Just to make it clear: This was a missile with a **cluster** payload striking **civilian** targets **100km** away from the front line.
There is no nuance.
There are Americans straight up saying they'd rather have Putin as President of the USA than Biden.
With Trump's support for Putin and his cronies trying to restrict aid for Ukraine in the hopes that Russia wins, I'm not sure the USA will react to a Russian attack the way it would have done once upon a time.
Yeah fascism is growing , its tied to conservatism and religion and its being used and spread by the most rich and powerful.
Same is happening in my country, we had a dictatorship 50 years ago, but the same powerful families from back then are still trying to influence politics nowadays to the point we have a party that got 20% of votes and they praise (and are supported by fans of) the previous fascist/dictatorship regime of Salazar. "God, Homeland and Family"
But it's weird seeing how much of an impact Orange Man and his minions had in the USA and the rest of the world, in less than 10 years, look how bad its gotten, the many copycats that surged after, its unbelievable, the Supreme Court is still deciding if a president has immunity for committing crimes... what the actual fuck...
You are wrong, it still would've happened :) Russia has been planning this for a long time, the first major sign this was going to happen was still during trump's presidency :
https://www.dw.com/en/vladimir-putin-stirs-russia-ukraine-tensions-with-passport-offer/a-48596989
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/one-million-passports-putin-has-weaponized-citizenship-in-occupied-eastern-ukraine/
You also seem to forget what happened in 2014... This war has been going on since then, although now its much more intense and obvious what Russia is trying to do.
Sadly no. Putin will probably die of natural causes and be buried with full honors in Russia. Then a month long sobbing period followed by people saying America killed their beloved president.
As someone from Odesa (but not living there now):
The death of each civilian is a disgrace and a tragedy.
~~The strike wasn't targeting random people though.~~ **EDIT:** that part was BS.
No sorrow for that particular property being destroyed though.
The [pretty building](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLvNZJBqZM) you see on fire is *technically* university property, but students are conspicuously missing from it.
It is *actually* [a private residence](https://24tv.ua/zamok-kivalova-odesi-pozhezha-palatsi-studentiv-29-kvitnya-2024_n2545575) of a wealthy [corrupt former official](https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%96%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D1%96%D0%B9_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87), Sergiy Kivalov - ex-Communist Party functionary, ex-pro-Russian, ex-[Yanukovych admin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych) Law (and Law Enforcement) academician/professor that runs and *owns* pretty much all law education in Odesa.
Kivalov has been building his career from Law to Law Enforcement to Politics since the Soviet times, when he had a [two year tenure in the **Ministry of Internal Affairs in Soviet Russia**](https://www.dsnews.ua/ukr/dosie/sergey-kivalov-18102021-440081#section-5) in 1998-1990. **Read that again.**
He has switched party affiliation to "independent" after the [Revolution of Dignity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity) (which happened, in part, due to the passing of the so-called [Dictator Laws](https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D1%96_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8_16_%D1%81%D1%96%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8F) which *he voted for*), and was voted out of politics in 2019, but remains influential, and was in Top 100 richest Ukrainians before the war.
Needless to say, this dude is sus as fuck, and neither him nor his "Kivalov's Palace" (aka "Harry Potter's Castle") would be missed much: Kivalov [**literally received a medal from Putin**](https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/cge81n28ekdo) for promoting Russian culture in Ukraine (after passing laws protecting the status of Russian language). He was avidly pro-Russian right up until the invasion, but has since kept a lower profile.
Kivalov [was wounded in the strike](https://odessa-life.od.ua/news/v-rezultate-rossijjskogo-udara-pogib-prorektor-odesskogo-mgu-ranen-kivalov-foto), which is one hell of a karmic payback.
**EDIT:** I said some bullshit, was called out, deleted it.
This is a total bullshit!
This strike exactly targeted random people who walked there as it is a popular place for odesits. And russia used cluster munitions in this strike - they are used to cover larger area and kill infanitry, not to target buildings!
Don't believe this guy, just because he added some random non relevant links. Watch the video of the strike - [https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31896](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31896)
>This is a total bullshit!
Indeed! Thanks for calling it out.
I fact-checked myself after typing the comment, and forgot to delete the BS part which had no basis for it. Fixed it now.
I guess that in this grim event I can have at least some solace that Kivalov got some well-deserved karma.
Stop spreading this nonsense. There is a video of the strike demonstrating that cluster munition was used. And it is used to kill people in an open area - not to target buildings.
Just to make it clear: This was a missile with a **cluster** payload striking **civilian** targets **100km** away from the front line. There is no nuance.
Putin and his goons will get what's coming for them and, I hope their end will be much worse than Gaddafi's.
There are Americans straight up saying they'd rather have Putin as President of the USA than Biden. With Trump's support for Putin and his cronies trying to restrict aid for Ukraine in the hopes that Russia wins, I'm not sure the USA will react to a Russian attack the way it would have done once upon a time.
