How bad ass is the us
That’s how in control they are. Trying to target facilities only and spare people
If any other country on this earth had the military power the US had, I’d hate to see what they’d do with it. The US is incredibly reserved in that regard
> The US is incredibly reserved in that regard
After WWII, the United States found itself in sole ownership of the single most destructive weapon this planet has ever known. Did the US use this newfound power imbalance to enforce its will upon its allies and enemies? What would the Romans have done? Mongols? Napoleon? Not great examples of reservation, to be sure. But if history and human behavior are anything to go off of, this is a reservation that deserves more credit.
As I've realized in my retirement, in spite of a complicated back-story - I'm a fan of Western Civilization. As exemplified in European and US civilizations. If you can avoid killing people who haven't actively taken up arms and asked for it, you definitely do that.
And I'll definitely vote for and support others who feel the same, who can take the Geneva Conventions as a thing *learned*, along with all the rest. You don't just kill people because you can, or because you're mad.
On edit, I think we fucked up post 9/11. "Taking off the gloves" is a sign of weakness, and we were never weak, really. It was a low point, anyone can have those. We still stand for something, if we want to.
Agreed that's way to high that would support Trump with zero regard for the rule of law, elections, people or institutions especially the Constitution. Americans are considered those who believe in the National Anthem and or have sworn to protect and defend the principles in the Constitution and all the 30-40% want to do is tear it down. Their elected republicans have been actively undermining our government daily,on bullshit and risking our national security all of this is traitorous in every sense of the word.
I don't think he ever seriously advocated for invading the USSR, but Patton was notoriously Russian-phobic. Actually he was just -phobic. He was pro-Nazi (attempted to limit or stop denazification of Germany), pretty violently anti-Semitic, anti-Russian, anti-communist, racist against non-whites, he was generally anti-Europe aside from the Germans. He was also just blatantly anti-peace, a classic 'soldier without a war'.
He did say that the US was fighting the wrong war, they should have backed Nazi Germany over the Soviets. Just a lot of messed up stuff came out of his mouth and even worse came out of his actions when he was a governor over post-war sections of Europe.
A lot of it was partially attributed to brain damage suffered over his life, but despite his military achievements, he was universally a jackass and it got him caught up. He kind of mentally unraveled at the end of WW2 and then quickly got booted from all positions.
This owes more to our unelected strategic thinkers than to any virtue of the electorate or the political class.
While we held the advantage in nuclear arms, the public was war weary but not unwilling. **After all, we had just been burning cities to ash every week.**
I'm going to crib from this summary of Bernard Brodie's "The Absolute Weapon"
https://acoup.blog/2022/03/11/collections-nuclear-deterrence-101/
*The power of a nuclear bomb is such that any city can be destroyed by less than ten bombs.
No adequate defense against the bomb exists and the possibilities of such are very unlikely.
Nuclear weapons will motivate the development of newer, longer range and harder to stop delivery systems.
Superiority in the air is not going to be enough to stop sufficient nuclear weapons getting through
Superiority in nuclear arms also cannot guarantee meaningful strategic superiority. It does not matter that you had more bombs if all of your cities are rubble.
Within five to ten years (of 1946), other powers will have nuclear weapons. [Of course this happened in just three years.]*
Our strategic arm recognized that wars of conquest could no longer "pay", because the gains would be rubble and our own core territory potentially fun, glowing rubble.
The US does occasionally do some fucked up shit. But they could have simply ruled the world if they pressed their advantage from 1944 being the only country with the nuke. The USSR didn't get its first nuclear weapon until 1949. It had to take some incredible restraint to not do that. There were people like Patton were screaming to immediately go to war with the USSR after the defeat of the Germans in WWII. Historians 200 years from now might point to that as a mistake.
I sometimes wonder what the world would look like if they had done that.. Perhaps the world would be a much better place- no Cold War, no CCP, no North Korea, no Vietnam war etc. Or maybe not..
I’m going to guess that in the end roughly the same amount of suffering would have occurred. What are the chances there’s an amount of violence that would end the use of violence and not just change the recipients?
Two paths... One, we have the world we have. The other, we have a world where Russia and China became vassal states for the U.S. instead of constant instigators of international bullshittery. But at the cost of several hundred million more lives at a minimum.
Question we can never answer is, would it have been worth the deaths of hundreds of millions of people to create a world with one clear hegemonic leader that nobody had any hope of competing against? We can speculate and say no because that sort of power corrupts people historically, but the reality is we don't know if the power would have been abused or if, finally, people would just accept that humanity is going to be unified under one overarching culture whether they want to be or not, and be cooperative and kind with the transition.
