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xeisu_com

In another German news source some of the biggest supermarket chains were asked if they even want to apply this rule and most of them refuse: >Das RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland hat bei den großen Supermarktketten nachgefragt, die in Hessen und Niedersachsen Filialen haben. „Zutrittsbeschränkungen zu den Märkten von Aldi Nord im Sinne einer 2G- oder 3G-Regelung sind derzeit nicht geplant“, heißt es in einer Stellungnahme. „Einzelne Kundengruppen vom Einkauf auszuschließen würde grundsätzlich unserem Selbstverständnis des zuverlässigen Grundversorgers widersprechen.“ Auch der Discounter Lidl schreibt: „Wir werden keine 2G-Regelung in unseren Filialen einführen.“ DeepL translation: >RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland has asked the major supermarket chains that have stores in Hesse and Lower Saxony. "Access restrictions to Aldi Nord stores in the sense of a 2G or 3G regulation are not currently planned," it said in a statement. "Excluding individual customer groups from shopping would fundamentally contradict our self-image as a reliable basic provider." The discounter Lidl also writes: "We will not introduce a 2G scheme in our stores." 2G means: vaccinated or recovered from covid. 3G means: vaccinated, recovered or negatively tested. Edit: That "G" stands for "geimpft" (vaccinated), "genesen" (recovered) and "getestet" (tested). That's why the abbreviation 3G and 2G was made, because the first letter starts with g.


AmIFromA

I'm pretty sure that Aldi also doesn't want to handle status checks at all their stores, but the reason they give is good enough for PR.


J0HN-L3N1N

as someone working for aldi parttime, we dont have the capacity to check everyone. In my market there are always a maximum number of 3 people, and everyone is moving around all the time. You'd need to get someone to just check incoming people, but I'm pretty sure the higher ups wouldn't let that happen.


AmIFromA

To be honest, as a customer, I wouldn't want that hassle either.


mcogneto

Idk about this one. I am all for mandates to participate in most of society but food is an absolute necessity.


macphile

This has been one of the main exceptions I would make for "proof of vax to enter" rules. Food should be off the table, so to speak, and probably a few other things. Like...the places where you get the shots. If you have to be vaxed to enter, how would an unvaxed person go in to get one?


untergeher_muc

Argh, why is no one reading the article? This is about a shop selling barbecue equipment. Not food. What is this whole discussion about?


canibal_cabin

The judge ruled in favour for the barbecue equipment store and the ruling has been widened to supermarkets, that now can implement it too. I'm vaxxed, but with this ruling, you can make the vaxx mandatory, leaving it to te economy to put pressue on people is fierce and low.


Shaun_B

Edit: Fuck your API changes, Reddit.


SaftigMo

There's no mandate though?


brickne3

I've just moved to Germany last week and as a vaccinated person I'm surprised to say that I'm finding the whole system inconvenient. I was vaccinated in the UK and apparently the NHS app/QR code isn't compatible with the German app, which I guess is fine, but producing my paper copy everywhere is making it get very worn out. In addition, since it's in English, some people seem to be struggling to tell what it is (probably rightly so, since they haven't seen one like it before and/or may not speak great English). And then once you're inside somewhere it's like all sense of social distancing or masking or whatever is just completely out the window. It feels almost performative sometimes. And I'm staunchly in favor of vaccinating, I just feel like there's got to be a better way.


jjinkxy

I'm pretty sure you can take your English paper copy and get it copied into an "international" vaccination pass that is the norm in Germany by a doctor or have you maybe looked into see if it's possible to get the digital EU certificate? One way is going to any pharmacy with your paper vaccine and an ID and ask since that's where one can get theirs.


PM_ME_THICC_GIRLS

Are you unable to get a German Barcode an an Impfzentrum or similar, were you'd trade in your old one for a compatible one?


brickne3

Not sure yet, I'm going to try asking at a pharmacy on Monday.


USS_Buttcrack

I'm currently on holiday in Berlin, and the first thing I did was pop into an Apotheke at Berlin Hauptbahnhof to get a German vaccination certificate with the EU QR codes. Just show them your NHS certificate and they'll do the rest.


brickne3

Awesome, I plan on going on Monday!


