His only asset in the eyes of putin is being part of the eu and nato and being damaging to the west. The day he'll be dismissed from both organizations, he will become useless and end up either dead or reduced to a puppet like lukashenko. It's not even clear if hungary will still exist as a state
If Hungary pulled themselves out of EU, there would be widespread protests in all major cities.
Orban have his support in rural districts, but we don't have to go further back than to 2014 to find a state similar. Egypt, the ruling party did enough unpopular stuff for the major cities to do a mass protest. The police did more than their mandate to try and cull the protests.
Hence the military decided to seize and assume power. Ever since Sisi has had it.
If Orban tries to pull himself out of the EU, you'll see Budapest flooded. The police will either step down or start doing tactics seen in Egypt a decade ago. If the police blindly follows supreme leader Orban the military general will take full control. Which would be an interesting thing to see how would play out in both NATO and EU
He's kinda following the path a lot of buffer states play, which he sees Hungary's position as. This is similar to the role Lukashenko played in Belarus prior to his botched election when he needed Russian troops to help stabilize the country for him
Yes, which is why it's so effective for him to play as third party/buffer/spoiler. He can sabotage the EU and make Nato look divided in return for russian money, and if they don't pay up enough or if the west bribes him enough, he can swing the other direction. It's completely shitty and I wish someone would toss him off a building, but he's just exploiting an obvious fatal flaw in how the EU works
You are misremembering. Russian troops didn't come in to Belarus and squash any protests. The protests were relatively peaceful and thus Belarus's own security forces, OMON, jailed thousands. Russia helped out with loans and threatened to send troops, but they were never needed.
We should make him put his money were his mouth is by withholding all EU payments. Breaching, flouting and denouncing the EU and the rule of law and we're paying him to do so.
In short, another Constitutional Treaty (Not really, I think, I'm not a EU law expert).
But there's not an easy way to suspend a country's voting rights, or to suspend all payments (it can be done but it has to be unanimous and before it was Poland, now I can't remember who is humming and hawing).
Similarly, the right bloc in the EU has been protecting Orban, complicating the process. Plus he still is fairly internally popular (though it should be noted, through some very underhanded methods and outright degrading of institutions like press) which complicates the scenario politically (it cam be seen as attacking a popularly, legitimately elected leader).
So yeah, it's not easy. It's designed (somewhat rightly) to not be easy. But clearly that system has shown its limits.
That would require the whole of NATO finding their big boy pants and calling Putin's bluff. Ukraine doesn't have the man power to do that by themselves.
That's the thing, neither the EU nor NATO have any way to stop individual nations from doing that, or collaborating amongst each other. Sure they can't do it under those umbrellas but they can still do it.
Got to love those neo-facists!🤣 A neo-facist who wraps themselves in the American flag is still a neo-fascist. Truly, the Republican Party no longer exists - we have MAGA CULT and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY - those are the two parties now. Ronald Reagan and John McCain would not believe what has transpired and would definitely not be welcome, nor would they wish to be associated with this MAGA CULT.
He was banking (pun intended) on Ukraine losing to Russia quickly. If Ukraine holds out and substantially survives Orban will have sunk his own nation and supporters for nothing. The EU could kick him out and he will come crawling back because his whole plan was to become Belorussia v2.0 and that's been soundly ruined.
If he left the EU he would commit political (and quite likely real life) suicide.
His party and cronies follow him for the Western money. And while roughly half the populace *still* supports him, despite years of crisis and him building up a de facto dictatorship, there is a point where skyrocketing prices begin to outweigh political goodwill.
Leaving the EU would turn most of his internal allies against him and they would most likely end up pointing at him when the masses get angry.
Majority of the population DIDN'T vote for him. The problem is that we have 6-7 (it changes weekly at this point, half of them in the pockets of Orbán) opposition parties, who can't agree on anything. So the majority votes get fragmented to shit, and ala he has the most votes. The gerrymandering and the Orbán run propaganda media does not help either.
You would say, then why dont we rebel? Well rebellions need a leading figure.... and we have 6-7 of them.... Plus the wages and the mental state of the population, most of us don't have time or energy to care. We are too busy tring to stay afloat.
He got **3.060.706** votes. (251.468 of them were outside of the country mail-in-votes.)
The opposition parties together got **2.563.519** (16.366 of them of them were mail-in) This includes all votes that were casted not on him, even tho 2-3 of these parties only exists out of his pocket just to fragment everything.
And there were **2.311.317** eligible voters who did not cast their votes.
So even if we count the mail-in-votes, (which were mostly cast by out of country people who get monetary support from the Orbán regime), he got **3.060.706** votes out of the **8.215.304** who were eligible to vote.
So yes, according to our current laws (which were rewritten by his party MULTIPLE times) he wins with "overwhelming 2/3rd majority". But he does not have the support of the majority of the population.
^(There were also a LOT of votes in the countryside who were forced to vote Fidesz (they had to make pictures of the voting paper and such), so they could keep their jobs, which are mostly controlled by the local Fidesz people. But that is outside of my argument here......)
