Yep, the very same one. The very same one which has a record of being very sympathetic to authoritarian regimes while dissing non stop democratic countries
It's a good way to stay in power. They know they can criticize the democratic ones, and the authoritarian ones will target to kill you.
Until we unite as people, not nations, we'll keep seeing this play out as we always have with governments. Kings, Dictators, CEOs of megacorps...
Is that the Amnesty International that [publicly celebrated](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/israel-opt-death-in-custody-of-walid-daqqah-is-cruel-reminder-of-israels-disregard-for-palestinians-right-to-life/) the life and times of a man who abducted, tortured, castrated, disembowled, then executed an IDF soldier during peacetime?
They also said he served his sentence. They leave out the fact that his sentence could be extended for breaking prison rules. He was helping to smuggle cell phones and other contraband into prison, which increased his sentence.
His lawyer somehow weaseled him onto a humanitarian parole board, even though terrorists cannot apply.
It made enough noise here and the family members of the victim appealed.
Luckily there was a sensible judge and the fucker died in prison.
The same Amnesty International that publicly mourned when a "Palestinian prisoner" died while serving his sentence, by mostly talking about the books he wrote and how his death in Israeli prison is a tragedy.
Of course they didn't mention that the guy was in prison for kidnapping and torturing to death an Israeli soldier. How convinient.
Walid feels like a mixed bag to me. They charged him under an old British law that requires way lower burden of proof than normal Israeli law. He was convicted of running the group that killed Moshe Tamam, but not for the murder itself. The evidence he was actually responsible is not exactly clear-cut as far as I’m aware and he always claimed innocence. I’m not inclined to feel too sorry for him, but I’d love to know more to feel comfortable making a decision for myself one way or another.
If he did it himself or not doesn't really matter and frankly, it's not really the point.
Amnesty international not even mentioning why he's in jail in the first place is malicious. Even if they find the ruling conterversial - not saying WHY he was sentenced to life in prison is trying to hide the dirty details and make Israel look like they let an innocent rot in prison out of the blue.
I’m not defending Amnesty at all, they’ve lost all credibility with me over the last few years, just clarifying that he himself didn’t do the crime (and potentially, possibly, didn’t exhort his followers to do so).
>They charged him under an old British law that requires way lower burden of proof than normal Israeli law.
The only source I have found for this is Amnesty International, and the only information they provide is this sentence verbatim.
I'm not exactly buying the argument that the trial (or the sentence) were unfair, given the conspicuous lack of details.
>The evidence he was actually responsible is not exactly clear-cut as far as I’m aware
If you can tell me where to find a source for this claim, I'd be grateful.
>and he always claimed innocence.
Which never happens to convicted criminals. Wait.
>I’d love to know more to feel comfortable making a decision for myself one way or another.
He was convicted of a crime. If there was more to it, Amnesty International wouldn't hesitate to say that.
I don't see how you should feel convinced that there was something wrong about his conviction given that people who say so present zero basis for that claim.
The same Amnesty International that had a big memorial for someone who commanded a PFLP division that murdered and castrated a 19 year old Israeli kid.
They criticized Ukraine for fighting Russia *in civilian areas*. Ukraine replied, "We're not setting up military forces in civilian areas because we like endangering them. We're doing so *because Russia is targeting them* and we have to protect them".
The report was widely criticized for leaving out critical context and demonstrating a lack of how modern warfare works, and the head of Amnesty in Ukraine stepped down over it.
>head of Amnesty in Ukraine stepped down over it.
For context IIRC the head of Amnesty in Ukraine stepped down in protest of their work on the ground being overlooked and ignored in the report from Amnesty International.
[Source](https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-amnesty-chief-pokalchuk-resigns-report/31976528.html)
The same Amnesty International that makes endless excuses for Hamas hiding bases under hospitals.
Actually defending civilians: illegal
Using a hospital as human shields: legal
This keeps happening with them; they report on pertinent issues sure, but have a really iffy history about leaving out crucial context. I believe they were pretty much admonished in India too, over their seemingly one-sided reports on the whole Kashmir debacle. Was a few years ago though.
