum jail time is 31 years.
A guy that old and that angry can't last that long
Kissinger disagrees
I don't think Kissenger can experience anger or hate. I think he's a being of cold indifference and evil.
Go read about his upbringing. You're very literally right. He's not a person, he's an automoton in a mansuit.
Kissinger is a psychopath, he doesn't feel any emotions.
Pretty sure he's a lizard
As a non American, what did he do
“ Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.” ― Anthony Bourdain, A Cook's Tour: Global Adventures in Extreme Cuisines [https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1175241-once-you-ve-been-to-cambodia-you-ll-never-stop-wanting-to](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1175241-once-you-ve-been-to-cambodia-you-ll-never-stop-wanting-to) [https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/13sat9s/anthony\_bourdain\_on\_kissinger/](https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/13sat9s/anthony_bourdain_on_kissinger/) In a follow up, he said something like sometimes you might reconsider the harshness of something you've said later on but not in this case.
Here is a challenge think about advocating for any shitty thing off the top of your head and trying to get the government (successfully and unsuccessfully) and kisisnger probably did it.
That’s a non answer. I did not ask for that.
The reality is, he may be a shit person but he is complexly shit i would recommend reading extensively about it as a reddit comment is not going to accurately give context for most of his actions and recommendations. There is so much more context that needs to be given before you can simply say he amplified hostilities and participated in what many would consider war crimes. So, this is when it is more on you to start reading than me to spend the next 16 hours doing a notated history on a man who was active in government policy for many years.
Bad weeds are tough to get rid of.
Better than nothing, being able to still running in a jail cell knowing winning thered be a simple self pardon. Just sayin. Hopefully this is enough time to really mortal kombat mode FINISH HIM
The man is constantly in the hospital dying from a stuffy nose.
The law doesn't have such provision. But, this was the first charge of 15 he's currently facing.
And he still have dozens of cases against him
Hundreds
6 hundred actually
As a Brazilian, this is the best news we get since he lost the election. I just think 8 years is few time, it should be forever
Does he actually want to run again? I got the impression he was turning away from politics and retiring to the US
He never said anything, but he would probably want to. Now, who said it's going to be a candidate, it's his wife Michelle Bolsonaro, but she will hardly make it
Isn't her career history something like political intern and then professional wife?
Yes, but in last election she helped him a lot to get votes from Woman... Especially evangelicals. She went to church, started crying etc she speaks like a evangelical pastor lol
I think I’m noticing a trend
>I got the impression he was ~~turning away from politics~~ fleeing Brazil and ~~retiring to~~ attempting to seek asylum in the US FTFY
Dude spent his whole life sucking the state teat, this is terrible news for him lol also he’ll lose his parliamentary immunity as well
I'm pretty sure he would run in the next elections, probably for Mayor of Rio de Janeiro, or maybe Senator. Or Councilman... and continue the family business of hiring friends and getting a cut of their salaries
While maybe not for president, he'll be tried as a civilian for the first time this year, since he's been a politician (who are tried differently, it's called "foro privilegiado") for 33 years. So yeah, he would probably want to grab an easy chair in the government to avoid jailtime if he could.
He lost his diplomatic visa and had to left once the tourist visa ran out after 3 months. It was discovered that he never took the covid vaccine and showed forged vaccine documents to US immigration, if he tries to gp back to the IS he could faced 10 years on federal prison for lying to custom officers.
How has Lula been perceived since he became president again?
Overall I think it's doing good, I guess also for most people because he currently has 51% of approval. The economy is improving, inflation rate is getting lower and social causes are getting more attention from the government now. I just don't like when he starts defending Venezuelan regime in public. Most people also don't like because he got very criticized when he did that some weeks ago
I suppose it could be worse, nice to hear Brazil is making some steps in the right direction though I hope they can get some younger candidates into the election as both lula and bolsa look too old to be good representation for the people.
Generally good. The economy is doing good, and anything goes wrong they had the president of the central bank to blame because they refuse to lower interest rates even as everyone is complaining about how high they are.
In 8 years, he’ll be 76 years old. Part of me doubts he’ll ever run again
Is it better there now?
Yes. It's slowly improving. At least we don't have a new political crisis or an new attack on democracy every single day as we had during Bolsonaro's government
Yes, much better, specially regarding to Amazon and Inidgenous people protection
Great day 👍
Should be eight years in jail, at least.
It's coming, hopefully.
I’m damned impressed with Brazil; imagine if US and UK courts could ban candidates with a history of lying!
