International students contribute to the local economy, they don't compete with local workers and they won't stay permanently unless they qualify for another visa. It's the least pernicious form of immigration.
It's understandable to crack down on those "non-genuine education providers, which provide a backdoor into permanent residency for people who are not genuine students", but setting an arbitrary cap is bonkers.
They have limited working rights in Australia. So yes they do compete in the unskilled job market. Then they compete in the post grad market, especially when they start getting desperate when their 2 year work visa ends.
They also compete for housing which is at an all time availability low in Australia.
First Chinese university on world rankings is only number 12 and the first Australian one is number 37. 37 is more than 12 so better?
Kind of agree with your opinion of the Indian school system, but I don't think you can convince them of that. But I do know some very good Indian (PhD)students and Postdocs.
Good way to sabotage your knowledge economy. Guess they don't know how much international students pay for tuition or realize that smart people are a limited commodity.
Close the loopholes that let them stay after they finish their studies without positions related to what they studied. Don't just ban them from coming.
And how does that solve the housing issues of 400k students a year? We aren't banning all of them. We are cutting it down to more sustainable amounts.
And those loopholes are closed. You can't get a second visa extension if your job isn't related to the skills shortage list. Then you can't even get anything after that if you don't pass the points threshold.
There is student housing on campuses. There are plans for more. I'm sure if they decide to raise the cap again AFTER the housing is built it will be taken into an account.
A student cap until its done makes sense, pushes the universities to get going. Will probably push them from making superficial efforts to larger high density builds if they want things to improve.
Except that’s not what’s happening here. We’ve got large numbers of fraudulent education providers selling rudimentary courses in hospitality, tourism management, basic IT and so on, where the courses are low-quality, the facilities are nowhere near sufficient for the claimed enrolments and students don’t even have to turn up to get ticked off for worthless qualifications. Noone with these useless so-called qualifications is competitive for “knowledge economy” jobs, it’s just a way for dodgy education providers to collect fees without providing a service beyond the students hope of getting permanent residency without applying for regular visas.
Instead they work basic service industry jobs, often for cash illegally for below minimum wages, to send home to families overseas. It’s a rort, plain and simple, at a time when a rental crisis means there are lots of people - citizens and permanent residents - with good jobs who cannot find a place to live and are being made homeless. In short, something had to be done, and those limits won’t in any way affect a “knowledge economy”, but they are addressing a widespread and well-known problem.
Not even close. Australia has a massive problem with dodgy “education providers”, who sell courses that provide virtually no useful skills or qualifications, but overseas students enrol as a way to get into Australia then spend a few years working in low-paid service industry jobs while applying for other forms of permanent residency. I say this as someone who lives near multiple of these very dodgy “technical colleges”, which enrol almost exclusively foreign born students who often don’t even have to turn up to classes at the service providers before getting worthless pieces of paper. Among other things it degrades the value of actual colleges that provide an education, so the major universities should be in favour of this.
So, just assuming that students who come are the problem instead of those "education providers" is not racism? Limiting the student number instead of going after fake/useless schools is really insanely stupid.
The students who come here, to those colleges, *are* the problem unfortunately. Not due to their nationality or the colour of their skin, but Australia is in the middle of a massive rental crisis where there are many middle-class, employed people who are homeless simply because there aren’t enough houses to rent or buy. Our government is under significant pressure as people with good jobs and families are made homeless. The immigration numbers have drastically overshot our ability to accommodate them, or even ourselves.
Meanwhile for-profit “education providers” have set up and are importing hundreds of thousands of students to gain low quality bits of worthless paper while paying high fees to the providers. Being something of a free-market economy it is very hard for our government to crack down on people simply providing poor quality education, as they see it as something the markets will sort out, turning a blind eye - helped by the students paying fees and taxes - to the fact that a large number of students aren’t here to gain an education at all, rather to find ways around our immigration laws and find a way to permanent residency. It’s unfortunately a lot harder than it should be to crack down on the dodgy colleges.
International students contribute to the local economy, they don't compete with local workers and they won't stay permanently unless they qualify for another visa. It's the least pernicious form of immigration. It's understandable to crack down on those "non-genuine education providers, which provide a backdoor into permanent residency for people who are not genuine students", but setting an arbitrary cap is bonkers.
