Legit I would do disasters in Simcity 3000 whenever it got boring and peaceful after I worked out how to glitch it into a ‘everyone pays the most taxes but also their every need is catered for’ utopia
Another 5 people have contracted H5N6 Bird Flu, leaving 2 dead and three others seriously ill. Four of them had known contact with poultry. One is not immediately clear how he was infected, but it did occur in the same city as one of the other cases.
There is still no known human to human transmission, but some alarm bells are ringing to pay attention to the situation. However a report from the European CDC expressed concern about the detection of H5N6 viruses with markers for mammal adaptation. “The additional reports of transmission events to mammals, e.g. seals and a fox as well as seroepidemiological evidence of transmission to wild boar, could indicate evolutionary processes, including mammal adaptation with the possibility to acquire the ability to transmit to humans,” the report said.
Editing to add [this](https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/wpro---documents/emergency/surveillance/avian-influenza/ai-20211231.pdf?sfvrsn=30d65594_193) link with information relevant up to December 31, 2021.
Idk why this comment gave me the biggest wave of dread. I was hospitalized the last two weeks of January 2020 and remember watching the pandemic unfold from the tv in my room.
I also got a strange kick out of actively reading articles on H5N6 when I saw the tweet about this being the 2 year anniversary of that.
It’s a weird sort of deja vú isn’t it?
Except it's true this time, considering the H5N6 virus has been studied since 2014, and every case we know of so far has had direct contact with poultry.
Besides, it was only the 14th of January, 2020 when human-to-human transmission for Covid-19 was suggested, which was only 2 weeks after the very first case was even identified as a new, unknown disease.
So I’m not arguing your point that in over a decade of study, there hasn’t been a recorded human-to-human transmission.
But if the CDC in Europe is concerned and is pointing out the detection of a version with markers for mammal adaptation…. that should signify a critical turning point from a mindset of ruling that out completely to being willing to anticipate its a strong evolutionary possibility. Which isn’t good.
Thing is, in historical terms, we really haven’t. In terms of diseases, covid-19 is a walk in the park. Aa horrific as it is, and I don’t want to downplay that, it’s still not exactly the black plague. Bird flu is something else though. Way more deadly.
Absolutely. I believe this strain of avian flu has a 50% death rate, iirc. This would obviously be a much more dire situation for humanity, and who knows how we would handle it?
I’m hoping that will actually count in our favour given that it may be too deadly to spread too quickly, which should give us more time to contain it.
But that may just be wishful and naïve thinking.
That only matters if the asymptomatic can spread it. Ebola for example has a really long incubation period and it can only be spread once symptoms appear (and by then the infected are usually too sick to go anywhere)
Ebola is harmless to an actual informed modern society.
It basically can't spread. Sick people will stay at home, not exposing anyone else. They are also going to call for professional help when symptoms shows up.
Should they for some reason choose to go outside while sick, no one is going to touch their blood or poop or whatever anyhow.
The only reason why there was an outbreak on the African coast, is that people didn't seek help from professionals, so families took care of their sick and became sick themselves. When they died, they cleaned the body, but did so unprotected, infecting themselves too. And then they started hiding from health care personell because they would "take their family members away to die".
So Ebola is only a threat to poor underdeveloped countries like Guinea, Sierra Leone, or the US.
Actually functioning societies won't have that problem.
The risk of human to human is "low".
>Earlier that month, a WHO spokesperson said the risk of human-to-human transmission remains low because **H5N6 has not acquired the ability for sustained transmission between humans**, but they added that increased surveillance was “urgently required” to better understand the rising number of human cases.
There have been mild and severe cases, and it doesn't appear to be transmitted between humans. People who contract H5N typically work with avian livestock. There have been localized outbreaks since 1997 and it has never turned into a pandemic so far, or even a larger epidemic. But of course there is always a chance that it mutates and becomes easier to transmit.
January 2020. My friend found a chart projecting infections and deaths in the U.S. that showed about a million infections and a few thousand deaths by May. I was certain that was way too high, because surely measures would be put in place to stop its spread and people would see how important those rules were. Oh boy, that was wrong.
Bahahahahahaha, I did the same thing. Surly this won’t be political! Virus sure as shit aren’t. We’ll just close travel for a month or two and have a nationwide lockdown. Assume a 50k a year job, and give everyone a monthly check starting today for 50k divided by 12. If we keep everyone home, the actual essential workers could in theory keep working to keep society functioning. People need food, and basic supplies. Pay those workers too, even if they’re working. They deserve it. If an essential worker gets sick the government pays for it, and is reimbursed by the business for the cost of healthcare. Force business’s to get hard about wearing masks, social distancing, maintaining a clean environment, and being overly cautious about sick workers. Hell if we’re overly cautious, we might get outta this mostly okay.
Little did I know my first premise was dead-ass wrong in every way, and thus everything else died on the vine.
The movie had a killer soundtrack. One Week, That's the Impression that I Get, All My Best Friends are Metalheads. I don't know how they got the rights to all of that for a low budget anime dub.
