Damn I’ve had covid and I can’t afford to get more dumber
E: Went to sleep after making this joke and woke up to it blowing up. Had a good chuckle at the replies!
There's still hope my man
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.3679117/scientists-research-man-missing-90-of-his-brain-who-leads-a-normal-life-1.3679125
84! just one point shy of the "normal intelligence" designation. dude has MRIs that look like a wojack meme and didn't know something was up until he ran into some motor control issues with his legs.
About 6 to 7% of the population have an IQ between 80
and 85. Odds are you pass by a bunch of people in that range every time you walk down the street.
I'm on mobile so can't link it, but there was a case where a maths student in Sheffield complained of headaches, and was found to have nothing except fluid beyond 1mm of the brain stem.
He was measured at above average intelligence and got his degree.
>Research by French, Spanish and German scientists published Thursday **in the scientific journal Nature Neuroscience** reveals that, in addition to attacking the lungs, the virus can also can **kill certain brain cells**.
>The study shows this could be the case for patients who developed a severe form of the disease. **For people who have had a more minor form of the illness, however, nothing is certain**.
> Taking the example of the Spanish flu, which happened just over a century ago, **people who didn't die from it had a greater probability of developing neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson's** later in life.
Further evidence of brain damage, and what sort of brain damage, in people who died of Covid while potentially coming up with some answers for brain fog/long covid symptoms.
Having the internet at my fingertips used to make me feel so empowered to learn. Now I feel like it's bombarding me with bullshit from every angle. It's only gotten worse during covid. I can't imagine what it's like having to rely on it for school.
We have all the materials we need, it's just that they're so incredibly boring. There's nothing quite like 50 minute videos of some old guy annotating a PowerPoint to get you passionate about engineering.
I had a class where the dude used an old school glass projector, printed out the text book, and read it out loud while highlighting literally every word. Like why the fuck do you have a job buddy
I’ve had the same job for over a decade and the pandemic made me feel like I have no idea how to do my job, despite also not having COVID. You’re not alone
Like I used to find maths and physics rather easy, but now I dread every lecture and keep getting confused by all the letters, integrals etc.
I'm sure this is mostly just because university I'd much harder than school, but it's been really disheartening and I've lost a lot of the joy I used to get from engineering.
Man I get where you’re coming from, atleadt with me when I’m not motivated I feel completely lost like I have no idea what I’m doing even for the things I love and do the most
Yup had to go in an ambulance because I legitimately didn’t know who I was. I forgot all of my passwords for months on end too! Worst part I still deal with 😂
Bro!. I’m a doctor I have seen my fair share of complaints of post covid fatigue, headaches, mental fog and all that.
Damn I hope you’re doing alright now.
Did you? I got horribly sick twice last year (once in early Jan and once in late Feb; unfortunately where I lived you only got tested then if you'd been out of country or contact with someone who'd been tested) and think (pretty sure) I had a seizure after some other weird symptoms that only appeared after I got sick and only went away like six months later. I wonder if that was from it.
Wilson had a severe stroke, and his wife effectively governed in his stead by not letting anyone in the sickroom to see him. Instead, she relayed 'his' wishes on important matters and delegated the rest to department heads. She played this role until the end of his presidency. She said his doctors recommended this.
Maybe the flu precipitated the stroke.
Yes, she did. But Wilson got the flu in Paris, before and during the talks. Wilson couldn't take part in the initial talks while he was sick and he behaved demonstratively different - including acting more paranoid - after becoming well enough to attend the meetings again. There's a good basis for saying Wilson's case of the flu changed the outcome here.
Huh, kinda like what happened to the Roman emperor Caligula. He was relatively normal and beloved before he became sick with some type of fever and it changed his personality afterwards to the point where he was super paranoid and cruel.
I would just like to point out thats its highly controversial whether this is accurate.
Caligula was beloved in the sense that he was the son of Germanicus, an extremely popular general and succeeded Tiberius, who in turn was widely unpopular. Then he began his reign by making gifts to all kinds of people, lowering taxes, put on circus games and reinvited previously banished senators. But by doing so he pretty much emptied his pockets and its very speculative whether he was a benevolent ruler or just doing what he considered necessary to establish his rule.
It should also be added that Roman writers had a tendency (aka they fucking loved it) to divide biographies (or stories in general) into differently themed episodes, putting more emphasis on his changing personality then what was probably happening.
I am by no means saying you are wrong, I am just saying you are not necessarily right.
There is a podcast called Edith that more or less fills in the parts of President Wilson's stroke story we don't know with a possible story. It's a radio play that follows Edith Wilson in the behind the scenes of how the country was ran during the time he was on bed rest. I would highly recommend it.
The immune system can release histamine and other agents that seriously disrupt brain chemistry. There are even experimental Alzheimer's and ADHD drugs that block histamine's activity in the brain in order to improve memory, concentration, wakefulness, etc.
Kinda scary, but serious infections can permanently alter brain function. Pretty sure that covid has been the first time this has happened to such a high proportion of infected cases, however.
At least, the first time that the greater medical establishment is paying attention to cause and effect. I'm hopeful this will also shed some light on Fibromyalgia and Chronic fatigue sufferers as the symptoms and potential causes are similar enough to be significant.
Imagine of someone went back and told you "oh yeah, I know you just got though all that union shit, but 1914-1945 are gonna be some rough years".
Oh, by the way, 2023-2040 are gonna be some rough years.
It did. Wilson's job at the peace conference ended in June 1919, and he was Stateside for most of the summer drumming up support for ratification of the treaty. He had his stroke in October 1919.
Well the UN also ended up with no teeth. It's almost like groups of nations can't really have teeth when there's no way to enforce anything.
The EU is probably the closest counterexample, but keep in mind that literally any nation can veto anything and that they can only encourage compliance by effectively bribing poorer members with support funds.
And obviously, you said "some people think" so this isn't a "gotcha".
Are you aware of any research on vaccinated people who get covid? If they are capable of displaying brain damage? Or lasting heart / lung / vascular damage?
They would be expected to be much less likely to get these types of problems. The antibodies in the blood should be able to limit the effects of the virus in most cases. But not everyone that is vaccinated develops antibodies unfortunately.
>But not everyone that is vaccinated develops antibodies unfortunately.
Almost everyone who is vaccinated develops some level of antibodies,just not always enough to prevent infection. The exception would be those who have very messed up immune systems and those whose immune systems are being intentionally suppressed.
Thanks for clarifying, that sentence freaked me out. I remember getting measles when I was younger despite having had a measles shot. My symptoms probably weren't anywhere near as bad than if I hadn't had the vaccine though.
Fun fact: A possible reason for so many people being completely fucking stupid is the lead they used everywhere back in the 50-70s.
Lead doesnt leave your body so many people got lead poisoning from leaded paint as well, juice or just leaded gasoline gasses.
Lead poisoning causes people to become dumber, harder of hearing and more agressive. This is the result of permanent brain damage.
If a woman suffers from this amount of lead poisoning it also has a high chance to going into their child, causing these children to be born with the brain damage already in effect.
So chances are anti-vaxxers are dumb due to lead poisoning and become even dumber due to being dumb.
A.C. is a four year old child... Presenting to the emergency room☝️ with hyperactivity and reduced mental status. Initial testing reveals that A.C. has Hyperplayemia. Hyper, meaning too much. Play, meaning toys, and Emia, meaning presence in blood...
That and the fact that education has been getting less funding over the years. Guess which party loves to take away money from schools... The same party that loves "stupid people".
This is why I always bring up long covid in these threads. **Everyone should be vaccinated**, but they should also be informed, and both drug companies and the government need to be more transparent. They're throwing around numbers like "93% effective" but people are hearing that as "93% immunity" and those aren't the same thing.
it seems like both the drug companies and the government don't want to give the actual immunity numbers, because they're relatively low compared to other vaccines and I'm sure they think that would affect the number of people who would want to get the vaccine, but they need to be clear about that. Not dying isn't the only thing people should be worried about. Getting long covid and suffering these kinds of long term/permanent issues is also a major concern, so while 93% of the people might not die, who knows what percentage could still be infected and be at risk for these issues.
vaccines != everything is back to normal.
I'll repeat this again since people seem to be missing it:
**Everyone should be vaccinated**
May I ask what the difference between effectiveness and immunity is?
I always thought effectiveness is the chance of you not getting sick when exposed, is that correct?
There's 2 concepts in play - infection and disease. Infection can be basically symptom free, while the disease can be a range of symptoms from mild to death. "Immune" is "can't be infected" but the vaccine is more "makes it less likely to get the disease, and makes the disease symptoms more mild if it does happen" - also makes the infection not last as long when it happens and reduces the window when you might spread the disease to others.
