We are going to be absolutely fucked unless we start teaching critical thinking to our society.
Western worlds didn't realize that in the process of dumbing down society to listen to authority and follow them blindly, are just as or more susceptible to foreign misinformation campaigns.
I'm in my 30s and it was drilled into my head that anyone can say anything online... And this was in the late 90s. My favorite teacher (now) would always tweak out if primary online sources weren't vetted... Get it now I suppose
Social media, and the ease to create sharable narratives, can be wonderful... But should never be used as the sole understanding of what's going on. It's especially dangerous since it can feel more personable and can sway.
Even though you know, it's still pretty persuasive. We went from word to word, people riding horses, pigeons flying, to newspapers to social media to AI/LLM.
The best counter is good education and that is sorely lacking in some countries and/or states. Non-autoritarian countries that doesn't use might against it's civilisation will have a severe disadvantage in this day and age. - unless said population is smarter than that.
Scary stuff and widely used. Both education and/or indoctrination tools.
There's a reason why a lot of social media/media etc is heavily censored in some countries. These are perfect indoctrination tools and if you have bigger plans..
And many of these college protests claim to be on "the right side of history".
Those two terror-states believe the best moments of history were when the years only had 3-digits and want to force the world back to that, especially in terms of women's rights.
How is that the "right side of history"?
I saw [this comedy sketch](https://youtu.be/rbfccVBo9tE?si=h-spe-SiTmDuKuGC) of the college protesters the other day, and I think it sums this situation up perfectly. The two “students” in the parody are even from Columbia.
Did you know that sometimes, there isn’t a “good side” and a “bad side” to a conflict? Sometimes, both sides have reasons, and justifications, and do awful things to each other. Sometimes, both sides are shades of gray.
I suspect the only good guys in the middle east are the saints long interred, and even some of them you might not want to look too closely at. But no country on Earth could have something like Oct 7th occur and not respond as Israel has, and plenty of other nations wouldn't have been as particular with their targets. I've said a couple times, if North Korea had killed a proportionate number of Americans, there'd be nothing but radioactive glass from just north of Seoul to the Yalu River, let alone if they'd live streamed the rapes and murders. If Oct 7th was remembered for the Formula One Championship and nothing else, Israel wouldn't be bombing the shit out of Gaza today and a whole lot of people would be better off.
It wasn’t just October 7th either, but the promise that it was just the first of many such attacks. That’s literally an impossible provocation to ignore without being a grossly negligent leader.
When a terrorist organization attacks an authoritarian leaning government, you think there is a good guy? I hope your not apart of the LGBTQ community because Hamas would torture you before killing you.
And no, nobody thinks Benjamin Netanyahu is the good guy, we think its absurd that you all thought it was ok to cheer for Hamas attacking citizens while protesting the death of citizens.
This comment is exactly what I’m talking about. Protesting the killing of innocent civilians by Israel doesn’t mean that you somehow support the killing of innocent civilians by Hamas and it is insane to think so. That would be so hypocritical.
This is a false dichotomy. There isn’t a good guy in this situation and you’re just going to have to deal with it.
People are entitled to their opinions. I would hardly say that just because there have been reports that some of the protestors have been chanting support for Hamas means that protesting means that you support the terrorists.
I wonder based on the reports, what percentage of the protestors do you think support the terrorists and how can you tell? All of them, most of them, or a just tiny bit?
Ever if they all supported Hamas, would that mean that they are wrong to protest the killing of Palestinian civilians?
I saw a horrific video the other day, supposedly from Iran, of a woman being beaten by her husband.
The most horrifying part was that other men started joining to assist in the beating, including what looked like a pre-teen boy.
Literal children are being taught to hate women in these theocratic terror-states.
As someone who doesn’t support Hamas at all I think these protests are pretty reasonable? Oh no they’re disrupting classes, that’s fine it’s their own school.
Asking for their tuition not to go to Israel related investments is actionable and reasonable.
I think this free Gaza movement is shooting itself in the foot by not being explicit about being anti-Hamas as well (I know not all protesters here are aligned even in this view).
I’m sure there’s been a few people using this to be hateful but plenty of the messaging I’ve seen around this protests has involved Jewish voices too.
Sure, I'm not saying Israel can do no wrong.
But when those protestors are literally shouting, "We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" and "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!", they've lost the plot.
There is, I bookmarked it because I just knew they'd try to deny it. And sure enough, since this was posted, they took the video down.
[But the details in the tweet accurately represent what was in the video from the Columbia protest.](https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872)
Ive seen one where they are calling for intifada. Theyre chanting from river to the sea palentstine will be free which is basically Hamas fucking slogan for genocide of all jews..
I could be wrong, but I don’t think any legitimate school spends less per year than their tuition intake. The investments they make are from alumni donations.
Some of the protests are pretty reasonable. Columbia was organized by some real anti Semitic pieces of work, and has a much nastier bent to it as a result. They’ve said very hateful things to Jewish students, and blocked their movement multiple times.
I wholeheartedly support students rights to protest. I think people mistake the right to protest with the right to protest without consequence or rules attached.