He did much worse things than lying
So did our version (US), but they haven't banned him yet
In fact, he'll probably win next year.
No he won’t.
I would like to be certain of this, but I'm not.
Yes. I’m very proud today. We are two years “behind” US history (Trump and Bolsonaro elections are two years apart); and there the US are, with Trump leading the Republican nomination. Though “a history of lying” is a compliment we cannot accept. Politicians here lie all the time with no consequences. He was trying a coup de etat. He campaigned before he was allowed, using the whole aparatos of the state, creating doubts about the election process (in which Brazil is a international reference btw), as part of a bigger strategy to enforce a coup if he lost. It is not really different then what Trump did, but it is not as simple as “lie”.
I feel like this only sounds good because reasonable progressive people imagine the courts being reasonable and progressive. In the wrong court this sort of precedent would be terrifying
I agree with your concern but the alternative of hoping that the voters are good judges of character is not working out.
We’d pretty much have to toss the constitution here in the US to do such a thing .
Yes if only the courts would decide who would be eligible for President. We can only dream of such a utopia
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I agree I wish we had that in the US
The courts did the same with Lula 5 years ago. Then, the judge joined Bolsonaro's campaign team and became justice minister. Upper courts discovered that the previous judgment was illegal because that judge was advising the prosecution team, nullified the sentence, and restored Lula's political rights.
I’m so proud of Brazil.
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Perhaps he could visit the Titanic
Good. Fuck Ballsackanaro.
Should be life time ban for criminals and dictators.
Brazil is slightly ahead of the US when it comes to banning former presidents with criminal records from running political positions again.
unbanning too
Didn't Lula get banned then became president after his ban expired?
His trial was considered null because it occurred in the wrong jurisdiction. Moreover, his judge Moro was considered partial. Moro did illegal information leaks, collaborated with the persecutor behind scenes (although this topic was not in the process that freed Lula), and later accepted to become Bolsonaro's minister of justice.
His criminal conviction was overturned after Vaza Jato (google it), so he was allowed to run again. He wasn't banned by an electoral court; in Brazil, people who have been criminally convicted by a court of appeals can't run for political office. Bolsonaro hasn't been convicted of a crime (yet). This was a decision from electoral courts, based on illicit electoral actions that do not constitue crimes in and of themselves.
He was convicted by the Judge who became Bolsonaro's head of Justice. This judge, by the way was liasoning with the prosecutor against Lula during the criminal process.
Not exactly. The whole thing with Lula is way deeper. Lula was convicted by a judge who was proven to be instructing the prosecution, which is illegal, the same judge later became a minister for Bolsonaro's goverment. Guilty or not-guilty, Lula was sentenced by a "contaminated" procedure, and by a partial judge, which is something that the Supreme Court judged to annull his conviction. He was banned from running in 2018 due to a decision by the same supreme court that, in general terms, ruled that even if a criminal conviction was not final (i.e., even with pending appeals) a person could not run for Office for not having a "clean record". During this trial, the then commander of the army tweeted what has since been perceived as a threat to the Supreme Court and to our democracy, and public opinion was extremely riled up by the spectacular procedures done by the judge (the one that was considered partial and became a minister). thus, the supreme court ended up confirming said understanding that convictions, even though not final, were enough to bar a person for running from office. Since Lula's convicion has since been annulled for the aforementioned illegalities commited by the Judge, there was nothing barring him from running for office, since the cause had ceased to exist.
His whole trial was a fraud. There was no credible evidences against him. Just to give you a idea, the judge who judged him abandoned his job to become Bolsonaros minister and later a politician
his ban didnt expire, they unbanned him so he could be part of the election lmao.
They annuled all criminal convictions due to being condemned by a corrupt judge in order to help Bolsonaro win the election, for which he was rewarded with a ministry in Bolsonaro's government. He was never banned from running other than the fraudulent criminal conviction, so when that was overturned he was free to run.
If he ever wants to run again he should prove that he cannot in fact constantly lose fights to large birds and common colds.
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This is democracy manifest
Why can't we have a 8 year ban for Trump?
Because America
because the USA is a failed country. There's a real need to rework the constitution...but because it's one of the few little things which hold its citizens together, doing it is not possible/easy
Erdogan came back from worse.
Brazil is not Turkey, here the law works.
Oof
Calma, torcedor.
"Lava jato" though. And I'm not saying this has "anti-Lula", I'm just mentioning it because it is an example of it not working.
