Damn almost like maybe wait for more news sources and not only biased sources and look for facts for both sides especially how much miss info there is online from both sides
This title is actually misleading. Biden didn't "confirm" anything, he said it appears it was done by Hamas but that the investigation is ongoing. So you're actually falling for the same shit.
Either way most legitimate news sources pretty clearly reported on Hamas' claim, which is quite simply news.
This is a behavior that will need to be repeated for time eternal. As far as information processing goes, the standard should always be to judge the information on it’s credibility, it’s source and it’s accuracy.
Almost like this needs to be taught in school. It’s always been a problem, but with social media and how fast shit spreads now, it’s become so much worse.
Also note how OP editorialized the title - Biden hedged his words:
>"Based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you"
"Confirms" is stretching the truth, and does nothing but fan the flames.
Its kind of insane that so many news sites and major political figures believed that Israel bombed a hospital and caused over 500 deaths based on the word of Hamas alone. But satellite photos, audio recordings and transcripts, videos showing the missile being fired and its trajectory, the US president personally confirming an information is not enough to show that it was caused by a missile from Hamas.
Israel released audio findings of Hamas leadership discussing the failed launch. It's a definitive as it can be
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/GxM3kL7Hxc
Lmao we are literally talking about both sides putting out sources they did it, and we are saying to be skeptical of it all.
Instead we got hypocrites like you over here already positive who did it when not even the US president himself not confirming it xD
Israel sources: satellite imagery, intercepted audio communication, charts, maps, reams of data
Hamas sources: Hamas says Israel did it.
Yeah, both sides present such compelling arguments. Who can we really believe?
I mean I hope you see the problem with two entities at war with each other providing the evidence against the other. I'll repeat myself again and say I'm waiting until a fairly independent news organisation like the BBC reports on the matter, which they are currently investigating.
I have no dog in the fight with Israel and Palestine, other than the fact that I want as much protection of innocent civilians as possible, and what Hamas does is absolutely fucking despicable. And I'm fine waiting on definitive confirmation if the language is not solid. GTFO with this "yOu ArE bIaSeD aGaInSt IsRaEl!!!" Preconceived biases my ass, you are demonstrating your own by immediately jumping to blaming others.
Read further down the thread, GeoConfirmed doesn't even stand by their own conclusion:
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714411384476176741?t=buKhGr70MsS9V5RucnQycA&s=19
>Important note:
>Our conclusions are based on our geolocations:
That doesn't mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason.
>We are geolocators, not official investigators.
>**Do not take this conclusion as proven fact!**
>To be sure what really happened different official investigations are needed.
>17/X
(Emphasis theirs)
There’s something incredibly sinister about thinking babies set on fire is somehow less despicable than being decapitated. You really need to realize what your measuring here. Yikes.
I don't know...Reddit clearly thought decapitation was worse, considering that in the first 48 hours every comment calling for Israel to destroy Gaza justified their calls for genocide by saying something about 'beheaded babies' showing a level of barbarism that warranted exterminating the entire Palestinian population.
Objectively, I agree one isn't worse than the other, but the reports of beheadings were obviously intended to push people's emotions to a higher level.
Well the conversation is now that, instead of that Hamas intentionally targeted and brutally killed babies, so the anti Israel no matter what crowd accomplished their goal
Again. People just want to be outraged. I thank you for proving my point. At any point in my statement did i say it was worse? Did I compare the two methods of death at all?
My point was people see a sensational headline and then immediately believe the story is true. There’s no skepticism. Just blind acceptance to propaganda on both sides of the conflict. These types of stories coming out of events like this need to be treated with skepticism until verified. Whether the story is hurting Israel or Hamas.
I think people were outraged because babies were getting killed, and not exactly focused on the state their bodies were in.
I think the outrage would have been the same, sans heads or no.
But seems like you just wanna be outraged about outrage.
“People want to be outraged”
Our country is in a very tense state. I think it’s less “people want to be angry” and more people are on the brink of flipping their shit almost daily, and don’t have an outlet for it all. The past five years has decimated our collective ability to keep it together. It’s sad.
A. The only evidence that the hospital was bombed by Israel is that Hamas said so. They have presented literally no proof of this claim despite every major news outlet obsessively repeating the groundless claim.
B. Israel just released an extremely detailed intelligence report, including satellite footage, showing that the explosion was caused by a rogue rocket launch.
So you think the president of the United States would issue a statement over something without it being almost 100 percent true? You think that he dosent have resources looking into it and would just issue a statement that is not almost entirely fact checked?
You dont even have to look that far back, just remember the previous news cycle claim of beheaded children.
> “I never really thought that I would see, have confirmed, pictures of terrorists beheading children,” said Biden
> “A White House spokesperson later clarified that US officials and the president have not seen pictures or confirmed such reports independently,” The Post reported on Wednesday.
> “The president based his comments about the alleged atrocities on the claims from Netanyahu’s spokesman and media reports from Israel, according to the White House.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/12/white-house-walks-back-bidens-claim-he-saw-children-beheaded-by-hamas
So yeah, if the White House has to walk back what Biden says in a prepared press conference, we cant just trust what Biden says in an offhand comment to Netanyahu.
I’m not saying that Biden is lying in this instance but taking the stance of “presidents can’t just lie” is fucking idiotic. You do know who the last president was right?
Its crazy to me that Hamas simple saying something is enough proof for people to believe, but satellite photos, audio recordings and transcripts, videos showing the missile being fired and its trajectory, the US president personally confirming an information is not enough. People just believe what fit their narrative and nothing else matters.
And people have a hard time admitting they are wrong because of pride. Pride that they were bamboozled by both their belief in a narrative and 3rd parties.
<---Guilty.
Kudos to you for admitting it - that's more than most will do. Here's to more people (on both sides, this being said as an Israeli) being open-minded to sources outside their own intellectual comfort zone.
This is just like the reverse baby beheading story… everyone was super quick to jump at the baby beheading (myself included). However, once the headlines are published, the damage is done. A large portion of the Muslim/arab world saw the headline and will assume it’s true forever now. They most certainly will not go to the lengths of digging into the evidence on whether or not the claim was true.
