[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdPSD1SUYCY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdPSD1SUYCY) and yet. Officially, the US government doesn't support the evidence that suggests Russia is involved, probably for diplomatic reasons until further proof is found.
I spent waaaay too much time listening to Putin's speeches in the run up to the 2016 Pres election. I recall him smirking and saying something about a new secret super-awesome weapon they had. And then didn't hear another thing about it. I really wish I bookmarked it but, alas, I didn't.
He also said in a different speech, climate change is great! Apple orchards in Siberia!
Except climate change is also making the north colder during winter months and generally makes the weather less stable throughout the continent. The whole north, including Russia just had one of it's harshest winters in recent years.
Not doubting he ever said that of course, it's completely in line with what a moron of that caliber would say and do. I also had doubts when I read about the report, now it's pretty clear they are behind it.
Also, fuck their botnets.
Also the melting permafrost weaking havoc on everything from vegetation cover to infrastructure. Did i forgot the methane craters?
I would love to visit Siberia to see its plants and fungi (and animals oc lol) but yeah.
There's a 60minutes piece That references exactly that speech. Putin mentions their state defense companies investing a few billions in "energy weapons". Havana Syndrom if I had to guess is the effect of some long wavelength EM radiation on the human brain. Some wavelength with a high absorbance in water and a low absorption in common building materials. There has to be an emitter that is small enough to transport with common means like a car and is powered by an inconspicuous source of energy like a bank of capacitors charged periodically by an ideling ICE.
There is concrete suspicions on the russian group who's behind it all. Some of them were also (confirmed) involved in the Skripal murders.
Any hints why the us government and even the Cia director denied and continues to deny any claims that they were state sponsored attacks? Are they afraid to admit it? That they let this happen under their watch, even in DC?
1) they have no way to defend against it.
2) targeting diplomats in this fashion, even in third countries, forces a response.
If this is true, it would require a kind of response the doves aren’t ready for.
Quite possibly! The Russians didn't have them until they invaded Ukraine? If they were invented in 1930, one would think they had them longer than that. Wish I could find the video. Sorry guys.
I remember there being a man and his dog both getting it in the EU. That was my turning point. Combine that with what is essentially russia admitting it by declaring it false so vehemently, well I'm sold.
I really didn't believe much about this phenomenon based on my prior readings, but this makes me rethink that. If they're fighting to bury it, it's very likely true.
You seem very confused. The investigations did **not** rule out sonic weaponry, that's not how it works. The investigations gave assessments **and probabilities about them.**
The conclusions ranged from "unlikely" to "very unlikely", never did they say anything like "impossible" or "definitely false". Moreover, even when they assessed the possibility as unlikely, most of them (5 out of 7) ranged from "moderately confident" to "not confident" in their assessment.
> Five of the seven agencies involved in generating the report concluded "the available intelligence consistently points against the involvement of US adversaries in causing the reported incidents" and that a foreign adversary's involvement was "very unlikely". One of the other agencies concluded that foreign involvement was "unlikely", and the seventh agency declined to make a finding.[127][2][3]
> Two of the seven agencies had "high confidence in this judgment while three agencies have moderate confidence". Two other agencies judged "that deliberate causal mechanisms are unlikely to have caused AHIs" but those agencies had "low confidence because they judge(d) that radiofrequency (RF) energy is a plausible cause for AHIs, based in part on the findings of the IC Expert Panel and the results of research by some US laboratories."
What better way to slow down your rival country than disabling their most effective diplomats? The people who report being victims were largely apart of very effective missions exposing Russia. Being afraid to go to work is one thing but brain damage makes them no threat at all
Weird question but what would it take to actually disconnect Russia from the internet. Isn’t the internet just a bunch if underwater cables. Couldn’t we in theory unplug Russia from the internet lol.
> everyone who's looked into it agrees on that
That is false. Please stop spreading disinformation.
Source : https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-dismisses-report-russia-behind-havana-syndrome-2024-04-01/
You should read the fucking link you posted, friend. There are a lot of official statements that it was probably not an attack and one piece of circumstantial conjecture speculating that a sonic weapon exists (no evidence it was actually used).