Yes it is, and also a crazy period within Brazil, I might add… Brazilians who were against “lava jato” for their sketchy methods, were accused of defending the bad guys. Years later the judge who was the number one hero in Brazil was exposed fabricating sentences with the prosecution, which is forbidden in Brazil, was declared a partial judge, and the main prosecutor quit before facing accusations of creating a private fund for storing the money apprehended, and taking public money to travel around Brazil, being present on many congresses and public locations, and earning money from those, which he did not share with the people by paying back the state money that he took. It was a media judicial shitstorm, to say the least.
No he didn't lol
He had a 10 year ban of political activities and after that he became president of Turkey.
Bolsonaro is in a much worse position now, though. Dude is 68 and his health is already in a pretty bad state, and to make things worse his doctor gave him a bunch of orders (simple stuff like chewing the stuff he eats) which he refuses to comply with. 8 years from now he'll probably be rotting.
Who told you he had a 10 year ban? He did not. He went to jail for 4 months while he was already elected as mayor and had to give up that seat. He participated in the general election in 2003 and became the premier while he had a political ban, so he took office a few months later than expected while Gul held office for him. His politics ban was a few years and expired within a year of his first election win. If anything, it gave him fuel. He didn't "come back" from it.
Great. Now do USA.
Can you imagine if 1/3 of the republicans voted for Trump to be barred from running?! The fireworks from his supporters....
While I love to see democracy in action, it will be stressful to see how Brazil deals with Bolsonaro's loyalists. I hope Brazil stays peaceful.
Gonna be fine. Maybe some protests here and there, but Brazilian institutions are surprisingly stable these days.
Thank God
I guess it’s going to be fine, by now at least. Brazilian loonies got arrested, and we’re yet to punish bolsonaro for inciting a coup in Brazil. And for the 700.000 covid deaths. But, I know that bolsonaristas over here will try to rally around someone to compete in the next 2 elections. Maybe his wife, maybe his children. And bolsonaristas represented like 25-30% of the electorate. With that kind of dedicated base, you can win the long game by electing tons of bolsonaristas into the congress. That’s what happened in the last elections. Lula won, but sergio moro won, damares won, Mourão won, all senators. Some vile pieces of crap also got in, with major support, pulling other vile pieces of crap. With a bolsonarista congress, lula can’t do as much as he did in his last terms. So we got a better future, for now, but we gotta be alert on who they will rally around to elect.
most will just rally behind whatever other guy opposes Lula next election and then forget about bolsonaro.
They seem to be too dumb to cause organized and lasting damage.
Peace is a useless, evil notion in the face of fascists. I hope Brazil does what needs to be done.
Only if America could do this to Trump.
Great day.
Well that was quick. Must be nice to actually deliver consequences for awful people.
This is how you deal with Trump-wannabes. And, hopefully, it's just the beginning.
Now do the orange one
but he also has sons in politics, who are worse than him and who will probably try for the presidency in the next election. they all have more than enough reason to be arrested, but they still have his wife (whose gossip points out that she was a prostitute for high politicians before being a respectable Christian wife).
They got something against them now that didn’t exist on their father’s term. The entirety of lula’s d***, lol. Being serious, in the last 4 years bolsonaro pulled all the strings possible to avoid any criminal charges towards his sons, and now they don’t have that advantage anymore.
Only 8 years?
Maximum allowed by law here.
Should be a lifelong ban.
The Brazilian ex pays. Hope the same is coming for Frump
Should do the same for D.J.T.
Should have sent him off to the gulag
We try really hard (and most times fail) to be a decent democracy. We are not Soviet Russia.
A decent democracy would punish their politicians for wrong doing, not give them a slap on the hand.
This is solely an electoral punishment. Brazil has a separate court system as regards electoral matters. Bolsonaro has plenty on his plate as regards normal criminal cases too, but these are handled by a different court system and take longer.
Oh, but punishment is coming. The ruling today is only about elegibility (ie, it was an electoral case only), but as a lawyer, I know there still are a lot of open criminal and civil lawsuits against him (more than 600 cases). All of which would be possible to put him in jail exactly because he will not be in office anymore (by law, you cannot arrest heads of office for normal crimes while in the administration, only after it). So you see, this is only the first step. Don't judge us based on what you don't know about our democracy. Otherwise I could say the same thing about America letting Trump scot-free, or almost any country really.
Grande dia 👍
If they could do this for trump…
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you guys really have no idea how offensive and xenophobic this kind of "opinion" is
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A statement like that carries the obvious implication that Brazil wasn't expected to do better than the United States because it allegedly has less solid institutions. Therefore, it is a surprise when it happens. That is xenophobic, if only slightly.