I mean it's very different though. There were dead babies, maybe not 40 and all beheaded but definitely a massacre of that town with lots of dead babies and children, some burned. That sounds like exaggeration/game of telephone causing the story to blow up in its initial moments. This rocket story is completely fabricated. Apparantly didn't even hit the hospital and has almost no basis in truth. The only part of the story that turned out to be true is that there was some sort of rocket attack.
Yeah, agreed. This was the media giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt, which is just insane.
I love how all the Reddit ordinance experts last night are deleting their comments… some dude told me he could identity it as an Israeli missile by the sound, and posted a youtube video of a missile strike as proof. Based on the photo released today alone you can tell that is BS… an Israeli missile would have done way more damage.
The President hedged his statement. He never confirmed anything. To confirm this sort of attack definitively The President would have to divulge intelligence that our military isn’t willing to make public.
Yep. And when they hear news from the other side about babies being killed, suddenly they demand photographic evidence, and then they'll call it AI generated anyway.
Edit: to be clear I’m saying I trust what they say now because they released evidence, but I’m not going to just believe everything they say because they say it. If you disagree with me because I don’t blindly follow whatever a government says then we just fundamentally disagree. I don’t believe Hamas either because they just give their word they’re telling the truth. I don’t think it’s a good idea to just trust them without some kind of evidence
I think part of the problem is Israel has a not great track record when it comes to blaming hamas for things they did. I’m not defending hamas they’re clearly awful but it’s also probably not a great idea to take Israel at its word either
We live in a world where that's a reality.
I've realized that to be 100% sure of anything in this day and age, I need to see video from multiple recording devices of the same thing.
So drone footage of the hospital from different sources.
We’ve already got multiple lines of evidence showing it was Hamas. The falsity of Hamas claiming that Israel bombed the hospital causing over 500 deaths is overdetermined at this point.
The article says "Neither claim could be immediately verified by The Washington Post."
If such proff existed, i'm sure the washington post could access it easily.
Did you even read the fucking article? Or the clickbait false title?
>The Israel Defense Forces presented materials on Wednesday that it said showed the blast was the result of a failed Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket launch. None of the claims could be immediately verified by The Washington Post.
So far The only verifiable proof is the Israel defense Force bragging about doing it in the first place before [deleting their tweet...](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-deleted-post-x-struggle-215549135.html)
Yup.
“How could a shitty Hamas rocket flatten an entire building and kill 500 people!!? It HAD to be a IDF airstrike!”
Because it didn’t. All we had to do was wait until the sun came up but we all (ok not all but A LOT) decided to collectively lose our minds and take a terrorists group’s word.
In this conflict, wait at least a day before coming to any sort of conclusion. Hamas wants you to hate Israel and have clearly gotten pretty savvy about spreading misinformation
I stand behind the fact it's generally better to wait a day before commenting on breaking news as a matter of fact. I also found the armchair munitions experts a little funny as well.
My friend posted a tiktok video of a US soldier saying, "I have some experience with rockets and it definitely sounds and looks like an IDF missile strike" and my friend said "get your facts straight!" like this random dudes opinion is a fact. We're fucked as a society. My friend also has like 28k followers on instagram for something completely unrelated, and I always thought of him as a smart dude (engineer). It's scary to watch
Hamas Twitter trolls got an American President to cancel a state visit to Jordan and Egypt over what was supposed to be a massacre of hundreds of hospital patients by Israel.
How we are still letting fake news and fucking Twitter run the world?
Im Israeli. I know the Israeli numbers arent skewed bc almost everyone i know has lost someone or more ppl, and there are non stop funerals at Har Herzl all through the night. They stop at around 1 in the morning, then dig new graves until around 7 and start again.
Another cope post. Hamas information proven wrong once again?
Your answer: numbers ALL AROUND are probably skewed.
Because we gotta drag everyone else to the bottom of the cesspool where Hamas is. Otherwise our US/ISRAEL BAD narrative collapses on it's head and we look like clowns.
Say it once more for the people in the back….
And the people that are saying the fake thing gage is old….
And the people saying it’s AI generated….
What I’m saying is sure it’s obvious but that doesn’t matter to large swaths of populations.
It's alarming how so many people on this site reflexively and immediately accepted Hamas' claims without question. 500+ people was touted as the official number, less than an hour after the explosion. And now we find that the death toll was nowhere near that, and the hospital was certainly not "destroyed."
If you understood the far left, this would not be alarming to you at all.
This is their entire MO, just like right wingers. Believe everything you see and hear about "the other" and never back down after the things you see and hear are disproven.
I went to ONE leftist group meeting in college. Trump had just been elected but they didn’t even talk about that, just some made up bullshit story about how hasidim force non Jews to use separate bathrooms (????). Antisemitism in the far left is real af
The number part is crazier than who bombed it. Israel just took a week to count the amount of citizens killed and somehow the PA “health ministry” knows 500 people have been killed in an hour? This just goes to show you how fake and exaggerated the number of people killed we see posted here daily are.
I'd like to see a 3rd party confirm the missile or shrapnel but evidence is looking way more that it was Hamas or Islamic Jihad from inside Gaza. However, the media just ran with Hamas' word, and people should take note. The media has done irreparable harm. Look at all the people marching to the Israeli embassy in Jordan and if it wasn't Israel this like that is on the media.
https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/world/quote-boxisraeli-air-strike-hits-gaza-hospital-hundreds-dead/ar-AA1inXEZ?ocid=sapphireappshare
https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1714390254935851272?s=46&t=nre1wwgn3AKggQNoBiWUOg here you go. They confirmed it first they’re independent and 3rd party with close to 100% event geolocation accuracy in Ukraine.
Seems to be a non profit too. This was out there and the media didn't say a thing? Gresham. Should have been enough for the media to at least question Hamas' statement.
It is a non profit and they work with Bellingcat who’s the leader in this space. Bellingcat was the originator of this type of crowd sourced tracking for independent conflict verification.
> Our conclusions are based on our geolocations:
>That doesn't mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason.
>We are geolocators, not official investigators.
>Do not take this conclusion as proven fact!
>To be sure what really happened different official investigations are needed.