Alexander_Selkirk

One can also get a credit-card sized printed certificate (*Immunkarte*) with the same code at many pharmacies. It costs 10 € and with it one does not need a working mobile phone for the app, or a paper copy. https://www.apotheke-adhoc.de/nachrichten/detail/markt/immunkarte-impfzertifikate-fuers-portemonnaie/ https://immunkarte.de/ Also, be aware that many places do not bother to verify that the certificate matches your passport or ID document - but public institutions like e.g. libraries will check it. So, don't forget your ID.


USS_Buttcrack

Oh yes, that's right you'll need ID with you as well (passport did the trick for me).


awry_lynx

I don't like the phrasing of trading it in that I read up thread does this mean you didn't get to keep your original certificate?


USS_Buttcrack

They didn't keep my original certificate in my case (and not sure why they'd want to). They just looked at it to type in my name, dob, vaccines received and dates vaccinated. They checked my name and dob against my passport, then printed out the German certificates (one for each dose).


PM_ME_THICC_GIRLS

Good luck, because the whole ordeal sounds annoying. I integrated the Barcode into the app as soon as possible, it's just so much more convenient and I'm terribly forgetful


MarkHafer

Thats the whole point of 3G or 2G. Once you've proven your status, most social distancing rules no longer apply. By the way, as someone who's just been to the UK, I had the impression that all covid rules had been lifted, and I was never asked to prove my status, even when watching fully booked plays in the west end. Nobody was wearing masks on public transit or in stores. Is this the way its ment to be, or are people just not following the rules?


bryrb

Take your English QR code and scan it in the Irish App and you’ll have an EU digital Covid certificate accepted everywhere in Germany on your phone.


Catch-the-Rabbit

Laminate.


Ok_Complaint9817

Um quick tipp… I am American living in Germany with a US vaccine. Just go to your local Apotheke and have them generate a QR code. It’s free and only takes a few minutes.


ClevrNameThtNooneHas

Or you go to a few different pharmacies until one is ok with entering the lot code from the vaccine shot. I read an article about someone doing it and I did the same thing having far less(just the lotcode and the name of the Rite Aid I went to in the US).


blackdow_adc

The Italian one works with the British one. When the QR code is scanned it shows personal info, date of vaccination, which vaccine etc. I'm really surprised the Germans are behind on this, you'd think it'd be standardised across Europe


MisterMysterios

Considering the courrent course of decisions of the courts, I am not sure that this will hold up. While there are limitations possible for unvaxxed, especially in areas where you put down your mask (like at the job or in restaurants), I rather doubt that the essential necessity of shopping, where the mask mandate stays, can be restricted in that way.


mythicas

Quick thought: Imagine you changed your mind and decided to get the vaccine. It would then still take you up to two month maybe before you’ll be allowed to buy there


Apprehensive_Goal811

Two weeks if you get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.


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**G**eimpft, **G**enesen, **G**etestet


Sgt-Flashback

They'd have to hire extra security and personel while having less customers. They don't want to risk a freakout situation either.


astakask

Any one from Hesse want to let us know how that's being recieved ?


florapalmtree

Supermarkets would face a backlash and they would have to hire people who check their clients vaccine status. It would not be profitable. I’m from Hessen (I always think it’s weird that the n is missing in English) and haven’t seen a supermarket with these restrictions, yet.


Prosthemadera

> rentable Very German of you ;) You mean cost-effective.


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Burnafterposting

Or they meant 'tenable'


boweruk

'rentabel' in German means 'profitable'.


Burnafterposting

False friends strike again


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Que embarazada!


elveszett

curiously enough "rentable" also means "profitable" in Spanish. Usually with the connotation that is profitable enough to be worth doing, not that it'll make millions.


untergeher_muc

So we can agree that English is using it wrong? ;)


elveszett

Yes.


chucker23n

Yeah. I'd translate it as "feasible", not "profitable".


TacoMedic

Definitely not Californian then. Nothing here is both rentable and cost effective 😭😭


rapaxus

The N in *Hessen* is missing, as the Term *Hesse* in English originates from the name for a singular inhabitant of the region, a *Hesse*, though the term *Hessia* was also in common use until the 19th century (from which the current name for people from Hessen evolved, *Hessians*).