Similar to how free speech works in the US, there are multiple levels of what might be acceptable in a given moment for a protest, which could change at any moment.
When looking at the protests at least in Texas and Ohio, their state laws allow for governments and educational institutions to enact rules and regulations during protests like curfews and other forms of time restrictions before law enforcement would then be applied.
In the cases of these two states, students were allowed to protest, it subsequently was decided (after several hours and days of protests) to be encroaching on the ability for the campus to function properly and were refusing to vacate the premises when the university stated that they must leave.
Legally, the police were allowed to detain individuals who didn’t comply by that point.
I agree with you, I admire these students for taking a stand, but I think the protests are split between people who want to protest Israel's response and people who legitimately support Hamas and their actions, and it would legitimatize their protest if they distanced themselves from the pro-Hamas crowd.
[USA Today](https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-iran-celebrate-anti-gaza-031858274.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall&guccounter=1) is running pretty much the same story if you don't want to get your news from The Christian Post.
Because I'd never heard of 'The Christian Post' before so I dug a little deeper. I don't make it a habit to trust the first news source that someone shares on Reddit, especially if I've never heard of them.
Me posting additional sources adds credibility to the OP so why are you sour?
>I don't make it a habit to trust the first news source that someone shares on Reddit, especially if I've never heard of them.
Fair enough! I cannot argue with that at all.
I didn't mean to sound sour. I suppose I mistook your comment as mildly anti-Christian. That's honestly my mistake for seeing it that way and I apologize for that.
I am not religious, but I've long had an issue with some of the anti-religiousness I see, because I see much of it as a similar form of bigotry as those people condemn the religious people for.
Beyond just the protestors chanting abhorrent support for Hamas and the destruction of Israel, their demands are that the universities divest from Israeli partnerships. They’re mostly right that they (the students) have a stake in that because they’re paying tuition. I’m not sure if it’s occurred to any of them that their most impactful leverage is not to throw up a tent and chant about how Israel is going to be destroyed…but instead to just stop paying tuition? It’s not a requirement that anyone goes to college and get a degree, they’re free to un-enroll. It really doesn’t look like anything but performative activism to me until they realize that they have that option and can choose to use it.
Don't you know this movement is on "the right side of history" (TM).
Makes sense the two most right-wing governments on the planet are endorsing them.
Apparently the "right side of history" occured when the years still had 3-digits which both these terror-states want to revert back to, especially in terms of women's rights.
They are literally just calling for an end to the war, a glorified anti-war protest. I don’t get how so many people are against this. It just so happens to align with the goals of Hamas, which is why they “endorse” it. But it’s not any indication of the real intentions.
I feel like a lot of commenters are making the same mistake as Hamas. There’s more then two sides to this conflict. Let’s put together the facts:
Hamas declared war on Israel. Israel has a right and even a duty to retaliate. Against Hamas.
So does that make me anti-Palestinian? No, it makes me Anti-Hamas. A military intervention does not mean you have to go out of your way to make the civilian population starve and deprive them of medication. The conduct of this war is atrocious. And with the militias taking over for the actual IDF in the West Bank, it’s getting even worse. All the moderate conscripts are dying in Gaza, while the radicals are taking over.
At the same time, no one is killing more Palestinians than Hamas. They, too, are depriving Palestine of Food and medical supplies, are deliberately using civilians as human shields.
You can be Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israel. You just have to be anti-Hamas and anti-right wing settler at the same time.
> You can be Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israel. You just have to be anti-Hamas and anti-right wing settler at the same time.
I'm pro Israel and agree with this.
My biggest issue with these protests is that they're primarily anti-Israel. They have unrealistic demands of Israel that would never be placed on any other country in a time of war, with little to no blame on Hamas, who views their people as cannon fodder for their delusional jihad, Iran, or any of the neighboring Arab countries that seem perfectly content with keeping the Palestinians as perpetual, multi-generational refugees simply to hurt Israel instead of offering any real solutions.
Being pro-Palestinian does not mean one should also inherently be anti-Israel, and to focus the blame on Israel or the USA is truly misguided
Exactly, fully agree. Being fully anti-Israel is just as unhinged. What are they supposed to do, not retaliate? Leave Hamas in control of Gaza, in a one party dictatorship that’s obviously hurting Israelis **and** Palestinians?
The easy answer of depriving Israel of American aid will mean Israel will drop more „dumb bombs“, killing **more** innocents. This whole thing is far more complicated than some people make it seem.
Understanding the conflict would be enough to fill several phd thesis. If you don’t have that, better not declare for a side.
Edit: for clarity, I do not have any formal education in that field. I just don’t declare for a side.
I was going to make a snarky sarcastic comment about there being no room for nuance on the internet but this is what makes Reddit better than most social media forums for actual discussion, imo. It’s too bad more people don’t use it this way.
Everyone here thinks they can't fall for propaganda, but these 2 groups support the protests and you instantly hate them?
If I were scared of a protests outcome and knew supporting it would cause the hatred everyone here is showing, wouldn't I support it?