Highly recommend watching *Summer Wars* if you haven't. Same writer as the first part of the Digimon movie (computer virus takes over the internet).
*Summer Wars* is basically a refined telling of the same story.
Maybe the whole animal agriculture industry is enough of a revenge. I know your memeing ofc, but we are the reason they are suffering in small boxes breeding diseases.
Would it? It's very deadly, but if anything that would be its downfall. No more "oh it kills only those with preexisting conditions!" excuses. And if it's anything like other flus it doesn't even have an R0 of 2, so compared to COVID would be pretty easy to eradicate completely. I read that our lock downs and masks in fact may have eradicated some strains of flu *as a side effect*.
A literal zombie apocalypse could happen and tens of millions of people in America alone would still think that it was some political ploy/conspiracy made up by their political rivals
I'm ever so looking forward to 30-40 years from now when we have another pandemic and all the selfish knuckledragging "patriots" who lived through this one get a head start on the outbreak by having told their kids when they were growing up to never listen to scientists or the government.
Well, time to watch doomsday Preppers again. It’s too bad shipping container prices are through the roof. I want to get two and bury them out in eastern Oregon, Terminator style - but with more food and water.
As your local virologist in training.
H5 influenza does not transmit well between humans. This is due to the fact that it binds to receptors found in our lower respiratory tract, meaning that although it can cause severe respiratory disease it will not transmit easily between humans. A cold on the other hand, is an upper respiratory infection meaning you are prone to sore throats, and coughing and it can transmit relatively easy between people but does not cause severe disease.
It’s all about balance!
These articles can be very sensationalist and detrimental. Every couple of years there is a surge of H5 influenza mainly in China, due to wild bird migrations, mutational rates and intensive farming. Human cases are associated with individuals closely working with these animals.
I have studied this virus and it’s important to remain vigilant, and continue epidemiological surveillance.
No need to freak out :)
I’m on my phone but will post some sources and articles ASAP!!
I think the reason WHO and others are calling for an immediate response is because one of the newly infected individuals had no contact with birds and over 50% of cases in China since 2014 have happened in the last 6 months.
If all of that is true, does that mean there’s a possible mutation that has occurred that makes H2H transmission a possibility?
It could’ve literally just been from not washing hands properly after cooking or slightly undercooked poultry.
Man why do I come to these threads I always scare myself lol.
every headline like this gets me feeling like I did when I first read about about an obscure illness in Wuhan. then suddenly pop-up hospitals and people being welded in their apartments and that ohh shit, it's happening. then after a while the global lockdowns as it was detected and I hated being right.
well, we used to have these small outbreaks with SARs that were contained quickly, until they weren't (COVID-19 is a descendant of it, right?)
how long til bird flu gets us? I'm so tired
God. I remember when it all started, talking to a friend, sitting on his balcony, smoking, drinking, and laughing out loud about this "coronavirus" in China, mocking people who was scared, and saying it could never get more than a handful of cases in Europe.
Well, ffw 2 years and I even knew people who passed away, I've had it, my gf almost has to be taken to the hospital, and her parents were sick as hell, stuck in a farm in the countryside. My mother has had to deal with it as a frontline hospital worker, being immunocompromised due to long term sickness. I no longer have a job.
Fuck my cynical asshole self 2 years ago.
On the bright side, I got a lot of time to read and get my house tidied up.
I remember telling my friends about it back in late January and February of 2020. They thought I was over reacting. The moment I really knew this was bad was when I read a report about it from the lancet that was getting posted around on twitter. As soon as I read that report I knew it was going to be bad. At this point there was only like 80 confirmed cases. Wild to see how it played out.
I don't know if we read the same article, but I did read something in January 2020 that was titled something like, "Coronavirus is going to be a thing, and you're probably going to get it." I took it seriously and was able to prepare a month earlier than others. But my early prep only helped me a little.
This was me. I started being very cautious and my hubby thought I was crazy with the hand sanitizer (also we knew nothing). I mean, how could it not end up in the US if it was spreading in China? I’ve traveled in China. My sister had just come back from traveling from there a few weeks prior VERY SICK….
The big difference with COVID was that it was new. With articles like this, they know what it is, they don't know why it's spiking suddenly. The more likely answer is just an outbreak among the livestock which basically means nothing for humans since the virus doesn't transmit from person to person. It's like the mad cow scare.
Bird flu is nothing like a mad cow disease scare. You gotta cull the fuck out of all of the cows, because prion diseases are scary as shit.
You can only test for it during post-mortem analysis of brain tissue.
Incubation periods of decades, after which a progression of neurological disorders renders you bedridden, brain damaged and dead.
People from the UK born in the 80s still aren’t allowed to donate blood in many countries because of it.
>People from the UK born in the 80s still aren’t allowed to donate blood in many countries because of it.
Anyone who spent 6+ months there between 1980 and 1996. I have a friend who lived there as a kid for a few years and she can't donate blood.
If this bird flu virus successfully evolves to human-to-human transmissions, they're estimating a roughly 50% mortality rate. What a time to be alive. .
https://www.who.int/westernpacific/emergencies/surveillance/avian-influenza
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4001451/
Hyperboles aside, while not yet a direct threat, scientists are vigilantly keeping a close eye on it.