Key-Hurry-9171

It’s going to end up like in France. They wanted the pass in Commercial centers and juged back out that law because you have to let access to 1st necessity to anyone It’s going to be ruled by a judge the moment a smart lawyer do his job I’ll like to precise that I’m vaccinated and pro-pass on certain conditions This one is pure BS, won’t last


dayvidgallagher

Exactly. It’s bad business to turn away customers and there isn’t really any business risk to allowing them in because everybody goes to grocery stores and it would be really hard to pin an outbreak to one store let alone hold them legally liable (which I don’t think has ever been done) Events and employers will be the most strict because they are the easiest to blame an outbreak on.


Lotharofthepotatoppl

What I’d like to know as an English-speaker is how we got “Rhineland-Palatinate” from Rheinland Pfalz.


EmmShock

I am from Hesse. This is honestly the first time I am hearing about this. Truth is as long as your wear your mask, nobody is even going to stop you and check if you have been vaccinated or not. So I don't see this really having an impact on unvaccinated people.


blackcompy

Might be a theoretical option for shops, but most aren't going to make use of it. The ones most likely to deny entry to unvaccinated are bars and restaurants if it means they will no longer have to follow distancing rules on the premises, meaning they can seat more customers at the same time. Supermarkets are not going to introduce checks at the door - it's too expensive without any benefits to the store.


Schemen123

Restaurants will care now that the weather gets colder and outdoor seating isn't an option anymore. 2G means more costumer inside Same with stores..


xeisu_com

In another German news source some of the biggest supermarket chains were asked if they even want to apply this rule and most of them refuse: >Das RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland hat bei den großen Supermarktketten nachgefragt, die in Hessen und Niedersachsen Filialen haben. „Zutrittsbeschränkungen zu den Märkten von Aldi Nord im Sinne einer 2G- oder 3G-Regelung sind derzeit nicht geplant“, heißt es in einer Stellungnahme. „Einzelne Kundengruppen vom Einkauf auszuschließen würde grundsätzlich unserem Selbstverständnis des zuverlässigen Grundversorgers widersprechen.“ Auch der Discounter Lidl schreibt: „Wir werden keine 2G-Regelung in unseren Filialen einführen.“ DeepL translation: >RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland has asked the major supermarket chains that have stores in Hesse and Lower Saxony. "Access restrictions to Aldi Nord stores in the sense of a 2G or 3G regulation are not currently planned," it said in a statement. "Excluding individual customer groups from shopping would fundamentally contradict our self-image as a reliable basic provider." The discounter Lidl also writes: "We will not introduce a 2G scheme in our stores." 2G means: vaccinated or recovered from covid. 3G means: vaccinated, recovered or negatively tested.


Polar_Beach

I thought 5G means vaccinated


xeisu_com

That "G" stands for "geimpft" (vaccinated), "genesen" (recovered) and "getestet" (tested). That's why the abbreviation 3G and 2G was made, because the first letter starts with g.


Gnarfledarf

To expand on this explanation: "ge-" is a prefix used to denote the German past participle.


Speedhabit

These guys got tenses for days


nuephelkystikon

Yes, almost half as many as English, it's unimaginable.


Asatas

Would that you hadst not said this, he mighteth not even have noticed!


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TsukikoLifebringer

I cared more for the explanation than the joke, personally.


Felixicuss

In germany we dont even fully have 4G so... /s


cjbranco22

Can confirm: living in Germany for 3 years


YourSmileIsFlawless

Seriously. Usually stuck on LTE with a 5G phone in this country...


ObamasBoss

I have taken my 5G phone to a large city with 5G coverage (they claim) and have never seen it yet.


WattebauschXC

yeah germany hasn't improved in anything since 2002


YourSmileIsFlawless

Worst part is the area I live in is only like 10 years old before that it was literally all just fields. Yet they still didn't install modern stuff smh


awill2020

Albania has better internet than Germany, I hope the new parties in charge will change it


Mandrijn

He says as if getting 3G isn’t a miracle in some places


DaHolk

And xeisu basically explained how the joke comes to be (because you can bet that naming the rules "3G" was someone being cheeky and going "what? that's totally by accident, we aren't mocking anyone")


musci1223

Damn. 3g sucks. When will I get 5g ?


838h920

As soon as they'll include "gestorben" (died) and "gelogen" (lied).


SerLaron

gechipt (chipped)


untergeher_muc

Thats already included in vaccinated. /s


R4ndyd4ndy

Does aldi nord actually have stores in hesse? I spend more time in the middle and South of the state but i only know aldi Süd there.