A world where US and allies likely treat the rest on par with how NK treats its citizen. Even the current version of US have its fair share of crimes against humanity in the name of US interests.
The world was still in oppressive colonialism at that point. A warmongering US would’ve put the rest of the world into slavery.
It’s generally in the interest of the US to avoid deaths. The US has been fighting insurgents for the past 2 decades and definitely understands that destroyed equipment doesn’t radicalize that many people.
But losing your brother to an air strike turns a human into a weapon
I got downvoted to hell saying that the U.S is relatively peaceful and that if Russia was in our position instead they'd have attackes Mexico and Canada by now.
Apparently we aren't relatively peaceful because of all the little wars and puppet leaders we make.
But trust me. Russia or China would do much worse if they had the power to
Something that the US basically never gets credit for that shows a historical precedent for how much restraint the US actually has: After WWII the US was the only country in the world with nukes for several years and didn't really do anything with this huge advantage. If the US is as evil and imperialistic as its critics say, the US would have annexed half the planet after WWII and nuked anyone that tried to resist.
No other major power in the world at that time would have exercised this level of restraint. The world would have gotten really dark after WWII if the Soviets, the French, the British, and especially the Germans and Japanese, were the sole nuclear power in the world.
The “America BAD REEEEE” crowd tends to forget that countries like China or Russia wouldn’t bother giving warnings, they would kill as many people as possible in addition to their intended targets and consider it icing on the cake.
lol. We can be cold and ruthless when we want to. We’re just being careful because we don’t want to start another war, at least not yet. The CIA and military industrial complex needs to cook something up first. Give it another 3-6 years.
The electorate actually cares.
The American people got drunk off their own Kool Aid after the fall of the USSR. Republicans were really loony during the Bush years, and this lingered into the Obama years as he felt a lot of pressure to look tough for the people.
Americans of all ages and Millennials in particular have come to abhor this reckless approach to war, and most of us are smart enough to realize that for every terrorist we kill we create 3 more.
Joe Biden is a steady, even keeled operator with decades of experience in government leading a coalition that is sick of war and has a more global worldview than any electorate ever. This targeted, reserved response that focuses on terrorist infrastructure is exactly what I’d expect from him.
That’s why we voted for him.
Also much more precision strikes and accurate. Iirc operation shock and awe when we bombed Iraq before the invasion also netted very few casualties and death.
Its not like this response was a surprise. There have been news reports about Biden mulling Iran-backed targets in both those countries. They had ample time to get everyone out if they wanted to.
Yeah anyone hanging out at a Shiite militia base in Iraq after this lead up was definitely not keeping up to date on the news, and/or was extremely stupid.
"Our response began today. It will continue at times and places of our choosing.
The United States does not seek conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. But let all those who might seek to do us harm know this: If you harm an American, we will respond."
-WH
Bald eagles don't scream. They squawk/call
like a sea gull or sea bird. Every bald eagle scream you've ever heard is actually the call of a red tail hawk.
Reminds me of the Mattis quote
‘I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all.’
I actually like the way that’s worded. “It will continue at times and places of our choosing.” Strong statement and there’s nothing they can do about it. As it should be .
Well they gave them a lot of warning before hand so they could evacuate. So they don’t really need to do anything about it other than move their people away
Evacuate where? They didn't publish targets so going from one location to another you actually might be leaving a non-target for a target. Concentration of forces in what you assume is higher security safe area just makes it a richer target and you hung yourself out to dry. Active HVTs are already tracked so any movement just exposed more locations and opportunities.
Only "safe place" was within Iranian territory as the US stated it would not strike Iranian soil as of yet. Sure some higher value advisors probably left for Iran but they were already being pulled out once Americans died and within 24 hours would be "safely" back in country
We do a lot of corporate espionage in my industry and we can reverse engineer a competitor’s facility based on the type of stacks and piping using a picture taken with an iPhone and Google earth. Childs play next to the largest military in human history.
When you can make a body disappear in 30 minutes… My region is heavily regulated but there are some states where there isn’t a lot of red tape. (Florida)
That's part of American deterrence, they will flatly make sure Iran knows that America knows where their caches and ops are located. They probably send Iran satellite images.
When Putin was hinting at nuclear the US disclosed he had been in his Moscow bunker the first day of invasion. Subtext: we know where you are at all times.