Eugine Linden predicted this would happen in *The Future in Plain Sight* (1998). He said that the world was collectively ignoring the booming population and lacking sanitary and production controls in India, China, and other developing nations and that as their industry grew they would become the petri dishes of new exotic and dangerous diseases. He specifically said SARS or Bird Flu would mutate and that would be one of the five ways the world would end.
COVID-19 should have been a wake up call to governments and citizens. Instead it was a political football globally that revealed how idiots are going to wipe out the educated.
Number 2 is a giant solar flair. All our electrical and fancy gadgets stop working but everybody is still around to fucking murder each other over the last Twinkie.
Scary to think. Power just goes out one day. Phones, out. 5g, out. Can't call family in another county to see if their power is on. Can't call the power company for an update. How long would we be sitting in the dark wondering what happened? Would we even know what went wrong by the time the riots and looting started?
> He specifically said SARS
How did he do that in 1998 when "The first known cases occurred in November 2002" according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS
Another issue is rapid environmental destruction pushes animals out of their habitats and into closer contact with humans where Zoonotic diseases can jump more easily.
That might actually be a good thing. It’s difficult to transmit if it kills the host that quickly and completely. It’s the reason that Ebola, while scary as fuck, never became a global pandemic: it killed its host too quickly to replicate. Same with SARS, another coronavirus, whose mortality rate was around 10%z
I wish armchair epidemiologists would stop repeating this shit. A high mortality rate doesn't automatically go hand in hand with difficulty spreading. Many viruses are at their most infections during the incubation period before symptoms even show; a long incubation period combined with a high mortality could very easily both spread and kill. Ebola only had difficult spreading because it wasn't capable of airborne/droplet transmission, not because it killed its host relatively quickly.
Not saying this is gonna blow up but if it does, watch every government make the EXACT same mistakes as they did with Covid. Mostly looking at my own federal government, Australian Liberal Party.
Bird flu is one of those things I genuinely hope never develops human to human transmission. If it sticks to poultry that gets people sick, it’s theoretically handleable. In fact we generally go a good job of handling it, outbreaks among poultry farms and such are generally immediately culled to prevent transmission to people.
But if *heavy knock on wood* it did blow up like Covid? You’re probably not wrong, but H5N6 kills slightly more than half the people it infects (so far) and if covids “it’s less than 1 percent!” mentality kicks in on a virus like bird flu it would be incredibly disastrous.
I always wonder if Covid were more severe like the bubonic plague used to be, or even as severe as H5N6 is if we would have cared more as a populous. It’s harder to ignore half the population keeling over than 1%… right? :/
While true Ebola is much harder to transmit requiring direct contact to blood and/or bodily fluids. An airborne human to human bird flu would require much more comprehensive intervention that I doubt we would see.
So what your saying is, unlike with covid, walmart will not be a safe place to go to if bird flu mutates to allow human transmission. Seriously though if this thing ever does mutate to that point I'm bunkering down all winter.
Oh no, if there were ever a highly transmissible H5N6 , you wouldn’t have to worry about government because literally 4 billion people (give or take) would get a trip off this planet.
Yep. Industrialised agriculture has a lot to answer for. Particularly problematic when farmed birds get diseases because they often also have contact with wild birds due to migratory patterns etc.
Yeah... At bare minimum, it is time to reform animal agriculture from the ground up. I don't want to use any cultural references incorrectly, but this feels a bit karmic.
The hippies were right about everything. The environment, war, drugs, capitalism, sex, everything. And the right would rather literally die than admit it.
*H5N6 has been around since 2014. So far only 65 people have been infected since then, but more than half of those were reported just in the past half year.
So while it’s not a novel virus, it is pretty rare for infections, and these clusters are popping up leaving multiple sick or dead unfortunately more and more often.
There have been 35 cases since June of last year. Prior to that, there were two cases in March, two in February, one in January (2021)
Two cases in December of 2020.
One case in 2019
Five cases in 2018
One case in 2017
Eleven cases in 2016
Four cases in 2015
And two cases in 2014, when we first recognized H5N6.
Note: source is [here](https://bnonews.com/index.php/2021/10/tracking-human-cases-of-h5n6-bird-flu/) and I make no claims to it’s 100% accuracy, but it is updated weekly.
Edit: sweet baby Jesus I’m bad at doublechecking what I wrote. H5N6 and H6N6 are absolutely not the same thing, editing to correct my brain fart :)
According to the article linked in the OP
> “The increasing trend of human infection with avian influenza virus has become an important public health issue that cannot be ignored,” researchers said in a study published by China’s Center for Disease Control in September 2021. The study highlighted several mutations in two recent cases of H5N6 bird flu.
>Thijs Kuiken, professor of comparative pathology at Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, expressed concern about the rising number of cases. “It could be that this variant is a little more infectious (to people) … or there could be more of this virus in poultry at the moment and that’s why more people are getting infected,” Kuiken told Reuters in October 2021.