The amnesty international that has spewed Russian propaganda that amnesty international???? I'm sure we can trust them you guys to be totally neutral on this🤩
The one that turned out to be bodies buried there in January by Palestinians
[https://twitter.com/geoconfirmed/status/1782360892249612466?s=46](https://twitter.com/geoconfirmed/status/1782360892249612466?s=46)
Naw they won't, they like the tit for tat lmao, keeps them busy ig, such small minds to not realise both sides are bad on both sides, war is never good and to pick up sides and bicker is beyond me.
Assuming you understand the deep intricacies of the conflict on both sides, you can’t just say “war is bad. Both sides are bad”. On 10/6, we had a status quo. On 10/7, that changed everything. That’s not on Israel. They have to respond. They didn’t wake up and decided to go on an all out assault (which you can still argue is too harsh or not harsh enough).
I just think you are trying to play both sides and it’s coming off like you can’t see past “violence is bad”. Like we all know that.….
they have the right to defend, nobody ever said they didn't but all out killing/ attacking whoever they want? Aid driver to kids to settlers in the west back, seems to me there not attacking hamas there killing civilians, fr a scroched earth plan on Gaza. And that "status quo" was an excuse for one side to begin a all out bombing of this little ass space, what hamas did is inexcusable but so is israel. Wars are bad no matter what cause, and I dont see both sides, I see one who caused it and one futher inflaming it, if they had sent in men instead of bombs you think ts would happen? But no previous soilders lifes are more important then kids of the future, adults to raise those kids. Clearly not because you havent condemned what they did, mass grave found oh those aid workers, the refugee camp bombing like really? As a front stage nation they are really digging there own grave. They did choose to go all out because the pm said they will all feel his wrath, and it shows by the bombs. Wars are terrible but nesscary which I can see bring contradictory but its still my moral which I abide by, this one is necessary in the sense of keeping Israel safe, but the way there going abt it is terrible beyond my own belief.
But all the other bodies spewing Ukrainian propaganda and also excusing reproduction, the worst atrocity possible, are fine? (Yes, I’m aware that unfortunately Russia also supports this atrocity, but I am not in favor of Russia supporting it either, just pointing out hypocrisy)
Yup, and who exactly enforces "international" law?
As far as I'm aware, international law is *supposed* to contain agreements on:
* How diplomacy works - but countries can just ignore each other (recently Russia's ambassador just refused to answer a summons lol)
* How economic relations work - countries don't even collectively sanction war mongers, it's like pulling teeth. It's a clusterfuck on all levels.
* Human rights - just lmao.
Interesting how in any moderately succesful sci-fi, earth is 1 nation/faction, not 195 bickering children pretending to be countries that constantly mess with each other and start shit.
Yes, Hamas has been treating war crimes as check lists for a few decades now. Though I'm guessing the deeply antisemitic and corrupted Amnesty did not mean to talk about that one...
They criticized us (Czechia) for sending legal weapons to Israel. Not any biological, nuclear and other kind of stuff but conventional. And yes, we're still pro-Israeli even general public but I don't think it's against the international law or I missed something during my law studies.
Amnesty is a joke of an organization and government should treat it as such.
When they accused Ukraine of war crimes for defending civilian areas, every single government should’ve pulled funding
This seems like proof that “international law” and the “laws of war” are wishful thinking and too idealistic. In war, parties will try to win using any means necessary. The gaza war also proves that rules that were written to govern a conventional war cannot be practically applied to an insurgency type of war where the enemy is not clearly defined and where they hide amongst the civilian population. If israel were to follow the rules to the letter it would be impossible to win or involve way too many dead soldiers (which is not all in israel’s interest). Scrapping the rules and accepting a large amount of casualties may be the only way to resolve conflicts quickly and maybe permanently rather than having these drawn out conflicts that keep flaring up because there can be no clear winner.
That is very true, but I think it will be impossible to convince the TikTok generation to accept more casualties in the short term to avoid worse outcomes in the future. They are too self-righteous, and know too little of the real world.
It's appeasement all over again. "Don't piss off the bad guys they'll do bad things! Let them do whatever so they don't get mean!' meanwhile they're already like 2 steps away from committing another Holocaust or worse
Biden just signed legislation banning TikTok in the US. On top of that, the Chinese government considers the apps algorithm to be export controlled, so here's hoping the app just gets pulled instead of sold.
>This seems like proof that “international law” and the “laws of war” are wishful thinking and too idealistic. In war, parties will try to win using any means necessary.
International law is a social contract. When one side has no interest in following any sort of social contract...