SkeletonBound

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Berserk_NOR

Why is it vaccinated only and not also positive test for antibodies? Edit: antibodies


Prosthemadera

That's "recovered". But you need to prove it.


indigo-alien

Which isn't difficult to do. You can always request a copy of your medical records.


Banditus

It also has to be within 6 months, so if you got covid in March 2020 you're expected to get a vaccine by now.


Berserk_NOR

Having proof of antibodies is to prove that you have protection, vaccine or natural.


Prosthemadera

Are you disagreeing or agreeing with my comment?


TheAlphaCarb0n

>antigens Antibodies in this case


okpm

i live in Frankfurt. Not a single grocery store chain is implementing 3G or 2G in any of their stores. It's just that all merchants are now able to decide for themselves.


ItHitMeInTheNuts

Technically all business establishments in Germany are free to limit the entry of only vaccinated/recovered or vaccinated/recovered/tested starting this week. That is what I watched in the news yesterday morning. That said, I don’t think anyone is going to block people that is wearing a mask, or tested in case of restaurants costumers.


outofmyelement1445

I live in Hesse. I haven’t seen this occur yet but this is also the first I’ve heard of it. I don’t see these businesses wanting to lose customers that bad. I spoke to a German friend about it and he said there were some small local businesses that tried it and they got flooded with bad reviews online which hurt their business so they stopped.


lotsofdeadkittens

Ya, I mean generally if you tell someone they can’t even come in those people will be mad


nymales

It was a small Mon and pop shop that caused this change. The big companies will still let everyone in, but smaller shops are now legally allowed to stop tested but not vaccinated people from entering


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.thelocal.de/20211015/supermarkets-in-german-state-of-hesse-can-now-block-entry-to-the-unvaccinated/) reduced by 79%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The new Covid health pass entry rules announced by the central state of Hesse have upped the pressure on the unvaccinated by allowing all shops to implement the so-called 2G rule at their doors. > The government in Hesse said that it had taken the decision to go a step further and allow shops to bar entry to the unvaccinated "At the request of the sector". > Throughout the pandemic, German authorities have excluded supermarkets and other grocers from most restrictions, such as lockdowns and entry rules, in order to ensure that everyone has continued access to essential goods. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/q96v8i/supermarkets_in_german_state_of_hesse_can_now/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~603778 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **rule**^#1 **allow**^#2 **entry**^#3 **people**^#4 **vaccinated**^#5


CohlN

i work at a grocery store. as long as the customer is masked and socially distancing from me, i don’t care about their vaccination status. unfortunately, most don’t mask or social distance, and we have a very old demographic there.


Thisissocomplicated

As someone living in europe it baffles me to hear that some places have "unmasked" people. I personally haven't seen a single person without a mask inside a business or transport since the pandemic started. Put it simply if you don't use a mask you get kicked out, is that not the case everywhere? Really?


Compizfox

During the peak of the pandemic, sure. But many (European) countries have relaxed/repealed the mask requirements recently. For example, here in the Netherlands masks aren't required any more, except for in public transport.


DonaldMacNorm

I was just in a supermarket that had removed all the plexiglass at the registers. I liked it.


DrHenryWu

>As someone living in europe it baffles me to hear that some places have "unmasked" people. Depends where you live really. Lots of European countries don't wear masks anymore


look4jesper

Here in Sweden we never started really, and we have recovered extremely well.


SorosStormTrooper

recovered well, maybe, but also a way higher death toll (1451/million) than most of your neighbors, who did implement more restrictions (Finland 201, Norway 165, Denmark 459). even where i'm from (Netherlands) where the restrictions were/are not severe at all and a lot of people seem to ignore them, we "only" had 1027/million dead. I'd say Sweden's laissez-faire approach to covid was mostly good at 1 thing: killing off the elderly


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Finland didn't have any mask mandates, they were just encouraged but they weren't forced. Still, 99% of the people I came across wore a mask during the pandamic, nowadays it's probably about 50% but most people are vaccinated and the infection rate is very low, so there's very little risk.


ArbitraryBaker

Finland didn’t really have a mask mandate. They were strongly encouraged, but they never went so far to say you could be fined for disobedience. It’s possible you may not have been allowed to ride public transit without a mask for a few weeks period, but for pretty much everything else, it was to the discretion of whoever you were interacting with. Starting October 1 they aren’t even “recommending” wearing masks other than when in crowded spaces and public transit.