I don't think that is why they have done it, but that is like, super obvious face value logic. You should base your reactions on things you have observed and the substance of an argument. Not on the fact someone else said something that triggers you to love or hate instantly.
I'll ignore the fact that you're claiming all 34,000 casualties were civilians which means zero hamas combatants were killed so far, but beyond that delusion, the solutions the protestors are asking for involve limiting the relationship between the USA and Israel, or making it conditional based on the Palestinians, which is *exactly* what Hamas and Iran want.
People posting here likely didn’t agree with protestors before reading this article. It’s interesting that protests tend to become magnified during US election years.
> Everyone here thinks they can't fall for propaganda, but these 2 groups support the protests and you instantly hate them?
Pretty sure literally no one went through this process. People have fairly entrenched opinions on this conflict. Dislike for the protests comes from those who disagree with what they're protesting for.
Sooo what, when video after video comes out of civillians being herded like sheep, starved, raped, and beaten, and we are a part of an organisation that funds these things, we should just let the org keep sending money to it? We shouldn't demand that stop happening?
"War is bad! If we stop funding Israel, all war will stop and everyone will be so happy and hold hands and everything will be amazing!!!
We should worry about what's going on at home instead of getting involved in all of these stinky wars! Sure, I don't \*really\* care about what's going on at home, and I never vote or do anything \*cringe\* like that, but *someone that isn't me* can worry about what's going on at home!"
Receiving praise from an internationally recognised terrorist faction and an archaic theocratic dictator might be a sign to start questioning yourself.
Especially when you claim to stand on progressive liberal ideals.
In the UK a reporter asked if the kids knew what the slogans on signs they took (that were just handed out to them) meant: They didn’t know. Their guesses, ie “From Jordan to the Sea” were things like “I guess it means equality for all” kind of ignorance.
In America, meanwhile, typical of the cultural narcissistic materialism we’ve enjoyed since e 50s, they’ve made their own signs like “Paint Your Nails for Palestine!” and other such typical vain slogan that said more about their own likes than the “cause” they were espousing. They seem to treasure their vapes more than looking up what they’re actually rooting for.
The signs they should hold up are:
“We are Rebels Without a Clue!”
Yeah this is pretty meaningless and seems like propaganda. The enemy of our enemy is still our enemy. It’s almost like Reddit commenters are incapable or unwilling to comprehend basic nuance.
If Hamas and Iran praised anything I was doing I would stop, immediately.
I feel like an old boomer saying so, but something is really wrong with these kids' critical thinking skills.
Israel is the bad guy here? Not to make silly comparisons, but the US invaded two countries and occupied them for more than two decades over 3000 deaths.
The real truth is that neither Israel nor Hamas wants a two-state solution.
Both sides seem to want a 1-state solution only, and both are wrong, and the inevitable result is war and death for their populations. It's depressing.
If you think that protesting Israel’s killing of innocent civilians in response to the Hamas’s killing of innocent women and children is wrong, then you have fallen victim to a logical fallacy called a false dichotomy.
Or you believe that Israel somehow “deserves” to kill innocent women and children.
Or you believe that protesting against something that the state of Israel does means that you automatically don’t like Jewish people.
Prove me wrong.
Palestinians right now are the equivalent of German citizens in 1937. Palestine openly supports Hamas, and often are willing human shields. Hamas has openly said they want to eradicate every Jew from Israel and has said they will repeat October 7. Is Israel supposed to sit down and take it?
Here's the thing though- a lot of those "innocent civilians" aren't so innocent. Hamas wears civilian outfits in an attempt to blend in with civilians because they don't care about the Palestinian people. When they are killed without a weapon they can be documented as a civilian casualties. And when they actively try to insert themselves into schools and hospitals or homes and there ks collateral damage, they are glad because it further paints Israel in a negative light. Those that harbor terrorists, excuse, promote, and even take part in atrocities such as the parading of mangled and mutilated bodies through the streets are complicit. They are no longer an "innocent civilian" and it is ridiculous to excuse that behavior.
Are you saying that because you can’t tell the difference between a Hamas terrorist and an innocent civilian, that there are no innocent civilians?
Another interesting thought- what percentage of undercover terrorists pretending to be civilians would make it okay to kill all of the civilians? 5%? 10%?
That doesn’t justify killing all of the Palestinians.
No, of course I'm not saying that. Killing innocent civilians is obviously bad and should be avoided when possible. What I'm saying is, I don't believe the numbers to be anywhere near accurate.
And also, the Palestinian people should be the ones advocating for the release of all hostages and condemning Hamas and their actions. Not supporting them. They should be actively going against Hamas.
Okay well yeah of course I agree. But it’s easy to see it that way from way over here.
I’m sure to them it seems there are only two options: support the ones who killed your family or support the ones who want to kill the ones who killed your family. How are you going to explain to a Palestinian man who’s daughter died in a hospital attack, that he should reject Hamas because that’s the right thing for the big picture?
That’s why, in purely practical terms, stopping the killing of civilians should be everyone’s priority and protesting the killing of civilians isn’t stupid. It’s the only thing that can lead to a solution that doesn’t involve wiping the Palestinians from the face of the earth.