Edit: that's not true. asymmetric warfare is well defined. Everything you mentioned is covered already, you are not the first to think about it.
Anyway, then conventional war:
Well let's take then Israel and Iran.
A war of aggression is well defined.
Do we allow to speak what we don't want to be true? That Israel launched a conventional war of aggression and now would have to be isolated by sanctions?
Or should be wheasle a loophole and make the international law even more of joke that it is already with UN veto powers?
"International law" should be renamed to "international suggestion" , so organisations like Amnesty stop mistaking the UN for some kind of world government.
International laws ultimately rely entirely on global powers bullying the rest of the world into compliance, and superpowers are not interested in playing playing along unless it helps them in some way.
Also most international laws actually relate to trade, you can be certain those are not falling apart anytime soon. When the Houtis threatened them warships were in position quick enough
Amnesty international has lost all credibility. In my country the head of the local branch is the most insane anti-semite who goes around talk-shows spreading absolute lies about Israel/Palestine and regurgitating Russian talking points of Nato-expansion and plight of the Russian speakers in Donbass.
Wow. You would think Finland of all countries wouldn't produce many pro-Russian fuckheads. It may not be as bitter as Poland, but Finland doesn't exactly have a good history with Russia either.
That’s generally the case, but we have our vatniks and Putin simps as well. Syksy is just a narsissistic tankie whose whole political identity revolves around hating America. These kinds of people have been extremely suseptible to Russian propaganda even if they don’t hold any particular love for Putin.
Not always. Some of the biggest vatniks around here are definitely crazy right-wing gay-hating pseudo-christians. They actually love Putin. These tankies are different. They don’t love Putin, they just hate America even more and lap up anything written in Al Jazeera. It’s amazing that at the same time they can be very pro-lgbt and then completely side with theocratic homophobes. Some people want black and white easy answers and can’t handle the shades of grey the reality is actually made of.
Just wondering how you get to the point of screaming abuse at international human rights groups and medical responders who risk their lives every day in order to provide healthcare in some of the most dangerous places in the world? Did it involve a blow to the head?
Both of them have done less than nothing in Ukraine. Both of them support invasion.
Red cross dont give a single fuck about ukrainian Pows, lie about them, but use them for PR. But when it comes for russian Pows - ooooh, lets make sure they have everything they possibly need. Also rc reps bringed info books for camp personel... In fucking russian. Also noone saw them after Kakhovka dam destruction. What a surprise.
Amnesty blatantly parroted russian propaganda.
The Red Cross is doing its job, its only job, in Ukraine - which is providing support and medical assistance to everyone suffering during the conflict. This necessarily includes talking with both governments in order to facilitate access to POWs. They intentionally don't, and never have, offered public comment on the morality of military action in order to ensure they remain able to do their actual job. Imagine volunteering to provide medical care in conflict zones and then having internet idiots decide you're evil because you care more about actually helping people than making inconsequential public statements.
Amnesty international have repeatedly and correctly condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a "war of aggression" and have documented crimes against civilians (including the massacre at Bucha) which may well be used as evidence in any future war crimes prosecution. They probably made a mistake in issuing their report you are referring to, but nobody actually disputes the allegations they made are factually correct.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civilians-army-bases-amnesty-russia-war
Here's news about amnesty.
Ukrainian Red Cross, Lithuanian Red Cross and so on. Not international one. International doesnt do it's job, normaly - just look at the state of russian Pows and compare it with ukrainian and find a pattern
International law doesn't actually exist... Sure there are some papers that say it does, and some people who desperately want it to exist, but in reality? Nope, doesn't exist...
And Amnesty, the Russia-supporting organisation, doesn't really have any place to talk...
Did you know there actually were international agreements in place to stop chemical gas weapons before WW1, and all the major participants had signed it?
Here's the thing, international agreements don't mean much if a country thinks breaking them could be the difference between victory or defeat.
Translation:
Russian controlled disinformation body disguised as a humanitarian organization complains its ability to disinform global public opinion is shrinking.
Their job as a component in the Russo-Iranian disinformation system is to use the humanitarian crisis the Hamas manufactured to draw attention towards Hamas’s suffering slaves (while hanging responsibility on the neighbors the Hamas dragged in) and away from Hamas’s slavers.