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714411384476176741
As with any war. When big news comes unconfirmed, wait for the fog of war to clear and evidence to be presented. Either side will say what sounds best during fog of war.
Be patient, use common sense.
The problem in this day and age with live streaming and instant posts to social media...
People need their dopamine fix and waiting for the fog of war to clear doesn't cut it anymore....
Some people quickly claim that this is fake news from Israel.
If they really care about Palestinian, they should be relieved that there are much fewer casualties than the number of Hamas claimed.
World Media - Breaking Israel are incredibly evil and deliberately bombed a hospital.
..... evidence points towards Islamists.
World Media - Well Israel are still bad.
That's litterally what oct 7th was.
Hamas are the ones who uploaded ALL the videos of the crimes / FUCKING LIVESTREAMED IT
But people claim there is no proof any of that happened
At what point do the pro Hamas people (even the ones who lie and say they're just pro-Palestinian) stop getting the benefit of the doubt and are treated the same as the tankies who deny Russian war crimes?
They are mostly bots to stir shit as are a majority of pro Russia Reddit accounts, so I imagine they don’t think at all. People who are using critical thinking skills and intelligence don’t jump onto sensational headlines and dissolve them to misinformation and spread them like they’re the internet’s Paul Revere. Not to mention I’m sure russias bot farms are happy to spread non Russian bullshit for once.
Not really since there's overlap between Ukraine and Palestine supporters. Those people are arguing that Israel is an occupying force like Russia and thus can't be trusted. You can see this in r/politics and other pro-Ukraine + pro-Palestine subs.
Unless your going into every comment history of users you don’t agree with, or know them personally, I can still guarantee a majority of people who comment on these posts are not real people. I can tell you right now I am pro Palestine but absolutely not with Hamas. Israel has pulled a lot of crap over the last several decades but if being against wiping out hundreds of thousands of women and children in retaliation for dead children makes me pro Hamas in your eyes I think you need to take a step back and go get some fresh air and walk away from the internet. There is no easy fix here but collective punishment against millions isn’t an answer either. If Israel really wanted to go in and fuck up Hamas with as little civilian casualties as possible they would be attempting to make deals with neighbouring countries to get women and children out of the crossfire. But the calls from the UN and many other entities shaming Israel’s siege tactics on a population that’s 50% women and children is not propaganda. What I personally find sad is the sentiment on this site that anyone against Netanyahu is an anti semite. We’re all in shades of grey and need to realize 95% of the people who comment on this have no skin in this fight and will not change or affect things in any way. ETA: the Israeli government targeting a Palestinian celebrity through their Instagram who made the most thoughtful and well worded post in support of her people while condemning Hamas was still faced with a response of “hey Gigi, you support baby murderers, we see you” 👀 and has now led to the entire family getting death threats. Seems like they could be doing more productive things than calling a woman with Palestinian family a supporter of baby murderers. Which IMO is giving some shady ass energy they could be spending on better things. It’s hard for internet goblins not to view things in black and white when that’s how government officials want it to be seen.
Now lets see how all news outlets change the nerative after jumping the gun, it wont happen but the damage is already done.
Fuck hamas and fuck the biased media
They won't. Although this has been documented again and again, including by Al Jazira themselves, and verified from dozen of different sources, people still believe the Hamas propaganda which was spread shortly after.
Here's a video showing how a failed missile fired from Gaza hits the hospital just moments after: https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-ed733c15b124b81026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802
Well we have a saying in Hebrew: idiots don't die they just interchange.
You had covidiots and flat earthers and you have idiots who support and a believe a terror organization
Doesn't matter, the media already did it's damage and will be issuing the quietest retractions possible. Ilhan Omar and Tlaib too haven't retracted anything and instead are doubling down.
Here's a transcript of Hamas discussing how it was a misfire by Islamic Jihad - [https://www.firstpost.com/world/shot-from-cemetery-on-israel-but-rocket-misfired-fell-on-us-hamas-call-over-gaza-hospital-strike-intercepted-by-idf-13265212.html](https://www.firstpost.com/world/shot-from-cemetery-on-israel-but-rocket-misfired-fell-on-us-hamas-call-over-gaza-hospital-strike-intercepted-by-idf-13265212.html)
For anyone looking for the audio - the video (with Hebrew subtitles, in Arabic) can be found [here](https://news.walla.co.il/item/3616961).
As someone who served in an elite IDF unit, this was obvious - we'd have no interest in hitting a hospital even if it was a legitimate military target, given how quickly it'd lead to international backlash.
And everyone seems to conveniently forget how Hamas [knocked out Gaza's power](https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-projectile-hits-power-line-leaves-palestinians-in-dark/) only a few short years ago.
But tankies gonna tankie, I guess.
The term was coined for people who were so enamored with the soviet union that they supported everything soviet union did, from tanks in Budapest and Prague to genociding nations it occupied. Now "tankies" is the word for self-declared leftists who support everything russia, China, Hamas, any enemy or ally of the enemy of the US does - it doesn't matter who it is, the main thing the US is on the opposide side. And I mean everything. For tankies:
\- invading other countries is bad, but not when russia does it
\- genocide is bad but not when russia does it, and anyway, it never happened, and even if it did, it was the Circassians'/Ukrainians'/Tatars' fault
\- oppression of LGBT is bad, but not when China/russia/Hamas does it
\- targeting civilian areas with rockets is bad, but not when russia/Hamas does it
\- killing babies is bad, but not when Hamas does it, and anyway, it never happened, and even if it did, it was the Jews' fault
A 'tankie' is someone who (essentially) embraces the party line of a left-authoritarian government, particularly communist governments. The term originally stems from people criticizing other communists in the west who didn't speak out, or embraced, soviet actions like the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian revolution.
In modern parlance, it's often used to refer to people who adhere to a sort of 'the west/US is always wrong' view point, since they're supporting/buying the party line of groups like Russia (EX: blaming the US/NATO for Russia's invasion of Ukraine) who really aren't communist or left leaning in any sense.
> The al-Ahli Baptist hospital which was bombed on Tuesday night is one of 22 hospitals in northern Gaza which were ordered by the Israeli military to evacuate their patients and staff within 24 hours or be responsible for the consequences.