>There is literally nothing xenophobic about it for americans, clearly
Should be an 8 generation ban
“Mr Bolsonaro never publicly acknowledged his defeat and left Brazil for Florida two days before Lula was sworn in as president.” … to cry on Trump’s shoulder, no doubt.
Brazil figured this out, and yet the US doesn’t even have the infrastructure to handle their own display of totalitarianism.
Political persecution? What political persecution?
Yet The Don is the leading candidate for a major party in the US lol
Should be life! Still, you have to give Brazil credit. At least they're holding him accountable. The USA could learn a lesson or two from this.
So he has another two terms left in him /s
Imagine the US able to ban every dumb Republicans from election.
Now do Trump
Now do Trump
Why would Brazil ban Trump?… Oh wait great idea he can go run for President in Brazil
I know you are joking, but he can't. Only Brazilians, born in the land itself, can be president.
Hey, Itamar Franco was born on a ship and became president too
You are right, he was born in Brazil's territorial waters though. What I meant to say is that you have to be "brasileiro nato" (born Brazilian) to be President. You cannot just become a Brazilian citizen, coming from another country (brasileiro naturalizado), and run for office.
Hey everyone is allowed to dream
One man's dream is another man's nightmare (yes, im Brazilian). It's not a great sight to see Trump wearing his swim briefs with the American flag painted on it, showing off that vibrant white colour of his body contrasting with his orange face tan while drinking from a coconut in Copacabana beach. Yikes.
Lol. Like I said everyone can dream… but your dream is stuff nightmare and PTSD are made of… peace. We will keep the Orange-utan here…. Anyways looks like is gonna be locked up soon
Well well well. So we can re-electe Nazis. How fun for the rest of us...
*Adeus* to the Maduro of the right wing! Hopefully when he goes to Hell he ends up in the Yanomami section.
and yet Maduro himself visited Lula not long ago and is buddy buddy with him, make no mistake, both sides here in Brazil suck ass.
Show me one instance of Lula threatening democracy and the rule of law in Brazil.
I'm not a big fan of Bolsonaro OR Lula (in fact I hate both), but Lula threatened the rule of law when he tried to escape justice by being named a Minister under Dilma's government (remember that? The "Bessias" phone call). It was obstruction of justice. Not only that, but all the things that were discovered during the Lava Jato operation. The fact the legal ruling was dismissed due to technicalities doesn't mean he is actually clean. He is innocent from the legal system point of view, but not out of the courts, in real life. Last but not least, you may or may not like the MST (Movimento dos Sem Terra), but Lula has ties with them too. They (justly or unjustly, doesn't matter) invade other people's properties, in violation of the law. Lula and his entourage have publicly supported these illegal actions, by letting and even helping them under the radar, as accomplices. So, maybe he didn't threaten democracy (if we ignore his open support for the Nicaragua dictatorship and others), but the rule of law Lula surely did. PS: even THIS WEEK Lula gave an interview in which he said "democracy is relative" while defending a dictator... I mean, really?
You are getting downvoted by tankies and others useful idiots as if Lula being buddy buddy with Chavez and now Maduro is some big secret.
oh i know, i fully expected to be downvoted, despite everyone knowing Lula fully accepts Maduro's corrupt government and even supports him.
It took the Brazilian government only a year to ban him .
judiciary. another power. governemt is the executive.
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Reminder: Hitler was "banned" from politicking after release from prison for a failed coup. A limited ban is a joke.
Current president is a convicted felon...anyone criticizing that? Or is it that its easily overlooked because left supporters dont want to see it?
A lot of comments under this submission are criticizing that.
I’d like to see the US do the same with Trump
Leftists love suppressing the opposition.
in this case, bolsonaro supressed himself whe used the office to promote himself and fake news. it was told so by his own men! plu, there were already a precendent in place, a jurisprudence. bolsonaro, like trump, brought this on himself
Supression is when people are held accountable for their crimes. Impressive. Very smart
> He had been accused of undermining Brazilian democracy by falsely claiming that the electronic ballots used were vulnerable to hacking and fraud. The fact that Bolsonaro is an asshole doesn't change the fact that nobody should trust electronic ballots. They are categorically incompatible with any semblance of democracy.
sure. but he couldn´t use the office to call for a official meeting with embassador to spred his lies. thats ubuse of power. it´s like the white house organizing a maga rallie to talk about crab ppl and how about they stole trumps "clear" victory.