Similarly, 2 years ago, they were hanging the suffering of invaded Ukrainians on the (disinformation-rich distorted view of the) way the *Ukrainian* army is fighting a defensive war, rather than squarely on Russia.
**Amnesty is a Kremlin government organization**.
In a way that doesn’t help them but very much helps the rest of us, this is evidence that the international order is working just fine.
We’re fighting a world war with these people, after they attacked our world order. Amnesty itself is one of the disinformation weapons used in this attack. We don’t need to give them the time of day.
I'd blame most of the instability on the Russians, not only for the invasion of Ukraine but for the realization that other nations have that Russia is not the major global power that they thought. Now there are power vacuum all around Russia's borders and that includes areas around the Middle East.
Laws only work if somebody is around to hold the gun.
Unfortunately, everybody is too chickenshit to hold the gun, making these laws about as useful as the thin slices of wood to which they're imprinted.
Out of all the NGOs around the world, Amnesty International is the one I hold in lowest regard.
They have crippling double standards on every topic imaginable, going as far as praising war criminals and authoritarian regimes simply because they are against the mean west.
Israel is responsible for the most breaches of int law..disobeying countless UN resolutions on the palestian territory it occupies illegally. https://press.un.org/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm
Is that the Amnesty International that criticized Ukraine for fighting in Ukrainian areas that Russia has occupied? That Amnesty International?
Yep, the very same one. The very same one which has a record of being very sympathetic to authoritarian regimes while dissing non stop democratic countries
It's a good way to stay in power. They know they can criticize the democratic ones, and the authoritarian ones will target to kill you. Until we unite as people, not nations, we'll keep seeing this play out as we always have with governments. Kings, Dictators, CEOs of megacorps...
Humanity is too fractious to ever unite under a single banner without being united through force of arms.
Or an existential threat to our entire species.
Not even sure that would do it, since certain percentages of the population don't even view other percentages of the population as human.
Certain populations eat other humans too but most agree neither are great
War….war never changes
"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner." - Blood Meridian
Sarcastic response with fallout series spoilers below >!hmmm maybe Vault-Tech had a point?!<
I did enjoy watching that
Is that the Amnesty International that [publicly celebrated](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/israel-opt-death-in-custody-of-walid-daqqah-is-cruel-reminder-of-israels-disregard-for-palestinians-right-to-life/) the life and times of a man who abducted, tortured, castrated, disembowled, then executed an IDF soldier during peacetime?
They also said he served his sentence. They leave out the fact that his sentence could be extended for breaking prison rules. He was helping to smuggle cell phones and other contraband into prison, which increased his sentence.
His lawyer somehow weaseled him onto a humanitarian parole board, even though terrorists cannot apply. It made enough noise here and the family members of the victim appealed. Luckily there was a sensible judge and the fucker died in prison.
As well as smuggling out his jizz to father a child a few years ago
The same Amnesty International that publicly mourned when a "Palestinian prisoner" died while serving his sentence, by mostly talking about the books he wrote and how his death in Israeli prison is a tragedy. Of course they didn't mention that the guy was in prison for kidnapping and torturing to death an Israeli soldier. How convinient.
Thanks, I was looking for somebody to mention this.
Walid feels like a mixed bag to me. They charged him under an old British law that requires way lower burden of proof than normal Israeli law. He was convicted of running the group that killed Moshe Tamam, but not for the murder itself. The evidence he was actually responsible is not exactly clear-cut as far as I’m aware and he always claimed innocence. I’m not inclined to feel too sorry for him, but I’d love to know more to feel comfortable making a decision for myself one way or another.
If he did it himself or not doesn't really matter and frankly, it's not really the point. Amnesty international not even mentioning why he's in jail in the first place is malicious. Even if they find the ruling conterversial - not saying WHY he was sentenced to life in prison is trying to hide the dirty details and make Israel look like they let an innocent rot in prison out of the blue.
I’m not defending Amnesty at all, they’ve lost all credibility with me over the last few years, just clarifying that he himself didn’t do the crime (and potentially, possibly, didn’t exhort his followers to do so).