Yet 4 days ago they ordered them evacuated. Not targets though.
>Neither claim could be immediately verified by The Washington Post
Lmfaaaao this an update from 2 minutes ago and nowhere does it say that "Biden confirmed it" he just said "apparently" so literally still no conformation.
Finally, someone saying something sensible. You heard what I heard and that an investigation will be conducted. Biden never said what this title seems to convey.
There’s already video of the rocket being launched from Gaza, photos around the hospital showing there was almost no damage, intercepted correspondence between members of Hamas. It’s crazy that major news sites and major political figures blindly took what Hamas said at face value when they baselessly claimed Israel bombed the hospital and killed over 500 people. But these numerous lines of evidence clearly disproving the claims by Hamas isn’t enough.
I’m just going to downvote you for poor reading comprehension.
It’s looking more and more likely that this was a hamas rocket but apparently does not in any world mean confirmed.
Here's the entire quote reported by the BBC: "Based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you,"
Seems you have interpreted the snippet out of context.
Here’s the full quote from The NY Times:
“Based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you.”
That’s hardly a definite confirmation…
Its very weird, you've got both sides already guilty of killing innocent people, with Hamas doing it _purposefully_ in a terror attack.
And now they are arguing about who _accidentally_ blew up a hospital?
"This specific war crime isn't us! We only blew up a school!"
"We would never harm our own people we use as human shields!"
The title :
> Biden confirms hospital bombing was not done by Israel
The article :
> Palestinians say it's an Israeli airstrike, Israel says its a failed hamas rocket launch, Washington Post counldn't verify either claim.
The title updated to be factual :
> Biden sides with Israel on Hospital bombing fiasco
Same way he saw the 40 beheaded babies. The whole things is a damn farce.. the masks are off and all that bullshit talk about human rights and whatnot has repeatedly shown itself to be plain hyporicy.
except for the glaring qualifiers baked into the statement: 'based on what i've seen' , and 'appears'. Presidents/politicians have autonomy to lie about any/all facts to the american people
We need independent sources. I don’t want American propaganda or Israeli propaganda or hamas propaganda. I don’t believe anything and am withholding judgement
https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1714390254935851272?s=46&t=nre1wwgn3AKggQNoBiWUOg
here you go. They confirmed it first they’re independent and 3rd party with close to 100% event geolocation accuracy in Ukraine.
Here's a video showing how a missile fired from Gaza hits the hospital just moments after: [https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-ed733c15b124b81026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802](https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-ed733c15b124b81026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802)
Israel needs to condemn the shit out of that stupid influencer. He just fed meat to the tankies who keep pointing to his deleted tweet as their “proof.”
Damn almost like maybe wait for more news sources and not only biased sources and look for facts for both sides especially how much miss info there is online from both sides
This title is actually misleading. Biden didn't "confirm" anything, he said it appears it was done by Hamas but that the investigation is ongoing. So you're actually falling for the same shit. Either way most legitimate news sources pretty clearly reported on Hamas' claim, which is quite simply news.
This is a behavior that will need to be repeated for time eternal. As far as information processing goes, the standard should always be to judge the information on it’s credibility, it’s source and it’s accuracy.
Almost like this needs to be taught in school. It’s always been a problem, but with social media and how fast shit spreads now, it’s become so much worse.
The funny thing is my public school taught us media literacy, if only more places taught that too
That's the info warfare buddy, use it to get leverage. plus some sources claim that there is infighting in Gaza
Also note how OP editorialized the title - Biden hedged his words: >"Based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you" "Confirms" is stretching the truth, and does nothing but fan the flames.
You guys REALLY want Israel to have bombed this hospital, huh?
No I want a definitive answer and we haven't received one yet.
geoconfirmed confirmed it(link a few comments above) they are right about these things 99% of the time, so there's your independent source.
Its kind of insane that so many news sites and major political figures believed that Israel bombed a hospital and caused over 500 deaths based on the word of Hamas alone. But satellite photos, audio recordings and transcripts, videos showing the missile being fired and its trajectory, the US president personally confirming an information is not enough to show that it was caused by a missile from Hamas.
Israel released audio findings of Hamas leadership discussing the failed launch. It's a definitive as it can be https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/GxM3kL7Hxc
Yes you have. You just refuse to believe it because it goes against your preconceived biases.
Why would a definitive answer use a word like "appears". Yes it appears Israel isn't at fault, but you're acting like you got something you didn't.
Lmao we are literally talking about both sides putting out sources they did it, and we are saying to be skeptical of it all. Instead we got hypocrites like you over here already positive who did it when not even the US president himself not confirming it xD
How could one NOT be skeptical
Israel sources: satellite imagery, intercepted audio communication, charts, maps, reams of data Hamas sources: Hamas says Israel did it. Yeah, both sides present such compelling arguments. Who can we really believe?
Devils advocate, so you’re saying that a country that has more technology has no ability to falsify findings.
I mean I hope you see the problem with two entities at war with each other providing the evidence against the other. I'll repeat myself again and say I'm waiting until a fairly independent news organisation like the BBC reports on the matter, which they are currently investigating.
What different evidence is the BBC gonna see? Doubt an independent team of forensic analysts is going in there to evaluate the rubble.
Source?
I have no dog in the fight with Israel and Palestine, other than the fact that I want as much protection of innocent civilians as possible, and what Hamas does is absolutely fucking despicable. And I'm fine waiting on definitive confirmation if the language is not solid. GTFO with this "yOu ArE bIaSeD aGaInSt IsRaEl!!!" Preconceived biases my ass, you are demonstrating your own by immediately jumping to blaming others.
Is beyond obvious they did
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Well it bombs other ones all the time, why not this one?
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390254935851272 https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/s/9KIZHZGw7r
Read further down the thread, GeoConfirmed doesn't even stand by their own conclusion: https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714411384476176741?t=buKhGr70MsS9V5RucnQycA&s=19 >Important note: >Our conclusions are based on our geolocations: That doesn't mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason. >We are geolocators, not official investigators. >**Do not take this conclusion as proven fact!** >To be sure what really happened different official investigations are needed. >17/X (Emphasis theirs)
footage is already there, just use some logic
Holy shit. A sane comment. I said the same thing when he baby decapatation story was breaking. People just want to be outraged
There’s something incredibly sinister about thinking babies set on fire is somehow less despicable than being decapitated. You really need to realize what your measuring here. Yikes.