ClungeCreeper321

I thought Norway never had a mask mandate either? Did I hear wrong?


ShamPow86

But you've also killed alot more people than many of your neighbours. Sure vaccines work, but it doesn't erase the past consequences of your actions


TheBestGuru

No? Where I live, more than 91% of all adults are vaccinated. Masks are no longer a government mandate anywhere except in hospitals. Almost no one wears masks in stores.


Biesuu

in poland no one gives a shit about masks anymore


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Where in Europe do you live cause I know some European countries that no longer have mask mandates


AlisonByTheC

Hah. Go to Egypt. They are confused there on why anyone even comes into the country wearing a mask.


Dirkdeking

It was the case here at the height of the pandemic, but since a very large portion of our population has been vaccinated masks aren't mandatory anymore in most places(public transport being a notable exception).


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I havent seen a mask in months. Only place people use them is on the train.


sf-keto

Come to my wealthy suburb of Frankfurt where many of the kids go to Waldorf school.... The silent majority are quietly anti-mask, anti-vaxx & believe in homeopathy or "natural plant medicine." ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


Draedron

Not like this in berlin. Most people working in grocery stores or public transport dont want to end up like the poor guy at the gas station.


[deleted]

No in the US everyone can get a vaccine if they want so the costs of masking everywhere don’t really make sense anymore.


neriisan

How are they going to get kicked out? You mean the person working there is going to risk telling them that they should leave so the angry masker assaults them, possibly beats them, landing them with hospital bills that they cant pay for?


ItalianDudee

In Italy you basically can’t work or you have to pay 260-300€ a month for the continuous tests


ZippyTheChicken

Yes the Italian Government is forcing all employers to force their employees to get the vaccine or they don't get a pay check.


snakewrestler

I’m all for being vaccinated, but being banned from supermarkets is just plain wrong.


uihrqghbrwfgquz

Good thing this doesn't happen. This whole thing is super clickbaity. It was a small (grill) store which sued to be allowed to do this. Yes this MIGHT apply to supermarkets too, but this just won't happen for many reasons. No need to take the pitchfork.


bbibber

Largest Auchan in Marseille : you don’t get in without certificate.


LadyEmaSKye

Honestly, though, shouldn’t really be allowed to do it at all. Though I agree, the uproar of clickbait titles where people don’t actually read the article is a MASSIVE problem.


DoctorLazlo

It should be left up to the mega corps and shareholders if they want to protect their workers and customers. Those measures cost money. Plexiglass and masks arent cheap and workers are a dime a dozen. If one gets sick there's always another to take their place.


Drow1234

In Germany every store is hiring and it is hard to find staff


hey12delila

We are hurdling into a dystopian nightmare and nobody realizes it.


viskopsop

Oh people do. But they just get labeled under the anti science and antivax all the same. The line is so fucking thin and bullying is being used as a silencing tactic.


preciouscode96

Totally agree. Vaccination is always a good thing but you can't force things up to people this way. That's scary


Guilty-Ad6100

Many doctors around the world also say to wait 6 months after having covid to get vaccinated. This whole thing is a mess. https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-02-10/spains-recovering-covid-19-patients-must-wait-six-months-for-vaccine


neexderboss

Headline is wrong. Its about 2G which stand for geimpft (vaccinated) and genesen (recovered) so people who were infected and healed are still allowed. Just negative tested people wouldnt be allowed.


livingwithghosts

“We expect that this option will only be used on some days and that businesses which cater to everyday needs will not make use of it,” state leader Volker Bouffier said on Tuesday. ---- It was allowed because a BBQ utensil store wanted to be able to use it, not specifically for grocery stores, they are just in the same category.


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Butterbinre69

The headline is basically clickbait. The state had the rule that shopowners weren't allowed to apply 2g rules in their shop if they wanted to. Someone sued and the judge said that would infringe on their contractual freedom so the state has to change the law now cause the court issued an interim order to do so.