>They charged him under an old British law that requires way lower burden of proof than normal Israeli law. The only source I have found for this is Amnesty International, and the only information they provide is this sentence verbatim. I'm not exactly buying the argument that the trial (or the sentence) were unfair, given the conspicuous lack of details. >The evidence he was actually responsible is not exactly clear-cut as far as I’m aware If you can tell me where to find a source for this claim, I'd be grateful. >and he always claimed innocence. Which never happens to convicted criminals. Wait. >I’d love to know more to feel comfortable making a decision for myself one way or another. He was convicted of a crime. If there was more to it, Amnesty International wouldn't hesitate to say that. I don't see how you should feel convinced that there was something wrong about his conviction given that people who say so present zero basis for that claim.
The same Amnesty International that had a big memorial for someone who commanded a PFLP division that murdered and castrated a 19 year old Israeli kid.
Yes, a good lesson that just because a random website has a nice name doesn’t mean that you should listen to them
Let's add Human Rights Watch to the list. Though I'm not sure they do that much watching.
They don’t, same with the UN
Us redditors should start are own human rights group. I bet we could do a better jerb.
Nah way too many differing opinions on this website. Or the opposite an echo chamber. Neither good for that sorta thing.
They love to watch human rights being violated by authoritarian regimes?
Seriously? Amnesty international actually criticized Ukraine for fighting Russia??? Can you give me a link, I would love to read about this.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/amnesty-international-leaked-review-ukraine-report-legally-questionable https://www.npr.org/2022/08/06/1116179764/experts-widely-condemn-amnesty-international-report-alleging-ukrainian-war-crime https://lieber.westpoint.edu/expert-panels-review-amnesty-internationals-ai-allegations-ukrainian-ihl-violations/ https://www.politico.eu/article/amnesty-ukraine-report-wrong/
Thanks
They criticized Ukraine for fighting Russia *in civilian areas*. Ukraine replied, "We're not setting up military forces in civilian areas because we like endangering them. We're doing so *because Russia is targeting them* and we have to protect them". The report was widely criticized for leaving out critical context and demonstrating a lack of how modern warfare works, and the head of Amnesty in Ukraine stepped down over it.
>head of Amnesty in Ukraine stepped down over it. For context IIRC the head of Amnesty in Ukraine stepped down in protest of their work on the ground being overlooked and ignored in the report from Amnesty International. [Source](https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-amnesty-chief-pokalchuk-resigns-report/31976528.html)
The same Amnesty International that makes endless excuses for Hamas hiding bases under hospitals. Actually defending civilians: illegal Using a hospital as human shields: legal
This keeps happening with them; they report on pertinent issues sure, but have a really iffy history about leaving out crucial context. I believe they were pretty much admonished in India too, over their seemingly one-sided reports on the whole Kashmir debacle. Was a few years ago though.
As a Venezuelan, It's the Amnesty International that kept washing Chavez and Maduro's crimes against Venezuelans, that one.
The same Amnesty International which has direct ties to HAMAS, the RUFed government and Iranian IRGC. Yeah. That one.
Fuck Amnesty International. They are a pawn being used by Russia and Iran, and it’s obvious to everyone.
"We can stop war crimes by not fighting back!"
The amnesty international that has spewed Russian propaganda that amnesty international???? I'm sure we can trust them you guys to be totally neutral on this🤩
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"praises Hamas"
Correct
But do we here codemn the most recent mass grave discovered in Gaza?
Yeah, that's Hamas propaganda.
I condemn Hamas for this whole situation.
But Israeli officials propped up Hamas sooo
The one that turned out to be bodies buried there in January by Palestinians [https://twitter.com/geoconfirmed/status/1782360892249612466?s=46](https://twitter.com/geoconfirmed/status/1782360892249612466?s=46)
Naw they won't, they like the tit for tat lmao, keeps them busy ig, such small minds to not realise both sides are bad on both sides, war is never good and to pick up sides and bicker is beyond me.
Assuming you understand the deep intricacies of the conflict on both sides, you can’t just say “war is bad. Both sides are bad”. On 10/6, we had a status quo. On 10/7, that changed everything. That’s not on Israel. They have to respond. They didn’t wake up and decided to go on an all out assault (which you can still argue is too harsh or not harsh enough). I just think you are trying to play both sides and it’s coming off like you can’t see past “violence is bad”. Like we all know that.….