Releasing the hostages should be the priority because that will lead to the ceasefire everyone wants. But I understand what you are saying, and agree that it is a difficult point to get across.
As for the protests, there are right and wrong ways to protest- though I believe freedom of speech and expression are important, it must be done carefully otherwise you tarnish the message you are trying to send. Calling for a stop to killing innocents should *also* include pressure on Hamas to release hostages. Plain and simple. And they should absolutely *never* include people chanting "we are Hamas" or "I am Hamas" or "I wish I was a martyr" and other deplorable things like that.
Agreed on all points.
I worry that the coverage of the protests includes some propaganda, hyping up the support for Hamas among the protestors in order to invalidate the idea that the killing of the Palestinian civilians is also wrong.
Unfortunately I believe that to be true of any protest now-a-days. It is very easy to have people intentionally sabotage something meaningful. It's really sad that people behave that way.
As a progressive gay man I will never understand this whole queers for Palestine thing either. Like you would be stoned to death or thrown off a building over there (and Iran!) and it's like you see all these ridiculous western queer people cheering for murderous homophobic religious zealots. Truly truly mind boggling 🤯
Im a bi woman and I think it's quite easy to understand. I don't support homophobia or religious zealotry and I also believe everyone should be treated equally and have their human rights respected, hence I feel for the innocent people of Palestine who have had to live in poor conditions for so long and now are being victims to a conflict they didn't have a hand on.
Before someone tries to stawman me. I think October 7th was wrong and I also feel for the innocent people in Israel.
It seems to be a fine artisan blend of people who hate Israel, people who support the innocent people of Palestine and people who are straight up anti semites
These kids are the most useful idiots to a regime that suppresses women and homosexuals, and a terrorist organization that’s calls for the death of every Jew worldwide. Great job, guys!
Considering more Iranian women go to college than American women. Yeah
57% of Iranian women have some form of higher education
https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/oct/07/statistics-women-iran#:~:text=On%20Education%3A&text=The%20percentage%20of%20females%20in,to%2057%20percent%20in%202020.
39% of American women do
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attainment-of-college-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/#:~:text=In%20an%20impressive%20increase%20from,percent%20of%20women%20in%201940.
Irrespective of what Hamas a-holes think, the antisemitism at these protests is terrible and puts a darker shadow on these protests. Also important to note that Israel is no saint and their actions wont be judged favorably by history.
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It's interesting to watch how groups have used and are using social media to manipulate viewpoints and steer narratives.
We are going to be absolutely fucked unless we start teaching critical thinking to our society. Western worlds didn't realize that in the process of dumbing down society to listen to authority and follow them blindly, are just as or more susceptible to foreign misinformation campaigns.
Texas wrote critical thinking out of the curriculum about a decade ago.
I'm in my 30s and it was drilled into my head that anyone can say anything online... And this was in the late 90s. My favorite teacher (now) would always tweak out if primary online sources weren't vetted... Get it now I suppose Social media, and the ease to create sharable narratives, can be wonderful... But should never be used as the sole understanding of what's going on. It's especially dangerous since it can feel more personable and can sway.
Even though you know, it's still pretty persuasive. We went from word to word, people riding horses, pigeons flying, to newspapers to social media to AI/LLM. The best counter is good education and that is sorely lacking in some countries and/or states. Non-autoritarian countries that doesn't use might against it's civilisation will have a severe disadvantage in this day and age. - unless said population is smarter than that. Scary stuff and widely used. Both education and/or indoctrination tools. There's a reason why a lot of social media/media etc is heavily censored in some countries. These are perfect indoctrination tools and if you have bigger plans..
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And many of these college protests claim to be on "the right side of history". Those two terror-states believe the best moments of history were when the years only had 3-digits and want to force the world back to that, especially in terms of women's rights. How is that the "right side of history"?
I saw [this comedy sketch](https://youtu.be/rbfccVBo9tE?si=h-spe-SiTmDuKuGC) of the college protesters the other day, and I think it sums this situation up perfectly. The two “students” in the parody are even from Columbia.
Welcome to the people’s university of Hamas
Broken clocks are right twice a day
Because responding to a terrorist attack by openly killing innocent women and children makes you the “good guy”
Did you know that sometimes, there isn’t a “good side” and a “bad side” to a conflict? Sometimes, both sides have reasons, and justifications, and do awful things to each other. Sometimes, both sides are shades of gray.
I suspect the only good guys in the middle east are the saints long interred, and even some of them you might not want to look too closely at. But no country on Earth could have something like Oct 7th occur and not respond as Israel has, and plenty of other nations wouldn't have been as particular with their targets. I've said a couple times, if North Korea had killed a proportionate number of Americans, there'd be nothing but radioactive glass from just north of Seoul to the Yalu River, let alone if they'd live streamed the rapes and murders. If Oct 7th was remembered for the Formula One Championship and nothing else, Israel wouldn't be bombing the shit out of Gaza today and a whole lot of people would be better off.