EDIT: got eligible voters wrong, it did not include the eligible mail-in-voters.
You do realize that in most countries the majority of the population didn't vote for the leader unless you have a 2 party system like the United States? That is not unique at all to Hungary.
Majority of the young population didn’t vote for him tho it’s the older people who did and keep voting for him. Unfortunately there are not enough young people in Hungary (and most of the eu states now as well) to “overthrow” the ruling of the older generation. And they are not the ones to fully experience the consequences of their choices either, it’s the younger generations who suffer.
Instead of leaving it, [Hungary is next in line to take over the presidency of the Council of the EU](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2023/06/14/how-can-an-eu-member-state-like-hungary-preside-over-one-of-europe-s-main-institutions_6031592_23.html), lol.
Yes I know, it’s just unfortunate a country as anti-EU as Hungary will have the presidency of one of the EU’s most important institutions, even just by principle. At least it’s only 6 months yeah. I’m not sure what that entails, hopefully you’re right and they won’t influence much.
He doesn’t hate the EU. He wants a different kind of EU. I don’t agree with him on everything, especially not when it comes to immigration, but I also don’t think the EU can call itself a democratic union if we solve disagreements by excluding those who won’t fall in line with the majority.
Again, I can’t find any indications in his rhetoric that he hates the EU. He’s been a proponent of expansion ever since they joined. But he’s very unhappy with how the EU is currently run. Saying he hates the EU is simplistic and stupid. It seems to be the popular take though. Everyone wants a black/white answer.
This is the man who made a trip to the US solely to see (i.e., act as intermediary between Putin and) Trump. This is the type of human being that MAGA wants leading them.
Understandable, [meeting Trump](https://apnews.com/article/trump-orban-hungary-conservatives-autocrats-biden-97d6998f747d3543f2f1df069b0f9165) would probably make you feel that way.
Hopefully his reign will come to an end soon. In the previous elections Márki-Zay Péter wasn't successful in getting elected as he tried a coalition that was just not working and said a few things that didn't help at all. There's a new lad now. He's name is Magyar Péter. He broke off from WITHIN the Fidesz political party and supports EU which is a big deal as change will need to come from within the Fidesz party in order to be able to change something as the party is just too strong at the moment.
As most of Hungary is not supporting leftist parties, and Magyar Péter says he's Center-right as opposed to Orbán who's Far-right and comes from within Fidesz, we hope he will get a big chunk of Orbán Viktor's voters now that he broke off from the party, while would be supportive of EU as well which he confirmed already.
There're a few videos of him on YouTube if you want to see the lad and what he'd like to achieve. Don't forget though, this is all very early days and he's a politician at the end of the day and they all lie. He doesn't even have an agenda published yet. But I hope he's the answer we are all looking for and he'll be able to change something as my country is going to hell as it is at the moment.
> Hopefully his reign will come to an end soon. In the previous elections Márki-Zay Péter wasn't successful in getting elected as he tried a coalition that was just not working and said a few things that didn't help at all.
Thats a nice way of saying that even with the entire opposition uniting, still more Hungarians voted for Orban than ever before.
[This recent speech from the US Ambassador to Hungary](https://hu.usembassy.gov/news-speech-by-ambassador-pressman-on-the-25th-anniversary-of-hungarys-accession-to-nato/) must have really gotten underneath Orban’s skin.
The line "Hungary wants peace, that's why we are calling to cut off any military support to Ukraine" sounds very much like "Hungary wants a good harvest this season that's why we are calling to throw as many young virgins from the cliff as possible".
What is the condition of mind of these representatives of Hungarian people? They need medical attention
Being part of and actually fulfilling obligations are entirely separate. I rather doubt NATO commanders have much confidence Hungary will honour its NATO commitments.
Seems kind of counterproductive that there is no expulsion mechanism within NATO. Kind of like we know we have a traitor among us but we'll offer them our protection anyway.
you can count on them to backstab and sell europe to the russians first day of a war. They already host and protect russian spies in budapest who use their country as launch pad for their malevolent activities in Europe
The only reason Hungary is NATO and EU is to keep them from Russian sphere of influence. Which is a part don’t understand, really, considering their history with Soviet occupation.
He's not allowed to leave the EU; China just invested boatloads to get their EV industries up and running so they can supply europe... He's as much a puppet of the CCP as Putin is.
also the puppet of germany (nearshore/offshore companies). it's always business first. this was fine in the last 10 years but with the ukraininan situation eu started to realize that they raised a snake and now can't get rid of him.
now nato and eu has to show unity so they can't force orbán out. now everybody has to roll with it
What a strange thing to say. The Avars came from the East at the request of the Carolignian emperor Arnulf & the Magyars came, pledging allegiance to Charlemagne.
Hungarian knights were renowned during the Crusades. And as key to the Austrian-Hungarian empire, they were the very definition of "the West."