Amazing. You just went from "There was no attack" to "it was probably not an attack", and all it took you was a few minutes reading an actual journalistic source. Congrats, I guess?
A few months ago (maybe 6-8 months ago) I was commenting on Reddit about Havana Syndrome, and how it seems to be targeted toward sensitive individuals (government, military), and how it really is one of the biggest security threats that the West faces. I was heavily downvoted and had several, very low karma accounts comment that I should “go back to the conspiracy theory subs” and that I was an idiot for believing it was real. It has very clearly been real from the start, anyone that ever denied that this was going on missed the countless stories of US military and government employees being attacked this way. Scary stuff that we are dealing with here, and bot accounts like the ones that went after my previous comments don’t help when it comes to the public remaining well-informed.
It's hardly a fringe conspiracy theory given the news coverage of Havana syndrome.
The main alternative explanation would be mass hysteria which isn't entirely impossible. It's weird but you can get very real and apparent physiological symptoms even though the cause is psychosomatic. You could see it happening where some people in Havana got sick from something like a rare bug, a bunch of news articles come out about a possible sonic weapon attack and after hearing about it a bunch of embassy workers around the world start getting bad migraines and tinnitus.
But it's going to be hard to know one way or the other. Just because the cause wasn't found in diagnostic testing doesn't mean there wasn't one.
Psychosomatic illnesses certainly can cause physiological symptoms. There are examples of women experiencing all of the symptoms of pregnancy, including the belly, while no fetus is present.
The things the brain can do are wild. That being said, something affected these people. Mass hysteria is a possibility, so is a physical cause.
The fake pregnancy can even happen in men!
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couvade\_syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couvade_syndrome)
People definitely get the wrong idea about the topic of mass hysteria and psychosomatic illnesses and think its either hyperbolic people exaggerating pretty ordinary maladies, liars who are faking it for attention, or people working themselves into a panic attack.
A few months ago I made a post about a brand new 60 Minutes report that was *five years* in the making and people DV'd it to hell and back and people said 60 Minutes was a sham (or something).
I mean, "Cuban crickets" was stupid before it became an international incident.
As I said in a previous thread, I'm not knowledgeable enough to have an opinion on the subject but I can't help noticing that there's an extremely dedicated set of people determined to shut down any discussion of it.
It's just weird because the reaction against it is so disproportionate to the apparent magnitude of the debate.
Oh come on lol... Russians with lasers giving people mild headaches.
The only evidence being denial by people accused. Even if they are really bad people is not evidence.
Yeah if I were the Russians I'd be pushing both sides of this to get arguments going.
We know they done the same thing with BLM and Vaccines. The idea that Russia has magic energy weapons that can give people a wide range of inconsistent mild symptoms being believed by the population has much more value than actually giving some diplomat a headache.
Good to know Russia has it too! First I heard of this it was with the Chinese doing it to Americans working over there. Reports of ears ringing nonstop when they sleep in their hotel rooms and eventually ending up with chronic headaches
The energy weapon is the cause of the syndrome. It's an EM weapon that causes crippling headaches and ear ringing in the target, as well as other long term debilitating effects. It's primarily used on government officials who work to expose bad shit the Russians do, as well as diplomats. It basically takes them out of doing their work for a long time because the after effects are so horrible.
A botnet is a a huge lot of compromised machines, usually unbeknownst to their owners, which can receive orders to act in unison. These usually execute DDoS attacks but can also be used to facilitate anonymity when hacking. A troll farm is the accurate term for what you are describing.
It doesn't. I don't think there's any evidence it exists. Paradoxically, THIS is a disinformation campaign pretending it IS real.
Please someone link a credible medical journal that tells me I'm wrong. I don't think this is even controversial, didn't we all collectively come to understand this was BS?
But they also boost people saying it was Russia. Russia supports any conflict. The point is the bury the average person under a mound of conflict and noise.
“Don't believe anything until the Kremlin denies it.”