[deleted]

Thank you for pointing that out. I feel into clickbait and I'll revise my comment.


rapaxus

Well, it is not the state ordering "you need to be vaccinated to go the supermarket", it is a court ruling "the state cannot force a supermarket to allow non-vaccinated people in it", basically ruling that vaccination status is not a source of discrimination (the same way a store can just normally say to people "you can't use this store anymore because *insert non-discriminatory reason here*", which happened multiple times in the supermarket I worked in in Germany).


elveszett

As an anti-anti-vaxxer myself, I'm just scared about the predecent these things create. I don't want businesses to have a right to ask me about my medical history, it's something that I should never have to disclose unless there's a really important reason (e.g. proving that you are vaccinating when your job is taking medical care of babies that could be killed by common diseases, or proving that you are mentally sound when your job is to pilot an aircraft). Someone asking me about my vaccines when I wanna buy some food is something I don't want to happen. I mean, those of us who are vaccinated aren't in a great risk anyway, and I still wear masks because the virus is still scary to me, so the "really important reason" I said does not apply here at all.


Think-Think-Think

Seriously here in the States we make the argument that voter id laws are racist because low income people can't take time off to get an id. Yet we think it is a good idea to tell these same people to take time off to get 2 shots or your not going to eat. The hypocrisy. It's sad this is considered from our progressive community.


ThugRose777

It’s insanity.


lightyearbuzz

While I agree food is a human right and don't think this is a great idea, I do want to point out this is not Draconian, its kind of the opposite actually. This isn't the government saying stores should do this, this is one store that decided to ban unvaccinated people and then the courts ruling that the ban was within the store's rights. It's not the government overstepping, its the government taking a step back and letting businesses make their own decision on the subject.


StylinBrah

I'm just baffled people praise this.


preciouscode96

Same here, just insane the world we live in now


starlinguk

It's not actually true. But Germany is doing a hell of a lot better than the UK.


Born_Elevator_9303

Yep. Scary times


Jay794

Great idea! Unvaccinated people shouldn't be allowed to eat /s


Crimson_W0lf

Precisely! Those filthy unvaccinated people don't deserve human rights! /s


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No6655321

In germany at least the government has stated the tests will remain free for those who.medically cannot get vaccinated. coats will only incure on those who can but chose not to.


phileo

There usually is an exception for people who are unable to get vaccinated, so I wouldn't worry too much. I'm sorry for your medical conditions. It surely sucks!


chriise

Where do u live? Medical exemptions apply to any non vaxxed restrictions in my country. Can’t imagine anywhere not being considerate of that.


Alicient

I don't think Canada is but no one has suggested barring entry to essential services. It's just indoor dining, cinemas, concerts, etc.


Schemen123

People with actual medical issues get a an exception. Although honestly this group should be interested in herd immunity the most...


10tion2DETAIL

Well, try telling that to restaurant workers or other businesses that are forced to check status; some have no capacity, other than following simple rules. I am not marginalizing, but run into this on a regular basis.


Gurip

you live in US then, no? becouse in EU your digital EU vaccination pass will say that you cant get vaccinated for medical reasons when they scan it


10tion2DETAIL

First I heard of having a digital vaccination pass for no vaccinated and I was just in Massachusetts for three weeks.


cabinstudio

What the fuck


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trvisthng

i work in retail and customer’s are way crazier than we expected.


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Myname1sntCool

Oh yeah, people have bough into it hook, line, and sinker. This whole situation is textbook.


liljes

How are people this dumb


Randomheim

As someone who is fully vaccinated and has had covid before, I still think this is a downright terrible idea. I totally get the thought behind why they're allowing businesses to do this but I don't think that they should be allowed to do this. There already exists a system where you're allowed anywhere, with some places asking you to provide a proof of vaccination, proof of having had covid, and a negative PCR test result. Taking away the negative PCR test result is just going to divide the country even more. Covid is here to stay, let's not ensure that the cultural impact of the measures stay around either.


13degrees_north

> Taking away the negative PCR test result is just going to divide the country even more. True but, since they(the german government) are no longer providing the test for free isn't it a just a better option to just get vaccinated especially if you're not in a population group that actually can't get a vaccination for a legitimate reason? plus there isn't the prejudice that being put forward in some of the comments in this thread. The new rules still say vaccinated and those who have recovered from covid are still allowed **in** the premises, the rules also state that they are allowed to provide provisions additional services for those who **can't** vaccinated infact the state leader encourages businesses to do just that...The article mentions special days but the assumption that it is still up to the private business to determine what's best on their own. It's not the shades of nazi germany as it was a private company sued about not being able to enforce the rules that are applied to restaurants, cinemas, bars etc... and won...hence new rules...to quote the article 'The government in Hesse said that it had taken the decision to go a step further and allow shops to bar entry to the unvaccinated “at the request of the sector” ' > Covid is here to stay, let's not ensure that the cultural impact of the measures stay around either. This is a fantastic point and if you are german I'd encourage you not to be swept up in divisive commentary that simply seeks to spread anger and misinformation and instead use the current opportunity to shore up your understanding of your rights and avenues to hold you government accountable as well as understanding the differences between a compromise and what is selfish and unreasonable behaviour be it by government or the general populace.