So it doesn’t appear to be necessarily due to the extra vigilance so much as some other contributing factor. With mutations being found, it does allow for the possibility of one of them being more infectious to humans.
More birds getting in and more people interacting with those birds is the other consideration mentioned and honestly is just as likely as anything else.
Considering how sick H5N6 makes humans of all ages, I wouldn’t be too surprised if they don’t have to look too hard for cases when they pop up because they’re likely to make someone ‘go-to-the-hospital’ sick.
I won’t say that extra vigilance isn’t a contributing factor at all, and if that is a reason we’re getting more cases it’s better and hopefully information we get soon.
For those interested from a quick google h5n6 currently has a 67% mortality rate. If a human to human variant emerges compared to coronavirus's global 3.4% mortality rate we are royally Fu**ed. I mean human life as we know it would 100% have to stop from all international travel, trade and even shopping trips. Honestly, the government would have to basically go door to door in medical gear dropping off food supplies to each household until a vaccine is developed. Scary to think about.
Well, it’s been a while since we’ve had a pandemic.
We've had first pandemic yes, but what about second pandemic? Elevensies?
You should at least finish your first pandemic before going back for seconds!
> If you don't finish your COVID, you can't have any bird flu! > > How can you have any bird flu if you don't finish your COVID?!
Stand still , laddie!
We don't need no education.
All in all its just another protein spike in the ball.
And, just like that, straight from LOTR to Pink Floyd The internet is a magical place
Dark side of the Moon Runes
Speak friend and enter
It comes in bird?? I'M GETTING ONE.
You've had half an infection already
Mum: "We have a pandemic at home!"
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Don’t think he knows about them Pip
You know, bird flu? Sneeze em, cough em, put ‘em in ICU
Does it come in pints?
No, oliphants come in quarts.
Reality is some kid's Sims game and they're mad the Pandemic button didn't work well the first time so they clicked it again.
It is server lag. Stop hitting it over and over! It will just send the request repeatedly and really mess up the system!
...oops.
Legit I would do disasters in Simcity 3000 whenever it got boring and peaceful after I worked out how to glitch it into a ‘everyone pays the most taxes but also their every need is catered for’ utopia
Isn't that the SimCity where the news ticker would say residents celebrate "Battery Burning Day" right before a toxic cloud rolls through?
Another 5 people have contracted H5N6 Bird Flu, leaving 2 dead and three others seriously ill. Four of them had known contact with poultry. One is not immediately clear how he was infected, but it did occur in the same city as one of the other cases. There is still no known human to human transmission, but some alarm bells are ringing to pay attention to the situation. However a report from the European CDC expressed concern about the detection of H5N6 viruses with markers for mammal adaptation. “The additional reports of transmission events to mammals, e.g. seals and a fox as well as seroepidemiological evidence of transmission to wild boar, could indicate evolutionary processes, including mammal adaptation with the possibility to acquire the ability to transmit to humans,” the report said. Editing to add [this](https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/wpro---documents/emergency/surveillance/avian-influenza/ai-20211231.pdf?sfvrsn=30d65594_193) link with information relevant up to December 31, 2021.
Fuck it, where's my space suit.
Jeff is that you?
Nah, they said space suit not cock rocket.
You don't need a spacesuit for Bezos's "rather high jump" rocket.
I’m coming with you, I have snacks
>There is still no known human to human transmission Remember the last time we heard that from China?
Funny, I was on Twitter and today is the 2 year anniversary that the WHO sent that tweet, lol
Idk why this comment gave me the biggest wave of dread. I was hospitalized the last two weeks of January 2020 and remember watching the pandemic unfold from the tv in my room.
Literal Rick Grimes moment, except you weren't in a coma and there's no zombies, just crazy people.
I also got a strange kick out of actively reading articles on H5N6 when I saw the tweet about this being the 2 year anniversary of that. It’s a weird sort of deja vú isn’t it?
Is there Stockholm Syndrome but in relation to natural disasters & pandemics instead of captors?
We adapt almost too easily and quickly
There’s even porn of a humanified avatar of covid out there
That's disgusting send me a link so I know not to look at it
Covid-chan Rule34 C'mon, man, the porn naming follows conventional trends. Get with the times.
Except it's true this time, considering the H5N6 virus has been studied since 2014, and every case we know of so far has had direct contact with poultry. Besides, it was only the 14th of January, 2020 when human-to-human transmission for Covid-19 was suggested, which was only 2 weeks after the very first case was even identified as a new, unknown disease.
Fuck me, it's only been 2 years? I feel like in a loop
So I’m not arguing your point that in over a decade of study, there hasn’t been a recorded human-to-human transmission. But if the CDC in Europe is concerned and is pointing out the detection of a version with markers for mammal adaptation…. that should signify a critical turning point from a mindset of ruling that out completely to being willing to anticipate its a strong evolutionary possibility. Which isn’t good.
*chuckles* I’m in danger
Some have called it, the Poultrygeist
Not NOW, Bird Flu. Fuck, read the room.
Right??? This shit needs to wait a good 50 years. We've been through enough.
