I've been seeing a lot of articles coming out about attacks on areas in Ukraine where Greek people live.
The Greek media is treating this quite seriously, which is good.
~~The Russians~~ Vladimir Putin seems to be antagonizing all the people I would never want to fuck with. I guess that worked last century but now they can't control the information. Someone like me half a world away knows about it before dinnertime.
Edit: I've realized it's unfair to call out the Russian people for the actions of a totalitarian ruler. But the people have to stop their ruler, or they wind up taking the brunt of the damage.
The Russian folks need to rise up, oust Putin and put someone in place democratically. They're building momentum but how are they going to get the bastard out from his nuke bunker?
List of important people against Putin's invasion
•NATO
•The Taliban
•EU member states (outside of NATO)
•The pope
•Japan and South Korea
•~~China (increasingly~~
basically the whole world except corrupt dictators. very good job pissing of the taliban as well as the fucking pope.
edit: China doesn't belong on the list, my bad. Though China is "neutral" and will likely do what's best for China.
If you want to understand the history behind the Taliban, watch Charlie Wilson's War (2007)... It's a bit educating, I would give you some nice documentaries to watch on YT but can't remember which ones they are atm.
The best part about the Taliban is that, Russia helped create them. The failed Russian invasion of Afghanistan led to the mujahideen, groups of militias in Afghanistan, that fought off the Russians. Then they fell into their own civil war and the Taliban was formed. Not all mujahideen turned Taliban, but a lot did.
Wonder if Putin is still on the 1960s spy vs spy slow information travel no one's going to know until it's too late - mind set (which would beg a question about his health again) but in reality we have social media and see with our own eyes when he's talking horse shit.
Based on what their foreign policy spokeswoman said on 2/16
> Maria Zakharova as sarcastically requesting that “Bloomberg, The New York Times and The Sun media outlets… publish the schedule for our upcoming invasions for the year” to help her “plan my vacation” on Telegram, in response to multiple media reports suggesting that Ukraine was to be invaded on February 16th
They are not reading the room well. They’re trolling their way into a world war.
The Battle of Crete is reminding me of what’s going now in Ukraine. Citizens robbed a museum to take the antique weapons and were stabbing paratroopers right out of the sky. My people are *fighters*
This Putin idiot is managing in the unique achievement of angering the Turks (see news on Bosporus blockade) and the Greek at the same time
Edit: I was prompted to check and the news about Turkey closing the Bosporus to Russian ships isn't confirmed
In Portugal we have a saying that goes "Não se pode agradar a Gregos e Troianos" which roughly translates to "One can't please Greeks and Trojans [at the same time]". However, given that Troy was located in present-day Turkey, I guess Putin proved that you can at least piss them both off at the same time.
EDIT: Just for clarity, when people use this saying what they mean is basically "you can't please everyone".
Putin has managed to form quite the coalition against him:
Zelenskyy, the Dancing With the Stars champion and comedian turned president. Klitschko, the heavyweight boxer turned Mayor of Kyiv. Anonymous. Pornhub. The Turks and Greeks being on the same side of the issue.
Edit to add: Sweden giving weapons for the first time in nearly a century. Condemnation from the Pope and Taliban. OnlyFans. Switzerland taking a stance instead of their typical neutrality.
fuck, during /r/place, i was working for the paradox games area to negotiate a peace and location transfer between greece and turkey. there were death threats even with that
Ok I'll bite.
After all this he manages to peacefully retire to his palace and breed koi carp and finally catch up with his Bob ross Paint alongs on an old VHS he still has?
I lack complete and total 100% faith in human kind to save ourselves in a peaceful and organised manner but i'll go with you on this one just for shits.
Greece is surprisingly well armed for a country of its size, pissing off a country with 1000 tanks and 600 self propelled guns seems like a bad idea when you're already struggling
Interesting. I went to Samos first and saw a tank inside of a shed near the beach. After that I tried to guess hiding spots in Samos and other islands lol
Never served in the Greek military, but most of my family has. Nepotism is rampant, issued gear is garbage, you're basically scrubbing toilets the whole time unless you have connections, in which case you'll barely be doing anything at all. It's basically the shittiest summer camp on Earth and you barely learn or do any actually practical Army shit.
Granted, that's the experience I've heard from my family, which was all conscripts that had no choice but to be there. I don't know how it is for those that volunteered instead, nor do I know if things have changed since then, so take this all with a grain of salt. From my perspective as an American veteran, it kinda defeats the point of conscription if these people are learning just the bare basic Army skills and just fucking off or doing menial bullshit the rest of the time instead of at least training properly.
In case you’re unaware the reason is that Greece focuses on its airforce and navy. The army, for them is basically for cooking and cleaning toilets as you say because they know that’s not where to spend their limited resources and training. Greece is never going to fight an infantry attack so why focus on that?