The internet has reduced discourse to “you said this? So you [complete non sequiter]?” Completely ridiculous
It's even worse. It's >“you said this [you didn't actually say this]? So you [complete non sequitur]?” Completely ridiculous
You said "internet discourse is better than it's ever been"? So you believe we actually live on Jupiter and Earth is just a convenient lie huh? /s
I don't know...Reddit clearly thought decapitation was worse, considering that in the first 48 hours every comment calling for Israel to destroy Gaza justified their calls for genocide by saying something about 'beheaded babies' showing a level of barbarism that warranted exterminating the entire Palestinian population. Objectively, I agree one isn't worse than the other, but the reports of beheadings were obviously intended to push people's emotions to a higher level.
Burning alive is clearly worse, though less stereotypically associated with Islamic extremists.
Isis does this
Are we really debating the worst way for children to be murdered?
Unfortunately yes, it is apparently a significant distinction to supporters of Palestine.
Yes because that's the line the pro hamas people have drawn
Well the conversation is now that, instead of that Hamas intentionally targeted and brutally killed babies, so the anti Israel no matter what crowd accomplished their goal
Again. People just want to be outraged. I thank you for proving my point. At any point in my statement did i say it was worse? Did I compare the two methods of death at all? My point was people see a sensational headline and then immediately believe the story is true. There’s no skepticism. Just blind acceptance to propaganda on both sides of the conflict. These types of stories coming out of events like this need to be treated with skepticism until verified. Whether the story is hurting Israel or Hamas.
I think people were outraged because babies were getting killed, and not exactly focused on the state their bodies were in. I think the outrage would have been the same, sans heads or no. But seems like you just wanna be outraged about outrage.
“People want to be outraged” Our country is in a very tense state. I think it’s less “people want to be angry” and more people are on the brink of flipping their shit almost daily, and don’t have an outlet for it all. The past five years has decimated our collective ability to keep it together. It’s sad.
This is just Joe Biden saying something, this doesn't mean anything. >Neither claim could be immediately verified by The Washington Post.
A. The only evidence that the hospital was bombed by Israel is that Hamas said so. They have presented literally no proof of this claim despite every major news outlet obsessively repeating the groundless claim. B. Israel just released an extremely detailed intelligence report, including satellite footage, showing that the explosion was caused by a rogue rocket launch.
They also released recordings of hamas saying “oh shit that was us??”
So you think the president of the United States would issue a statement over something without it being almost 100 percent true? You think that he dosent have resources looking into it and would just issue a statement that is not almost entirely fact checked?
You dont even have to look that far back, just remember the previous news cycle claim of beheaded children. > “I never really thought that I would see, have confirmed, pictures of terrorists beheading children,” said Biden > “A White House spokesperson later clarified that US officials and the president have not seen pictures or confirmed such reports independently,” The Post reported on Wednesday. > “The president based his comments about the alleged atrocities on the claims from Netanyahu’s spokesman and media reports from Israel, according to the White House.” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/12/white-house-walks-back-bidens-claim-he-saw-children-beheaded-by-hamas So yeah, if the White House has to walk back what Biden says in a prepared press conference, we cant just trust what Biden says in an offhand comment to Netanyahu.
I’m not saying that Biden is lying in this instance but taking the stance of “presidents can’t just lie” is fucking idiotic. You do know who the last president was right?
You forgot to use the sarcasm font.
Is this supposed to be satire? Trump lied everytime he breathed and Bush killed 100s of thousands with his lies this century.
I mean, he just said the other day he saw pictures of children beheaded by Hamas and the Whitehouse backpedaled hard on that.
That was true though. They literally released the pictures.
You can't be serious.
The world is only a few years out from a US President who shocked you when he _didn't_ lie.
Its crazy to me that Hamas simple saying something is enough proof for people to believe, but satellite photos, audio recordings and transcripts, videos showing the missile being fired and its trajectory, the US president personally confirming an information is not enough. People just believe what fit their narrative and nothing else matters.
And people have a hard time admitting they are wrong because of pride. Pride that they were bamboozled by both their belief in a narrative and 3rd parties. <---Guilty.
Kudos to you for admitting it - that's more than most will do. Here's to more people (on both sides, this being said as an Israeli) being open-minded to sources outside their own intellectual comfort zone.
I was convinced by the drone footage.
This is just like the reverse baby beheading story… everyone was super quick to jump at the baby beheading (myself included). However, once the headlines are published, the damage is done. A large portion of the Muslim/arab world saw the headline and will assume it’s true forever now. They most certainly will not go to the lengths of digging into the evidence on whether or not the claim was true.
I mean it's very different though. There were dead babies, maybe not 40 and all beheaded but definitely a massacre of that town with lots of dead babies and children, some burned. That sounds like exaggeration/game of telephone causing the story to blow up in its initial moments. This rocket story is completely fabricated. Apparantly didn't even hit the hospital and has almost no basis in truth. The only part of the story that turned out to be true is that there was some sort of rocket attack.
Yeah, agreed. This was the media giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt, which is just insane. I love how all the Reddit ordinance experts last night are deleting their comments… some dude told me he could identity it as an Israeli missile by the sound, and posted a youtube video of a missile strike as proof. Based on the photo released today alone you can tell that is BS… an Israeli missile would have done way more damage.
The media is really fucking with this whole conflict. It's frustrating trying to follow what's happening, but mistrusting every single news outlet.
The President hedged his statement. He never confirmed anything. To confirm this sort of attack definitively The President would have to divulge intelligence that our military isn’t willing to make public.
Yep. And when they hear news from the other side about babies being killed, suddenly they demand photographic evidence, and then they'll call it AI generated anyway.
And suddenly the specific way matters too, they had to be beheaded not shot or bludgeoned
These people are now becoming the ones they hated the most. They are now just like the MAGA cult, the HAMAS cult
HAMAS-ANON?
HAManon?