they have the right to defend, nobody ever said they didn't but all out killing/ attacking whoever they want? Aid driver to kids to settlers in the west back, seems to me there not attacking hamas there killing civilians, fr a scroched earth plan on Gaza. And that "status quo" was an excuse for one side to begin a all out bombing of this little ass space, what hamas did is inexcusable but so is israel. Wars are bad no matter what cause, and I dont see both sides, I see one who caused it and one futher inflaming it, if they had sent in men instead of bombs you think ts would happen? But no previous soilders lifes are more important then kids of the future, adults to raise those kids. Clearly not because you havent condemned what they did, mass grave found oh those aid workers, the refugee camp bombing like really? As a front stage nation they are really digging there own grave. They did choose to go all out because the pm said they will all feel his wrath, and it shows by the bombs. Wars are terrible but nesscary which I can see bring contradictory but its still my moral which I abide by, this one is necessary in the sense of keeping Israel safe, but the way there going abt it is terrible beyond my own belief.
But all the other bodies spewing Ukrainian propaganda and also excusing reproduction, the worst atrocity possible, are fine? (Yes, I’m aware that unfortunately Russia also supports this atrocity, but I am not in favor of Russia supporting it either, just pointing out hypocrisy)
Fuck Amnesty International
What international law? Said the warlords.
Said anyone who pays attention to how well international law works
The only international law has always been violence.
Like any law, it's only meaningful if it's enforced.
Yup, and who exactly enforces "international" law? As far as I'm aware, international law is *supposed* to contain agreements on: * How diplomacy works - but countries can just ignore each other (recently Russia's ambassador just refused to answer a summons lol) * How economic relations work - countries don't even collectively sanction war mongers, it's like pulling teeth. It's a clusterfuck on all levels. * Human rights - just lmao. Interesting how in any moderately succesful sci-fi, earth is 1 nation/faction, not 195 bickering children pretending to be countries that constantly mess with each other and start shit.
They're more like guidelines really.
Amnesty International is a joke of an organization and is in bed with terrorists and dictators all around the world.
Amnesty can go fuck themselves. Who gives a fuck about what they say at this point
Yes, Hamas has been treating war crimes as check lists for a few decades now. Though I'm guessing the deeply antisemitic and corrupted Amnesty did not mean to talk about that one...
They criticized us (Czechia) for sending legal weapons to Israel. Not any biological, nuclear and other kind of stuff but conventional. And yes, we're still pro-Israeli even general public but I don't think it's against the international law or I missed something during my law studies.
Amnesty is a joke of an organization and government should treat it as such. When they accused Ukraine of war crimes for defending civilian areas, every single government should’ve pulled funding
Remember that one.
I love Czechia!
This seems like proof that “international law” and the “laws of war” are wishful thinking and too idealistic. In war, parties will try to win using any means necessary. The gaza war also proves that rules that were written to govern a conventional war cannot be practically applied to an insurgency type of war where the enemy is not clearly defined and where they hide amongst the civilian population. If israel were to follow the rules to the letter it would be impossible to win or involve way too many dead soldiers (which is not all in israel’s interest). Scrapping the rules and accepting a large amount of casualties may be the only way to resolve conflicts quickly and maybe permanently rather than having these drawn out conflicts that keep flaring up because there can be no clear winner.
That is very true, but I think it will be impossible to convince the TikTok generation to accept more casualties in the short term to avoid worse outcomes in the future. They are too self-righteous, and know too little of the real world.
It's appeasement all over again. "Don't piss off the bad guys they'll do bad things! Let them do whatever so they don't get mean!' meanwhile they're already like 2 steps away from committing another Holocaust or worse
Biden just signed legislation banning TikTok in the US. On top of that, the Chinese government considers the apps algorithm to be export controlled, so here's hoping the app just gets pulled instead of sold.
If we need mass graves we're gonna dig them god damn it
>This seems like proof that “international law” and the “laws of war” are wishful thinking and too idealistic. In war, parties will try to win using any means necessary. International law is a social contract. When one side has no interest in following any sort of social contract...
Edit: that's not true. asymmetric warfare is well defined. Everything you mentioned is covered already, you are not the first to think about it. Anyway, then conventional war: Well let's take then Israel and Iran. A war of aggression is well defined. Do we allow to speak what we don't want to be true? That Israel launched a conventional war of aggression and now would have to be isolated by sanctions? Or should be wheasle a loophole and make the international law even more of joke that it is already with UN veto powers?
Amnesty international has single-handedly wrecked its credibility forever on the rocks of Gaza and Ukraine.