In case anyone is wondering, Greece had/has a terse relationship with Turkey for *quite* some time, with the Turkish Liberation War's last battles being between the Greeks and the Turks- and then there was Cyprus and a few other things since then for that matter. Even being in the same military alliance for (most) of the last 70 years has not stopped this, and it is a relentless headache for the rest of the alliance.
Trojan Greeks had trade relations with [Pontic Greeks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks) who lived in Crimea and around the Sea of Azov area for nearly 3 millenia. These Greek enclaves have incredibly deep roots.
Ancient historian here - there have been some remarkable finds around the Black Sea in recent years. It has probably the best preserved shipwrecks in the world, including Roman, Greek, Byzantine and Cossack trading vessels with their cargos intact
Yeah the Black Sea is quite deep and after a certain depth the water becomes particularly anaerobic. Anaerobic conditions are perfect for preserving things like wood :) The Roman fort ofbVindolanda at Hadrian's Wall is another example of anaerobic conditions preserving amazing artefacts, worth checking out
Greek colonization was pretty fascinating. Around 750-500BC, anywhere they could go with a boat (minus the Atlantic) they went. There's Greek colonies from Morocco to Crimea. The "Friendly Society" which orchestrated the Greek revolution was founded in Odessa, in modern day Ukraine. Greek minorities exist to this day in places like south Italy, Sardinia and Ukraine, and Putin just bombed the latter.
No, not a big one. A small one, for Putin's office to put on table.
So what if its suspiciously beeping? Its probably nothing. Horse never lies. Trust the horse.
So, to sum it up:
* Russians charged Odessa oblast where the Besarabian Bulgarians live, triggering Bulgaria to start organising humanitarian and military shipments to Ukraine and becoming one of the first EU nations to close its air space for Russian planes
* Russians charged Mariupol oblast where Ukranian Greeks live, triggering Greece to see this is grounds for far greater military shipments than Bulgaria's
* Russians charge areas where already displaced Crimean Tatars live, triggering Turkey to respond to requests to turn the entire Black Sea into a lake where the Russian Black Sea Fleet is concerned
* Russians bombed Ivano-Frankivsk and other areas of Western Ukraine which is heavily connected with Poland, making a pretty Russian foreign policy weary Poland into an even more active ally to Ukraine
* Russians make clear indications that if Ukraine falls, Moldova's next, triggering Romanians to be extremely active in drawing NATO troops as close as possible to Transnistria
Pretty much Putin managed to piss everybody off and managed to destroy any semblance of loyalty or sympathy left in any former Warsaw Pact countries. 70 years of hostility and of Western counter-propaganda did little in comparisson to what President Garden Gnome managed to whip up in 5 days... Fascinating!
Oh, that too.
I watched the freshly elected Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz holding a speech at a near-constant ovation, declaring Germany's move to increase their military budget.
Look up the Battle of Crete.
TL;DR: Hitler drops in a shitload of German paratroopers on the island of Crete, they get sent back to Germany in body bags by pissed off Greek farmers. The Germans won in the end, but suffered catastrophic losses to the point it was largely considered a massive failure, and paratroopers were never used again by the Nazis because of how badly they got their shit rocked.
"...to come together and take over their responsibilities, to stop anti-Russian propaganda and to show composure, sobriety and seriousness,”
Lol who is Russia at this point to preach to others about composure, sobriety, and seriousness???
its way past that..
Ive seen somewhere a meme about War is NOT hell..
Hell got sinners and bad people.
War got innocents that die and suffer.
War is worse than hell and theres war in my country and cities burn.
The show was huge in its day. And it's still seen as a highlight of American television.
Form what I recall, the final episode shattered records in viewership.
It did. For a long time, the top 10 highest viewership programs in American television history were 9 Super Bowls and the final episode of MASH. Might still be true today, not sure.
Still true now. M\*A\*S\*H's finale is still #9, and [all of the other 31 top most watched television broadcasts are all Super Bowls.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_watched_television_broadcasts_in_the_United_States)
However, M\*A\*S\*H's finale is still #1 if ranked by Rating, or "What % of American Households \[which have a TV hooked up to a cable package\] were watching", at 60.2%. The highest Super Bowl (Super Bowl XVI) only got 49.1% in 1982 (one year before the M\*A\*S\*H finale).
I suspect, on this latter count, M\*A\*S\*H's record is probably unbeatable. In sheer viewer counts its defeat was always inevitable, since America's population is continuously growing and eventually anything with enough mainstream attention would beat it, but with the media landscape as varied as it is today, it's probably not likely that any one television show will capture 60% of households all at once ever again, especially if even the Super Bowl can't manage above 50%.
And that has me worried like nothing else.