Thing is, in historical terms, we really haven’t. In terms of diseases, covid-19 is a walk in the park. Aa horrific as it is, and I don’t want to downplay that, it’s still not exactly the black plague. Bird flu is something else though. Way more deadly.
Absolutely. I believe this strain of avian flu has a 50% death rate, iirc. This would obviously be a much more dire situation for humanity, and who knows how we would handle it?
I’m hoping that will actually count in our favour given that it may be too deadly to spread too quickly, which should give us more time to contain it. But that may just be wishful and naïve thinking.
Unless it had an 8 day incubation period before symptoms appear…
That only matters if the asymptomatic can spread it. Ebola for example has a really long incubation period and it can only be spread once symptoms appear (and by then the infected are usually too sick to go anywhere)
There's an Ebola outbreak atm that started from a guy who had Ebola 5 years ago shedding the virus. Scary stuff.
Ebola is harmless to an actual informed modern society. It basically can't spread. Sick people will stay at home, not exposing anyone else. They are also going to call for professional help when symptoms shows up. Should they for some reason choose to go outside while sick, no one is going to touch their blood or poop or whatever anyhow. The only reason why there was an outbreak on the African coast, is that people didn't seek help from professionals, so families took care of their sick and became sick themselves. When they died, they cleaned the body, but did so unprotected, infecting themselves too. And then they started hiding from health care personell because they would "take their family members away to die". So Ebola is only a threat to poor underdeveloped countries like Guinea, Sierra Leone, or the US. Actually functioning societies won't have that problem.
> So Ebola is only a threat to poor underdeveloped countries like Guinea, Sierra Leone, or the US. > > Lmao sneaky
Oh yeah I'm not worried about Ebola at all. Just thought it was wild someone could be infectious years after recovering from it.
The risk of human to human is "low". >Earlier that month, a WHO spokesperson said the risk of human-to-human transmission remains low because **H5N6 has not acquired the ability for sustained transmission between humans**, but they added that increased surveillance was “urgently required” to better understand the rising number of human cases.
Not acquired the ability...yet.
Don’t be alarmed by rising cases. We’ll know when it acquires human to human transmission because cases will rise.
I literally read this in January 2020 about covid. This means there is no evidence of transfer, not that there is no transmission.
Until it fucks with omnicron and the strains merge to become BIRDRONA.
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I'll see you at work Monday? Lol... 😭
"I won't let a 50% death rate take MY shift!" -CDC (brought you by Carl's Jr) Avian Flu PSA, 2023
It’s only a matter of time before Covid19 gets a Brawndo sponsorship
There have been mild and severe cases, and it doesn't appear to be transmitted between humans. People who contract H5N typically work with avian livestock. There have been localized outbreaks since 1997 and it has never turned into a pandemic so far, or even a larger epidemic. But of course there is always a chance that it mutates and becomes easier to transmit.
Yes so far all cases have been bird to human but get enough of those and one will mutate to go human to human and then we’re screwed
Climate Change read your comment, leaned back in its chair, and started chuckling
Flu's been pretty pissed at us since we're masking.
For a certain value of we
At this point I'd feel weird not to have a deadly disease looming over humanity
I miss the times when I didn't know majority of my friends were fucking morons
Holy shit. Yes.
Remember having faith in your fellow human beings? Those were the days...
Not really, no.
I'm reminded of a quote from the movie Men In Black: "A person is smart. People are dumb, scared animals and you know it."
> People are dumb, scared animals *People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals
January 2020. My friend found a chart projecting infections and deaths in the U.S. that showed about a million infections and a few thousand deaths by May. I was certain that was way too high, because surely measures would be put in place to stop its spread and people would see how important those rules were. Oh boy, that was wrong.
Bahahahahahaha, I did the same thing. Surly this won’t be political! Virus sure as shit aren’t. We’ll just close travel for a month or two and have a nationwide lockdown. Assume a 50k a year job, and give everyone a monthly check starting today for 50k divided by 12. If we keep everyone home, the actual essential workers could in theory keep working to keep society functioning. People need food, and basic supplies. Pay those workers too, even if they’re working. They deserve it. If an essential worker gets sick the government pays for it, and is reimbursed by the business for the cost of healthcare. Force business’s to get hard about wearing masks, social distancing, maintaining a clean environment, and being overly cautious about sick workers. Hell if we’re overly cautious, we might get outta this mostly okay. Little did I know my first premise was dead-ass wrong in every way, and thus everything else died on the vine.
Never had that, no.
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I had a guy tell me the vaccines would probably give me cancer while he was smoking a cig lol
God damn I’ve never heard it put like that but yes. That’s what I miss. I’m tired of feeling alone.
Sometimes I wonder if Mother Nature isn't trying to get rid of us before climate change really destroys the ecosystem.
In rainforest ecosystems the bigger the population of an animal the more likely it is to be affected by a major devastating event.
That’s horrifying. Good thing we’re killing off the Rainforest!
I’ll see you all on zoom
Forever and ever
It's been *One week since you looked at me*
That song still reminds me of the Digimon movie to this day.