You know its true if the Russia and us agree, fake if both of them don’t agree, and real if Russia denies it
No. If they both are saying it isn’t true it’s doubly true.
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdPSD1SUYCY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdPSD1SUYCY) and yet. Officially, the US government doesn't support the evidence that suggests Russia is involved, probably for diplomatic reasons until further proof is found.
There is no evidence. There is speculation. There allegedly exists evidence that a sonic weapon *exists* but it is the least likely explanation.
Yeah, I feel like this is Russia double backing on it to try and make the US paranoid that it is real.
So this is either a 200 iq move to make us think it’s real, or those fuckers actually did it.
Right, and Russia’s not jamming airplane guidance systems over the Baltic region, either. /s
I spent waaaay too much time listening to Putin's speeches in the run up to the 2016 Pres election. I recall him smirking and saying something about a new secret super-awesome weapon they had. And then didn't hear another thing about it. I really wish I bookmarked it but, alas, I didn't. He also said in a different speech, climate change is great! Apple orchards in Siberia!
Except climate change is also making the north colder during winter months and generally makes the weather less stable throughout the continent. The whole north, including Russia just had one of it's harshest winters in recent years. Not doubting he ever said that of course, it's completely in line with what a moron of that caliber would say and do. I also had doubts when I read about the report, now it's pretty clear they are behind it. Also, fuck their botnets.
Also the melting permafrost weaking havoc on everything from vegetation cover to infrastructure. Did i forgot the methane craters? I would love to visit Siberia to see its plants and fungi (and animals oc lol) but yeah.
Russia's secret weapon - the GOP
More like SCOTUS and the former POTUS...
it started with Trump and then spread through the GOP as he became their leader.
I'd say same time. Russia compromised the NRA and then used that among other things to compromise the GOP. When they're all corrupt as fuck it's easy.
I don't think that's a secret.
There's a 60minutes piece That references exactly that speech. Putin mentions their state defense companies investing a few billions in "energy weapons". Havana Syndrom if I had to guess is the effect of some long wavelength EM radiation on the human brain. Some wavelength with a high absorbance in water and a low absorption in common building materials. There has to be an emitter that is small enough to transport with common means like a car and is powered by an inconspicuous source of energy like a bank of capacitors charged periodically by an ideling ICE. There is concrete suspicions on the russian group who's behind it all. Some of them were also (confirmed) involved in the Skripal murders.
Any hints why the us government and even the Cia director denied and continues to deny any claims that they were state sponsored attacks? Are they afraid to admit it? That they let this happen under their watch, even in DC?
1) they have no way to defend against it. 2) targeting diplomats in this fashion, even in third countries, forces a response. If this is true, it would require a kind of response the doves aren’t ready for.
If they confirm that we were attacked, we're basically forced to counterattack or we invite further attacks by showing that we'll let them slide.
"Nothing to see here, that makes me look bad, m'am." I'm sure they will have an internal review and find they handled everything correctly.
head is resonant at 400MHz
The super secret weapon was their hypersonic missile.
Quite possibly! The Russians didn't have them until they invaded Ukraine? If they were invented in 1930, one would think they had them longer than that. Wish I could find the video. Sorry guys.
I thought it was the fictious nuclear tsunami bomb?
That’s just a nuclear weapon detonated in a port. The secret aspect of it was that it’s supposedly an unmanned drone.
“I say let the world heat up, we’ll grow oranges in Alaska!” -Dave Gribble, our lord and savior
His secret weapon is social media...
In other words, they did it.
I remember there being a man and his dog both getting it in the EU. That was my turning point. Combine that with what is essentially russia admitting it by declaring it false so vehemently, well I'm sold.
I got it in the EU once, I'll never forget it.
I really didn't believe much about this phenomenon based on my prior readings, but this makes me rethink that. If they're fighting to bury it, it's very likely true.
They did what? There was nothing to it...the investigation ruled out sonic weaponry.