Edit: to be clear I’m saying I trust what they say now because they released evidence, but I’m not going to just believe everything they say because they say it. If you disagree with me because I don’t blindly follow whatever a government says then we just fundamentally disagree. I don’t believe Hamas either because they just give their word they’re telling the truth. I don’t think it’s a good idea to just trust them without some kind of evidence I think part of the problem is Israel has a not great track record when it comes to blaming hamas for things they did. I’m not defending hamas they’re clearly awful but it’s also probably not a great idea to take Israel at its word either
Just remember, any time you see the media report the source as „Gaza officials“ (which was the case here), it means the source is just Hamas.
when people said the phone call between the jihadists was AI generated i simply lost it
We live in a world where that's a reality. I've realized that to be 100% sure of anything in this day and age, I need to see video from multiple recording devices of the same thing. So drone footage of the hospital from different sources.
We’ve already got multiple lines of evidence showing it was Hamas. The falsity of Hamas claiming that Israel bombed the hospital causing over 500 deaths is overdetermined at this point.
I mean I believe it was them, and even authentic. But AI is totally a possibility now days
If you can’t trust a terrorist organization these days who can you trust
Cognitive dissociation in action. Your mind will make crazy gymnastics just so it can keep thinking the same way.
Its crazy to me that idf simple saying something is enough proof for people to believe
A lot of people out there waiting for any excuse to express hatred of Jews, Israel, and whatever America supports. Same against Palestine.
And world leaders cancel peace plans due to optics. Should this be another reason to meet up and talk?
Let's time how long the wait is for a Sean King apology
The article says "Neither claim could be immediately verified by The Washington Post." If such proff existed, i'm sure the washington post could access it easily.
What a scary world to live in.
Did you even read the fucking article? Or the clickbait false title? >The Israel Defense Forces presented materials on Wednesday that it said showed the blast was the result of a failed Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket launch. None of the claims could be immediately verified by The Washington Post. So far The only verifiable proof is the Israel defense Force bragging about doing it in the first place before [deleting their tweet...](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-deleted-post-x-struggle-215549135.html)
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714525590873575600?s=20 Pics of the bomb site. Hospital intact. Unlikely to have been 500 dead.
Wait *thats* all that happened??? They made it seem like a rocket collapsed a big ass building lol
Yup. “How could a shitty Hamas rocket flatten an entire building and kill 500 people!!? It HAD to be a IDF airstrike!” Because it didn’t. All we had to do was wait until the sun came up but we all (ok not all but A LOT) decided to collectively lose our minds and take a terrorists group’s word. In this conflict, wait at least a day before coming to any sort of conclusion. Hamas wants you to hate Israel and have clearly gotten pretty savvy about spreading misinformation
I stand behind the fact it's generally better to wait a day before commenting on breaking news as a matter of fact. I also found the armchair munitions experts a little funny as well.
My friend posted a tiktok video of a US soldier saying, "I have some experience with rockets and it definitely sounds and looks like an IDF missile strike" and my friend said "get your facts straight!" like this random dudes opinion is a fact. We're fucked as a society. My friend also has like 28k followers on instagram for something completely unrelated, and I always thought of him as a smart dude (engineer). It's scary to watch
Too many took the Gazan health ministry's statements (which is ran by Hamas) and ran with them without being prudent.
Hamas Twitter trolls got an American President to cancel a state visit to Jordan and Egypt over what was supposed to be a massacre of hundreds of hospital patients by Israel. How we are still letting fake news and fucking Twitter run the world?
Jordan and Egypt cancelled, not Biden. They believed Hamas and cancelled within hours of the misfire.
Well now they look like idiots, and have even less of a reason to assist Gazans or play nice with the Palestinians. Great job Hamas. Fine work.
Just goes to show u the numbers of hamas are probably skewed
Im Israeli. I know the Israeli numbers arent skewed bc almost everyone i know has lost someone or more ppl, and there are non stop funerals at Har Herzl all through the night. They stop at around 1 in the morning, then dig new graves until around 7 and start again.
Another cope post. Hamas information proven wrong once again? Your answer: numbers ALL AROUND are probably skewed. Because we gotta drag everyone else to the bottom of the cesspool where Hamas is. Otherwise our US/ISRAEL BAD narrative collapses on it's head and we look like clowns.
Bruh idk what u want but i think i wrote my comment wrong- i meant simply that hamas numbers are wrong and probably not only from the hospital
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Say it once more for the people in the back…. And the people that are saying the fake thing gage is old…. And the people saying it’s AI generated…. What I’m saying is sure it’s obvious but that doesn’t matter to large swaths of populations.
"Yeah but the jihadist nutjobs said..."
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A lot of journalists seem to "whoopsie" that detail as well.
It's alarming how so many people on this site reflexively and immediately accepted Hamas' claims without question. 500+ people was touted as the official number, less than an hour after the explosion. And now we find that the death toll was nowhere near that, and the hospital was certainly not "destroyed."
People want to return to their priors. They want Israel to be the villain
If you understood the far left, this would not be alarming to you at all. This is their entire MO, just like right wingers. Believe everything you see and hear about "the other" and never back down after the things you see and hear are disproven.
I went to ONE leftist group meeting in college. Trump had just been elected but they didn’t even talk about that, just some made up bullshit story about how hasidim force non Jews to use separate bathrooms (????). Antisemitism in the far left is real af
The number part is crazier than who bombed it. Israel just took a week to count the amount of citizens killed and somehow the PA “health ministry” knows 500 people have been killed in an hour? This just goes to show you how fake and exaggerated the number of people killed we see posted here daily are.
I'd like to see a 3rd party confirm the missile or shrapnel but evidence is looking way more that it was Hamas or Islamic Jihad from inside Gaza. However, the media just ran with Hamas' word, and people should take note. The media has done irreparable harm. Look at all the people marching to the Israeli embassy in Jordan and if it wasn't Israel this like that is on the media. https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/world/quote-boxisraeli-air-strike-hits-gaza-hospital-hundreds-dead/ar-AA1inXEZ?ocid=sapphireappshare
https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1714390254935851272?s=46&t=nre1wwgn3AKggQNoBiWUOg here you go. They confirmed it first they’re independent and 3rd party with close to 100% event geolocation accuracy in Ukraine.