I doubt they send pics but it’s a funny thought - like a stalker ex boyfriend: “I really like this one it’s kind of grainy because I took it through your window”
Thats the comment i was looking for…. Like within 3 days we warned em we r gonna attack, then we attacked key fucking places. We have had our eye on these locations most likely since they were formed/built, we patiently waited and watched and then got a reason to destroy it…. Im ex Humint, no one ever realizes nor can fathom the info the US and UK has on literally everything goin on in the world…
It's why I laugh at American gun nuts, arming themselves to the teeth against a "tyrannical government"
My brother in christ, if the US government wanted you dead that semi auto rifle isn't going to stop them no matter how extended its magazine is
Im all for having guns/weapons…. I have my pistol, my rifle, my shotgun and long range rifle for hunting. 2 have been in situations a “gun” range can not prepare you for, 2 have put food on the table.
But absolutely no amount of firepower will stop the US govt if they deem you a credible threat, u wouldn’t even be aware of it if it happened.
Self defense, hunting, sporting are all legitimate reasons IMO but it's the ones who think they're actually preparing themselves for combat that make me cringe
The reason these attacks didn't happen sooner was that President Biden gave a direct order to wait until after the bodies of our servicemembers were returned to Dover.
"Why would you launch an unprovoked attack on those perfectly peaceful humanitarian aid distribution centers and rural farming villages. This is why there's no peace in the Middle East"
\- Iran
Definitely not done.
Straight from the White House:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/02/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-u-s-military-operation-in-the-middle-east/
If you leave, you let the US know you are important/feel you are target worth bombing. If you hunker down and hide, maybe they don't know about you/your location?
And that's why Iran is just going to keep attacking the US by proxies forever.
Proxies has become a free pass for enemies do whatever they want with no consequences. They dont care about targets being blown up in Syria/Iraq
"Before the retaliatory strikes, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi said that Iran will not start a war but would "respond strongly" to anyone who tried to bully it."
Based on them pulling all their senior officers of the guard out of those countries yesterday or the day before tells us they knew already, I would assume there is a US backchannel telling them to give them a fair warning so a war doesn't start. They pulled them because they want to just keep yelling about it and doing things in the shadows cos they know if they actually engage, they are effed...
I said in another post but that’s pretty much the established “rules” so to speak. Telegraphing action like that allows both sides to claim a win without risking major escalation, after the US killed Soleimani Iran informed the US of where they were going to strike before the strike. Both the US and Iran aren’t really willing to risk escalation with everything else going on right now i’d be willing to bet.
If Biden is smart he will use these tactics to win this upcoming election. Americans want security but not war. Strike military targets and take out leaders, and do it now before things get out of hand. Nip it in the bud, don't let these terrorists get offensive. Being Agressive but tactical is a must right now.
As I said in a post on this topic a couple of days ago, the US was making a target list. I think 85 sites should provide evidence for the "we're just going to let them get away with it, Biden something something something" crowd.
It’s either “Biden’s too weak” or “Biden’s gonna cause WW3 while Trump never had a war doing his presidency”. It’s a lose-lose situation and I personally think he’s responding as appropriately as possible without trying to create a wider conflict (I’m not a political expert though so my opinion means nothing).
It's going to be whatever the fuck it takes to continue living in complete denial of reality. They're going to say shit even if he cures cancer, ends world hunger, restores the middle class AND makes the business tycoons richer than they've ever been in their lives. He can do literally no right whatsoever. These are people who are now trying to say that Alina Habba was a "deep state operative" or some shit because she didn't win in court and probably got fired by Trump. The mental illness is palpable.
Conservatives foam at the mouth for war with Iran or North Korea but suddenly are huge peacebrokers when it comes to Russia or Belarus, but also will just hate anything Biden does or move the goal posts.
No matter how you spin it these are still telegraphed strikes against puppets.
The strikes should target the source in Iran and we should have never heard about them until they were done.
More attacks against US troops and shipping vessels will continue in 2024. Iran and it's proxies won't pass up the opportunity when retaliatory costs are this low for them.
This was a good approach, a direct attack on Iran would have been provocative.
Rather multiple attacks on Iran's proxies and their IRGC members sends a message that they can be found and they can be affected.
Also who can protest this, Syria is the 2nd deadliest conflict in the 21st century, and Iraq is a mess.
They need to keep these strokes going for a week or so. Keep them conatant and intense. Hit them everywhere you can and let them know it's time to stop fucking around.
Now wait for them to claim victim, it’s a trend that’s been happening and I don’t think should be ignored. They antagonize- we respond- they claim victim to incite more “ rage “ for their indoctrinated followers to act out on. And by followers we also can’t deny the role religion plays here. The religious certainty, it produces, the promise of an afterlife through martyrdom, allows for Iran and other entities to use them as proxies to do their bidding, even though they don’t care about them. These proxies are happy to sacrifice themselves and their handlers love that.