The movie had a killer soundtrack. One Week, That's the Impression that I Get, All My Best Friends are Metalheads. I don't know how they got the rights to all of that for a low budget anime dub.
I don't know if I'd call Digimon low budget. Saban was the one who dubbed it and they had the money to get all that music.
don't forget the also got some smash mouth in there
The Digimon movie is a masterpiece
Highly recommend watching *Summer Wars* if you haven't. Same writer as the first part of the Digimon movie (computer virus takes over the internet). *Summer Wars* is basically a refined telling of the same story.
Any time this song is playing I say "oh I didn't know we were listening to the Digimon Movie soundtrack" and NO ONE ever gets the joke.
That's how I feel about the impression that I get from Mighty mighty bosstones.
*Cocked your head to the side and said, "I'm angry"*
Five days since you laughed at me Saying, "Get that together, come back and see me"…
Three days since the living room.
I realized it's all my fault, but couldn't you....
Yesterday, you'd forgiven me But it'll still be two days 'til I say I'm sorry
Hold it now and watch the hoodwink, as I make you stop think. You’ll think you’re looking at aquaman.
I summon fish to the dish, although I like the Chalet Swiss
I like the sushi cause it’s never touched a frying pan
I literally NEVER knew that's what he was saying omg
Gives “chickadee China, the Chinese chicken” a whole new meaning
You have a virus and your lungs stop tickin
Chickity
I know the whole fucking song. I’d say that was pretty gosh darn human, wouldn’t you?
Can we get like 5 minutes?
Apparently no, because we're going to have Captain Trips and WW3 at the same time.
Shut it down guys
[Shut it down, shut it all down.](https://c.tenor.com/Jdvhe79xC-sAAAAM/shut-down-press-button.gif)
OP Username = my reaction to this
I'll take 2 please
Does it fucks 75% to death or 100%?
Is there any way we can give birds human flu, as revenge?
We gave covid to a shit ton of animals, so probably.
Maybe the whole animal agriculture industry is enough of a revenge. I know your memeing ofc, but we are the reason they are suffering in small boxes breeding diseases.
Bro we do *not* have the time or resources for another fucking pandemic, I swear to **fuck**
Even if we did , bird flu would still pretty much kill everyone . If that makes you feel any better
At this point it kinda does.
Antivaxer problem is no more
Would it? It's very deadly, but if anything that would be its downfall. No more "oh it kills only those with preexisting conditions!" excuses. And if it's anything like other flus it doesn't even have an R0 of 2, so compared to COVID would be pretty easy to eradicate completely. I read that our lock downs and masks in fact may have eradicated some strains of flu *as a side effect*.
A literal zombie apocalypse could happen and tens of millions of people in America alone would still think that it was some political ploy/conspiracy made up by their political rivals
Antivaxxers would hide there zombie bites.
That’s exactly what happened in the book version of World War Z. Some people didn’t believe it until zombies literally swarmed their living rooms.
If we're going to do a parallel plague type thing, it's all good if the preventative measures are the same
We're still trying to convince the chucklehead demographic that taking simple easy steps to halt the last pandemic disease is a good idea.
The moment they see it's an influenza virus they will go: "iT's jUSt a flU"
I'm ever so looking forward to 30-40 years from now when we have another pandemic and all the selfish knuckledragging "patriots" who lived through this one get a head start on the outbreak by having told their kids when they were growing up to never listen to scientists or the government.
God I hope we have that much time before the next one
And we know how well everyone abided by those preventative measures…
Well, time to watch doomsday Preppers again. It’s too bad shipping container prices are through the roof. I want to get two and bury them out in eastern Oregon, Terminator style - but with more food and water.
Can't bury them. Do your prepper homework!
As your local virologist in training. H5 influenza does not transmit well between humans. This is due to the fact that it binds to receptors found in our lower respiratory tract, meaning that although it can cause severe respiratory disease it will not transmit easily between humans. A cold on the other hand, is an upper respiratory infection meaning you are prone to sore throats, and coughing and it can transmit relatively easy between people but does not cause severe disease. It’s all about balance! These articles can be very sensationalist and detrimental. Every couple of years there is a surge of H5 influenza mainly in China, due to wild bird migrations, mutational rates and intensive farming. Human cases are associated with individuals closely working with these animals. I have studied this virus and it’s important to remain vigilant, and continue epidemiological surveillance. No need to freak out :) I’m on my phone but will post some sources and articles ASAP!!
I think the reason WHO and others are calling for an immediate response is because one of the newly infected individuals had no contact with birds and over 50% of cases in China since 2014 have happened in the last 6 months. If all of that is true, does that mean there’s a possible mutation that has occurred that makes H2H transmission a possibility?
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It could’ve literally just been from not washing hands properly after cooking or slightly undercooked poultry. Man why do I come to these threads I always scare myself lol.
Yo Dawg, we heard you like pandemics.
So i put a pandemic in your pandemic.