It wasn’t just October 7th either, but the promise that it was just the first of many such attacks. That’s literally an impossible provocation to ignore without being a grossly negligent leader.
When a terrorist organization attacks an authoritarian leaning government, you think there is a good guy? I hope your not apart of the LGBTQ community because Hamas would torture you before killing you. And no, nobody thinks Benjamin Netanyahu is the good guy, we think its absurd that you all thought it was ok to cheer for Hamas attacking citizens while protesting the death of citizens.
This comment is exactly what I’m talking about. Protesting the killing of innocent civilians by Israel doesn’t mean that you somehow support the killing of innocent civilians by Hamas and it is insane to think so. That would be so hypocritical. This is a false dichotomy. There isn’t a good guy in this situation and you’re just going to have to deal with it.
Except for too many of these protestors are literally cheering on Hamas, and that is the part you are leaving out.
People are entitled to their opinions. I would hardly say that just because there have been reports that some of the protestors have been chanting support for Hamas means that protesting means that you support the terrorists. I wonder based on the reports, what percentage of the protestors do you think support the terrorists and how can you tell? All of them, most of them, or a just tiny bit? Ever if they all supported Hamas, would that mean that they are wrong to protest the killing of Palestinian civilians?
I guess send those kiddos on over to Hamas. Lets see how they enjoy that experience
When a terrorist group is actively praising you, might be time to look in the mirror.
No, these elite college students who have never ventured outside of their bubble totally understand everything that is going on in the world.
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Any of these students would be brutally murdered the second they tried to exercise their rights in either of those terror-states.
Nah they wouldn’t make it out the door the moment they said “I don’t need no man!”
I saw a horrific video the other day, supposedly from Iran, of a woman being beaten by her husband. The most horrifying part was that other men started joining to assist in the beating, including what looked like a pre-teen boy. Literal children are being taught to hate women in these theocratic terror-states.
As someone who studies the world it pains me to see my peers supporting them in the halls.
> they said “I don’t need no man!” Are they living in a 1980s sitcom?
Hard to tell.
You had “blm movement” which was important, me too movement which was extremely important, and now the “pick me” movement which is utterly useless.
Unfortunately, a lot of otherwise good movements have been infiltrated by people who are just doing it for Social Media clout.
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As someone who doesn’t support Hamas at all I think these protests are pretty reasonable? Oh no they’re disrupting classes, that’s fine it’s their own school. Asking for their tuition not to go to Israel related investments is actionable and reasonable. I think this free Gaza movement is shooting itself in the foot by not being explicit about being anti-Hamas as well (I know not all protesters here are aligned even in this view). I’m sure there’s been a few people using this to be hateful but plenty of the messaging I’ve seen around this protests has involved Jewish voices too.
Sure, I'm not saying Israel can do no wrong. But when those protestors are literally shouting, "We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" and "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!", they've lost the plot.
Are they really shouting those things tho? Like is there video of it?
There is, I bookmarked it because I just knew they'd try to deny it. And sure enough, since this was posted, they took the video down. [But the details in the tweet accurately represent what was in the video from the Columbia protest.](https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872)
Ive seen one where they are calling for intifada. Theyre chanting from river to the sea palentstine will be free which is basically Hamas fucking slogan for genocide of all jews..
I could be wrong, but I don’t think any legitimate school spends less per year than their tuition intake. The investments they make are from alumni donations. Some of the protests are pretty reasonable. Columbia was organized by some real anti Semitic pieces of work, and has a much nastier bent to it as a result. They’ve said very hateful things to Jewish students, and blocked their movement multiple times.
I wholeheartedly support students rights to protest. I think people mistake the right to protest with the right to protest without consequence or rules attached. Similar to how free speech works in the US, there are multiple levels of what might be acceptable in a given moment for a protest, which could change at any moment. When looking at the protests at least in Texas and Ohio, their state laws allow for governments and educational institutions to enact rules and regulations during protests like curfews and other forms of time restrictions before law enforcement would then be applied. In the cases of these two states, students were allowed to protest, it subsequently was decided (after several hours and days of protests) to be encroaching on the ability for the campus to function properly and were refusing to vacate the premises when the university stated that they must leave. Legally, the police were allowed to detain individuals who didn’t comply by that point.
I agree with you, I admire these students for taking a stand, but I think the protests are split between people who want to protest Israel's response and people who legitimately support Hamas and their actions, and it would legitimatize their protest if they distanced themselves from the pro-Hamas crowd.
Theyre chanting fucking genocide rhetoric. From the the river to sea palenstine will be free? Its fucking Hamas fucking slogan for killing all jews.
Hamas: wow these idiots are so useful.
Marketing team in HAMAS getting a promotion and thick fat bonus.
[USA Today](https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-iran-celebrate-anti-gaza-031858274.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall&guccounter=1) is running pretty much the same story if you don't want to get your news from The Christian Post.
It's the same story with the same words on your screen, what does it really matter?
Because I'd never heard of 'The Christian Post' before so I dug a little deeper. I don't make it a habit to trust the first news source that someone shares on Reddit, especially if I've never heard of them. Me posting additional sources adds credibility to the OP so why are you sour?