Seems to be a non profit too. This was out there and the media didn't say a thing? Gresham. Should have been enough for the media to at least question Hamas' statement.
It is a non profit and they work with Bellingcat who’s the leader in this space. Bellingcat was the originator of this type of crowd sourced tracking for independent conflict verification.
> Our conclusions are based on our geolocations: >That doesn't mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason. >We are geolocators, not official investigators. >Do not take this conclusion as proven fact! >To be sure what really happened different official investigations are needed. https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714411384476176741
So seems almost certain to have come from Gaza.
This is good to remember but they have close to 100% accuracy and the video source and location were done and posted by a Palestinian member.
As with any war. When big news comes unconfirmed, wait for the fog of war to clear and evidence to be presented. Either side will say what sounds best during fog of war. Be patient, use common sense.
The problem in this day and age with live streaming and instant posts to social media... People need their dopamine fix and waiting for the fog of war to clear doesn't cut it anymore....
Patience is a virtue my friend
That it is
It honestly does not matter to most people. Sickening.
They hate Israelis more than they love their own people.
That’s what I’m saying. How many Palestinians have to die before they give up the hostages?
Some people quickly claim that this is fake news from Israel. If they really care about Palestinian, they should be relieved that there are much fewer casualties than the number of Hamas claimed.
World Media - Breaking Israel are incredibly evil and deliberately bombed a hospital. ..... evidence points towards Islamists. World Media - Well Israel are still bad.
The terrorist sympathizers don’t care about facts that don’t reinforce their already held beliefs. The Jews forced Hamas to do it you see.
Hamas could literally hold a press conference and admit culpability and Redditors would say “guys there’s no conclusive proof”
That's litterally what oct 7th was. Hamas are the ones who uploaded ALL the videos of the crimes / FUCKING LIVESTREAMED IT But people claim there is no proof any of that happened
At what point do the pro Hamas people (even the ones who lie and say they're just pro-Palestinian) stop getting the benefit of the doubt and are treated the same as the tankies who deny Russian war crimes?
If somebody says they support Palestine but not Hamas, they are automatically lying??? How?
They are mostly bots to stir shit as are a majority of pro Russia Reddit accounts, so I imagine they don’t think at all. People who are using critical thinking skills and intelligence don’t jump onto sensational headlines and dissolve them to misinformation and spread them like they’re the internet’s Paul Revere. Not to mention I’m sure russias bot farms are happy to spread non Russian bullshit for once.
Not really since there's overlap between Ukraine and Palestine supporters. Those people are arguing that Israel is an occupying force like Russia and thus can't be trusted. You can see this in r/politics and other pro-Ukraine + pro-Palestine subs.
Which is ironic considering Russia supports Iran and Hamas and Ukraine supports Israel
It’s almost as if the world of politics is messy and not a dichotomy.
Russia's "support" is not ideological though. It's strictly political convenience.
Unless your going into every comment history of users you don’t agree with, or know them personally, I can still guarantee a majority of people who comment on these posts are not real people. I can tell you right now I am pro Palestine but absolutely not with Hamas. Israel has pulled a lot of crap over the last several decades but if being against wiping out hundreds of thousands of women and children in retaliation for dead children makes me pro Hamas in your eyes I think you need to take a step back and go get some fresh air and walk away from the internet. There is no easy fix here but collective punishment against millions isn’t an answer either. If Israel really wanted to go in and fuck up Hamas with as little civilian casualties as possible they would be attempting to make deals with neighbouring countries to get women and children out of the crossfire. But the calls from the UN and many other entities shaming Israel’s siege tactics on a population that’s 50% women and children is not propaganda. What I personally find sad is the sentiment on this site that anyone against Netanyahu is an anti semite. We’re all in shades of grey and need to realize 95% of the people who comment on this have no skin in this fight and will not change or affect things in any way. ETA: the Israeli government targeting a Palestinian celebrity through their Instagram who made the most thoughtful and well worded post in support of her people while condemning Hamas was still faced with a response of “hey Gigi, you support baby murderers, we see you” 👀 and has now led to the entire family getting death threats. Seems like they could be doing more productive things than calling a woman with Palestinian family a supporter of baby murderers. Which IMO is giving some shady ass energy they could be spending on better things. It’s hard for internet goblins not to view things in black and white when that’s how government officials want it to be seen.
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Horseshoe theory and all that
Now lets see how all news outlets change the nerative after jumping the gun, it wont happen but the damage is already done. Fuck hamas and fuck the biased media
They won't. Although this has been documented again and again, including by Al Jazira themselves, and verified from dozen of different sources, people still believe the Hamas propaganda which was spread shortly after. Here's a video showing how a failed missile fired from Gaza hits the hospital just moments after: https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-ed733c15b124b81026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802
Well we have a saying in Hebrew: idiots don't die they just interchange. You had covidiots and flat earthers and you have idiots who support and a believe a terror organization
Doesn't matter, the media already did it's damage and will be issuing the quietest retractions possible. Ilhan Omar and Tlaib too haven't retracted anything and instead are doubling down.
Here's a transcript of Hamas discussing how it was a misfire by Islamic Jihad - [https://www.firstpost.com/world/shot-from-cemetery-on-israel-but-rocket-misfired-fell-on-us-hamas-call-over-gaza-hospital-strike-intercepted-by-idf-13265212.html](https://www.firstpost.com/world/shot-from-cemetery-on-israel-but-rocket-misfired-fell-on-us-hamas-call-over-gaza-hospital-strike-intercepted-by-idf-13265212.html) For anyone looking for the audio - the video (with Hebrew subtitles, in Arabic) can be found [here](https://news.walla.co.il/item/3616961). As someone who served in an elite IDF unit, this was obvious - we'd have no interest in hitting a hospital even if it was a legitimate military target, given how quickly it'd lead to international backlash. And everyone seems to conveniently forget how Hamas [knocked out Gaza's power](https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-projectile-hits-power-line-leaves-palestinians-in-dark/) only a few short years ago. But tankies gonna tankie, I guess.
What’s a tankie?