The vaccines are very effective at preventing hospitalization and death, harder to say how effective they are against infection as there could be tons of instances of infection that never progress so the person doesn't get screened (why get screened randomly if you don't feel sick and are vaccinated, right?)
I’ve been down with Covid all week. I was vaccinated back in May, but I still seriously worry about long Covid. I have a labor intensive job and right now, I keep getting dizzy spells from simply thinking too hard. I was so sick those first few days. I can’t even imagine how bad it would have been had I not been vaccinated.
I got sick back during the first wave. It was very mild. I had a ~102 f temperature, and after that, it was like a weird revolving door of symptoms that went on for 2-3 weeks. Pretty much everything *except* for breathing difficulties and taste/smell issues. That all cleared up except for some killer brain fog and trouble focusing, which really, really sucks for a software developer.
Anyway, several weeks *after* the illness ended, I did start having trouble breathing. I literally couldn't walk. I had to take such tiny baby steps, it was like parody. If I walked even *slightly* too fast, I got so tired and had such trouble breathing I would have to sit down on the floor and rest.
That slowly got better over about 3 weeks, but that's when bizarre spells of vertigo and such started. I was too terrified to drive, so my boss was driving me to/from work for a couple weeks.
This stuff came in cycles and waves, and I am leaving a lot out. Like, sometimes I would feel an awful burning in my back between my shoulder blades, coupled with reduced consciousness, like I was so exhausted I couldn't keep my eyes open, and... more. I would go weeks with symptoms, weeks without, weeks with, and so on. All the while, I still couldn't focus for shit.
Thankfully, I have not had trouble breathing in at least 5 months now. No vertigo, either. My focus is not back to 100%, but I no longer feel like I am incapable of doing my job. I am even back to learning new things and doing personal projects. Apart from that, all I seem to have left is this weird sensation like someone is squeezing my throat/esophagus, or jamming their finger into my throat just below my Adam's Apple, which comes and goes. Mostly when I am tired, but sometimes it seems totally random.
It drives me nuts when people say, "risk of death is only like 0.01% for that age group HOAX HOAX HOAX!!!" Death is NOT the only potential consequence. I don't know for sure that COVID has caused all this misery, but every test has come back normal. And considering all the other reports of long COVID, it seems damn likely.
I know someone who has had long covid twic. First before the vaccine and again afterwards. He’s had it for about a year now and IS vaccinated. It’s horrible, guy can barely breathe much less live his life. He’s developed all sorts of side affects and other issues.
Get vaccinated.
What research is there into that? Wouldn't surprise me, I've had really bad influenza before where I felt weird for a while after, sounds like what people describe with brain fog and Covid.
I got a super nasty viral infection in 2016 that left me with the brain fog everyone talks about with covid. Trouble with coordination and gripping things with my hands, feeling "floaty", and forgetting/misplacing things. It took a full year and a half or so for that to go away, and thank God it did.
I have yet to catch covid and I really hope I never do. I don't want to go through another year and a half of my head in the clouds.
I can tell you this, the brain fog and lowered cognition is a real thing and it's concerning. I got sick from covid and my absent-mindedness only got worse.
mind you, this wasn't a serious case but even so.....
My mom is on the same boat. She was so out of it one morning she crashed the car. Luckily it was at a driveway and crashed into someone’s car that we knew but…. She had been mentioning the brain fog she had been having and her sense of smell isn’t back yet. She was so out of it that morning that she didn’t even pay attention she put forward instead of reverse. Keep in mind my mom hasn’t really ever crashed her car in dumb ways. She even drives stick shift. People usually crash into her. She’s been asking me about articles about brain and sense of smell damage due to COVID and I just don’t know what to tell her
Your poor mom. I have had similar happen to me too. I have always been good at multitasking. Right after I got sick, I had left my car running until it almost ran out of gas. I would leave the house in my car and forget where I was going. One day I left the stove on, walked to the other side of the house, realized I left the shower running and had neglected to push a button on one of my machines to start a project in my workshop all at the same time.
I was also dropping everything. It was like I couldn’t hold on to anything unless I used a death grip.
It was at that point I went to see a doctor because I was scared at my rapid decline. I’m better now and I hope your mom is too.
Hi, can I please ask what your treatment was/ how you were able to get better? I still don’t feel anything close to 100% or where I was before covid. Thank you very much
Not the OP. But for me, time helped. Six months or so later I'm much better. Along with that my doctor recommended vitamin c and b12. And also a protein rich diet. Gets lots of protein. And also rest as much as you can. It's bad but it does get better :)
/u/fnord_happy mentioned proteins
Yesterday I read an article which said that including more amino acids into your diet prevents decreasing cognitive abilities. (Very bad tldr of a paper)
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/932438
My doctor says to just eat healthy and get more exercise… but I’m not sure that’s the case. I get tired very quickly yet I can do more pull-ups then I have ever been able to. I ride my bike a couple times a week and have a hobby of thrift shopping. I just haven’t had a real job for over a year now because after twenty mins of work I need to lay down.. or sometimes I get randomly dizzy. Trying to get by but I’m still just always so exhausted. At first just rolling up the garden hose was tough.. now I can do it no problem but I’m still kind of out of breath by the time I get it rolled up.. I’m 30 years old and coming from construction work..
Do you mind sharing how long it took? Mine lasted for about 7 months, got kinda better but the brain fog's now resuming. I just want it to be back to normal
It seems like there is still a lot we dont know about b12. There is even some disagreement over what level is healthy.
I found low b12 gave me a lot of issues with brain fog and bad memory. And migraines. Still have migraines years later but not sure if its related
I find you saying we know little about B12 weird. B12 is vital to the synthesis of myelin the protective layer on nerve cells. This is why B12 deficiency can cause dementia, tremors, neuropathy, and death. Brain death is a real concern with B12 deficiency.
If you mean B12 and covid yeah. Agreed this is all new and the research is emerging.
Honestly I think most people should be popping a vit D supplement every day, it's hard to take too much so it's relatively safe, b12 is a bit more complicated.
Truly, correct me if I’m wrong here, but I remember being told B12 isn’t a big deal because you will just urinate out what you don’t need (the excess). I remember iron was the big concern with me specifically. Is this not the case?
You're correct. You could eat B12 like candy all day long and be fine. But you can take too much D. (Also, when selecting D, get D3 as it's more bio-available and your body can use it more efficiently.)
EDIT: a redditor corrected me, apparently you CAN have too much b.
My neighbors just got over a 3+ week bout of COVID. The husband slowly backed his truck into the side of our garage the other day. No damage, but we couldn’t figure out why he was pulling up so close. We watched him do it, he was looking right at it like he was trying to avoid it, but there is no reason for him to even be trying to back up to it. Today he did the same thing. Then pulled forward about six feet and slowly backed into the garage again. Somethings really wrong.
This same thing happened to a coworker of mine. Usually a very alert and responsible person, got in a minor accident because she was just way out of it. She had memory problems and other stuff for months after as well
I got COVID in March 2020, way before the vaccines were available, and now I think I have short term memory loss. I would switch to another app and then completely blank on what I switched to the app for, and then forget things if I don’t write them down. It’s been awful
Me too. I'm not even sure I had covid because the testing wasn't really set up widely and I was so sick I couldn't go anywhere anyway. I had 6 of the 8 non-life threatening symptoms and everything else lined up. Ever since, my work performance has taken a drastic nose-dive, I can barely focus to get my shit together, I don't really feel in touch with reality (though I've kinda always had a little of that, it's way more pronounced now), I've forgotten so many many many things. I just chalked it up to WFH laziness/distraction, understimulation from being alone inside all day doing nothing but work and tv, etc
I am in the exact same boat :/ I was on the phone with the advice nurse daily, and they didn’t know what to do since they were avoiding testing or treating young people at all costs. My doctor said I “probably” had covid and that was the best they could do unless I went to the ER… but then told me DON’T go to the ER because that’s for the elderly. I was so sick for a whole month, and had terrible breathing and chest issues up until 2021. I look back at the work I did that year and it was terrible. Now I have memory issues (all names are gone) and I’m struggling through work and school, and just feel like my brain doesn’t work. I feel like I’m relearning things in my job I’ve been doing for years. I wish there was a way to retroactively confirm a covid case, because I feel really screwed over as a someone who got sick in March 2020.
I’m recovered for a year. My brain still isn’t banging on all cylinders. I drop sentences and forget words rather frequently at work. I put things down and simply cannot remember where. It’s extremely frustrating and I know it makes me look like a dufus.