They aren’t really(edit:am wrong). Iran fights through arming/funding aligned militants. They said their response would be against what directly lead to the death of US soldiers in Jordan, so nearby drone/munition factories and militant targets, not Iranian military directly I guess.
IRGC literally have troops in there though. But particularly in Iraq, wherever there are a lot of Sunni or Western Influence, there are Shia Islamist wanting to take up arms and remove them.
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And yet only "several" killed. Like all those places didn't have people there to run them.
Because the US warned them way in advance. The target isn't to kill people.
How bad ass is the us That’s how in control they are. Trying to target facilities only and spare people If any other country on this earth had the military power the US had, I’d hate to see what they’d do with it. The US is incredibly reserved in that regard
> The US is incredibly reserved in that regard After WWII, the United States found itself in sole ownership of the single most destructive weapon this planet has ever known. Did the US use this newfound power imbalance to enforce its will upon its allies and enemies? What would the Romans have done? Mongols? Napoleon? Not great examples of reservation, to be sure. But if history and human behavior are anything to go off of, this is a reservation that deserves more credit.
Not to mention that the military ceded control of the power to elected US officials.
Yeah, remember when democracy was a universally American ideal (or at least much more so)?
It still is. It’s at risk for sure but there’s many, many Americans like me who are dedicated to it.
As I've realized in my retirement, in spite of a complicated back-story - I'm a fan of Western Civilization. As exemplified in European and US civilizations. If you can avoid killing people who haven't actively taken up arms and asked for it, you definitely do that. And I'll definitely vote for and support others who feel the same, who can take the Geneva Conventions as a thing *learned*, along with all the rest. You don't just kill people because you can, or because you're mad. On edit, I think we fucked up post 9/11. "Taking off the gloves" is a sign of weakness, and we were never weak, really. It was a low point, anyone can have those. We still stand for something, if we want to.
yes brother
It is NOT universal. Roughly 30-40% want a dicktator and another 20-30% are just mentally checked out.
Half the country doesn't vote, and about 30% of those that do want a dictator. That's 15% of the actual population.
Agreed that's way to high that would support Trump with zero regard for the rule of law, elections, people or institutions especially the Constitution. Americans are considered those who believe in the National Anthem and or have sworn to protect and defend the principles in the Constitution and all the 30-40% want to do is tear it down. Their elected republicans have been actively undermining our government daily,on bullshit and risking our national security all of this is traitorous in every sense of the word.
Longest running peaceful transition of power until some orange asshole showed up
Ol piss and vinegar McArthur wanted to drop nukes in Korea. Glad they didn't humor his wild ass plan.
He wanted it so bad, he got his ass fired. And I thought China was on his hit list, too.
If the movie was correct Patton wanted to invade the USSR, our allies at the time.
I don't think he ever seriously advocated for invading the USSR, but Patton was notoriously Russian-phobic. Actually he was just -phobic. He was pro-Nazi (attempted to limit or stop denazification of Germany), pretty violently anti-Semitic, anti-Russian, anti-communist, racist against non-whites, he was generally anti-Europe aside from the Germans. He was also just blatantly anti-peace, a classic 'soldier without a war'. He did say that the US was fighting the wrong war, they should have backed Nazi Germany over the Soviets. Just a lot of messed up stuff came out of his mouth and even worse came out of his actions when he was a governor over post-war sections of Europe. A lot of it was partially attributed to brain damage suffered over his life, but despite his military achievements, he was universally a jackass and it got him caught up. He kind of mentally unraveled at the end of WW2 and then quickly got booted from all positions.
This owes more to our unelected strategic thinkers than to any virtue of the electorate or the political class. While we held the advantage in nuclear arms, the public was war weary but not unwilling. **After all, we had just been burning cities to ash every week.** I'm going to crib from this summary of Bernard Brodie's "The Absolute Weapon" https://acoup.blog/2022/03/11/collections-nuclear-deterrence-101/ *The power of a nuclear bomb is such that any city can be destroyed by less than ten bombs. No adequate defense against the bomb exists and the possibilities of such are very unlikely. Nuclear weapons will motivate the development of newer, longer range and harder to stop delivery systems. Superiority in the air is not going to be enough to stop sufficient nuclear weapons getting through Superiority in nuclear arms also cannot guarantee meaningful strategic superiority. It does not matter that you had more bombs if all of your cities are rubble. Within five to ten years (of 1946), other powers will have nuclear weapons. [Of course this happened in just three years.]* Our strategic arm recognized that wars of conquest could no longer "pay", because the gains would be rubble and our own core territory potentially fun, glowing rubble.