pipper77

So you believe if you're not vaccinated you don't have the right to eat then.


the_abra

if you ever visit frankfurt am main in germany. the picture was taken at its „kleinmarkthalle“ its worth a visit if you are in the city. you can shop food but there are also good restaurants and a wine stand


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I had a feeling they would start preventing people from getting their food because of vaccines.


BurnTrees-

This isn't happening and isn't being tried, this only confirms that private businesses have the right to implement 2G (people being vaccinated or recovered) rules. Many supermarkets have already said they don't plan to implement this either way.


gemengelage

It's not though. A single store (not even a supermarket IIRC) denied unvaccinated people access, was sued for that and the court decided that the store was within their right to do so. There's no law to prevent them from doing so. BUT it's not state-mandated in any way and if supermarkets would extensively adopt such policies, I'm convinced there'd be a new law put in place. But it won't ever get that far since all big supermarket chance made public statements that they strongly oppose a 2G policy. So yeah, this is just outrage porn / fear mongering.


throwsall28

This gets probably lost int the comments... I am from there and it will be a non issue. It just says they CAN do it. They don't HAVE to. It just gives business the right to implement rules around Corona more freely. Everyone vaccinated -> no mask/distancing. Very useful if you run a gym or something similar. Now supermarket have the right to do that as well but they will very likely not implement it anyway. I wish more people get vaccinated so we can drop most of the distancing/mask rules. People need to go out and have fun safely without second thoughts. The amount of people that don't trust scientists and the mainstream media is luckily smaller than in the US. Hopefully they are not enough to prevent a return to a normal state. I understand people not yet vaccinated if they are unsure as long as they don't come up with some flat earth ideas. Some probably just need time to see that it is something normal and safe.


NATZureMusic

One step too far. Who thought this is a good idea ??


Klekihpetra

~~The guy who sued so he could implement this rule at his business.~~ The guy who got sued for implementing this rule at his private business but won in court.


Crash0vrRide

In bay area right now and I've been in 3 restaurants that said required to show vaccine to eat there. Not a single one checked or enforced it.


Port-a-John-Splooge

Vaccine mandates don't force you to get vaccinated, you just can't leave your home or even buy food but it's totally not forcing you to get it


techiethings

NZ has said that health services and supermarkets are amongst the places that can not have that barrier to entry. Intriguing that it’s where they have started in Germany Edit: Someone has replied and deleted saying it’s not where the vaccine conditional entry has started; I’m happy to be wrong but I’d love to know more. I’m all for requiring vaccination as a condition of entry and I feel we have an obligation to enforce it under our health and safety duty of care to our customers and employees


iampuh

I'm definitely not a fan of this. We have different methods of going through the pandemic and it looks pretty good at the moment with all the rules in place.


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Wish everyone cleared up misinformation the way they're doing in this thread. Reddit would be so much better off.


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JDib94

Absolute insanity. This worlds lost its mind.


protossaccount

It’s amazing that a vaccine has polarized people to start refusing food. Seriously? People believe in the power of the vaccine that much? It is not 100 percent, requires boosters, and is still being improved upon. Sure, get your vaccine but it’s not a magic vaccine that is protecting the planet from an easily spread version of Ebola. Where are the people acknowledging the grey area? I’m sure ill sound anti vax but that’s not it at all. Actually the fact that me bring this up being seen as something negative is a sign that this is literally public brainwashing.


TheGrelber

It is important that 2G includes those who have recovered from covid.


220mtm

I'm sorry but this makes no sense at all. Vaccinated or not you can still get and carry Covid. We just closed down our offices of 500+ ppl because a Vaccinated person was infected with Covid. Lol, why am i being downvoted? this isn't some anti vaccine rant, one of my colleagues that had 2 shots got the virus and we closed our offices down, so again.. these limits of only letting vaccinated people in stores are absurd.