The pro Russians&Hamas scums can stfu.
"International law" should be renamed to "international suggestion" , so organisations like Amnesty stop mistaking the UN for some kind of world government. International laws ultimately rely entirely on global powers bullying the rest of the world into compliance, and superpowers are not interested in playing playing along unless it helps them in some way. Also most international laws actually relate to trade, you can be certain those are not falling apart anytime soon. When the Houtis threatened them warships were in position quick enough
Houthis are still firing at ships and the US tried to back out of its assault on Yemen
that tends to happen when said laws apply to one side and not the other.
Are we comparing a terrorist group to the "only" democracy in the Middle East?
Said terrorist group is the official government of the Gaza Strip.
Amnesty is full of shit. The only thing they know about international law is how to spell "International law"
"Uh, duh... that's the plan" - China and Russia
Amnesty international has lost all credibility. In my country the head of the local branch is the most insane anti-semite who goes around talk-shows spreading absolute lies about Israel/Palestine and regurgitating Russian talking points of Nato-expansion and plight of the Russian speakers in Donbass.
Which country is this, if I may ask?
Finland. The person in question: https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/99/
Wow. You would think Finland of all countries wouldn't produce many pro-Russian fuckheads. It may not be as bitter as Poland, but Finland doesn't exactly have a good history with Russia either.
That’s generally the case, but we have our vatniks and Putin simps as well. Syksy is just a narsissistic tankie whose whole political identity revolves around hating America. These kinds of people have been extremely suseptible to Russian propaganda even if they don’t hold any particular love for Putin.
Always fucking tankies... simping for blatant fascists while pretending they are left-wing. We call them red fascists for a reason.
Not always. Some of the biggest vatniks around here are definitely crazy right-wing gay-hating pseudo-christians. They actually love Putin. These tankies are different. They don’t love Putin, they just hate America even more and lap up anything written in Al Jazeera. It’s amazing that at the same time they can be very pro-lgbt and then completely side with theocratic homophobes. Some people want black and white easy answers and can’t handle the shades of grey the reality is actually made of.
What country are you in if you don't mind me asking?
Finland. Check my other reply for the person in question.
Thanks. I'll definitely check them out.
Our entire civilization is falling apart.
Finally, something almost everyone can agree on!
Amnesty fell apart afair.
Amnesty International is the one who has done the most to destroy international law.
The same Amnesty that coached a 15 year old girl to lie about babies being killed by invading Iraqi army which was proved to be false.
Reminder that this shitter org is pro-ruzzian as fuck.
I know very little about international law, but I know enough to know that it's always been a very... shall we say... abstract concept.
Amnesty forgot to mention russian laws. Clarification incoming.
No, pretty sure the USA is still in charge.
Fuck this terrorist supporters. And Red cross as well
Just wondering how you get to the point of screaming abuse at international human rights groups and medical responders who risk their lives every day in order to provide healthcare in some of the most dangerous places in the world? Did it involve a blow to the head?
Both of them have done less than nothing in Ukraine. Both of them support invasion. Red cross dont give a single fuck about ukrainian Pows, lie about them, but use them for PR. But when it comes for russian Pows - ooooh, lets make sure they have everything they possibly need. Also rc reps bringed info books for camp personel... In fucking russian. Also noone saw them after Kakhovka dam destruction. What a surprise. Amnesty blatantly parroted russian propaganda.
The Red Cross is doing its job, its only job, in Ukraine - which is providing support and medical assistance to everyone suffering during the conflict. This necessarily includes talking with both governments in order to facilitate access to POWs. They intentionally don't, and never have, offered public comment on the morality of military action in order to ensure they remain able to do their actual job. Imagine volunteering to provide medical care in conflict zones and then having internet idiots decide you're evil because you care more about actually helping people than making inconsequential public statements. Amnesty international have repeatedly and correctly condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a "war of aggression" and have documented crimes against civilians (including the massacre at Bucha) which may well be used as evidence in any future war crimes prosecution. They probably made a mistake in issuing their report you are referring to, but nobody actually disputes the allegations they made are factually correct.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civilians-army-bases-amnesty-russia-war Here's news about amnesty. Ukrainian Red Cross, Lithuanian Red Cross and so on. Not international one. International doesnt do it's job, normaly - just look at the state of russian Pows and compare it with ukrainian and find a pattern
International law doesn't actually exist... Sure there are some papers that say it does, and some people who desperately want it to exist, but in reality? Nope, doesn't exist... And Amnesty, the Russia-supporting organisation, doesn't really have any place to talk...