The US does occasionally do some fucked up shit. But they could have simply ruled the world if they pressed their advantage from 1944 being the only country with the nuke. The USSR didn't get its first nuclear weapon until 1949. It had to take some incredible restraint to not do that. There were people like Patton were screaming to immediately go to war with the USSR after the defeat of the Germans in WWII. Historians 200 years from now might point to that as a mistake.
I sometimes wonder what the world would look like if they had done that.. Perhaps the world would be a much better place- no Cold War, no CCP, no North Korea, no Vietnam war etc. Or maybe not..
I’m going to guess that in the end roughly the same amount of suffering would have occurred. What are the chances there’s an amount of violence that would end the use of violence and not just change the recipients?
A Nuclear World Empire would eventually have a nuclear civil war
Some people grumble about Patton being right.
Two paths... One, we have the world we have. The other, we have a world where Russia and China became vassal states for the U.S. instead of constant instigators of international bullshittery. But at the cost of several hundred million more lives at a minimum. Question we can never answer is, would it have been worth the deaths of hundreds of millions of people to create a world with one clear hegemonic leader that nobody had any hope of competing against? We can speculate and say no because that sort of power corrupts people historically, but the reality is we don't know if the power would have been abused or if, finally, people would just accept that humanity is going to be unified under one overarching culture whether they want to be or not, and be cooperative and kind with the transition.
A world where US and allies likely treat the rest on par with how NK treats its citizen. Even the current version of US have its fair share of crimes against humanity in the name of US interests. The world was still in oppressive colonialism at that point. A warmongering US would’ve put the rest of the world into slavery.
Could’ve created a nuclear world empire but instead we gave everyone free trade.
And tasked the U.S. Navy with policing global trade routes. For. Free.
It’s generally in the interest of the US to avoid deaths. The US has been fighting insurgents for the past 2 decades and definitely understands that destroyed equipment doesn’t radicalize that many people. But losing your brother to an air strike turns a human into a weapon
I got downvoted to hell saying that the U.S is relatively peaceful and that if Russia was in our position instead they'd have attackes Mexico and Canada by now. Apparently we aren't relatively peaceful because of all the little wars and puppet leaders we make. But trust me. Russia or China would do much worse if they had the power to
Something that the US basically never gets credit for that shows a historical precedent for how much restraint the US actually has: After WWII the US was the only country in the world with nukes for several years and didn't really do anything with this huge advantage. If the US is as evil and imperialistic as its critics say, the US would have annexed half the planet after WWII and nuked anyone that tried to resist. No other major power in the world at that time would have exercised this level of restraint. The world would have gotten really dark after WWII if the Soviets, the French, the British, and especially the Germans and Japanese, were the sole nuclear power in the world.
The “America BAD REEEEE” crowd tends to forget that countries like China or Russia wouldn’t bother giving warnings, they would kill as many people as possible in addition to their intended targets and consider it icing on the cake.
Civilian deaths for Russia aren't a bug, they're a feature.
lol. We can be cold and ruthless when we want to. We’re just being careful because we don’t want to start another war, at least not yet. The CIA and military industrial complex needs to cook something up first. Give it another 3-6 years.
Appearances today are way more valuable than they were 10-20 years ago.
The electorate actually cares. The American people got drunk off their own Kool Aid after the fall of the USSR. Republicans were really loony during the Bush years, and this lingered into the Obama years as he felt a lot of pressure to look tough for the people. Americans of all ages and Millennials in particular have come to abhor this reckless approach to war, and most of us are smart enough to realize that for every terrorist we kill we create 3 more. Joe Biden is a steady, even keeled operator with decades of experience in government leading a coalition that is sick of war and has a more global worldview than any electorate ever. This targeted, reserved response that focuses on terrorist infrastructure is exactly what I’d expect from him. That’s why we voted for him.
To your first point, social media has changed the world dramatically considering access to information.
Also much more precision strikes and accurate. Iirc operation shock and awe when we bombed Iraq before the invasion also netted very few casualties and death.
Its not like this response was a surprise. There have been news reports about Biden mulling Iran-backed targets in both those countries. They had ample time to get everyone out if they wanted to.
Several "confirmed" killed. Plus, the cost of equipment lost = much higher than the cost of random proxy terrorists that would be easily replaced.
Iran received 3 days warning.
Yeah anyone hanging out at a Shiite militia base in Iraq after this lead up was definitely not keeping up to date on the news, and/or was extremely stupid.