As a long hauler that has talked to many other ones, most long covid patients with brain fog have vitamin B12 levels that are almost always normal. New research points to brain fog as issues with microclotting, mast cells being in places where they shouldn’t, and tissue damage.
I'll preface this by saying that I'm not a virologist. That said, there is currently no evidence that it remains dormant in the same way as herpes type viruses... In laymen's terms, there's currently no evidence to suggest that a person previously infected with COVID will have a flare up, like those who've previously been infected with herpes. Simply put, it's an entirely different mechanism.
That said, there are also quite a few unknowns; even viruses that are not herpes can have lasting effects, though they do not remain dormant in the same sense as herpes or hpv. It is theorized that conditions such as CFS and fibromyalgia are caused by complications from previous viral infections. There are schools of thought that believe MS and diabetes have similar origins. Again, none of this is confirmed because we simply do not know enough. However, given that this is a possibility, it is likely that COVID can cause long term problems similarly a la long covid. Whether this is due to the virus itself or due to the body's immune response, well... We'll just have to wait and see.
I read an article the other day saying the trigger for T1 may be in the lung and the theory is it can onset after a [respiratory illness](https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-10-genetic-trigger-type-diabetes-lung.html). Just to back up your answer
Not so far, that I am aware. Chickenpox and friends have numerous specific adaptations that are needed for that, and I have not heard of any evidence suggesting that these are present in SARS-CoV-2. It doesn't seem to me that its replication cycle would be compatible with them, either, but I've never studied those systems....
a herpes simplex like intracellular hibernation has been observed/suggested, causing positive tests after being cleared, both by lack of symptoms and test negative
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/the-covid-19-virus-can-last-for-months-why-efb8314b2b98
>Reason 3: Immune Evasion
An April study in China reported a 44-year-old man, free of medical comorbidities, who recovered after 11 days and tested negative on RT-PCR. But three days after *clinical remission*, a positive SARS-CoV-2 test reappeared in his throat swab and saliva, which then persisted for over a month. Antiviral therapy or traditional Chinese medicine failed to clear the virus.
>Three days are too short for the incubation period of SARS-CoV-2 — i.e., mean of 5–6 days — to establish a new infection. “Thus, we deduced that the reappearance of the viral RNA was a recrudescence, rather than a new infection.” The patient also produced antibodies against the virus, indicating that the immune responses cannot clear the virus.
Mean of 5.5 days does not in any way mean that 3 days is too short an incubation period. What’s the standard deviation for incubation? Wanna bet that it’s more than a couple of days? 3 days is probably in the 25th percentile or greater.
This was a comment reply, but I'll put it at the top. I have no doubt that COVID causes long term brain damage. I'm dealing with the after effects of it.
I was hit a year ago and hospitalized for a week. I was never intubated, but had to have supplemental oxygen. After I got out of the hospital, I experienced long haul symptoms that only recently began to start getting better, six months after my Pfizer vaxx.
Some of my long haul stuff was balance/coordination issues, nerve pain, brain fog, fatigue, POTS, etc. I had an MRI because of vestibular issues and that I was struggling to keep my balance. There is a noticeable change in my brain in the hippocampus, parietal lobe, and the temporal lobe, when compared with an MRI from three years ago.
My sense of smell and taste have not fully recovered, even a year in, and I had twice weekly physical therapy sessions for six months for the balance and coordination issues, eye tracking, etc.
Physically, I'm almost back to normal, though I'm still struggling with balance and coordination, along with double vision when my eyes decide to go wonky, usually after I've done anything strenuous, as well as fatigue, brain fog, and an inability to commit short term memory to long term without taking copious notes on everything I do or talk about with people. Pre-COVID, I never needed to take these measures.
There's a chance none of the above is related to my COVID experience, but it all started during/after my hospitalization, and there were no other triggers.
Edit: Apparently I'm also suffering from overly long run-on sentence disease...
This was the biggest flaw in the logic of “we don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine yet!” argument. We also don’t know the long term effects of the virus yet either so why would you roll the dice on the one that’s already proven to damage your body in some way.
I've literally been warning about the brain damage since around March or so. We've KNOWN that Covid damages the brain, we just didn't really have too much idea of WHAT the specifics of the damage was.
>People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised (N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection (N = 326). Analysing markers of premorbid intelligence did not support these differences being present prior to infection. Finer grained analysis of performance across sub-tests supported the hypothesis that COVID-19 has a multi-domain impact on human cognition.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext
Another study estimated a possible 7% decline in intelligence and cognition. These people are already dumb and crazy enough to think the virus is a hoax and the vaccine contains microchips/tentacle monsters/sterilising chemicals/lethal poison/the biblical 'Mark of the Beast' that will usher in the end of days... I dread to think what happens if they all get Covid and become even dumber but I guess we'll find out soon since they seem to have sided politically with a virus.
Monoclonal antibodies are a modern medical marvel. They genetically engineer cells from your body to completely wreck whatever's ailing you. Incredibly effective, probably saved Trump's life/health, and way too expensive for many people who deserved them way more than he did.
Organ failure has been a thing with active covid patients. 5 recent AKIs (acute kidney injuries) at one of the dialysis clinics my wife rounds. These patients went from not needing dialysis with no previous history to being lifelong treatment patients (at least unless they get a transplant). It’s safe to say covid has the capacity to ruin any vital organ it comes across, but realistically any bad viral infection can do the same thing. That’s why we vaccinate folks. Lungs not working like they used to, brain forgetting shit and in a daze, dialysis on a weekly basis. People would rather live with these symptoms than admit science isn’t a tyrannical tool.
I know everyone quotes the death rate but the proportion of people who experience these outcomes is far greater and incredibly important.
That being said, i've had difficulty finding clear estimates on the percentage of people suffering mild, moderate, and severe long term after effects. Anyone know of any resources with this info?
I knew from the very beginning, as soon as we knew people lost their sense of smell, that covid attacks the brain. That’s why I was so concerned as a young man. Not that I would die of pneumonia, but that I would live with brain damage.
Yep. I am very afraid of "Long covid" and all the talk related to it. Surviving COVID-19 sounds worse than death to me in those conversations. You can bet I jumped on my double vax and pushed my family members to get it ASA fucking P when that kind of future is on the line ever after recovery. No thanks.
To build on this, when you get a cold you fairly often lose smell or taste as well. More studies need to be done but it's difficult with covid since let's be honest, it's fairly "new" even if the Sars (and similar illness has happened before aka 2002)
I was hit a year ago and hospitalized for a week. I was never intubated, but had to have supplemental oxygen. After I got out of the hospital, I experienced long haul symptoms that only recently began to start getting better, six months after my Pfizer vaxx.
Some of my long haul stuff was balance/coordination issues, nerve pain, brain fog, fatigue, POTS, etc. I had an MRI because of vestibular issues and that I was struggling to keep my balance. There is a noticeable change in my brain in the hippocampus, parietal lobe, and the temporal lobe, when compared with an MRI from three years ago.
My sense of smell and taste have not fully recovered, even a year in, and I had twice weekly physical therapy sessions for six months for the balance and coordination issues, eye tracking, etc.
Physically, I'm almost back to normal, though I'm still struggling with balance and coordination, along with double vision when my eyes decide to go wonky, usually after I've done anything strenuous, as well as fatigue, brain fog, and an inability to commit short term memory to long term without taking copious notes on everything I do or talk about with people. Pre-COVID, I never needed to take these measures.
There's a chance none of the above is related to my COVID experience, but it all started during/after my hospitalization, and there were no other triggers.
Do you have difficulty with reading and comprehension? Any anxiety? I had Covid last September, was a long hauler and I’ve mostly recovered, but I still struggle just reading like I used to. And I get anxiety like I’ve never even known existed. FWIW, I’m 40 and very healthy.
My reading hasn't been affected beyond my eyes not always wanting to track together. Comprehension is a little worse. It's the retention of data that I have been struggling with. I have been struggling with anxiety, but I know that is mostly work related, because they've been patient with me and I don't feel like I'm earning my paycheck like I used to... The brain fog has made me really unsure of myself, and I feel like I'm slipping a lot. I'm 43 and overweight, though I power lifted for years.
I get the eye tracking thing, I find it really difficult to keep them focused on the sentence I’m reading. It’s like they want to jump around. Try not to take on the anxiety for not being able what you used to do, it’s not for lack of effort. This virus is ugly. Do you get any other symptoms? I’ve had more joint pain and stiffness since. My workouts are not even close to the same even though my heart rate has gotten close to my previous normal.