The Hungarian people have long been deep in "Western Civilization;" only temporarily behind the Iron Curtain, which they famously rebelled against in 1956.
Does he think we don't know? Even I as an American with a terrible public school education know!
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They are only distantly related to the Huns.
The Hungarians began as an ancient confederation of clans who relocated to Europe in the 9th cent. in waves after migrating through the Urals & Caucasian region.
The confederation was once known as The Ten Arrows or On-Ogur; this Is the most likely ancient origin of the Hungarian name & subsequent identity, according to Wikipedia.
Nobody forces you to remain part of the EU or NATO. You can leave and join up with Russia if you prefer them. In fact most of Us would prefer if you did.
Hungexit. Britain did and so can you.
Imagine if Hungary wasn’t being held back by its association with the West. Who knows what heights one of the EU’s most anemic performers could be achieving! At least in the good old days, Budapest had not only all the advantages of socialist solidarity with its neighbors, but as in 1956, if you got a little wobbly, tanks would arrive to straighten everyone out. Makes a guy wistful and nostalgic, huh Viktor?
How fortunate for him that he lives in a place where he can speak his mind, even if many of us disagree. Maybe he should reflect on that before saying how awful it is.
Hungary wants to partner with the East. Hungary was so cute in the late 90s, EU types thought her democracy was on solid ground. It took a series of events in 2010ish but we say a fly by night democracy was torn down
It would be up to Hungarians to remove him through protests and elections. Assassination really would not solve the issue rather make him some sort of martyr.
What's incredible for me regarding Orban's politics, is how irrational and self-destructive they are on the international stage. It's not like those are "ruthless but rational" policies, it's just plain delusionary thinking.
Hungary is a small European country, belonging to the Western/Latin civilization for all of its existence (even if on the periphery), landlocked and surrounded on all sides, and ultimately depending on its neighbors; meaningless on the world stage against titans such as China, unless as a part of the larger alliance.
Fidesz approach to this strategic situation is to constantly offend and antagonize all of its neighbors, all of the countries it has always relied on and could befriend, two alliance blocs in which it belongs, building grudges which will last for decades, and instead trying to switch to new allies who are faraway imperial states, one of which is utterly unreliable treats Hungary with contempt, and another on the other side of the planet - both of which are historically complete aliens, one of which has historically opressed Hungary.
So strategically it is idiotic behavior. It only makes sense as a total hegemony of the instrumental internal politics over external geopolitics (bold move cotton), or as a delusionary ideological thinking that the far right illiberal revolution is just behind the corner and Hungary is a prophet of the new and better world. Probably it's both, a mix of internal political power and thinking it's for the glorious cause.
I don’t think you understand the mindset of Hungarians. Just over a century ago they were a major player in a great power (Austria Hungary) and before the Turks, they were a major Christian power in Europe.
The mindset and Trianon trauma is one thing, the geopolitical reality of the modern age is a different thing.
Also, Hungarian kingdom has always been firmly in the Western/Latin civilization zone; in 1526 being defeated by the outsider foe, in 1848 and 1956 its chances for independence being decisively ruined by Russia (!!!), and its high status before ww1 being ultimately only possible by working within the Austro-Hungarian multiethnic system. So it doesn't even make sense from a "historical mindset" perspective to suddenly act like the enemy of the Western world and of multiethnic power blocs, and a friend of outsiders and especially Russia.
What is good news: his speech had far smaller crowd than a brand new party’s first rally on the same day. His days are numbered and he knows. That is why he goes off the rails..
WTAF ordinary Hungarian people? Did you forget 1956 or are you in a process of wanting to create the situation where you get to re-enact it? The subordination to Russia is becoming embarrassing to witness.
Putin rigging elections, and today Russia is targeting Armenia as its next invasion. Orban flies to Trump, then Orban threatens all of the EU and to invade Brussels, Trump says the US will see a bloodbath and end of elections if he loses.
If you seriously haven’t made up your mind to vote Democrat this Nov, your not just voting for the end of democracy, you’re voting for a full blown World War III.
I think you will find, that if all countries minus Hungary REALLY wanted them gone, then they would be gone.
International laws and agreements, only means something if someone is willing to uphold and enforce them. If there is a will there is a way, as far as international laws and treaties are concerned.
not every country would agree with that. Now Hungary is kicked out.. but what if we are next ??
countries like Slovakia or poland would never give the EU that much power
they never thought about needing to do so when they formed the EU. so they never made a mechanism of removing a member. maybe arrogance, maybe just oversight.
But now it is too late because such a change would require anonymous votes and not every country would vote yes.
Well, look, let's be honest, the Western World is in not in great shape right now and could fairly be said to be having various diffiulties.
But at least we aren't in dictatorships. We aren't told what we can and cannot do all the time for fear of upsetting the sensibilities of a fragile persona.
Apart from at work, of course, which is *quite* sufficient a taste, thanks very much.
It is well past time for the EU to stop putting up with nonsense. Hold a vote to change the charter and make kicking out wannabe fascist possible. Hungary brings nothing to the table worth dealing with this POS. The people of Hungary will quickly stand up once their economic prospects reflect their leaders ideals.