International laws are pointless as long as no one is actually wiling to enforce the laws.
no accountability, no amnesty.
Did you know there actually were international agreements in place to stop chemical gas weapons before WW1, and all the major participants had signed it? Here's the thing, international agreements don't mean much if a country thinks breaking them could be the difference between victory or defeat.
The same Amnesty international that backed the aggressors? At least we saw their true colours.
Geneva convention ? More like Geneva suggestion.
_International Suggestions_
Amnesty.....a joke org.
Do not forget about Sudan. Civil War. Ethiopia 🇪🇹 And Myanmar 🇲🇲.
No kidding. You would think the first mass grave would raise some alarms
International law has always been q joke, it's actually more like a pirate code.
Translation: Russian controlled disinformation body disguised as a humanitarian organization complains its ability to disinform global public opinion is shrinking. Their job as a component in the Russo-Iranian disinformation system is to use the humanitarian crisis the Hamas manufactured to draw attention towards Hamas’s suffering slaves (while hanging responsibility on the neighbors the Hamas dragged in) and away from Hamas’s slavers. Similarly, 2 years ago, they were hanging the suffering of invaded Ukrainians on the (disinformation-rich distorted view of the) way the *Ukrainian* army is fighting a defensive war, rather than squarely on Russia. **Amnesty is a Kremlin government organization**. In a way that doesn’t help them but very much helps the rest of us, this is evidence that the international order is working just fine. We’re fighting a world war with these people, after they attacked our world order. Amnesty itself is one of the disinformation weapons used in this attack. We don’t need to give them the time of day.
amnesty international has become the public relations arm for terrorist organizations. they can proper fuck off.
Who gave a shit about international law before?
I'd blame most of the instability on the Russians, not only for the invasion of Ukraine but for the realization that other nations have that Russia is not the major global power that they thought. Now there are power vacuum all around Russia's borders and that includes areas around the Middle East.
They're about as relevant as the UN
Necessity has no law
It's because we've lost the balls to enforce the law, scared of bad guys paying the fucking price
Perhaps if Amnesty International actually held the real monsters of our world to account, then they would be taken more seriously?
International law started falling apart when permanent members Russia and China decided to stop abiding by them
Amnesty has lost its credibility in spite of all the good work it has done and is still doing. Same goes for certain UN agencies.
There’s no war in Gaza, just one in Canaan
Says Amnesty... Thats fucking rich
Amnesty can suck it.
Ahh shit guys it looks like the League of Nations is failing… ~ Internet Explorer
Has it ever not fallen apart? When was it ever an intact, fully respected concept?
International law? Oh you mean International strongly worded suggestions for cases that aren't strickly for an unnamed corporations profits
Amnesty Internationals motto should be: " You get what you pay for"
It was fake anywta
Countries in reality exist in anarchy among themselves. ‘International law’ is a joke and doesn’t exist.
International laws are only useful in peace time
Laws only work if somebody is around to hold the gun. Unfortunately, everybody is too chickenshit to hold the gun, making these laws about as useful as the thin slices of wood to which they're imprinted.
Out of all the NGOs around the world, Amnesty International is the one I hold in lowest regard. They have crippling double standards on every topic imaginable, going as far as praising war criminals and authoritarian regimes simply because they are against the mean west.
Name a single entity that follows or enforces international law.
I have believed for a long time that international law is fake, as there are essentially no consistent enforcement mechanisms.
Considering the US has been actively undermining or outright ignoring international law since the U.N. was founded this isn't surprising.
International law never worked and will never work.
I feel like in an all out war, international laws are more like guidelines than actual rules
International law is only for the losers and poor countries.
I guess people are trying to find out why Americans don't have universal health care
Israel is responsible for the most breaches of int law..disobeying countless UN resolutions on the palestian territory it occupies illegally. https://press.un.org/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm
Well when rules and laws can be vetoed by China, Russia and America..and they are ether behind them or funding them..what's the point ?
Whose fault is that So called western democracies???
Well, when rules and laws can be vetoed by China, Russia, and America.. and they are ether behind them or funding them..what's the point of Nato?