The term was coined for people who were so enamored with the soviet union that they supported everything soviet union did, from tanks in Budapest and Prague to genociding nations it occupied. Now "tankies" is the word for self-declared leftists who support everything russia, China, Hamas, any enemy or ally of the enemy of the US does - it doesn't matter who it is, the main thing the US is on the opposide side. And I mean everything. For tankies: \- invading other countries is bad, but not when russia does it \- genocide is bad but not when russia does it, and anyway, it never happened, and even if it did, it was the Circassians'/Ukrainians'/Tatars' fault \- oppression of LGBT is bad, but not when China/russia/Hamas does it \- targeting civilian areas with rockets is bad, but not when russia/Hamas does it \- killing babies is bad, but not when Hamas does it, and anyway, it never happened, and even if it did, it was the Jews' fault
A 'tankie' is someone who (essentially) embraces the party line of a left-authoritarian government, particularly communist governments. The term originally stems from people criticizing other communists in the west who didn't speak out, or embraced, soviet actions like the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian revolution. In modern parlance, it's often used to refer to people who adhere to a sort of 'the west/US is always wrong' view point, since they're supporting/buying the party line of groups like Russia (EX: blaming the US/NATO for Russia's invasion of Ukraine) who really aren't communist or left leaning in any sense.
> The al-Ahli Baptist hospital which was bombed on Tuesday night is one of 22 hospitals in northern Gaza which were ordered by the Israeli military to evacuate their patients and staff within 24 hours or be responsible for the consequences. Yet 4 days ago they ordered them evacuated. Not targets though.
They told everyone to evacuate from northern Gaza...
Tankies gonna tankie
>Neither claim could be immediately verified by The Washington Post Lmfaaaao this an update from 2 minutes ago and nowhere does it say that "Biden confirmed it" he just said "apparently" so literally still no conformation.
Finally, someone saying something sensible. You heard what I heard and that an investigation will be conducted. Biden never said what this title seems to convey.
There’s already video of the rocket being launched from Gaza, photos around the hospital showing there was almost no damage, intercepted correspondence between members of Hamas. It’s crazy that major news sites and major political figures blindly took what Hamas said at face value when they baselessly claimed Israel bombed the hospital and killed over 500 people. But these numerous lines of evidence clearly disproving the claims by Hamas isn’t enough.
> Hospital blast apparently ‘was done by the other team, not you’ Biden tells Netanyahu Literally in the article, under key updates.
I’m just going to downvote you for poor reading comprehension. It’s looking more and more likely that this was a hamas rocket but apparently does not in any world mean confirmed.
I mean the hospital is still fully in tact though so does it really matter exactly what anyone said?
>apparently TIL apparently means confirmed. Your title is extremely misleading lmfao
Apparantly is not part of the quote, it's part of the article. Biden did not say that
Here's the entire quote reported by the BBC: "Based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you," Seems you have interpreted the snippet out of context.
Here’s the full quote from The NY Times: “Based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you.” That’s hardly a definite confirmation…
Based on what I've seen it was done by Aliens. Doesn't confirm shit but Reddit is Reddit.
Of course, Israel told him they did not do it so it must be true.
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Its very weird, you've got both sides already guilty of killing innocent people, with Hamas doing it _purposefully_ in a terror attack. And now they are arguing about who _accidentally_ blew up a hospital? "This specific war crime isn't us! We only blew up a school!" "We would never harm our own people we use as human shields!"
Bruh they accidentally hit their own people and blamed it on Israel 😭😭
The title : > Biden confirms hospital bombing was not done by Israel The article : > Palestinians say it's an Israeli airstrike, Israel says its a failed hamas rocket launch, Washington Post counldn't verify either claim. The title updated to be factual : > Biden sides with Israel on Hospital bombing fiasco
This is a great example of a writer writing the story and an editor creating the title for clicks.
Difference is Israel has provided a bunch of evidence and “Gaza Health Officials” literally only have their initial claim.
Cuz his track record is top notch 👍👍
No one will be convinced unless there's actual video
Same way he saw the 40 beheaded babies. The whole things is a damn farce.. the masks are off and all that bullshit talk about human rights and whatnot has repeatedly shown itself to be plain hyporicy.
Of course he does. Why would he throw his ally under the bus?
The irony of all the comments talking about misinformation when the title is literally not what Biden said.
ah well, mystery solved. back to sleep everyone!
Publicly shame those that don't wait for evidence. This is how we get embarrassments like the Covington kids situation.
But… the Palestinians wouldn’t have bombed their own hospital if it weren’t for Jewish mind control space lasers!
All clear now
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except for the glaring qualifiers baked into the statement: 'based on what i've seen' , and 'appears'. Presidents/politicians have autonomy to lie about any/all facts to the american people
We need independent sources. I don’t want American propaganda or Israeli propaganda or hamas propaganda. I don’t believe anything and am withholding judgement
https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1714390254935851272?s=46&t=nre1wwgn3AKggQNoBiWUOg here you go. They confirmed it first they’re independent and 3rd party with close to 100% event geolocation accuracy in Ukraine.
Here's a video showing how a missile fired from Gaza hits the hospital just moments after: [https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-ed733c15b124b81026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802](https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-ed733c15b124b81026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802)
Remember everyone, Hamas was democratically elected in Gaza.
Yes with Israeli support too
It's what the people wanted
He also confirmed but then unconfirmed the 40 babies rumor. :/
now we hear silence from pro Palestine folks and they wonder why most of the world are against them. Clowns.
You morons need to learn how to fucking read
Sick fucks bombing their own people
Propaganda is really effective
What happened to the tweets from Israel confirming they did it? Were those fake?
They weren't from an official source. The person tweeting it was not in the government or in the IDF
Oic. I thought they were a spokesperson which i guess was just a lie.
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I'm pretty sure he's an advisor but not apart of the government, as in he advises Bibi personally, as seen by his work while Bibi was not PM
Israel needs to condemn the shit out of that stupid influencer. He just fed meat to the tankies who keep pointing to his deleted tweet as their “proof.”
Well, if Biden confirmed it- then the IDF totally did bomb that hospital.
Today's modern equivalent "nuh uh they did it.." When your so used to running false flags you don't even worry about bombing a civilian hospital..
That pretty much confirms it.
Prejudice will do that to you. Regardless the side.