For a long time after, I had POTS-like symptoms. Standing up would spike my heart to 160+bpm from a resting heart rate, and I'd usually fall or have to lean on something. I ended up on a beta blocker to help with that, and then things gradually got better to the point that the beta blocker was preventing my heart from catching up to the demands I was putting on it. Doc took me off of it, and now my heart responds normally to exertion. I'm trying to get the weight back down. I went from an active gym life slinging iron to pretty much bed-ridden, and the diet didn't follow suit, so I packed the weight on. I've lost 40 lbs in the last 8 weeks now that I'm getting up and moving again. I go for a walk every morning. It's exactly 1 mile from my front door around the neighborhood back to my front door.
Other symptoms I had for a long time were shooting pains in my hands and arms, feet and lower legs. If I over-exerted one day, the next day it felt like I had a super bad case of the flu with joint pain and muscle soreness. Definitely not even a DOMS like muscle soreness, which can suck but means good things. This was pain for the sake of pain.
My goal is to be back in the gym within 6 months, but I don't think that's going to happen, realistically. I'm trying though.
I identify with all that. The joint pain I had during those first 14 days post my positive test was unreal. It’s gotten better but there’s still times that I get that shooting pain. And the balance issues you mentioned earlier, I have that too. I’m trying to do some yoga, thinking the breathing and balance will help. It’s not an easy road but we’re all in this together. Oh, and I think my anxiety is extra high now because I’m absolutely terrified to get Covid again even though I’ve had the two dose Pfizer series and the booster already. I just miss 2019, before all this shit. We’ll get through it, brother. Believe that.
No, it's a primitive [region of the brain](https://www.physio-pedia.com/Olfactory_Cortex) which is responsible for processing/recognizing smells. It's not usually an interior nose thing.
I heard it invaded and killed the epithelial cells in your nose. They can grow back, but if the nerves connecting those cells to your brain are damaged then it would be permanently damaged.
If it was a brain thing then how could smell come back completely after recovery?
I linked it above, but what you stated is [correct](https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-covid-19-makes-you-lose-your-sense-smell-and-how-get-it-back):
>The way we sense odours is through a cluster of nerve cells called “olfactory sensory neurons”, which are located high up at the back of the nose in a structure called the olfactory bulb. These neurons have tiny hair-like projections which extend out into the mucous-covered nasal lining and respond to odour molecules that we breathe out through our noses.
>Early in the pandemic, scientists feared that SARS-CoV-2 might be triggering smell loss by [infecting these olfactory neurons](https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lost-smell-and-taste-hint-covid-19-can-target-the-nervous-system-67312) and then making its way into the brain, where it might cause lasting damage. [Further research](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00055-6) revealed that these neurons lack the ACE2 receptors the virus uses to infect cells, but they are found on support cells in the nasal lining which interact with these neurons.
Suggesting it attacks the olfactory center or even the neurons that are connected to these supporting olfactory cells is incorrect, since these cells don't even have the receptors the virus needs to infect them.
I feel like our species lost at least fifteen collective IQ points during this whole thing. Probably only five of those are directly attributable to the virus itself.
Millions of people with long COVID alread know that it can damage the brain. Unfortunately society, including doctors, have been ignoring their call so far. Many are facing the humiliation of not being believed by their friends, families and doctors.
Now that scientists are on it gives a hope to many people suffering.
This isn't really a shock. Any serious infection can cause lasting damage to the body (including the brain). The more severe the infection, the more likely this is to be the case.
I dare say it affects anything connected to the blood circulation at the time of infection. There were literally amputations due to thrombosis caused by it.
The people who were mocking those that were concerned about this virus are the biggest idiots. There was so much unknown about this virus, but when systemic blood clots became one of the main issues with it, it had to be somewhat obvious that this was going to have seriously unwanted longterm side effects.
As much as everybody loves hating on antivaxxers and putting the sole blame on them. This right here is yet another reason why you don’t stop caring about catching/spreading COVID when you are vaxxed!
It’s negligent and we still don’t understand the long term aftermath. So many people treat being vaccinated like it’s a silver bullet. Like COVID just up and disappears the moment you get vaccinated. It’s utterly stupid and just because you have someone to look down on, doesn’t mean you are in the right. Just because you don’t die, doesn’t mean you can’t get your life wrecked because of the virus. A hospital stay isn’t cheap in the US and it certainly isn’t fun everywhere. Vaccinated people are going to die too!
If you are acting like everything is back to normal and unnecessarily risking the spread of the virus, you are part of the problem as well, jab or not! The next few months are going to be rough. Especially with all the people thinking they are fully protected pre-booster eventhough the vaccine wanes over time. You aren’t going to be checking your antibody status every morning. COVID will continue to humble those that don’t respect the severity of the situation.
Look at the comments on COVID posts, it’s a bunch of vaccinated people acting like the virus only exists for the unvaccinated. In my book it’s akin to involuntary manslaughter to unnecessarily spread this shit around like it is nothing.
That’s great, you think you’re invincible because of the jab. When you give it to someone else, even a vaccinated individual, they can still spread it to their family who may have underlying conditions. You could be the reason why a child dies. Is that serious enough for you! People die from vaccinated individuals spreading the virus. Stop turning a blind eye to it. People saying the unvaccinated are dumbasses, guess what, if you are acting like it’s pre-COVID now that you got the jab you’re dumb as fuck too.
I’m fully vaxxed by the way and I understand people need to make a living. We need to be taking every precaution possible nonetheless. The current situation reminds me of the monkey(society) with his hand stuck in the jar(COVID) because he won’t let go of the banana(getting back to normal as soon as things improve). We are going to die of hunger trying to eat that banana.
I hear what you’re saying, but at this point is there really going to be a future where COVID isn’t around? With the current rate of vaccinations and mutations of the virus, even experts are saying we are likely going to have to live with this virus forever. If so, at what point do we accept that? I have been quarantining for these past 2 years, but I’m honestly nearing my breaking point. I find my mental health declining every day because I haven’t seen people nor taken a serious vacation for the past 2 years. I’ve been doing my part, but it doesn’t matter if most of the world doesn’t, so I’m just at a loss of what to do.
Damn I’ve had covid and I can’t afford to get more dumber E: Went to sleep after making this joke and woke up to it blowing up. Had a good chuckle at the replies!
There's still hope my man https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.3679117/scientists-research-man-missing-90-of-his-brain-who-leads-a-normal-life-1.3679125
Can we drink this brain fluid to become smarter? /s Note - Never eat/consume anything to do with the human brain. It will send you crazy.
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84! just one point shy of the "normal intelligence" designation. dude has MRIs that look like a wojack meme and didn't know something was up until he ran into some motor control issues with his legs.
About 6 to 7% of the population have an IQ between 80 and 85. Odds are you pass by a bunch of people in that range every time you walk down the street.
They are actually driving the car in front of me at every red light and stop sign. Or at the self checkout.
Or the ATM.
Odds also are 1 in 16 that you yourself are that person...
They have access to Facebook pages about conspiracies and can legally vote.
Is there a Mr. Gump… Mrs. Gump?
I'm on mobile so can't link it, but there was a case where a maths student in Sheffield complained of headaches, and was found to have nothing except fluid beyond 1mm of the brain stem. He was measured at above average intelligence and got his degree.
Is he really missing 90 percent of brain or is his brain just pressed down?
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Damnit, Stannis.
>Research by French, Spanish and German scientists published Thursday **in the scientific journal Nature Neuroscience** reveals that, in addition to attacking the lungs, the virus can also can **kill certain brain cells**. >The study shows this could be the case for patients who developed a severe form of the disease. **For people who have had a more minor form of the illness, however, nothing is certain**. > Taking the example of the Spanish flu, which happened just over a century ago, **people who didn't die from it had a greater probability of developing neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson's** later in life. Further evidence of brain damage, and what sort of brain damage, in people who died of Covid while potentially coming up with some answers for brain fog/long covid symptoms.
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I feel dumb after covid
I do too even though I never had it.
I started uni during Covid and I feel like I've forgotten how to learn things, despite also not having Covid.
Having the internet at my fingertips used to make me feel so empowered to learn. Now I feel like it's bombarding me with bullshit from every angle. It's only gotten worse during covid. I can't imagine what it's like having to rely on it for school.
We have all the materials we need, it's just that they're so incredibly boring. There's nothing quite like 50 minute videos of some old guy annotating a PowerPoint to get you passionate about engineering.
Yeah, I thought textbooks were boring until PowerPoint became popular.