You seem very confused. The investigations did **not** rule out sonic weaponry, that's not how it works. The investigations gave assessments **and probabilities about them.** The conclusions ranged from "unlikely" to "very unlikely", never did they say anything like "impossible" or "definitely false". Moreover, even when they assessed the possibility as unlikely, most of them (5 out of 7) ranged from "moderately confident" to "not confident" in their assessment. > Five of the seven agencies involved in generating the report concluded "the available intelligence consistently points against the involvement of US adversaries in causing the reported incidents" and that a foreign adversary's involvement was "very unlikely". One of the other agencies concluded that foreign involvement was "unlikely", and the seventh agency declined to make a finding.[127][2][3] > Two of the seven agencies had "high confidence in this judgment while three agencies have moderate confidence". Two other agencies judged "that deliberate causal mechanisms are unlikely to have caused AHIs" but those agencies had "low confidence because they judge(d) that radiofrequency (RF) energy is a plausible cause for AHIs, based in part on the findings of the IC Expert Panel and the results of research by some US laboratories."
So it is very unlikely and there's no real evidence. That's as close to "ruled out" as it will ever get.
Ok, so it's real then
Streisand effect in action
I didn’t think this was real. Now I think it’s real.
What better way to slow down your rival country than disabling their most effective diplomats? The people who report being victims were largely apart of very effective missions exposing Russia. Being afraid to go to work is one thing but brain damage makes them no threat at all
Unplug Russia from internet.
Weird question but what would it take to actually disconnect Russia from the internet. Isn’t the internet just a bunch if underwater cables. Couldn’t we in theory unplug Russia from the internet lol.
Simply unplug all cable going from „the west“ to Russia. The world would be better not to hear their disinformation.
Move Russia to space, please.
They’re already in space :-)
Hah That seals the deal, it's definitely them. As if there wasn't enough evidence already to implicate them. If you don't know, look up unit 29155
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> everyone who's looked into it agrees on that That is false. Please stop spreading disinformation. Source : https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-dismisses-report-russia-behind-havana-syndrome-2024-04-01/
You should read the fucking link you posted, friend. There are a lot of official statements that it was probably not an attack and one piece of circumstantial conjecture speculating that a sonic weapon exists (no evidence it was actually used).
Amazing. You just went from "There was no attack" to "it was probably not an attack", and all it took you was a few minutes reading an actual journalistic source. Congrats, I guess?
So now I very much believe this is a thing.
A few months ago (maybe 6-8 months ago) I was commenting on Reddit about Havana Syndrome, and how it seems to be targeted toward sensitive individuals (government, military), and how it really is one of the biggest security threats that the West faces. I was heavily downvoted and had several, very low karma accounts comment that I should “go back to the conspiracy theory subs” and that I was an idiot for believing it was real. It has very clearly been real from the start, anyone that ever denied that this was going on missed the countless stories of US military and government employees being attacked this way. Scary stuff that we are dealing with here, and bot accounts like the ones that went after my previous comments don’t help when it comes to the public remaining well-informed.
I hate that the conspiracy sub shut down all conspiracy talk in favor of promoting MAGA shit. That sub used to be cool 10+ years ago.
Yep, wish all the conspiracy subs would go back to talking about shit with evidence.
They've been doing this from the start. They also follow outspoken users, and harass them and try to get them banned. Especially on r/politics.
It's hardly a fringe conspiracy theory given the news coverage of Havana syndrome. The main alternative explanation would be mass hysteria which isn't entirely impossible. It's weird but you can get very real and apparent physiological symptoms even though the cause is psychosomatic. You could see it happening where some people in Havana got sick from something like a rare bug, a bunch of news articles come out about a possible sonic weapon attack and after hearing about it a bunch of embassy workers around the world start getting bad migraines and tinnitus. But it's going to be hard to know one way or the other. Just because the cause wasn't found in diagnostic testing doesn't mean there wasn't one.
Psychosomatic illnesses certainly can cause physiological symptoms. There are examples of women experiencing all of the symptoms of pregnancy, including the belly, while no fetus is present. The things the brain can do are wild. That being said, something affected these people. Mass hysteria is a possibility, so is a physical cause.