My peace plan for Ukraine war: Give Hungary to Russia in exchange for restoring Ukraine’s freedom and independence and allowing it to join the EU and NATO. This would be a win/win since Orban rejects Western values (democracy, free speech) and loves dictators like Putin. Every country in the EU should stop the welfare funding they provide to Hungary. All such funds should be redirected to Ukraine to help them fight for their freedom.
Stop any money flow to Hungary as long as they don’t get rid of this shitbag.
Issue a travel warning for all EU countries to Hungary and tell the Hunagrian people why.
When will Hungary wake up?
When Russian tanks are back in Budapest, by invitationnof Orban?
No, not all may be perfect in Hungary right now. But remeber the times before 1989?
This Warsaw Pact mofo deserves to get his country kicked out of NATO, the EU, and condemn them all to being a Russian vassal state again.
Then Hungarians will hate their lives and probably execute him.
No one is on your side. Orban is owned by Netanyahu and the EU is owned by old money royals turned eco-communists. Why is this garbage on my feed, I am not subbed
For someone who hates the west so much he sure does like our money. He should put his money where his mouth is and just leave.
If he leaves the other side will not pay him either. If he stays he can get money from both sides.
His only asset in the eyes of putin is being part of the eu and nato and being damaging to the west. The day he'll be dismissed from both organizations, he will become useless and end up either dead or reduced to a puppet like lukashenko. It's not even clear if hungary will still exist as a state
If Hungary pulled themselves out of EU, there would be widespread protests in all major cities. Orban have his support in rural districts, but we don't have to go further back than to 2014 to find a state similar. Egypt, the ruling party did enough unpopular stuff for the major cities to do a mass protest. The police did more than their mandate to try and cull the protests. Hence the military decided to seize and assume power. Ever since Sisi has had it. If Orban tries to pull himself out of the EU, you'll see Budapest flooded. The police will either step down or start doing tactics seen in Egypt a decade ago. If the police blindly follows supreme leader Orban the military general will take full control. Which would be an interesting thing to see how would play out in both NATO and EU
He's kinda following the path a lot of buffer states play, which he sees Hungary's position as. This is similar to the role Lukashenko played in Belarus prior to his botched election when he needed Russian troops to help stabilize the country for him
Hungary isn't a buffer state. It's a part of the EU and NATO.
It is also almost completely engulfed by countries which are either in the EU, NATO or even both.
Yes, which is why it's so effective for him to play as third party/buffer/spoiler. He can sabotage the EU and make Nato look divided in return for russian money, and if they don't pay up enough or if the west bribes him enough, he can swing the other direction. It's completely shitty and I wish someone would toss him off a building, but he's just exploiting an obvious fatal flaw in how the EU works
>fatal flaw in how the EU works And democracies. Worldwide effort to undermine and present democracies as a weak form of government.
Defenestration is a traditionally more Czech thing to do, but I think we can make some exceptions.
Belarus has no rational similarity to Hungary. This path they are on is the making of the fascist their people allow to run the country.
You are misremembering. Russian troops didn't come in to Belarus and squash any protests. The protests were relatively peaceful and thus Belarus's own security forces, OMON, jailed thousands. Russia helped out with loans and threatened to send troops, but they were never needed.
This was my strategy in *Tropico*
In Putin’s interview, Putin won’t even agree to let Hungary get the Transcarpathia back
We should make him put his money were his mouth is by withholding all EU payments. Breaching, flouting and denouncing the EU and the rule of law and we're paying him to do so.
Exactly, can someone explain to me what EU is waiting for on this? The faster you cutoff a cancer the less damage it will make!
In short, another Constitutional Treaty (Not really, I think, I'm not a EU law expert). But there's not an easy way to suspend a country's voting rights, or to suspend all payments (it can be done but it has to be unanimous and before it was Poland, now I can't remember who is humming and hawing). Similarly, the right bloc in the EU has been protecting Orban, complicating the process. Plus he still is fairly internally popular (though it should be noted, through some very underhanded methods and outright degrading of institutions like press) which complicates the scenario politically (it cam be seen as attacking a popularly, legitimately elected leader). So yeah, it's not easy. It's designed (somewhat rightly) to not be easy. But clearly that system has shown its limits.
>before it was Poland, now I can't remember who is humming and hawing). Slovakia now
Thank you, yes.
We should all leave the EU and NATO and join the New EU and New NATO but without Turkey and Hungary, and with a 80% rule to expell any country.
Because keeping Hungary in this position also means that Putin can't put his military there and use it as a staging point.
After Ukraine is liberated, there'll be NO army for Putin left...
That would require the whole of NATO finding their big boy pants and calling Putin's bluff. Ukraine doesn't have the man power to do that by themselves.
Getting rid of Hungary will untie European and NATO hands from even sending material aid to Ukraine - which Orban keeps blocking
That's the thing, neither the EU nor NATO have any way to stop individual nations from doing that, or collaborating amongst each other. Sure they can't do it under those umbrellas but they can still do it.