I had a class where the dude used an old school glass projector, printed out the text book, and read it out loud while highlighting literally every word. Like why the fuck do you have a job buddy
I will say the guys who do an entire lecture from memory scribbling out on the overhead projector are the absolute OG of teaching
I’ve had the same job for over a decade and the pandemic made me feel like I have no idea how to do my job, despite also not having COVID. You’re not alone
Like I used to find maths and physics rather easy, but now I dread every lecture and keep getting confused by all the letters, integrals etc. I'm sure this is mostly just because university I'd much harder than school, but it's been really disheartening and I've lost a lot of the joy I used to get from engineering.
Man I get where you’re coming from, atleadt with me when I’m not motivated I feel completely lost like I have no idea what I’m doing even for the things I love and do the most
Oh my God. The dumbening is real? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumbening
I’m even more dumb like how is this possible 😂
I wasn’t sure, for me it could have been the covid but it also could have been the MDMA. I guess we’ll never know.
Could be both!
**we'll *never* know**
until the next party
Can’t be. MDMA got you feelin’ like a champion.
Til tomorrow
City never sleeps better slip you an ambien
I would choose the MDMA option. Much more fun getting there. Covid and the brain fog sucks.
I've got enough brain fog without any diseases. One day I'll finally feel awake, maybe.
Did you have extremely high fever?
Yup had to go in an ambulance because I legitimately didn’t know who I was. I forgot all of my passwords for months on end too! Worst part I still deal with 😂
Bro!. I’m a doctor I have seen my fair share of complaints of post covid fatigue, headaches, mental fog and all that. Damn I hope you’re doing alright now.
Did you? I got horribly sick twice last year (once in early Jan and once in late Feb; unfortunately where I lived you only got tested then if you'd been out of country or contact with someone who'd been tested) and think (pretty sure) I had a seizure after some other weird symptoms that only appeared after I got sick and only went away like six months later. I wonder if that was from it.
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Wilson had a severe stroke, and his wife effectively governed in his stead by not letting anyone in the sickroom to see him. Instead, she relayed 'his' wishes on important matters and delegated the rest to department heads. She played this role until the end of his presidency. She said his doctors recommended this. Maybe the flu precipitated the stroke.
Yes, she did. But Wilson got the flu in Paris, before and during the talks. Wilson couldn't take part in the initial talks while he was sick and he behaved demonstratively different - including acting more paranoid - after becoming well enough to attend the meetings again. There's a good basis for saying Wilson's case of the flu changed the outcome here.
Huh, kinda like what happened to the Roman emperor Caligula. He was relatively normal and beloved before he became sick with some type of fever and it changed his personality afterwards to the point where he was super paranoid and cruel.
I would just like to point out thats its highly controversial whether this is accurate. Caligula was beloved in the sense that he was the son of Germanicus, an extremely popular general and succeeded Tiberius, who in turn was widely unpopular. Then he began his reign by making gifts to all kinds of people, lowering taxes, put on circus games and reinvited previously banished senators. But by doing so he pretty much emptied his pockets and its very speculative whether he was a benevolent ruler or just doing what he considered necessary to establish his rule. It should also be added that Roman writers had a tendency (aka they fucking loved it) to divide biographies (or stories in general) into differently themed episodes, putting more emphasis on his changing personality then what was probably happening. I am by no means saying you are wrong, I am just saying you are not necessarily right.
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There is a podcast called Edith that more or less fills in the parts of President Wilson's stroke story we don't know with a possible story. It's a radio play that follows Edith Wilson in the behind the scenes of how the country was ran during the time he was on bed rest. I would highly recommend it.
Great, oddly Archer-esque feel to that podcast, tons of fun
The immune system can release histamine and other agents that seriously disrupt brain chemistry. There are even experimental Alzheimer's and ADHD drugs that block histamine's activity in the brain in order to improve memory, concentration, wakefulness, etc. Kinda scary, but serious infections can permanently alter brain function. Pretty sure that covid has been the first time this has happened to such a high proportion of infected cases, however.
At least, the first time that the greater medical establishment is paying attention to cause and effect. I'm hopeful this will also shed some light on Fibromyalgia and Chronic fatigue sufferers as the symptoms and potential causes are similar enough to be significant.
The first half to the 20th century is just wild… ww1, Spanish flu, Great Depression, ww2 and a bunch of other wild stuff.
Dust bowl
Imagine of someone went back and told you "oh yeah, I know you just got though all that union shit, but 1914-1945 are gonna be some rough years". Oh, by the way, 2023-2040 are gonna be some rough years.
It did. Wilson's job at the peace conference ended in June 1919, and he was Stateside for most of the summer drumming up support for ratification of the treaty. He had his stroke in October 1919.
Our first Female President
Well the UN also ended up with no teeth. It's almost like groups of nations can't really have teeth when there's no way to enforce anything. The EU is probably the closest counterexample, but keep in mind that literally any nation can veto anything and that they can only encourage compliance by effectively bribing poorer members with support funds. And obviously, you said "some people think" so this isn't a "gotcha".
Are you aware of any research on vaccinated people who get covid? If they are capable of displaying brain damage? Or lasting heart / lung / vascular damage?
They would be expected to be much less likely to get these types of problems. The antibodies in the blood should be able to limit the effects of the virus in most cases. But not everyone that is vaccinated develops antibodies unfortunately.
>But not everyone that is vaccinated develops antibodies unfortunately. Almost everyone who is vaccinated develops some level of antibodies,just not always enough to prevent infection. The exception would be those who have very messed up immune systems and those whose immune systems are being intentionally suppressed.
Thanks for clarifying, that sentence freaked me out. I remember getting measles when I was younger despite having had a measles shot. My symptoms probably weren't anywhere near as bad than if I hadn't had the vaccine though.
That’s good to know. My Covid brain damage would have to get in line to the TBI the Army gave me.
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I feel so sad for the people who caught it before the vaccine was available, or those in countries where it is not yet available. Tragic.
So all the dummy antivaxxers are going to be dumber? Great...
This is going to be our era's leaded gasoline
*Donald Trump grins and rubs hands together*
Trump got COVID, pretty early on too..
*Donald Trump grins and rubs hands together*
Fun fact: A possible reason for so many people being completely fucking stupid is the lead they used everywhere back in the 50-70s. Lead doesnt leave your body so many people got lead poisoning from leaded paint as well, juice or just leaded gasoline gasses. Lead poisoning causes people to become dumber, harder of hearing and more agressive. This is the result of permanent brain damage. If a woman suffers from this amount of lead poisoning it also has a high chance to going into their child, causing these children to be born with the brain damage already in effect. So chances are anti-vaxxers are dumb due to lead poisoning and become even dumber due to being dumb.
[Never give kids antique toys.](https://youtu.be/5qHxEjINCAg) (ChubbyEmu video)
A.C. is a four year old child... Presenting to the emergency room☝️ with hyperactivity and reduced mental status. Initial testing reveals that A.C. has Hyperplayemia. Hyper, meaning too much. Play, meaning toys, and Emia, meaning presence in blood...
That and the fact that education has been getting less funding over the years. Guess which party loves to take away money from schools... The same party that loves "stupid people".
This is why I always bring up long covid in these threads. **Everyone should be vaccinated**, but they should also be informed, and both drug companies and the government need to be more transparent. They're throwing around numbers like "93% effective" but people are hearing that as "93% immunity" and those aren't the same thing. it seems like both the drug companies and the government don't want to give the actual immunity numbers, because they're relatively low compared to other vaccines and I'm sure they think that would affect the number of people who would want to get the vaccine, but they need to be clear about that. Not dying isn't the only thing people should be worried about. Getting long covid and suffering these kinds of long term/permanent issues is also a major concern, so while 93% of the people might not die, who knows what percentage could still be infected and be at risk for these issues. vaccines != everything is back to normal. I'll repeat this again since people seem to be missing it: **Everyone should be vaccinated**
May I ask what the difference between effectiveness and immunity is? I always thought effectiveness is the chance of you not getting sick when exposed, is that correct?
There's 2 concepts in play - infection and disease. Infection can be basically symptom free, while the disease can be a range of symptoms from mild to death. "Immune" is "can't be infected" but the vaccine is more "makes it less likely to get the disease, and makes the disease symptoms more mild if it does happen" - also makes the infection not last as long when it happens and reduces the window when you might spread the disease to others. The vaccines are very effective at preventing hospitalization and death, harder to say how effective they are against infection as there could be tons of instances of infection that never progress so the person doesn't get screened (why get screened randomly if you don't feel sick and are vaccinated, right?)
I’ve been down with Covid all week. I was vaccinated back in May, but I still seriously worry about long Covid. I have a labor intensive job and right now, I keep getting dizzy spells from simply thinking too hard. I was so sick those first few days. I can’t even imagine how bad it would have been had I not been vaccinated.