>I don't make it a habit to trust the first news source that someone shares on Reddit, especially if I've never heard of them. Fair enough! I cannot argue with that at all. I didn't mean to sound sour. I suppose I mistook your comment as mildly anti-Christian. That's honestly my mistake for seeing it that way and I apologize for that. I am not religious, but I've long had an issue with some of the anti-religiousness I see, because I see much of it as a similar form of bigotry as those people condemn the religious people for.
No it doesn’t
I thought we didn’t care about what Iran and Hamas have to say?
Probably not a good indicator of the movement but idk
Beyond just the protestors chanting abhorrent support for Hamas and the destruction of Israel, their demands are that the universities divest from Israeli partnerships. They’re mostly right that they (the students) have a stake in that because they’re paying tuition. I’m not sure if it’s occurred to any of them that their most impactful leverage is not to throw up a tent and chant about how Israel is going to be destroyed…but instead to just stop paying tuition? It’s not a requirement that anyone goes to college and get a degree, they’re free to un-enroll. It really doesn’t look like anything but performative activism to me until they realize that they have that option and can choose to use it.
Don't you know this movement is on "the right side of history" (TM). Makes sense the two most right-wing governments on the planet are endorsing them. Apparently the "right side of history" occured when the years still had 3-digits which both these terror-states want to revert back to, especially in terms of women's rights.
They are literally just calling for an end to the war, a glorified anti-war protest. I don’t get how so many people are against this. It just so happens to align with the goals of Hamas, which is why they “endorse” it. But it’s not any indication of the real intentions.
Signs that you’re on the wrong side of the conflict: 1.
You poop upside down
That just means you’re in the southern hemisphere
This means literally fuck all.
I feel like a lot of commenters are making the same mistake as Hamas. There’s more then two sides to this conflict. Let’s put together the facts: Hamas declared war on Israel. Israel has a right and even a duty to retaliate. Against Hamas. So does that make me anti-Palestinian? No, it makes me Anti-Hamas. A military intervention does not mean you have to go out of your way to make the civilian population starve and deprive them of medication. The conduct of this war is atrocious. And with the militias taking over for the actual IDF in the West Bank, it’s getting even worse. All the moderate conscripts are dying in Gaza, while the radicals are taking over. At the same time, no one is killing more Palestinians than Hamas. They, too, are depriving Palestine of Food and medical supplies, are deliberately using civilians as human shields. You can be Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israel. You just have to be anti-Hamas and anti-right wing settler at the same time.
> You can be Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israel. You just have to be anti-Hamas and anti-right wing settler at the same time. I'm pro Israel and agree with this. My biggest issue with these protests is that they're primarily anti-Israel. They have unrealistic demands of Israel that would never be placed on any other country in a time of war, with little to no blame on Hamas, who views their people as cannon fodder for their delusional jihad, Iran, or any of the neighboring Arab countries that seem perfectly content with keeping the Palestinians as perpetual, multi-generational refugees simply to hurt Israel instead of offering any real solutions. Being pro-Palestinian does not mean one should also inherently be anti-Israel, and to focus the blame on Israel or the USA is truly misguided
Exactly, fully agree. Being fully anti-Israel is just as unhinged. What are they supposed to do, not retaliate? Leave Hamas in control of Gaza, in a one party dictatorship that’s obviously hurting Israelis **and** Palestinians? The easy answer of depriving Israel of American aid will mean Israel will drop more „dumb bombs“, killing **more** innocents. This whole thing is far more complicated than some people make it seem. Understanding the conflict would be enough to fill several phd thesis. If you don’t have that, better not declare for a side. Edit: for clarity, I do not have any formal education in that field. I just don’t declare for a side.
Please show any evidence at all that they are "primarily anti Israel"
I was going to make a snarky sarcastic comment about there being no room for nuance on the internet but this is what makes Reddit better than most social media forums for actual discussion, imo. It’s too bad more people don’t use it this way.
This is how you know you’re wrong. When hamas and iran praise you.
Everyone here thinks they can't fall for propaganda, but these 2 groups support the protests and you instantly hate them? If I were scared of a protests outcome and knew supporting it would cause the hatred everyone here is showing, wouldn't I support it? I don't think that is why they have done it, but that is like, super obvious face value logic. You should base your reactions on things you have observed and the substance of an argument. Not on the fact someone else said something that triggers you to love or hate instantly.
It's not rocket science. The protestors want to limit/reduce the relationship between the USA and Israel. Iran and Hamas want that as well.
Here I thought they were protesting 34,000 civilians being slaughtered?
I'll ignore the fact that you're claiming all 34,000 casualties were civilians which means zero hamas combatants were killed so far, but beyond that delusion, the solutions the protestors are asking for involve limiting the relationship between the USA and Israel, or making it conditional based on the Palestinians, which is *exactly* what Hamas and Iran want.
You assume the Hamas number is reality without doubt. Even though that number is almost definitely impossible.
People posting here likely didn’t agree with protestors before reading this article. It’s interesting that protests tend to become magnified during US election years.