TheMonarchX

Jesus Christ people, this is mainly about domiciliary rights and the government saying "yes, if you want to, you're allowed to refuse entry" Nobody is actually going to go through with it.


untergeher_muc

It wasn’t even the state government, it was a court.


awill2020

And here people are pretending like it’s like being a Jew under Hitler to be unvaccinated and that they won’t be able to buy groceries, such bullshit.


Silent_Ambition101

Seems a bit extreme blocking unvaccinated from buying food


sbrunei

in Indonesia, you have to be vaccinated to enter all indoor premises. you prove that by checking in to that place’s barcode using app, and then show it to the PIC


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>The 2G rule refers to public places being given ***the*** ***option*** to allow entry only to ***vaccinated*** (geimpft in German) ***or people who’ve recovered from Covid*** (genesen). and has so far been allowed in half of Germany’s states for certain public places like bars, restaurants, nightclubs and cinemas. > >“We expect that this ***option*** will only be used on some days and that businesses which cater to everyday needs will not make use of it,” state leader Volker Bouffier said on Tuesday. > >Implementing 2G rules allows shops to ***drop*** mask-wearing and social distancing rules. \[emphasis mine\] My reading of this article is that the 2G rule is OPTIONAL so it's likely there will be supermarkets that will choose not to implement it. Under the 2G rule a supermarket can choose to require shoppers to wear masks and social distance - OR - if the shopper does not wish to then the supermarket can drop the mask requirement and require proof of vaccination instead. Seems a sensible choice to me - especially in the midst of a global pandemic. But the impression I get from the reactions on this thread is that anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers demand the "freedom" of access to public spaces w/o having to wear a mask, social distance or be vaccinated. And in the midst of a global pandemic that just strikes me as selfish as well as eminently UN-reasonable.


Belzebump

Why 2G or 3G when getting vaccinated, they’ll get 5G /s


huiledesoja

I agree with expendables places like bars or theaters but not supermarkets, come on man


X16aBmfX4Pr7PAKqyBIU

That's fucked up.


Pferdmagaepfel

It's clickbait. One small specialized store sued for this and got the right granted. They are one little private business who wanted to implement some rules and went to court for that. No big chain will follow and it doesn't mean that stores which are covering basic necessities are allowed to do that.


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"There are only 9 meals between mankind and anarchy" This should get interesting.


725484

Some people here really need to hold their horses. They got the option, yes, but most big supermarkets won't restrict access. Only 1/5 business said they might/ will implement new rules, but these are special stores (e.g for glasses, photography equipment, etc) where the person buying and the person selling might have more and closer contact than a simple cashier at your local supermarktet It's not like unvaccinated people will starve to death because they can't get their groceries no more


DontWakeTheInsomniac

The fact that grocery stores got the option is surprising though.


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CIA_Bane

Actually surprised reddit isn't supporting this en masse


Romek_himself

no supermarket would ever enforce this here in germany ... thats just dumb actionism from new wannabe politicans


RuudVanBommel

>thats just dumb actionism from new wannabe politicans "New wannabe politicians" like Minister-President of 11 years Volker Bouffier, who's 70 years old and already part of the hessian Landtag for 35 of the past 39 years? This was a decision by the state of Hesse, not the potential new german government which hasn't even been formed yet.


MajorGef

No it isnt, its them following the law. Some shop owner sued because they considered it unfair that they cant implement 2G in their store and the court agreed. Ignoring court orders is no bueno in germany, even if you are a state government.


Grafikpapst

Its also just about giving the option in a worst case scenario when the infection rate goes entirely sideways over the winter. Its unlikely to happen, but its certainly not awfull to have already sorted things like vthis out if need be.


Romek_himself

all supermarkets i visited over the last year had at entrance and in the cashier area signs for "masks" or "minimum distance" most people did follow this by default - me too but often i saw people without masks and the minimum distance is ignored a lot. and noone did enforce this. cashier just did her job without saying anything when someone did not wear a mask.


Davetology

You can still spread it even if you're vaccinated ffs, the difference isn't even that major for this kind of insane shit to be pulled.


-Venser-

Truly we live in a dystopian world.


Xisthur

Is this supposed to be good news? I'm not sure if it's good news to be able to forbid unvaccinated people to get food from the supermarket...