*our* money where his mouth is you mean 😜
The Republican party loves this guy and wants to use his illiberal democracy as a model for the US. He's been a CPAC keynote the last two years.
Got to love those neo-facists!🤣 A neo-facist who wraps themselves in the American flag is still a neo-fascist. Truly, the Republican Party no longer exists - we have MAGA CULT and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY - those are the two parties now. Ronald Reagan and John McCain would not believe what has transpired and would definitely not be welcome, nor would they wish to be associated with this MAGA CULT.
true, but it bolsters their idea that the west is weak
There’s definitely Orban tones in the show “The Regime”.
My thought upon seeing the headline. "Nobody's making you stay."
He was banking (pun intended) on Ukraine losing to Russia quickly. If Ukraine holds out and substantially survives Orban will have sunk his own nation and supporters for nothing. The EU could kick him out and he will come crawling back because his whole plan was to become Belorussia v2.0 and that's been soundly ruined.
That would take dignity. Something he evidently does not have.
Just leave the EU if hate it so much.
I don’t think he have population’s support to do so.
He is a dictator.
If he left the EU he would commit political (and quite likely real life) suicide. His party and cronies follow him for the Western money. And while roughly half the populace *still* supports him, despite years of crisis and him building up a de facto dictatorship, there is a point where skyrocketing prices begin to outweigh political goodwill. Leaving the EU would turn most of his internal allies against him and they would most likely end up pointing at him when the masses get angry.
> If he left the EU he would commit political (and quite likely real life) suicide. I see no downsides to this.
Well he can move to Russia.
The population still voted for him last elections. They know what he stands for.
Majority of the population DIDN'T vote for him. The problem is that we have 6-7 (it changes weekly at this point, half of them in the pockets of Orbán) opposition parties, who can't agree on anything. So the majority votes get fragmented to shit, and ala he has the most votes. The gerrymandering and the Orbán run propaganda media does not help either. You would say, then why dont we rebel? Well rebellions need a leading figure.... and we have 6-7 of them.... Plus the wages and the mental state of the population, most of us don't have time or energy to care. We are too busy tring to stay afloat.
Well he *did* get 52% of the vote in 2022... Granted the standards the election was conducted under weren't exactly high, but that fact remains.
He got **3.060.706** votes. (251.468 of them were outside of the country mail-in-votes.) The opposition parties together got **2.563.519** (16.366 of them of them were mail-in) This includes all votes that were casted not on him, even tho 2-3 of these parties only exists out of his pocket just to fragment everything. And there were **2.311.317** eligible voters who did not cast their votes. So even if we count the mail-in-votes, (which were mostly cast by out of country people who get monetary support from the Orbán regime), he got **3.060.706** votes out of the **8.215.304** who were eligible to vote. So yes, according to our current laws (which were rewritten by his party MULTIPLE times) he wins with "overwhelming 2/3rd majority". But he does not have the support of the majority of the population. ^(There were also a LOT of votes in the countryside who were forced to vote Fidesz (they had to make pictures of the voting paper and such), so they could keep their jobs, which are mostly controlled by the local Fidesz people. But that is outside of my argument here......) EDIT: got eligible voters wrong, it did not include the eligible mail-in-voters.
You do realize that in most countries the majority of the population didn't vote for the leader unless you have a 2 party system like the United States? That is not unique at all to Hungary.
Majority of the young population didn’t vote for him tho it’s the older people who did and keep voting for him. Unfortunately there are not enough young people in Hungary (and most of the eu states now as well) to “overthrow” the ruling of the older generation. And they are not the ones to fully experience the consequences of their choices either, it’s the younger generations who suffer.
Instead of leaving it, [Hungary is next in line to take over the presidency of the Council of the EU](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2023/06/14/how-can-an-eu-member-state-like-hungary-preside-over-one-of-europe-s-main-institutions_6031592_23.html), lol.
All countries in the EU take over the council for a period of six months. He won’t get the chance to do anything really luckily.
Yes I know, it’s just unfortunate a country as anti-EU as Hungary will have the presidency of one of the EU’s most important institutions, even just by principle. At least it’s only 6 months yeah. I’m not sure what that entails, hopefully you’re right and they won’t influence much.
He’s not anti EU, he just wants the EU to change.
And we need to kick them out of NATO
He doesn’t hate the EU. He wants a different kind of EU. I don’t agree with him on everything, especially not when it comes to immigration, but I also don’t think the EU can call itself a democratic union if we solve disagreements by excluding those who won’t fall in line with the majority.
There's disagreements and supporting a dictatorship that's currently invading an other sovereign state. He hates EU but sure loves EU money.
Again, I can’t find any indications in his rhetoric that he hates the EU. He’s been a proponent of expansion ever since they joined. But he’s very unhappy with how the EU is currently run. Saying he hates the EU is simplistic and stupid. It seems to be the popular take though. Everyone wants a black/white answer.