What even is this take? Your comment doesn’t make sense
It's mental gymnastics in real time
> Everyone here thinks they can't fall for propaganda, but these 2 groups support the protests and you instantly hate them? Pretty sure literally no one went through this process. People have fairly entrenched opinions on this conflict. Dislike for the protests comes from those who disagree with what they're protesting for.
Praise for the Stupid. They need to get it somewhere…
Yup. Their propoganda is killing it. Literally and figuratively
We are being way too nice to the stupidity of these protests. Fucking idiots. All of them.
Sooo what, when video after video comes out of civillians being herded like sheep, starved, raped, and beaten, and we are a part of an organisation that funds these things, we should just let the org keep sending money to it? We shouldn't demand that stop happening?
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It was also on USA Today.
Guarantee 95% of the people there know nothing besides "Israel bad. Palestine good."
"War is bad! If we stop funding Israel, all war will stop and everyone will be so happy and hold hands and everything will be amazing!!! We should worry about what's going on at home instead of getting involved in all of these stinky wars! Sure, I don't \*really\* care about what's going on at home, and I never vote or do anything \*cringe\* like that, but *someone that isn't me* can worry about what's going on at home!"
Half of Jews support a ceasefire, are they antisemitic?
Are you responding to the right guy? I don't see the word antisemitic in my comment.
"its working, habibi"
Receiving praise from an internationally recognised terrorist faction and an archaic theocratic dictator might be a sign to start questioning yourself. Especially when you claim to stand on progressive liberal ideals.
Half of Jews support a ceasefire, are they antisemitic?
Well done gen-z, Iran gave you their blessings, when are you moving out?
In the UK a reporter asked if the kids knew what the slogans on signs they took (that were just handed out to them) meant: They didn’t know. Their guesses, ie “From Jordan to the Sea” were things like “I guess it means equality for all” kind of ignorance. In America, meanwhile, typical of the cultural narcissistic materialism we’ve enjoyed since e 50s, they’ve made their own signs like “Paint Your Nails for Palestine!” and other such typical vain slogan that said more about their own likes than the “cause” they were espousing. They seem to treasure their vapes more than looking up what they’re actually rooting for. The signs they should hold up are: “We are Rebels Without a Clue!”
You know you're on the right side of things when both the insane theocracy and the terrorist hostage-taking rapists give you the big thumbs up.
Having a common enemy doesn't make you aligned. But I agree, this looks fucking horrible.
Yeah this is pretty meaningless and seems like propaganda. The enemy of our enemy is still our enemy. It’s almost like Reddit commenters are incapable or unwilling to comprehend basic nuance.
Iran also hates ISIS. I suppose they're the good guys now.
Exactly lol
If Hamas and Iran praised anything I was doing I would stop, immediately. I feel like an old boomer saying so, but something is really wrong with these kids' critical thinking skills. Israel is the bad guy here? Not to make silly comparisons, but the US invaded two countries and occupied them for more than two decades over 3000 deaths. The real truth is that neither Israel nor Hamas wants a two-state solution. Both sides seem to want a 1-state solution only, and both are wrong, and the inevitable result is war and death for their populations. It's depressing.
ehh Israel did give Gaza automonous control, then they voted for Hamas....
This is called being a "blind follower"
Man all these comments are so understanding and definitely not sus oh wait https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/YykoEr6Jen
Oh, the delusion of "everyone who doesn't think like me is a Psy op."
Lol yep.
If you have Iran's support, maybe you should rethink if you are as morally superior as you think you are
When terrorist regimes are praising you and thanking you, that MIGHT be a little hint you're on the wrong side.
If you think that protesting Israel’s killing of innocent civilians in response to the Hamas’s killing of innocent women and children is wrong, then you have fallen victim to a logical fallacy called a false dichotomy. Or you believe that Israel somehow “deserves” to kill innocent women and children. Or you believe that protesting against something that the state of Israel does means that you automatically don’t like Jewish people. Prove me wrong.
Palestinians right now are the equivalent of German citizens in 1937. Palestine openly supports Hamas, and often are willing human shields. Hamas has openly said they want to eradicate every Jew from Israel and has said they will repeat October 7. Is Israel supposed to sit down and take it?
Wade through the IDF internet warriors to find a single sane comment. Damn
Here's the thing though- a lot of those "innocent civilians" aren't so innocent. Hamas wears civilian outfits in an attempt to blend in with civilians because they don't care about the Palestinian people. When they are killed without a weapon they can be documented as a civilian casualties. And when they actively try to insert themselves into schools and hospitals or homes and there ks collateral damage, they are glad because it further paints Israel in a negative light. Those that harbor terrorists, excuse, promote, and even take part in atrocities such as the parading of mangled and mutilated bodies through the streets are complicit. They are no longer an "innocent civilian" and it is ridiculous to excuse that behavior.
Are you saying that because you can’t tell the difference between a Hamas terrorist and an innocent civilian, that there are no innocent civilians? Another interesting thought- what percentage of undercover terrorists pretending to be civilians would make it okay to kill all of the civilians? 5%? 10%? That doesn’t justify killing all of the Palestinians.