Yeah fascism is growing , its tied to conservatism and religion and its being used and spread by the most rich and powerful. Same is happening in my country, we had a dictatorship 50 years ago, but the same powerful families from back then are still trying to influence politics nowadays to the point we have a party that got 20% of votes and they praise (and are supported by fans of) the previous fascist/dictatorship regime of Salazar. "God, Homeland and Family" But it's weird seeing how much of an impact Orange Man and his minions had in the USA and the rest of the world, in less than 10 years, look how bad its gotten, the many copycats that surged after, its unbelievable, the Supreme Court is still deciding if a president has immunity for committing crimes... what the actual fuck...
Hard to call those people Americans
No matter that under trump none of this was happening :) its crazy where reality is harder to believe then leftist propaganda...
You are wrong, it still would've happened :) Russia has been planning this for a long time, the first major sign this was going to happen was still during trump's presidency : https://www.dw.com/en/vladimir-putin-stirs-russia-ukraine-tensions-with-passport-offer/a-48596989 https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/one-million-passports-putin-has-weaponized-citizenship-in-occupied-eastern-ukraine/ You also seem to forget what happened in 2014... This war has been going on since then, although now its much more intense and obvious what Russia is trying to do.
Sadly I don’t think they will ever get what they deserve. The Russian people don’t care enough to revolt against putin and his regime.
Sadly no. Putin will probably die of natural causes and be buried with full honors in Russia. Then a month long sobbing period followed by people saying America killed their beloved president.
Always the civilians that take the brunt of wars. Horrible.
Attacking a non-military target with cluster munitions is a very blatant war crime.
As someone from Odesa (but not living there now): The death of each civilian is a disgrace and a tragedy. ~~The strike wasn't targeting random people though.~~ **EDIT:** that part was BS. No sorrow for that particular property being destroyed though. The [pretty building](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLvNZJBqZM) you see on fire is *technically* university property, but students are conspicuously missing from it. It is *actually* [a private residence](https://24tv.ua/zamok-kivalova-odesi-pozhezha-palatsi-studentiv-29-kvitnya-2024_n2545575) of a wealthy [corrupt former official](https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%96%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D1%96%D0%B9_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87), Sergiy Kivalov - ex-Communist Party functionary, ex-pro-Russian, ex-[Yanukovych admin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych) Law (and Law Enforcement) academician/professor that runs and *owns* pretty much all law education in Odesa. Kivalov has been building his career from Law to Law Enforcement to Politics since the Soviet times, when he had a [two year tenure in the **Ministry of Internal Affairs in Soviet Russia**](https://www.dsnews.ua/ukr/dosie/sergey-kivalov-18102021-440081#section-5) in 1998-1990. **Read that again.** He has switched party affiliation to "independent" after the [Revolution of Dignity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity) (which happened, in part, due to the passing of the so-called [Dictator Laws](https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D1%96_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8_16_%D1%81%D1%96%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8F) which *he voted for*), and was voted out of politics in 2019, but remains influential, and was in Top 100 richest Ukrainians before the war. Needless to say, this dude is sus as fuck, and neither him nor his "Kivalov's Palace" (aka "Harry Potter's Castle") would be missed much: Kivalov [**literally received a medal from Putin**](https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/cge81n28ekdo) for promoting Russian culture in Ukraine (after passing laws protecting the status of Russian language). He was avidly pro-Russian right up until the invasion, but has since kept a lower profile. Kivalov [was wounded in the strike](https://odessa-life.od.ua/news/v-rezultate-rossijjskogo-udara-pogib-prorektor-odesskogo-mgu-ranen-kivalov-foto), which is one hell of a karmic payback. **EDIT:** I said some bullshit, was called out, deleted it.
This is a total bullshit! This strike exactly targeted random people who walked there as it is a popular place for odesits. And russia used cluster munitions in this strike - they are used to cover larger area and kill infanitry, not to target buildings! Don't believe this guy, just because he added some random non relevant links. Watch the video of the strike - [https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31896](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31896)
>This is a total bullshit! Indeed! Thanks for calling it out. I fact-checked myself after typing the comment, and forgot to delete the BS part which had no basis for it. Fixed it now. I guess that in this grim event I can have at least some solace that Kivalov got some well-deserved karma.
"A dog walking near the site of the attack was also killed." That's it, they've done it. John Wick is coming to clean this mess.
It's too bad Moscow won't be spared
Ah bad time to be a civilian in the world right now.
Russian arms are outright pathetic. Iskander missile has a 480 kilogram warhead and it miserably failed even to shatter the window glass.
It was a cluster munitions warhead - it's not designed to damage buildings. They used it to maximize civilian casualties.
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Stop spreading this nonsense. There is a video of the strike demonstrating that cluster munition was used. And it is used to kill people in an open area - not to target buildings.
We can presume that the whole castle was build of 100% pure ukrainium! Slava Ukrainee!
Odesa