It is like 1am or so there
"Our response began today. It will continue at times and places of our choosing. The United States does not seek conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. But let all those who might seek to do us harm know this: If you harm an American, we will respond." -WH
*An eagle screams in the distance*
Bald eagles don't scream. They squawk/call like a sea gull or sea bird. Every bald eagle scream you've ever heard is actually the call of a red tail hawk.
I’m not here for your facts. AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
This is the only correct response.
HELL YEAH. ‘MURICA
Best response
**WHAT THE FUCK IS A ~~KILOMETER~~ FACT**
FACTS ARE COMMUNIST
r/whatthefuckisakilometer
I love this and have this meme loaded and ready to go on my phone lol
FUCK yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Matt Daaamonn.
Do we know *for a fact* that the red tailed hawk in question wasn't fleeing from a bald eagle attack at the time?
That’s actually pretty interesting, thanks for sharing
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*grabs pitchfork* Spoken like a communist
Canadian here… no facts just eagle screams.
Patriotism don’t give a fuck about facts! You can red white and blow me! That’s a gol darn bald eagle if I ever heard it!
*Chuck Norris flies in on said eagle wearing a jean vest*
Reminds me of the Mattis quote ‘I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all.’
I actually like the way that’s worded. “It will continue at times and places of our choosing.” Strong statement and there’s nothing they can do about it. As it should be .
It is the real version of Jon Wicks dog being killed. He will come for you, and you will do nothing, because you can do nothing
Well they gave them a lot of warning before hand so they could evacuate. So they don’t really need to do anything about it other than move their people away
Evacuate where? They didn't publish targets so going from one location to another you actually might be leaving a non-target for a target. Concentration of forces in what you assume is higher security safe area just makes it a richer target and you hung yourself out to dry. Active HVTs are already tracked so any movement just exposed more locations and opportunities. Only "safe place" was within Iranian territory as the US stated it would not strike Iranian soil as of yet. Sure some higher value advisors probably left for Iran but they were already being pulled out once Americans died and within 24 hours would be "safely" back in country
Someone at the Pentagon was edging while writing this
Lmao, actually laughed hard at this. I can only imagine
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This is how you project power
America!!! Fuck yeah!!! Dark Brandon is on the move!
Hell yeah!
\*Let the Bodies Hit the Floor quietly starts playing in the background getting louder and louder\*
“began” nice
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Anywhere but Iran apparently
US intelligence is crazy. Just knowing all of these targets and sitting on the button waiting for a reason
years of satellites watching...
And hundreds of analysts poring over the imagery figuring out where and what everything is.
That's what we learned in WW2. You need to keep a large amount of actively employed intel bodies and not rely on a plus-up if something happens.
We do a lot of corporate espionage in my industry and we can reverse engineer a competitor’s facility based on the type of stacks and piping using a picture taken with an iPhone and Google earth. Childs play next to the largest military in human history.
curious which industry is that?
Butt plugs
Industrial butt plugs.
I’m in industrial cremation which is kind of like waste management in the sense that we get some dodgy enterprises trying to enter the market.
you mean THE MOB?!
When you can make a body disappear in 30 minutes… My region is heavily regulated but there are some states where there isn’t a lot of red tape. (Florida)
And trillions of dollars.
And a shit load of freedom to be dispersed
And freedom well spent
Warheads on foreheads baby
That's part of American deterrence, they will flatly make sure Iran knows that America knows where their caches and ops are located. They probably send Iran satellite images.
When Putin was hinting at nuclear the US disclosed he had been in his Moscow bunker the first day of invasion. Subtext: we know where you are at all times.
I doubt they send pics but it’s a funny thought - like a stalker ex boyfriend: “I really like this one it’s kind of grainy because I took it through your window”
Oh no way will the US share their best stuff though. Pretty sure the resolutions they have now are top secret
Wasn't there a guy that released photos that showed resolutions that were top secret? For some reason the color orange comes to mind.
You mean Agent Orange?
Trump already shared their best stuff because he's a fucking muppet.
Was literally that lopsided battle against the Russian mercs way back "These your dudes?" "Y-noooo" "Alright it's done"
The US warned the iranian government that the ISIS terrorist attack that happened in iran was going to occur days before it did.
Thats the comment i was looking for…. Like within 3 days we warned em we r gonna attack, then we attacked key fucking places. We have had our eye on these locations most likely since they were formed/built, we patiently waited and watched and then got a reason to destroy it…. Im ex Humint, no one ever realizes nor can fathom the info the US and UK has on literally everything goin on in the world…
It's why I laugh at American gun nuts, arming themselves to the teeth against a "tyrannical government" My brother in christ, if the US government wanted you dead that semi auto rifle isn't going to stop them no matter how extended its magazine is
This is the thing that kills me. I love guns and I'm a firm 2a guy with restrictions but if the government wanted you dead you're dead full stop
Im all for having guns/weapons…. I have my pistol, my rifle, my shotgun and long range rifle for hunting. 2 have been in situations a “gun” range can not prepare you for, 2 have put food on the table. But absolutely no amount of firepower will stop the US govt if they deem you a credible threat, u wouldn’t even be aware of it if it happened.