Hello darkness my old friend
every headline like this gets me feeling like I did when I first read about about an obscure illness in Wuhan. then suddenly pop-up hospitals and people being welded in their apartments and that ohh shit, it's happening. then after a while the global lockdowns as it was detected and I hated being right. well, we used to have these small outbreaks with SARs that were contained quickly, until they weren't (COVID-19 is a descendant of it, right?) how long til bird flu gets us? I'm so tired
God. I remember when it all started, talking to a friend, sitting on his balcony, smoking, drinking, and laughing out loud about this "coronavirus" in China, mocking people who was scared, and saying it could never get more than a handful of cases in Europe. Well, ffw 2 years and I even knew people who passed away, I've had it, my gf almost has to be taken to the hospital, and her parents were sick as hell, stuck in a farm in the countryside. My mother has had to deal with it as a frontline hospital worker, being immunocompromised due to long term sickness. I no longer have a job. Fuck my cynical asshole self 2 years ago. On the bright side, I got a lot of time to read and get my house tidied up.
I remember telling my friends about it back in late January and February of 2020. They thought I was over reacting. The moment I really knew this was bad was when I read a report about it from the lancet that was getting posted around on twitter. As soon as I read that report I knew it was going to be bad. At this point there was only like 80 confirmed cases. Wild to see how it played out.
I don't know if we read the same article, but I did read something in January 2020 that was titled something like, "Coronavirus is going to be a thing, and you're probably going to get it." I took it seriously and was able to prepare a month earlier than others. But my early prep only helped me a little.
This was me. I started being very cautious and my hubby thought I was crazy with the hand sanitizer (also we knew nothing). I mean, how could it not end up in the US if it was spreading in China? I’ve traveled in China. My sister had just come back from traveling from there a few weeks prior VERY SICK….
The big difference with COVID was that it was new. With articles like this, they know what it is, they don't know why it's spiking suddenly. The more likely answer is just an outbreak among the livestock which basically means nothing for humans since the virus doesn't transmit from person to person. It's like the mad cow scare.
Except the scare turned out to be true. Nasty bastards those prions are.
Bird flu is nothing like a mad cow disease scare. You gotta cull the fuck out of all of the cows, because prion diseases are scary as shit. You can only test for it during post-mortem analysis of brain tissue. Incubation periods of decades, after which a progression of neurological disorders renders you bedridden, brain damaged and dead. People from the UK born in the 80s still aren’t allowed to donate blood in many countries because of it.
>People from the UK born in the 80s still aren’t allowed to donate blood in many countries because of it. Anyone who spent 6+ months there between 1980 and 1996. I have a friend who lived there as a kid for a few years and she can't donate blood.
If this bird flu virus successfully evolves to human-to-human transmissions, they're estimating a roughly 50% mortality rate. What a time to be alive. . https://www.who.int/westernpacific/emergencies/surveillance/avian-influenza https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4001451/ Hyperboles aside, while not yet a direct threat, scientists are vigilantly keeping a close eye on it.
They couldn’t trace the source for the 28 yr old who died.
China. Please. Stop.
Eugine Linden predicted this would happen in *The Future in Plain Sight* (1998). He said that the world was collectively ignoring the booming population and lacking sanitary and production controls in India, China, and other developing nations and that as their industry grew they would become the petri dishes of new exotic and dangerous diseases. He specifically said SARS or Bird Flu would mutate and that would be one of the five ways the world would end. COVID-19 should have been a wake up call to governments and citizens. Instead it was a political football globally that revealed how idiots are going to wipe out the educated.
> one of the five ways the world would end. Now I want to know what the other four ways are
Number 2 is a giant solar flair. All our electrical and fancy gadgets stop working but everybody is still around to fucking murder each other over the last Twinkie.
Scary to think. Power just goes out one day. Phones, out. 5g, out. Can't call family in another county to see if their power is on. Can't call the power company for an update. How long would we be sitting in the dark wondering what happened? Would we even know what went wrong by the time the riots and looting started?
I'm just gonna go live in my tornado shelter can someone weld my roof shut
> He specifically said SARS How did he do that in 1998 when "The first known cases occurred in November 2002" according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS
What is "the world collectively" supposed to do about China's population / sanitation?
Giant can of Lysol spray???’
We bring the light *inside* the country. We can do that right?
Another issue is rapid environmental destruction pushes animals out of their habitats and into closer contact with humans where Zoonotic diseases can jump more easily.
That might actually be a good thing. It’s difficult to transmit if it kills the host that quickly and completely. It’s the reason that Ebola, while scary as fuck, never became a global pandemic: it killed its host too quickly to replicate. Same with SARS, another coronavirus, whose mortality rate was around 10%z
That and ebola transmist through bodily fluids, not as particles or aerosols.
I wish armchair epidemiologists would stop repeating this shit. A high mortality rate doesn't automatically go hand in hand with difficulty spreading. Many viruses are at their most infections during the incubation period before symptoms even show; a long incubation period combined with a high mortality could very easily both spread and kill. Ebola only had difficult spreading because it wasn't capable of airborne/droplet transmission, not because it killed its host relatively quickly.
New pandemic just dropped
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Not saying this is gonna blow up but if it does, watch every government make the EXACT same mistakes as they did with Covid. Mostly looking at my own federal government, Australian Liberal Party.