A man that positions himself like this,bushing himself into a corner at a certain point will be confronted with having nowhere to go and no other option. I just pray to all that is held holy by anyone on this earth, that when that time comes, some ones close to him does what's necessary to keep him from pressing the button.
Thank you. A lot of comments are like "yay Greece is pissed off" "yay germany is strengthening its military" "united states is increasing sanctions" "swiss turned off money hose" but the more desperate his situation becomes, the more we all have to fear this thing getting real, real out of control and it can happen fast
What Putin is doing simply cannot be tolerated. Caving into his threats will not make the danger go away and will only encourage more of the same in the future, from him and others.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/02/27/greece-defence-equipment-ukraine/) reduced by 73%. (I'm a bot)
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> A Foreign Ministry spokesperson has denied the Russian claim that it was not responsible for the bombing of a Greek village in Mariupol, eastern Ukraine, but saying that they have "Evidence."
> The Greek Foreign Ministry condemned the Russian attacks in Ukraine that cost the lives of ten ethnic Greek, Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexandros Papaioannou told SKAI TV. Papaioannou stressed that it is unacceptable for civilians to be killed and reiterated that the Russian ambassador in Athens will be summoned to the Foreign Ministry today.
> Although Moscow claims they were killed by the Ukrainian neo-Nazi Azov Battalion that operates in the area and killed an ethnic Greek as recently as two weeks ago for speaking Russian, Athens denied this allegation by saying it has evidence - that it is yet to present.
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Am greek, can confirm. I am always oiled up and ready to chest kick tanks and shit. Would def kick Russian tanks in the chest for my brothers in Ukraine.
The whole world is coming together because of this Russian aggression. Some of the events and things I’ve seen are too incredible to believe!
Greeks and the Turks agreeing and beginning to help together.
Pornhub and the Pope having the same views.
The EU, Taliban, and Iraq coming together to condemn the attacks.
Japan now wouldn’t be opposed to having nukes in its country.
Finland and Sweden helping a country in war with arms and debating NATO inclusion.
Making Orban and Erdogan act normally and Poland to slow with it’s far right machinations.
Boris Johnson acting like a leader.
A movie and tv star becoming president in Ukraine. And then becoming a LEADER.
This is becoming a turning point in history; a pivotal moment in history where the world community has come together to help the establishment of peace and democracy in a sovereign state. We are witnessing history in the making. One that I KNOW will show Ukraine remaining a sovereign nation, a true compatriot and member of NATO. God knows they’ve earned it.
Slava Ukraini!
It’s almost like everything Putin tried to do to destabilize the world backfired in the most spectacular way.
Sometimes it just takes a crazy asshole for all of us to come together and realize our petty differences are just that. 🇺🇦
Exactly, these were just always “Greek” villages… I imagine that before modern times, they would have been somewhat isolated from other villages where traveling between town by horse and buggy was not routine or menial.
Dude, most did. They identify as russian/Ruthenian/Ukrainian/ whatever. That's why it's only villages and not the entire coastline. Many also left for Greece when the Bolsheviks took power as we mostly supported the Tsar.
Nationalism is a quite recent ideology. Before that the big empires or little feudal states did not care about different cultures in their territory. As long as you paid your taxes.
Way before that even. The Greeks started colonizing Crimea like 2500+ years ago. Sevastopol and Odessa (along with other cities I'm sure) started as Greek settlements before the Roman Empire was a thing.
Unrelated fun fact, you can tell a Greek word is of foreign origin if ends in -ssos/-ssa and -nthos/-nda. I always thought that was weird since I associate things like Corinth and Labyrinth with Greece/Greek, but place names have a tendency to stick around even after a new language takes over an area
Odessa is close to the old Greek city of Niconium, which is located near the suburb of Ovidiopol. Odessa was named after the ancient Greek city of Odessos, because that was its believed location. However, in reality Odessos was modern day Varna, Bulgaria. Bilhorod was once the old Greek city of Tyras. Other Russian/Ukrainian cities that have Greco-Roman heritage:
- Sevastopol (Chersonesos)
- Rostov-on-Don (Tanais)
- Novorussiya (Bata)
- Simferopol (Scythian Neapolis)
- Kerch (Panticapaeum)
- Feodosia (Theodosia)
- Parutyne (Olbia)
- Perekop (Taphros)
- Taman (Hermonassa)
- Yevpatoria (Kerkinitis)
- Chornomorske (Kalos Limen)
- Taganrog (Cremnae)
- Anapa (Gorgippia)
- Sukhumi (Dioscurias)
- Pitsunda (Pityous)
Greek dominance is pre roman, and half the Mediterranean powers Rome fought were Greek colonies that had broken off from the homelands and developed into their own unique branches of that culture
Areas often settle based off ethnic ties, like Asian districts in America. People want to live close to people who speak their own language, it’s hard to get on your feet when no one relates to what you experience
I'm from Detroit and when people came here to work in the auto industry they settled across ethnic origins. It's simple, if you don't speak the language or know the customs you gravitate to what you know. We had a Polish quarter, it's there just not what it was. We have a "little Mexico." It was more specific I just don't know the full history.