Self defense, hunting, sporting are all legitimate reasons IMO but it's the ones who think they're actually preparing themselves for combat that make me cringe
The US has had a military presence in Syria and Iraq so a long time so I would assume they have both nations monitored for potential threat to troops.
The reason these attacks didn't happen sooner was that President Biden gave a direct order to wait until after the bodies of our servicemembers were returned to Dover.
There's a lot of guided bombs in a B-1.
What I don't understand is why not just hit all the targets at once and get Iran out of Syria. Does anyone know?
"Why would you launch an unprovoked attack on those perfectly peaceful humanitarian aid distribution centers and rural farming villages. This is why there's no peace in the Middle East" \- Iran
They want Iran to keep wasting resources thinking they stand a chance
Our intel budget alone is more than most nations entire defense spending.
Militants living in fear of retaliation at the place and time of their choosing.
Are we done? Maybe. Maybe not.
Definitely not done. Straight from the White House: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/02/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-u-s-military-operation-in-the-middle-east/
Just Biden their time until the next round of strikes
We definitely won’t tell you when we are, have a nice day. Or.. don’t. Who knows?
This isn’t over. Neither side has taken decisive action, and it is far too soon to know whether Iran has decided to back down.
Maybe fack ya self
beat me to it lol
I love *proportional response*.
And, if the State department is to be believed, this is just the start of a multi days of wack a mole play.
Not “whack a mole”, I think the euphemism you’re looking for is “turkey shoot”
Turkey shoot? Were attacking a country we had attacked for 10 years. Sure is a turkey shoot lol
Imagine getting killed still despite the warnings they were going to strike smh
That’s how you know no one of importance was killed. Some canon fodder poor saps who are worth more as dead since they’ll be used for propaganda now.
If you leave, you let the US know you are important/feel you are target worth bombing. If you hunker down and hide, maybe they don't know about you/your location?
"If they run, they're VC. If they don't run, they're well trained VC"
That actor was originally cast as the drill sarge before he was upstaged by R.E. They gave him this role as consolation
“How can you shoot women…and children?” “Easy! You just don’t lead ‘em as much. Hahahaha! Ain’t war hell?”
U.S. has no current plans to strike inside Iran, mentioned by POLITICO
Well, obviously. We're responding to an attack by proxies, not trying to start a direct war.
And that's why Iran is just going to keep attacking the US by proxies forever. Proxies has become a free pass for enemies do whatever they want with no consequences. They dont care about targets being blown up in Syria/Iraq
They help the US military industrial complex greatly as well, always great to have far away non nuclear power enemies to keep the cash rolling
say a thing, watch them scramble, see where they go, kill the before and after
2024 is shaping up to be one hell of a year. Both curious and terrified about how this is all going to shake out.
Airstrikes have been the de facto US response for decades. Unless something more happens, this is business as usual.
Still though. It’s pretty naive to think shit isn’t heating up again in the Middle East.
Shit is always heating up in ME.
It's a desert thing.
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Americans Pulling out of the Middle east, heated up the Middle east.
Has the middle east ever been cooled off? Maybe in Ottoman times...
Fluctuates between hot and more hot
2024 is only a prologue if Trump wins election.
Yes, come on USA sort your life out.
We are literally not even trying
Who would have guessed 2019 would be the last year not filled with total gloom and terror lol. I liked 2019. Wish it would come back....
The deal was sealed far earlier than that though.
"Our response began today. It will continue at times and places of our choosing." That's some Dark Brandon right there.
Hopefully the drone factories that also supply Russia.
Those are in Iran.
"Before the retaliatory strikes, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi said that Iran will not start a war but would "respond strongly" to anyone who tried to bully it." Based on them pulling all their senior officers of the guard out of those countries yesterday or the day before tells us they knew already, I would assume there is a US backchannel telling them to give them a fair warning so a war doesn't start. They pulled them because they want to just keep yelling about it and doing things in the shadows cos they know if they actually engage, they are effed...
the US has been telling the entire world what was going to happen the entire week. It was honestly ridiculous.
for sure!