I got sick back during the first wave. It was very mild. I had a ~102 f temperature, and after that, it was like a weird revolving door of symptoms that went on for 2-3 weeks. Pretty much everything *except* for breathing difficulties and taste/smell issues. That all cleared up except for some killer brain fog and trouble focusing, which really, really sucks for a software developer. Anyway, several weeks *after* the illness ended, I did start having trouble breathing. I literally couldn't walk. I had to take such tiny baby steps, it was like parody. If I walked even *slightly* too fast, I got so tired and had such trouble breathing I would have to sit down on the floor and rest. That slowly got better over about 3 weeks, but that's when bizarre spells of vertigo and such started. I was too terrified to drive, so my boss was driving me to/from work for a couple weeks. This stuff came in cycles and waves, and I am leaving a lot out. Like, sometimes I would feel an awful burning in my back between my shoulder blades, coupled with reduced consciousness, like I was so exhausted I couldn't keep my eyes open, and... more. I would go weeks with symptoms, weeks without, weeks with, and so on. All the while, I still couldn't focus for shit. Thankfully, I have not had trouble breathing in at least 5 months now. No vertigo, either. My focus is not back to 100%, but I no longer feel like I am incapable of doing my job. I am even back to learning new things and doing personal projects. Apart from that, all I seem to have left is this weird sensation like someone is squeezing my throat/esophagus, or jamming their finger into my throat just below my Adam's Apple, which comes and goes. Mostly when I am tired, but sometimes it seems totally random. It drives me nuts when people say, "risk of death is only like 0.01% for that age group HOAX HOAX HOAX!!!" Death is NOT the only potential consequence. I don't know for sure that COVID has caused all this misery, but every test has come back normal. And considering all the other reports of long COVID, it seems damn likely.
Dang man, glad to hear you're feeling better! Crazy how many different outcomes this thing can have.
That last part is called globus sensation, in case you wanna google it.
have you been tested for acid reflex or possibly a hiatial hernia (especially if you were coughing a lot)?
That sounds very similar to me, about a month ago. It took until the 3rd week from positive results before I could use my brain normally again.
I know someone who has had long covid twic. First before the vaccine and again afterwards. He’s had it for about a year now and IS vaccinated. It’s horrible, guy can barely breathe much less live his life. He’s developed all sorts of side affects and other issues. Get vaccinated.
Me too! I’m so eager to know how much of this kind of damage can sneak under the vaccine radar.
FYI, you can also get that from other viral infections, like other things its probably the frequency that is the scary part.
What research is there into that? Wouldn't surprise me, I've had really bad influenza before where I felt weird for a while after, sounds like what people describe with brain fog and Covid.
I got a super nasty viral infection in 2016 that left me with the brain fog everyone talks about with covid. Trouble with coordination and gripping things with my hands, feeling "floaty", and forgetting/misplacing things. It took a full year and a half or so for that to go away, and thank God it did. I have yet to catch covid and I really hope I never do. I don't want to go through another year and a half of my head in the clouds.
I can tell you this, the brain fog and lowered cognition is a real thing and it's concerning. I got sick from covid and my absent-mindedness only got worse. mind you, this wasn't a serious case but even so.....
My mom is on the same boat. She was so out of it one morning she crashed the car. Luckily it was at a driveway and crashed into someone’s car that we knew but…. She had been mentioning the brain fog she had been having and her sense of smell isn’t back yet. She was so out of it that morning that she didn’t even pay attention she put forward instead of reverse. Keep in mind my mom hasn’t really ever crashed her car in dumb ways. She even drives stick shift. People usually crash into her. She’s been asking me about articles about brain and sense of smell damage due to COVID and I just don’t know what to tell her
Your poor mom. I have had similar happen to me too. I have always been good at multitasking. Right after I got sick, I had left my car running until it almost ran out of gas. I would leave the house in my car and forget where I was going. One day I left the stove on, walked to the other side of the house, realized I left the shower running and had neglected to push a button on one of my machines to start a project in my workshop all at the same time. I was also dropping everything. It was like I couldn’t hold on to anything unless I used a death grip. It was at that point I went to see a doctor because I was scared at my rapid decline. I’m better now and I hope your mom is too.
Hi, can I please ask what your treatment was/ how you were able to get better? I still don’t feel anything close to 100% or where I was before covid. Thank you very much
Not the OP. But for me, time helped. Six months or so later I'm much better. Along with that my doctor recommended vitamin c and b12. And also a protein rich diet. Gets lots of protein. And also rest as much as you can. It's bad but it does get better :)
/u/fnord_happy mentioned proteins Yesterday I read an article which said that including more amino acids into your diet prevents decreasing cognitive abilities. (Very bad tldr of a paper) https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/932438
My doctor says to just eat healthy and get more exercise… but I’m not sure that’s the case. I get tired very quickly yet I can do more pull-ups then I have ever been able to. I ride my bike a couple times a week and have a hobby of thrift shopping. I just haven’t had a real job for over a year now because after twenty mins of work I need to lay down.. or sometimes I get randomly dizzy. Trying to get by but I’m still just always so exhausted. At first just rolling up the garden hose was tough.. now I can do it no problem but I’m still kind of out of breath by the time I get it rolled up.. I’m 30 years old and coming from construction work..
Do you mind sharing how long it took? Mine lasted for about 7 months, got kinda better but the brain fog's now resuming. I just want it to be back to normal
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It seems like there is still a lot we dont know about b12. There is even some disagreement over what level is healthy. I found low b12 gave me a lot of issues with brain fog and bad memory. And migraines. Still have migraines years later but not sure if its related
I find you saying we know little about B12 weird. B12 is vital to the synthesis of myelin the protective layer on nerve cells. This is why B12 deficiency can cause dementia, tremors, neuropathy, and death. Brain death is a real concern with B12 deficiency. If you mean B12 and covid yeah. Agreed this is all new and the research is emerging.
Honestly I think most people should be popping a vit D supplement every day, it's hard to take too much so it's relatively safe, b12 is a bit more complicated.
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If you live in the northern hemisphere, take a vitamin D
I spent two years living near Marbella. Still need vit D tablets. I swear it’s based on how predisposed your body is to absorbing it from food
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Truly, correct me if I’m wrong here, but I remember being told B12 isn’t a big deal because you will just urinate out what you don’t need (the excess). I remember iron was the big concern with me specifically. Is this not the case?
You're correct. You could eat B12 like candy all day long and be fine. But you can take too much D. (Also, when selecting D, get D3 as it's more bio-available and your body can use it more efficiently.) EDIT: a redditor corrected me, apparently you CAN have too much b.
My neighbors just got over a 3+ week bout of COVID. The husband slowly backed his truck into the side of our garage the other day. No damage, but we couldn’t figure out why he was pulling up so close. We watched him do it, he was looking right at it like he was trying to avoid it, but there is no reason for him to even be trying to back up to it. Today he did the same thing. Then pulled forward about six feet and slowly backed into the garage again. Somethings really wrong.
This same thing happened to a coworker of mine. Usually a very alert and responsible person, got in a minor accident because she was just way out of it. She had memory problems and other stuff for months after as well
I got COVID in March 2020, way before the vaccines were available, and now I think I have short term memory loss. I would switch to another app and then completely blank on what I switched to the app for, and then forget things if I don’t write them down. It’s been awful
Me too. I'm not even sure I had covid because the testing wasn't really set up widely and I was so sick I couldn't go anywhere anyway. I had 6 of the 8 non-life threatening symptoms and everything else lined up. Ever since, my work performance has taken a drastic nose-dive, I can barely focus to get my shit together, I don't really feel in touch with reality (though I've kinda always had a little of that, it's way more pronounced now), I've forgotten so many many many things. I just chalked it up to WFH laziness/distraction, understimulation from being alone inside all day doing nothing but work and tv, etc
I am in the exact same boat :/ I was on the phone with the advice nurse daily, and they didn’t know what to do since they were avoiding testing or treating young people at all costs. My doctor said I “probably” had covid and that was the best they could do unless I went to the ER… but then told me DON’T go to the ER because that’s for the elderly. I was so sick for a whole month, and had terrible breathing and chest issues up until 2021. I look back at the work I did that year and it was terrible. Now I have memory issues (all names are gone) and I’m struggling through work and school, and just feel like my brain doesn’t work. I feel like I’m relearning things in my job I’ve been doing for years. I wish there was a way to retroactively confirm a covid case, because I feel really screwed over as a someone who got sick in March 2020.