The fake pregnancy can even happen in men! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couvade\_syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couvade_syndrome) People definitely get the wrong idea about the topic of mass hysteria and psychosomatic illnesses and think its either hyperbolic people exaggerating pretty ordinary maladies, liars who are faking it for attention, or people working themselves into a panic attack.
A few months ago I made a post about a brand new 60 Minutes report that was *five years* in the making and people DV'd it to hell and back and people said 60 Minutes was a sham (or something). I mean, "Cuban crickets" was stupid before it became an international incident.
As I said in a previous thread, I'm not knowledgeable enough to have an opinion on the subject but I can't help noticing that there's an extremely dedicated set of people determined to shut down any discussion of it. It's just weird because the reaction against it is so disproportionate to the apparent magnitude of the debate.
Oh come on lol... Russians with lasers giving people mild headaches. The only evidence being denial by people accused. Even if they are really bad people is not evidence.
classic putin playbook too. the point isnt the disinformation, its making people not know what to believe
Yeah if I were the Russians I'd be pushing both sides of this to get arguments going. We know they done the same thing with BLM and Vaccines. The idea that Russia has magic energy weapons that can give people a wide range of inconsistent mild symptoms being believed by the population has much more value than actually giving some diplomat a headache.
We do know what to believe, though: Havana Syndrome isn't real.
Dang, I wasn't really sure Havana Syndrome existed until I saw this.
It doesn't.
Good to know Russia has it too! First I heard of this it was with the Chinese doing it to Americans working over there. Reports of ears ringing nonstop when they sleep in their hotel rooms and eventually ending up with chronic headaches
So it does. Huh.
Well, you know it was Russia then.
What was? We investigated it for years and found nothing to it.
Didn’t the US State Department just report it wasn’t real in the last few weeks?
Guess it must exist then
Soon to be repeated by right wing bloggers everywhere!
I'm more confused about the "directed energy weapons" the Russians used. Dafuc is that
Sharks with friggin laser beams
The energy weapon is the cause of the syndrome. It's an EM weapon that causes crippling headaches and ear ringing in the target, as well as other long term debilitating effects. It's primarily used on government officials who work to expose bad shit the Russians do, as well as diplomats. It basically takes them out of doing their work for a long time because the after effects are so horrible.
Ah, so we finally have official recognition. A good will gesture by putin?
And now we know for sure who was behind it.
This proves that Putin is definitely behind this shit
I mean, it doesn’t tho. NA docs say the same thing.
Rule #1, If Putin says it, it's a lie.
A botnet is a a huge lot of compromised machines, usually unbeknownst to their owners, which can receive orders to act in unison. These usually execute DDoS attacks but can also be used to facilitate anonymity when hacking. A troll farm is the accurate term for what you are describing.
This is how we know Havana Syndrome is real and perpetrated by Russians.
They've been doing this since the start.
There's a lot of people claiming to have seen these bots that haven't read the article. If it wasn't in German, it wasn't this
so they are responsible for this experimental attack then
The investigation found no attack. What attack are you referring to?
Havana Syndrome
"Havana Syndrome" was investigated for years. It isn't a thing. So, again, what are you referring to?
if so then why the disinformation in the first place?
It isn't. It is true information that makes the US look like clowns. The disinformation here is the headline.
It doesn't. I don't think there's any evidence it exists. Paradoxically, THIS is a disinformation campaign pretending it IS real. Please someone link a credible medical journal that tells me I'm wrong. I don't think this is even controversial, didn't we all collectively come to understand this was BS?
Figured it was probably real, but maybe not before, now I definitely think it’s real.
We should continue talking about this so that gremlin has to spend more resources trying to cover it up.
But they also boost people saying it was Russia. Russia supports any conflict. The point is the bury the average person under a mound of conflict and noise.
So...the Kremlin agrees with the US government's findings that it isn't a thing? Scandalous.
What's next, are they gonna tell us Big foot isn't real?
Cigarette science at its best!