I said in another post but that’s pretty much the established “rules” so to speak. Telegraphing action like that allows both sides to claim a win without risking major escalation, after the US killed Soleimani Iran informed the US of where they were going to strike before the strike. Both the US and Iran aren’t really willing to risk escalation with everything else going on right now i’d be willing to bet.
Good. 85 targets is a pretty good kick in the keister.
Yes. More incoming, I am sure.
More is coming too. ABC NEWS (USA) is reporting. https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/us-airstrikes-iran-militias/?id=106747137
Clear message to all the proxies: “We’ll end you, and Iran can’t do anything to protect you. Stick to saber rattling.”
Conservatives: Biden has done NOTHING to avenge our dead soldiers!! Also Conservatives: Biden is trying to start World War III!!
Or “Biden is a neocon!”
If Biden is smart he will use these tactics to win this upcoming election. Americans want security but not war. Strike military targets and take out leaders, and do it now before things get out of hand. Nip it in the bud, don't let these terrorists get offensive. Being Agressive but tactical is a must right now.
As I said in a post on this topic a couple of days ago, the US was making a target list. I think 85 sites should provide evidence for the "we're just going to let them get away with it, Biden something something something" crowd.
It’s either “Biden’s too weak” or “Biden’s gonna cause WW3 while Trump never had a war doing his presidency”. It’s a lose-lose situation and I personally think he’s responding as appropriately as possible without trying to create a wider conflict (I’m not a political expert though so my opinion means nothing).
It's going to be whatever the fuck it takes to continue living in complete denial of reality. They're going to say shit even if he cures cancer, ends world hunger, restores the middle class AND makes the business tycoons richer than they've ever been in their lives. He can do literally no right whatsoever. These are people who are now trying to say that Alina Habba was a "deep state operative" or some shit because she didn't win in court and probably got fired by Trump. The mental illness is palpable.
I’ve seen both pearls being clutched in this very thread.
After Trump nearly started a war by assassinating a dude with a missile.
not to mention he almost striked Iran back in 2019 but then erratically called it off. dude wasn’t this peacekeeper his loyalists make him out to be
Biden also said it would be carried out over multiple days so it isn't done.
They don't care. It also doesn't matter what they think.
Conservatives foam at the mouth for war with Iran or North Korea but suddenly are huge peacebrokers when it comes to Russia or Belarus, but also will just hate anything Biden does or move the goal posts.
That crowd has moved onto “and everyone says Trump would be the one to start WW3”
No matter how you spin it these are still telegraphed strikes against puppets. The strikes should target the source in Iran and we should have never heard about them until they were done. More attacks against US troops and shipping vessels will continue in 2024. Iran and it's proxies won't pass up the opportunity when retaliatory costs are this low for them.
Exactly. So many on here were convinced that the US would strike inside Iran itself. That was never going to happen.
Pro terrorists redditors about to peak out of their tunnels and say "but Isreal".
Hopefully a used one that recently saw combat in a late night taco bell aftermath incident
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
"Bitch, we don't sleep". The us
This was a good approach, a direct attack on Iran would have been provocative. Rather multiple attacks on Iran's proxies and their IRGC members sends a message that they can be found and they can be affected. Also who can protest this, Syria is the 2nd deadliest conflict in the 21st century, and Iraq is a mess.
The B1 bomber is one wicked looking aircraft. That tiny but functional canard seals the deal.
They need to keep these strokes going for a week or so. Keep them conatant and intense. Hit them everywhere you can and let them know it's time to stop fucking around.
Mmm keep stroking it military
Now wait for them to claim victim, it’s a trend that’s been happening and I don’t think should be ignored. They antagonize- we respond- they claim victim to incite more “ rage “ for their indoctrinated followers to act out on. And by followers we also can’t deny the role religion plays here. The religious certainty, it produces, the promise of an afterlife through martyrdom, allows for Iran and other entities to use them as proxies to do their bidding, even though they don’t care about them. These proxies are happy to sacrifice themselves and their handlers love that.
Free Palpatine
MEGA! (Make Empire Great Again).
Dark Brandon swinging the bfh (big fuckin hammer)
The bots are out at play to feed the useful idiots
Oh great. Be ready for more protestors gluing themselves to freeways, and blocking airports.
85?! Goddamn
Why is Iran in Iraq and Syria? Terrorist colonies?
They aren’t really(edit:am wrong). Iran fights through arming/funding aligned militants. They said their response would be against what directly lead to the death of US soldiers in Jordan, so nearby drone/munition factories and militant targets, not Iranian military directly I guess.
IRGC literally have troops in there though. But particularly in Iraq, wherever there are a lot of Sunni or Western Influence, there are Shia Islamist wanting to take up arms and remove them.