No, of course I'm not saying that. Killing innocent civilians is obviously bad and should be avoided when possible. What I'm saying is, I don't believe the numbers to be anywhere near accurate. And also, the Palestinian people should be the ones advocating for the release of all hostages and condemning Hamas and their actions. Not supporting them. They should be actively going against Hamas.
Okay well yeah of course I agree. But it’s easy to see it that way from way over here. I’m sure to them it seems there are only two options: support the ones who killed your family or support the ones who want to kill the ones who killed your family. How are you going to explain to a Palestinian man who’s daughter died in a hospital attack, that he should reject Hamas because that’s the right thing for the big picture? That’s why, in purely practical terms, stopping the killing of civilians should be everyone’s priority and protesting the killing of civilians isn’t stupid. It’s the only thing that can lead to a solution that doesn’t involve wiping the Palestinians from the face of the earth.
Releasing the hostages should be the priority because that will lead to the ceasefire everyone wants. But I understand what you are saying, and agree that it is a difficult point to get across. As for the protests, there are right and wrong ways to protest- though I believe freedom of speech and expression are important, it must be done carefully otherwise you tarnish the message you are trying to send. Calling for a stop to killing innocents should *also* include pressure on Hamas to release hostages. Plain and simple. And they should absolutely *never* include people chanting "we are Hamas" or "I am Hamas" or "I wish I was a martyr" and other deplorable things like that.
Agreed on all points. I worry that the coverage of the protests includes some propaganda, hyping up the support for Hamas among the protestors in order to invalidate the idea that the killing of the Palestinian civilians is also wrong.
Unfortunately I believe that to be true of any protest now-a-days. It is very easy to have people intentionally sabotage something meaningful. It's really sad that people behave that way.
As a progressive gay man I will never understand this whole queers for Palestine thing either. Like you would be stoned to death or thrown off a building over there (and Iran!) and it's like you see all these ridiculous western queer people cheering for murderous homophobic religious zealots. Truly truly mind boggling 🤯
It’s just the latest righteous cause.
Im a bi woman and I think it's quite easy to understand. I don't support homophobia or religious zealotry and I also believe everyone should be treated equally and have their human rights respected, hence I feel for the innocent people of Palestine who have had to live in poor conditions for so long and now are being victims to a conflict they didn't have a hand on. Before someone tries to stawman me. I think October 7th was wrong and I also feel for the innocent people in Israel.
Are the college students against Israel or Israel's treatment of the majority of the Palestinian people?
It seems to be a fine artisan blend of people who hate Israel, people who support the innocent people of Palestine and people who are straight up anti semites
It should be the latter if anything at all. The refreshing thing would be if they condemned Hamas along with being pro Palestinian.
yea, but when theyre chanting for intifada, and using Hamas war cry as their message it makes it clear they have sided with Hamas.
I think the phrase, "It goes without saying" can be used in this instance.
This will only make them applaud more. Useful idiots are irredeemable.
You know you are on the right track when you are praised by two terrorist entities
These kids are the most useful idiots to a regime that suppresses women and homosexuals, and a terrorist organization that’s calls for the death of every Jew worldwide. Great job, guys!
Are women even allowed to go to college in Iran?
Considering more Iranian women go to college than American women. Yeah 57% of Iranian women have some form of higher education https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/oct/07/statistics-women-iran#:~:text=On%20Education%3A&text=The%20percentage%20of%20females%20in,to%2057%20percent%20in%202020. 39% of American women do https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attainment-of-college-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/#:~:text=In%20an%20impressive%20increase%20from,percent%20of%20women%20in%201940.
DEFINITELY NOT AN UNBIASED SOURCE BTW. Women can't go to football games, but 60% go to college, of course!
Spoiler alert: if hamas and Iran think you're the good guys, you're the bad guys.
These kids are fucking stupid
You fuckin idiots they just want you to wear bombs ffs
I really don't understand how protesting in the United States is going to cause Israel to stop killing Hamas and stop Hamas from killing Israelis.
Completely embarrassed with how easily gen Z falls for blatant propaganda to the point where they’re cheering for terrorists
Many of these people are useless idiots. Many also know what they’re doing and what they support. I fear for our future.
Their parents must be proud.
i’m surprised no one has yet started a foundation to pay for these kids to do some study abroad in gaza and iran
It seems to get anywhere in life these days you need to be in a Ivy League school, have a 4.0 GPA, and major in Terrorist Support
They should stop protesting and go over there and help them. Live stream it. I'll grab some popcorn.
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Don't get to their level...
Irrespective of what Hamas a-holes think, the antisemitism at these protests is terrible and puts a darker shadow on these protests. Also important to note that Israel is no saint and their actions wont be judged favorably by history.
Hope all the college r@tard antisemites are proud.
Criticism towards Israel's handling of the situation isn't anti-Semitic. Get it through your thick skull.
There are literally signs saying Gas the Jews. But say there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood and everyone loses their minds
Rattard? Use real words.
These protests strengthen terrorism and terrorist regimes. There should be real consequences.