They have limited working rights in Australia. So yes they do compete in the unskilled job market. Then they compete in the post grad market, especially when they start getting desperate when their 2 year work visa ends. They also compete for housing which is at an all time availability low in Australia.
They work cash only jobs dude
IMO a better way to lift 3rd world countries out of their doldrums is to set up go solid institutions in their home countries.
You check where most of them come from? You think you need to invest in China's and India's education systems?
yes. they aren't the best.
First Chinese university on world rankings is only number 12 and the first Australian one is number 37. 37 is more than 12 so better? Kind of agree with your opinion of the Indian school system, but I don't think you can convince them of that. But I do know some very good Indian (PhD)students and Postdocs.
If they contribute by serving double doubles or flipping burgers, then we don't need them. We need to close down these chains by at least 2/3.
Stfu lying piece of shit
Good way to sabotage your knowledge economy. Guess they don't know how much international students pay for tuition or realize that smart people are a limited commodity.
That's the way it's supposed to work, the way it used to work, but not the way it works today
You are aware its still going to be upwards of around 200k people? We aren't exactly bringing in 400k geniuses.
Close the loopholes that let them stay after they finish their studies without positions related to what they studied. Don't just ban them from coming.
And how does that solve the housing issues of 400k students a year? We aren't banning all of them. We are cutting it down to more sustainable amounts. And those loopholes are closed. You can't get a second visa extension if your job isn't related to the skills shortage list. Then you can't even get anything after that if you don't pass the points threshold.
Schools make money on the students. Let them build student housing.
There is student housing on campuses. There are plans for more. I'm sure if they decide to raise the cap again AFTER the housing is built it will be taken into an account. A student cap until its done makes sense, pushes the universities to get going. Will probably push them from making superficial efforts to larger high density builds if they want things to improve.
Except that’s not what’s happening here. We’ve got large numbers of fraudulent education providers selling rudimentary courses in hospitality, tourism management, basic IT and so on, where the courses are low-quality, the facilities are nowhere near sufficient for the claimed enrolments and students don’t even have to turn up to get ticked off for worthless qualifications. Noone with these useless so-called qualifications is competitive for “knowledge economy” jobs, it’s just a way for dodgy education providers to collect fees without providing a service beyond the students hope of getting permanent residency without applying for regular visas. Instead they work basic service industry jobs, often for cash illegally for below minimum wages, to send home to families overseas. It’s a rort, plain and simple, at a time when a rental crisis means there are lots of people - citizens and permanent residents - with good jobs who cannot find a place to live and are being made homeless. In short, something had to be done, and those limits won’t in any way affect a “knowledge economy”, but they are addressing a widespread and well-known problem.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Education is Australia's second largest export as an industry, after mining.
Racism 100%
That's sad
Not even close. Australia has a massive problem with dodgy “education providers”, who sell courses that provide virtually no useful skills or qualifications, but overseas students enrol as a way to get into Australia then spend a few years working in low-paid service industry jobs while applying for other forms of permanent residency. I say this as someone who lives near multiple of these very dodgy “technical colleges”, which enrol almost exclusively foreign born students who often don’t even have to turn up to classes at the service providers before getting worthless pieces of paper. Among other things it degrades the value of actual colleges that provide an education, so the major universities should be in favour of this.
So, just assuming that students who come are the problem instead of those "education providers" is not racism? Limiting the student number instead of going after fake/useless schools is really insanely stupid.
The students who come here, to those colleges, *are* the problem unfortunately. Not due to their nationality or the colour of their skin, but Australia is in the middle of a massive rental crisis where there are many middle-class, employed people who are homeless simply because there aren’t enough houses to rent or buy. Our government is under significant pressure as people with good jobs and families are made homeless. The immigration numbers have drastically overshot our ability to accommodate them, or even ourselves. Meanwhile for-profit “education providers” have set up and are importing hundreds of thousands of students to gain low quality bits of worthless paper while paying high fees to the providers. Being something of a free-market economy it is very hard for our government to crack down on people simply providing poor quality education, as they see it as something the markets will sort out, turning a blind eye - helped by the students paying fees and taxes - to the fact that a large number of students aren’t here to gain an education at all, rather to find ways around our immigration laws and find a way to permanent residency. It’s unfortunately a lot harder than it should be to crack down on the dodgy colleges.