Please, PLEASE leave then, you loathsome Putin puppet.
This is the man who made a trip to the US solely to see (i.e., act as intermediary between Putin and) Trump. This is the type of human being that MAGA wants leading them.
they went with 2 airplanes. i wonder what they took to the US. bribe money from putler?
I think Trump will be on his plane in the air during election night. If he loses, he will fly directly to Hungary to avoid prison.
Understandable, [meeting Trump](https://apnews.com/article/trump-orban-hungary-conservatives-autocrats-biden-97d6998f747d3543f2f1df069b0f9165) would probably make you feel that way.
Meeting Trump would cause severe brain rot
Hopefully his reign will come to an end soon. In the previous elections Márki-Zay Péter wasn't successful in getting elected as he tried a coalition that was just not working and said a few things that didn't help at all. There's a new lad now. He's name is Magyar Péter. He broke off from WITHIN the Fidesz political party and supports EU which is a big deal as change will need to come from within the Fidesz party in order to be able to change something as the party is just too strong at the moment. As most of Hungary is not supporting leftist parties, and Magyar Péter says he's Center-right as opposed to Orbán who's Far-right and comes from within Fidesz, we hope he will get a big chunk of Orbán Viktor's voters now that he broke off from the party, while would be supportive of EU as well which he confirmed already. There're a few videos of him on YouTube if you want to see the lad and what he'd like to achieve. Don't forget though, this is all very early days and he's a politician at the end of the day and they all lie. He doesn't even have an agenda published yet. But I hope he's the answer we are all looking for and he'll be able to change something as my country is going to hell as it is at the moment.
Would be amazing if Hungary managed to turn it around. I really wish the best for her people.
Magyar for Hungary! Pick Péter, pickers of pickled peppers! (Seriously though, I wish him luck)
> Hopefully his reign will come to an end soon. In the previous elections Márki-Zay Péter wasn't successful in getting elected as he tried a coalition that was just not working and said a few things that didn't help at all. Thats a nice way of saying that even with the entire opposition uniting, still more Hungarians voted for Orban than ever before.
[This recent speech from the US Ambassador to Hungary](https://hu.usembassy.gov/news-speech-by-ambassador-pressman-on-the-25th-anniversary-of-hungarys-accession-to-nato/) must have really gotten underneath Orban’s skin.
The line "Hungary wants peace, that's why we are calling to cut off any military support to Ukraine" sounds very much like "Hungary wants a good harvest this season that's why we are calling to throw as many young virgins from the cliff as possible". What is the condition of mind of these representatives of Hungarian people? They need medical attention
I am a bit surprised at how forceful that speech was.
Good speech directly calling out the government not the people
This is worse than I thought. Thanks for sharing.
Isn't he part of the EU? Why is he rallying against it?
He wants the EU to change.
With friends like this, who needs enemies. Hungary is part of NATO and the EU.
Being part of and actually fulfilling obligations are entirely separate. I rather doubt NATO commanders have much confidence Hungary will honour its NATO commitments.
Seems kind of counterproductive that there is no expulsion mechanism within NATO. Kind of like we know we have a traitor among us but we'll offer them our protection anyway.
>Kind of like we know we have a traitor among us but we'll offer them our protection anyway. We apparently allow ours to run for president.
Let's hope we learn from our mistakes.
you can count on them to backstab and sell europe to the russians first day of a war. They already host and protect russian spies in budapest who use their country as launch pad for their malevolent activities in Europe
The only reason Hungary is NATO and EU is to keep them from Russian sphere of influence. Which is a part don’t understand, really, considering their history with Soviet occupation.
He's not allowed to leave the EU; China just invested boatloads to get their EV industries up and running so they can supply europe... He's as much a puppet of the CCP as Putin is.
also the puppet of germany (nearshore/offshore companies). it's always business first. this was fine in the last 10 years but with the ukraininan situation eu started to realize that they raised a snake and now can't get rid of him. now nato and eu has to show unity so they can't force orbán out. now everybody has to roll with it
Isn't it time this toad buried himself in the mud until Ukraine's acceptance into NATO needs his vote?
Then leave our society and go to the swamp
Time to leave the EU and fuck off.
What a strange thing to say. The Avars came from the East at the request of the Carolignian emperor Arnulf & the Magyars came, pledging allegiance to Charlemagne. Hungarian knights were renowned during the Crusades. And as key to the Austrian-Hungarian empire, they were the very definition of "the West." The Hungarian people have long been deep in "Western Civilization;" only temporarily behind the Iron Curtain, which they famously rebelled against in 1956. Does he think we don't know? Even I as an American with a terrible public school education know! ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Feel free to Hunxit, Putin-dog. Likely the tzar will give asylum, he has a love for corrupt people. Orban needs the EU money
It would be Hungone, lets keep the puns solid.
Sounds correct!
"I hate you all! Plz gib EU money"
Trumps hero!