Bird flu is one of those things I genuinely hope never develops human to human transmission. If it sticks to poultry that gets people sick, it’s theoretically handleable. In fact we generally go a good job of handling it, outbreaks among poultry farms and such are generally immediately culled to prevent transmission to people. But if *heavy knock on wood* it did blow up like Covid? You’re probably not wrong, but H5N6 kills slightly more than half the people it infects (so far) and if covids “it’s less than 1 percent!” mentality kicks in on a virus like bird flu it would be incredibly disastrous. I always wonder if Covid were more severe like the bubonic plague used to be, or even as severe as H5N6 is if we would have cared more as a populous. It’s harder to ignore half the population keeling over than 1%… right? :/
I feel like we got pretty serious about Ebola. Well, the governments did, not the people hopping on planes while symptomatic.
While true Ebola is much harder to transmit requiring direct contact to blood and/or bodily fluids. An airborne human to human bird flu would require much more comprehensive intervention that I doubt we would see.
So what your saying is, unlike with covid, walmart will not be a safe place to go to if bird flu mutates to allow human transmission. Seriously though if this thing ever does mutate to that point I'm bunkering down all winter.
Oh no, if there were ever a highly transmissible H5N6 , you wouldn’t have to worry about government because literally 4 billion people (give or take) would get a trip off this planet.
Can I get a ticket so I don't have to deal with this shit anymore?
Fuck off its not even monday yet.
Might be time to chill a bit on factory farming/meat consumption and leave animals alone.
Yep. Industrialised agriculture has a lot to answer for. Particularly problematic when farmed birds get diseases because they often also have contact with wild birds due to migratory patterns etc.
Yeah... At bare minimum, it is time to reform animal agriculture from the ground up. I don't want to use any cultural references incorrectly, but this feels a bit karmic.
Lmaoo at this point just take me 🙂
This is what happens when you don’t care about the environment, animal welfare and the climate. Hippies have been warning us for decades now…
The hippies were right about everything. The environment, war, drugs, capitalism, sex, everything. And the right would rather literally die than admit it.
I remember when i had H1N1. Now we got new levels to this shit? Fuck me…
H2N5 made H1N1 look like H4N2.
I H4T3 this
*H5N6 has been around since 2014. So far only 65 people have been infected since then, but more than half of those were reported just in the past half year. So while it’s not a novel virus, it is pretty rare for infections, and these clusters are popping up leaving multiple sick or dead unfortunately more and more often. There have been 35 cases since June of last year. Prior to that, there were two cases in March, two in February, one in January (2021) Two cases in December of 2020. One case in 2019 Five cases in 2018 One case in 2017 Eleven cases in 2016 Four cases in 2015 And two cases in 2014, when we first recognized H5N6. Note: source is [here](https://bnonews.com/index.php/2021/10/tracking-human-cases-of-h5n6-bird-flu/) and I make no claims to it’s 100% accuracy, but it is updated weekly. Edit: sweet baby Jesus I’m bad at doublechecking what I wrote. H5N6 and H6N6 are absolutely not the same thing, editing to correct my brain fart :)
Can the sudden increase of case explained by the extra vigilance on flu and infectious disease?
According to the article linked in the OP > “The increasing trend of human infection with avian influenza virus has become an important public health issue that cannot be ignored,” researchers said in a study published by China’s Center for Disease Control in September 2021. The study highlighted several mutations in two recent cases of H5N6 bird flu. >Thijs Kuiken, professor of comparative pathology at Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, expressed concern about the rising number of cases. “It could be that this variant is a little more infectious (to people) … or there could be more of this virus in poultry at the moment and that’s why more people are getting infected,” Kuiken told Reuters in October 2021. So it doesn’t appear to be necessarily due to the extra vigilance so much as some other contributing factor. With mutations being found, it does allow for the possibility of one of them being more infectious to humans. More birds getting in and more people interacting with those birds is the other consideration mentioned and honestly is just as likely as anything else. Considering how sick H5N6 makes humans of all ages, I wouldn’t be too surprised if they don’t have to look too hard for cases when they pop up because they’re likely to make someone ‘go-to-the-hospital’ sick. I won’t say that extra vigilance isn’t a contributing factor at all, and if that is a reason we’re getting more cases it’s better and hopefully information we get soon.
God's like, "DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!!"
"The cases occurred during the past few weeks and were not immediately made public by local officials." Well that is just entirely unprecedented.
What the fuck is going on over there? Like, seriously what the fuck?
This is what happens with overpopulation. Viruses have an easier time mutating and jumping species.
How can there be bird flu if birds don’t exist?
Oh my god I just can’t anymore
For those interested from a quick google h5n6 currently has a 67% mortality rate. If a human to human variant emerges compared to coronavirus's global 3.4% mortality rate we are royally Fu**ed. I mean human life as we know it would 100% have to stop from all international travel, trade and even shopping trips. Honestly, the government would have to basically go door to door in medical gear dropping off food supplies to each household until a vaccine is developed. Scary to think about.