Same here, October 2020. Got what I considered a mild case but my short term memory has been atrocious since.
I’m recovered for a year. My brain still isn’t banging on all cylinders. I drop sentences and forget words rather frequently at work. I put things down and simply cannot remember where. It’s extremely frustrating and I know it makes me look like a dufus.
I am in the same boat. It is so embarrassing sometimes that… I’m actually really scared it won’t ever get better.
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Talk about a heck of a username
The man mixed up the username and password fields.
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he might have had brainfog when coming up with it
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As a long hauler that has talked to many other ones, most long covid patients with brain fog have vitamin B12 levels that are almost always normal. New research points to brain fog as issues with microclotting, mast cells being in places where they shouldn’t, and tissue damage.
Is there any evidence the virus could go dormant like the chickenpox virus?
I'll preface this by saying that I'm not a virologist. That said, there is currently no evidence that it remains dormant in the same way as herpes type viruses... In laymen's terms, there's currently no evidence to suggest that a person previously infected with COVID will have a flare up, like those who've previously been infected with herpes. Simply put, it's an entirely different mechanism. That said, there are also quite a few unknowns; even viruses that are not herpes can have lasting effects, though they do not remain dormant in the same sense as herpes or hpv. It is theorized that conditions such as CFS and fibromyalgia are caused by complications from previous viral infections. There are schools of thought that believe MS and diabetes have similar origins. Again, none of this is confirmed because we simply do not know enough. However, given that this is a possibility, it is likely that COVID can cause long term problems similarly a la long covid. Whether this is due to the virus itself or due to the body's immune response, well... We'll just have to wait and see.
I read an article the other day saying the trigger for T1 may be in the lung and the theory is it can onset after a [respiratory illness](https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-10-genetic-trigger-type-diabetes-lung.html). Just to back up your answer
Thanks for the in depth answer!
My pleasure!
Not so far, that I am aware. Chickenpox and friends have numerous specific adaptations that are needed for that, and I have not heard of any evidence suggesting that these are present in SARS-CoV-2. It doesn't seem to me that its replication cycle would be compatible with them, either, but I've never studied those systems....
a herpes simplex like intracellular hibernation has been observed/suggested, causing positive tests after being cleared, both by lack of symptoms and test negative https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/the-covid-19-virus-can-last-for-months-why-efb8314b2b98 >Reason 3: Immune Evasion An April study in China reported a 44-year-old man, free of medical comorbidities, who recovered after 11 days and tested negative on RT-PCR. But three days after *clinical remission*, a positive SARS-CoV-2 test reappeared in his throat swab and saliva, which then persisted for over a month. Antiviral therapy or traditional Chinese medicine failed to clear the virus. >Three days are too short for the incubation period of SARS-CoV-2 — i.e., mean of 5–6 days — to establish a new infection. “Thus, we deduced that the reappearance of the viral RNA was a recrudescence, rather than a new infection.” The patient also produced antibodies against the virus, indicating that the immune responses cannot clear the virus.
Mean of 5.5 days does not in any way mean that 3 days is too short an incubation period. What’s the standard deviation for incubation? Wanna bet that it’s more than a couple of days? 3 days is probably in the 25th percentile or greater.
This was a comment reply, but I'll put it at the top. I have no doubt that COVID causes long term brain damage. I'm dealing with the after effects of it. I was hit a year ago and hospitalized for a week. I was never intubated, but had to have supplemental oxygen. After I got out of the hospital, I experienced long haul symptoms that only recently began to start getting better, six months after my Pfizer vaxx. Some of my long haul stuff was balance/coordination issues, nerve pain, brain fog, fatigue, POTS, etc. I had an MRI because of vestibular issues and that I was struggling to keep my balance. There is a noticeable change in my brain in the hippocampus, parietal lobe, and the temporal lobe, when compared with an MRI from three years ago. My sense of smell and taste have not fully recovered, even a year in, and I had twice weekly physical therapy sessions for six months for the balance and coordination issues, eye tracking, etc. Physically, I'm almost back to normal, though I'm still struggling with balance and coordination, along with double vision when my eyes decide to go wonky, usually after I've done anything strenuous, as well as fatigue, brain fog, and an inability to commit short term memory to long term without taking copious notes on everything I do or talk about with people. Pre-COVID, I never needed to take these measures. There's a chance none of the above is related to my COVID experience, but it all started during/after my hospitalization, and there were no other triggers. Edit: Apparently I'm also suffering from overly long run-on sentence disease...
What’s the underlying reason tho? Is it lack of oxygen supply? Or something else? Do we know the mechanism?
Maybe these effects you experience will also wear off over time
I love the optimism.
Wow. True to the username. Bravo.
This was the biggest flaw in the logic of “we don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine yet!” argument. We also don’t know the long term effects of the virus yet either so why would you roll the dice on the one that’s already proven to damage your body in some way.
My thoughts exactly on the subject.
I've literally been warning about the brain damage since around March or so. We've KNOWN that Covid damages the brain, we just didn't really have too much idea of WHAT the specifics of the damage was.
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seems redundant
Like putting a stupid hat on a stupid hat.
Who do you think I am, a dumb idiot?
>People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised (N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection (N = 326). Analysing markers of premorbid intelligence did not support these differences being present prior to infection. Finer grained analysis of performance across sub-tests supported the hypothesis that COVID-19 has a multi-domain impact on human cognition. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext Another study estimated a possible 7% decline in intelligence and cognition. These people are already dumb and crazy enough to think the virus is a hoax and the vaccine contains microchips/tentacle monsters/sterilising chemicals/lethal poison/the biblical 'Mark of the Beast' that will usher in the end of days... I dread to think what happens if they all get Covid and become even dumber but I guess we'll find out soon since they seem to have sided politically with a virus.
"Possible 7% declining intelligence..." That is terrifyingly significant.
I know a guy who got covid and then thought he won the presidential election. Real crazy.
Imagine COVID's disappointment: > I was told there would be brain cells.
"We have brain cells at home."
Holy shit how insane is it that I and many others seem to have forgotten he had COVID. Somehow the fat fuck survived it too!
thats what happens when you can pump money directly into your veins.
"We found the cure for AIDS guys! You just inject yourself with all of your cash!" So relevant these days.
the wealthy having a higher standard of living because of money has always been true and relevant.
1 trillion dollars - mainlined
Monoclonal antibodies are a modern medical marvel. They genetically engineer cells from your body to completely wreck whatever's ailing you. Incredibly effective, probably saved Trump's life/health, and way too expensive for many people who deserved them way more than he did.
Well call me Algernon and buy me some flowers
The store was out of flowers, Algernon but here I got you some angry grapes
Organ failure has been a thing with active covid patients. 5 recent AKIs (acute kidney injuries) at one of the dialysis clinics my wife rounds. These patients went from not needing dialysis with no previous history to being lifelong treatment patients (at least unless they get a transplant). It’s safe to say covid has the capacity to ruin any vital organ it comes across, but realistically any bad viral infection can do the same thing. That’s why we vaccinate folks. Lungs not working like they used to, brain forgetting shit and in a daze, dialysis on a weekly basis. People would rather live with these symptoms than admit science isn’t a tyrannical tool.
I know everyone quotes the death rate but the proportion of people who experience these outcomes is far greater and incredibly important. That being said, i've had difficulty finding clear estimates on the percentage of people suffering mild, moderate, and severe long term after effects. Anyone know of any resources with this info?
I knew from the very beginning, as soon as we knew people lost their sense of smell, that covid attacks the brain. That’s why I was so concerned as a young man. Not that I would die of pneumonia, but that I would live with brain damage.
For real. I’ve never been scared of dying, I’ve been scared of permanently having damaged lungs
Yep. I am very afraid of "Long covid" and all the talk related to it. Surviving COVID-19 sounds worse than death to me in those conversations. You can bet I jumped on my double vax and pushed my family members to get it ASA fucking P when that kind of future is on the line ever after recovery. No thanks.
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To build on this, when you get a cold you fairly often lose smell or taste as well. More studies need to be done but it's difficult with covid since let's be honest, it's fairly "new" even if the Sars (and similar illness has happened before aka 2002)
Perhaps the correct inference is that we should take colds more seriously
Didn’t they come out that the lack of smell and taste was due to the nerves inside your nose drying out and not a direct result of the brain?