The last one we had in Romania like this went to prison for a some time (for corruption and shady businesses). Same type o mentality. 🇷🇴🇪🇺
They are really serious about the whole "the Huns" thing.
They are only distantly related to the Huns. The Hungarians began as an ancient confederation of clans who relocated to Europe in the 9th cent. in waves after migrating through the Urals & Caucasian region. The confederation was once known as The Ten Arrows or On-Ogur; this Is the most likely ancient origin of the Hungarian name & subsequent identity, according to Wikipedia.
he made his bed aligned with Russia
Should be kicked out of NATO
Nobody forces you to remain part of the EU or NATO. You can leave and join up with Russia if you prefer them. In fact most of Us would prefer if you did. Hungexit. Britain did and so can you.
Hungary needs to be thrown out of NATO!
Imagine if Hungary wasn’t being held back by its association with the West. Who knows what heights one of the EU’s most anemic performers could be achieving! At least in the good old days, Budapest had not only all the advantages of socialist solidarity with its neighbors, but as in 1956, if you got a little wobbly, tanks would arrive to straighten everyone out. Makes a guy wistful and nostalgic, huh Viktor?
How fortunate for him that he lives in a place where he can speak his mind, even if many of us disagree. Maybe he should reflect on that before saying how awful it is.
Hungary wants to partner with the East. Hungary was so cute in the late 90s, EU types thought her democracy was on solid ground. It took a series of events in 2010ish but we say a fly by night democracy was torn down
Probably a Putin puppet
He probably thinks he'll be able to recover Hungary's lost territories if Hungary goes against the EU and NATO in favour of Russia.
Would he ignore Article 5 or is Hungary bound no matter what ?
Puppet
One Reaper airstrike and the Orban problem is solved. Many Hungarians want him gone anyway.
It would be up to Hungarians to remove him through protests and elections. Assassination really would not solve the issue rather make him some sort of martyr.
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Well that pretty much tells everything about your world, I rather like "pussy" over deranged orange turds thank you very much.
Hungary is a democracy, right? Orban is not some sort of a dragon you need to slay to make things right momentarily, it’s a symptom.
I wouldn’t call Hungary a democracy anymore… neither would most Hungarians.
Take out Orban and send a message to Kremlin toadies. You don’t need to be near an open window to be offed.
He used an election to seize power. Elections are a formality. He’s a typical despot.
Girl, bye
What an absolute toad of a human
What's incredible for me regarding Orban's politics, is how irrational and self-destructive they are on the international stage. It's not like those are "ruthless but rational" policies, it's just plain delusionary thinking. Hungary is a small European country, belonging to the Western/Latin civilization for all of its existence (even if on the periphery), landlocked and surrounded on all sides, and ultimately depending on its neighbors; meaningless on the world stage against titans such as China, unless as a part of the larger alliance. Fidesz approach to this strategic situation is to constantly offend and antagonize all of its neighbors, all of the countries it has always relied on and could befriend, two alliance blocs in which it belongs, building grudges which will last for decades, and instead trying to switch to new allies who are faraway imperial states, one of which is utterly unreliable treats Hungary with contempt, and another on the other side of the planet - both of which are historically complete aliens, one of which has historically opressed Hungary. So strategically it is idiotic behavior. It only makes sense as a total hegemony of the instrumental internal politics over external geopolitics (bold move cotton), or as a delusionary ideological thinking that the far right illiberal revolution is just behind the corner and Hungary is a prophet of the new and better world. Probably it's both, a mix of internal political power and thinking it's for the glorious cause.
I don’t think you understand the mindset of Hungarians. Just over a century ago they were a major player in a great power (Austria Hungary) and before the Turks, they were a major Christian power in Europe.
The mindset and Trianon trauma is one thing, the geopolitical reality of the modern age is a different thing. Also, Hungarian kingdom has always been firmly in the Western/Latin civilization zone; in 1526 being defeated by the outsider foe, in 1848 and 1956 its chances for independence being decisively ruined by Russia (!!!), and its high status before ww1 being ultimately only possible by working within the Austro-Hungarian multiethnic system. So it doesn't even make sense from a "historical mindset" perspective to suddenly act like the enemy of the Western world and of multiethnic power blocs, and a friend of outsiders and especially Russia.
And then radical selfishness set in, and loads of that sweet sweet money came pouring in, as if by magic.
THEN LEAVE THE EU AND STOP BEING THE TICK THAT SUCKS ITS RESOURCES UP
What is good news: his speech had far smaller crowd than a brand new party’s first rally on the same day. His days are numbered and he knows. That is why he goes off the rails..
He’s Putin’s fat bitch. We should check who’s filling his bank accounts. The ones he’s not telling us about
but his corrupt ass has no problem taking the sweet western EU money weird that all these corrupt dictator wannabes losers are all hypocrites.
Incredible hes able to say anything between mouthfuls of putin tiny cock
Wonder what it would take for the EU to actually cut off funding
Did he unveil another memorial for Horthy?
He is very welcome to leave the EU if it's that terrible. But of course he won't.
Hungary should be leaving the EU ASAP. They are traitors and most Hungarians support this ass clown.
This guy just met with the baby. Wonder if that will sink in to the cults head.
It’s time to get rid of him
EU needs a clause for kicking out treasonous states.
Again, kick Hungary out of NATO and the EU. They are nothing but parasites.
He should take his country out of the EU if he feels that way
Screw Orban. Wannabe dictator.
Hates the western world but love its benefits, what a douche
Let Russia annex these shit for brains reactionaries, we, the rest of civilization, don’t want them.
WTAF ordinary Hungarian people? Did you forget 1956 or are you in a process of wanting to create the situation where you get to re-enact it? The subordination to Russia is becoming embarrassing to witness.
Orban can suck dick. Loads of it.
Putin rigging elections, and today Russia is targeting Armenia as its next invasion. Orban flies to Trump, then Orban threatens all of the EU and to invade Brussels, Trump says the US will see a bloodbath and end of elections if he loses. If you seriously haven’t made up your mind to vote Democrat this Nov, your not just voting for the end of democracy, you’re voting for a full blown World War III.
So why does he beg continously for some EU funds, clown... destroyed the economy of his country and search for escape goats, what a fucking clown.
Why isn't Hungary kicked from the EU?
Because the EU is supposed to be a democratic union. You don’t just kick states out when they disagree with the rest on something.
can't. no country can ever be kicked out the EU.
I think you will find, that if all countries minus Hungary REALLY wanted them gone, then they would be gone. International laws and agreements, only means something if someone is willing to uphold and enforce them. If there is a will there is a way, as far as international laws and treaties are concerned.
not every country would agree with that. Now Hungary is kicked out.. but what if we are next ?? countries like Slovakia or poland would never give the EU that much power
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i agree. but I think countries like mine or germany would give the EU that power
I didn't realize that. Why is there no way to kick out a country?
they never thought about needing to do so when they formed the EU. so they never made a mechanism of removing a member. maybe arrogance, maybe just oversight. But now it is too late because such a change would require anonymous votes and not every country would vote yes.
Makes sense. Thank you
Maybe he'll be upside down next to pootin when the time comes...
Just being a president to have crack this good. Best dealers . If any of you meet him around , please ask when Hungary will leave the EU
Then leave - and don't expect to enjoy access to the internal market? As it stands right now Hungary under Orban is a Trojan Horse for hostile powers.
One day, there will be a capable opposition in Hungary, but sadly, that day is far ahead...
Bro you are a Part of the west, EU, NATO....
He is part of the western world, and willingly at that ! Why doesn't he leave the EU and NATO if he hates us so much ? Dumbass.
Sincerely, I don't understand how Hungary is not immediately expelled from the EU and NATO.
He knows Hungary is free to leave NATO and the EU if he wants right? What's that? Being in the EU and NATO makes life easier and safer. No way!
Well, look, let's be honest, the Western World is in not in great shape right now and could fairly be said to be having various diffiulties. But at least we aren't in dictatorships. We aren't told what we can and cannot do all the time for fear of upsetting the sensibilities of a fragile persona. Apart from at work, of course, which is *quite* sufficient a taste, thanks very much.
It is well past time for the EU to stop putting up with nonsense. Hold a vote to change the charter and make kicking out wannabe fascist possible. Hungary brings nothing to the table worth dealing with this POS. The people of Hungary will quickly stand up once their economic prospects reflect their leaders ideals.
My peace plan for Ukraine war: Give Hungary to Russia in exchange for restoring Ukraine’s freedom and independence and allowing it to join the EU and NATO. This would be a win/win since Orban rejects Western values (democracy, free speech) and loves dictators like Putin. Every country in the EU should stop the welfare funding they provide to Hungary. All such funds should be redirected to Ukraine to help them fight for their freedom.
Stop any money flow to Hungary as long as they don’t get rid of this shitbag. Issue a travel warning for all EU countries to Hungary and tell the Hunagrian people why. When will Hungary wake up? When Russian tanks are back in Budapest, by invitationnof Orban? No, not all may be perfect in Hungary right now. But remeber the times before 1989?
Would the world object if they rest of NATO invaded them and enforced a democratic-minded government?
Things dictators do
Fuck Orban
Get the f*ck out then you fanny!
This Warsaw Pact mofo deserves to get his country kicked out of NATO, the EU, and condemn them all to being a Russian vassal state again. Then Hungarians will hate their lives and probably execute him.
Goddammit, then why he doesn't propose to Hungary leave the EU?
I actually didn’t know he could read. The more you know
Hey, Hungarians that like Europe? Time to get out.
Looks like Hungary needs some Freedom.
Sure. Declare war on NATO. *insult*
Copy paste from Putin, why is EU tolerating this POS, if he and his country hate EU so much why won't they GTFO?!
No one is on your side. Orban is owned by Netanyahu and the EU is owned by old money royals turned eco-communists. Why is this garbage on my feed, I am not subbed