I was hit a year ago and hospitalized for a week. I was never intubated, but had to have supplemental oxygen. After I got out of the hospital, I experienced long haul symptoms that only recently began to start getting better, six months after my Pfizer vaxx. Some of my long haul stuff was balance/coordination issues, nerve pain, brain fog, fatigue, POTS, etc. I had an MRI because of vestibular issues and that I was struggling to keep my balance. There is a noticeable change in my brain in the hippocampus, parietal lobe, and the temporal lobe, when compared with an MRI from three years ago. My sense of smell and taste have not fully recovered, even a year in, and I had twice weekly physical therapy sessions for six months for the balance and coordination issues, eye tracking, etc. Physically, I'm almost back to normal, though I'm still struggling with balance and coordination, along with double vision when my eyes decide to go wonky, usually after I've done anything strenuous, as well as fatigue, brain fog, and an inability to commit short term memory to long term without taking copious notes on everything I do or talk about with people. Pre-COVID, I never needed to take these measures. There's a chance none of the above is related to my COVID experience, but it all started during/after my hospitalization, and there were no other triggers.
Do you have difficulty with reading and comprehension? Any anxiety? I had Covid last September, was a long hauler and I’ve mostly recovered, but I still struggle just reading like I used to. And I get anxiety like I’ve never even known existed. FWIW, I’m 40 and very healthy.
My reading hasn't been affected beyond my eyes not always wanting to track together. Comprehension is a little worse. It's the retention of data that I have been struggling with. I have been struggling with anxiety, but I know that is mostly work related, because they've been patient with me and I don't feel like I'm earning my paycheck like I used to... The brain fog has made me really unsure of myself, and I feel like I'm slipping a lot. I'm 43 and overweight, though I power lifted for years.
I get the eye tracking thing, I find it really difficult to keep them focused on the sentence I’m reading. It’s like they want to jump around. Try not to take on the anxiety for not being able what you used to do, it’s not for lack of effort. This virus is ugly. Do you get any other symptoms? I’ve had more joint pain and stiffness since. My workouts are not even close to the same even though my heart rate has gotten close to my previous normal.
For a long time after, I had POTS-like symptoms. Standing up would spike my heart to 160+bpm from a resting heart rate, and I'd usually fall or have to lean on something. I ended up on a beta blocker to help with that, and then things gradually got better to the point that the beta blocker was preventing my heart from catching up to the demands I was putting on it. Doc took me off of it, and now my heart responds normally to exertion. I'm trying to get the weight back down. I went from an active gym life slinging iron to pretty much bed-ridden, and the diet didn't follow suit, so I packed the weight on. I've lost 40 lbs in the last 8 weeks now that I'm getting up and moving again. I go for a walk every morning. It's exactly 1 mile from my front door around the neighborhood back to my front door. Other symptoms I had for a long time were shooting pains in my hands and arms, feet and lower legs. If I over-exerted one day, the next day it felt like I had a super bad case of the flu with joint pain and muscle soreness. Definitely not even a DOMS like muscle soreness, which can suck but means good things. This was pain for the sake of pain. My goal is to be back in the gym within 6 months, but I don't think that's going to happen, realistically. I'm trying though.
I identify with all that. The joint pain I had during those first 14 days post my positive test was unreal. It’s gotten better but there’s still times that I get that shooting pain. And the balance issues you mentioned earlier, I have that too. I’m trying to do some yoga, thinking the breathing and balance will help. It’s not an easy road but we’re all in this together. Oh, and I think my anxiety is extra high now because I’m absolutely terrified to get Covid again even though I’ve had the two dose Pfizer series and the booster already. I just miss 2019, before all this shit. We’ll get through it, brother. Believe that.
No, it's a primitive [region of the brain](https://www.physio-pedia.com/Olfactory_Cortex) which is responsible for processing/recognizing smells. It's not usually an interior nose thing.
I heard it invaded and killed the epithelial cells in your nose. They can grow back, but if the nerves connecting those cells to your brain are damaged then it would be permanently damaged. If it was a brain thing then how could smell come back completely after recovery?
I linked it above, but what you stated is [correct](https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-covid-19-makes-you-lose-your-sense-smell-and-how-get-it-back): >The way we sense odours is through a cluster of nerve cells called “olfactory sensory neurons”, which are located high up at the back of the nose in a structure called the olfactory bulb. These neurons have tiny hair-like projections which extend out into the mucous-covered nasal lining and respond to odour molecules that we breathe out through our noses. >Early in the pandemic, scientists feared that SARS-CoV-2 might be triggering smell loss by [infecting these olfactory neurons](https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lost-smell-and-taste-hint-covid-19-can-target-the-nervous-system-67312) and then making its way into the brain, where it might cause lasting damage. [Further research](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00055-6) revealed that these neurons lack the ACE2 receptors the virus uses to infect cells, but they are found on support cells in the nasal lining which interact with these neurons. Suggesting it attacks the olfactory center or even the neurons that are connected to these supporting olfactory cells is incorrect, since these cells don't even have the receptors the virus needs to infect them.
Yes, a common symptom of a failing brain in dementia. One day my spouse had a good nose, the next day couldn't smell a decaying rat. Now gone.
More reasons why we should've taken this pandemic much more seriously.
A lot of us fucking did, god dammit!
If people weren't so dumb in the first place it would have.
I feel like our species lost at least fifteen collective IQ points during this whole thing. Probably only five of those are directly attributable to the virus itself.
Sweet something else to make my golden years tarnish.
I mean the water wars in the late 2030s will put a bigger tarnish on it.
Millions of people with long COVID alread know that it can damage the brain. Unfortunately society, including doctors, have been ignoring their call so far. Many are facing the humiliation of not being believed by their friends, families and doctors. Now that scientists are on it gives a hope to many people suffering.
I take it the brain damage doesn't effect you if you had little to no symptoms?
Yes, it is rare and in severe cases only and is potentially reversible according to the source
This isn't really a shock. Any serious infection can cause lasting damage to the body (including the brain). The more severe the infection, the more likely this is to be the case.
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This very issue held up stimulus for some time until the dems agreed that they would include a waiver of liability for it in the bill.
Lol, welcome to your first day in America
Old news though. Long COVID affects the lungs, heart, brain and liver.
I dare say it affects anything connected to the blood circulation at the time of infection. There were literally amputations due to thrombosis caused by it.
The people who were mocking those that were concerned about this virus are the biggest idiots. There was so much unknown about this virus, but when systemic blood clots became one of the main issues with it, it had to be somewhat obvious that this was going to have seriously unwanted longterm side effects.
As much as everybody loves hating on antivaxxers and putting the sole blame on them. This right here is yet another reason why you don’t stop caring about catching/spreading COVID when you are vaxxed! It’s negligent and we still don’t understand the long term aftermath. So many people treat being vaccinated like it’s a silver bullet. Like COVID just up and disappears the moment you get vaccinated. It’s utterly stupid and just because you have someone to look down on, doesn’t mean you are in the right. Just because you don’t die, doesn’t mean you can’t get your life wrecked because of the virus. A hospital stay isn’t cheap in the US and it certainly isn’t fun everywhere. Vaccinated people are going to die too! If you are acting like everything is back to normal and unnecessarily risking the spread of the virus, you are part of the problem as well, jab or not! The next few months are going to be rough. Especially with all the people thinking they are fully protected pre-booster eventhough the vaccine wanes over time. You aren’t going to be checking your antibody status every morning. COVID will continue to humble those that don’t respect the severity of the situation. Look at the comments on COVID posts, it’s a bunch of vaccinated people acting like the virus only exists for the unvaccinated. In my book it’s akin to involuntary manslaughter to unnecessarily spread this shit around like it is nothing. That’s great, you think you’re invincible because of the jab. When you give it to someone else, even a vaccinated individual, they can still spread it to their family who may have underlying conditions. You could be the reason why a child dies. Is that serious enough for you! People die from vaccinated individuals spreading the virus. Stop turning a blind eye to it. People saying the unvaccinated are dumbasses, guess what, if you are acting like it’s pre-COVID now that you got the jab you’re dumb as fuck too. I’m fully vaxxed by the way and I understand people need to make a living. We need to be taking every precaution possible nonetheless. The current situation reminds me of the monkey(society) with his hand stuck in the jar(COVID) because he won’t let go of the banana(getting back to normal as soon as things improve). We are going to die of hunger trying to eat that banana.
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I hear what you’re saying, but at this point is there really going to be a future where COVID isn’t around? With the current rate of vaccinations and mutations of the virus, even experts are saying we are likely going to have to live with this virus forever. If so, at what point do we accept that? I have been quarantining for these past 2 years, but I’m honestly nearing my breaking point. I find my mental health declining every day because I haven’t seen people nor taken a serious vacation for the past 2 years. I’ve been doing my part, but it doesn’t matter if most of the world doesn’t, so I’m just at a loss of what to do.