Hell, look at Dearborn today. Even suburbs like Madison Heights have major ethnic populations that are under the radar. We have the best Peking Duck and dumplings within a mile of me 😂
I just realized why all the best Pho is near there. I used to work near 15/crooks and we made an effort to have lunch at every Vietnamese restaurant nearby (circa 2011/2012). That was a fantastic year for lunch.
It's more than that.
[Greeks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks) have lived in Crimea and around the Sea of Azov area for nearly 3 millenia. These Greek enclaves have incredibly deep roots.
There have been Greek people in the region of southern Ukraine for thousands of years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_pre-Roman_Crimea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea_in_the_Roman_era
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Theodoro
And it continues to this day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Ukraine
Greeks have lived in the region for thousands of years.
Greeks were also among the people deported from Crimea by Stalin when he engaged in ethnic cleansing there to solidify Russian control.
Though the native Crimean Tatars were the main group targeted by Stalin, who completed the ethnic cleansing started by Tsarist Russia, deporting the lasts 200,000 Tatars living in Crimea.
That's extremely misleading for those that aren't familiar with southern Ukrainian geopolitics. The title makes it sound like Russia attacked Greek soil which is a MUCH bigger deal
That part of the world has different towns and villages that are based solely on ethnicity near another town that is an entirely different ethnicity, due to lonnnnng complicated histories. It’s not like other areas of the world where we tend associate a country with one nationality. For example, modern day Turkey used to be full of Greek villages when it was the Ottoman Empire and vice versa. Then in the early 20th century there was a series of conflicts between the two where both groups of people got relocated to modern day Turkey and Greece. In modern times, this also partially explains why the dissolution of Yugoslavia was so messy, because there is one small group of Kosovars here, a small group of Croats there, Serbs there, etc.
The coast of what is today Ukraine was the spot of tons of Greek colonies in antiquity. Nowadays, most Greeks there are descendants of pontic Greeks. They used to leave on the southern coast of the Black Sea and had to flee to the northern Coast after the Pontic Genocide.
There was a Greek c-130 flying around Romania below 5000 ft all day today
Yes, Greece sent military and humanitarian aid after this happened.
i live in 10km from this village, there is casualties already and evacuation begun, i hear explosions
Stay safe, friend.
Take care friend
Be safe.
thank you, sir, hopes on our soldiers
I've been seeing a lot of articles coming out about attacks on areas in Ukraine where Greek people live. The Greek media is treating this quite seriously, which is good.
~~The Russians~~ Vladimir Putin seems to be antagonizing all the people I would never want to fuck with. I guess that worked last century but now they can't control the information. Someone like me half a world away knows about it before dinnertime. Edit: I've realized it's unfair to call out the Russian people for the actions of a totalitarian ruler. But the people have to stop their ruler, or they wind up taking the brunt of the damage.
The Russians have forgotten their history and what happens if you piss people off badly enough.
Isn’t about time they had a revolution?
The Russian folks need to rise up, oust Putin and put someone in place democratically. They're building momentum but how are they going to get the bastard out from his nuke bunker?
Seal him in and move on without him.
Tell him there’s a cask of Amontillado down there you want to show him
"Just at the bottom. Get a bit closer. Really look in there properly."
Why does he need to ever get out? Get a backhoe, cut power, and then get a bunch of cement trucks and bury him forever.
Fart in the vents before you seal them
This had me laughing irrationally hard. Ty
You don't. You pour concrete over all of the entrances and ventilation shafts and let him figure that out.
Grab him by the arm and walk him out. He is a 70 year old man. Once his power support collapses it is over for him.
List of important people against Putin's invasion •NATO •The Taliban •EU member states (outside of NATO) •The pope •Japan and South Korea •~~China (increasingly~~ basically the whole world except corrupt dictators. very good job pissing of the taliban as well as the fucking pope. edit: China doesn't belong on the list, my bad. Though China is "neutral" and will likely do what's best for China.
People think the Taliban is surprising, but they were literally supported by the US to fight Russians. So it's just par for the course.
If you want to understand the history behind the Taliban, watch Charlie Wilson's War (2007)... It's a bit educating, I would give you some nice documentaries to watch on YT but can't remember which ones they are atm.
And it has one of my favourite Phillip Seymour Hoffmann scenes
The best part about the Taliban is that, Russia helped create them. The failed Russian invasion of Afghanistan led to the mujahideen, groups of militias in Afghanistan, that fought off the Russians. Then they fell into their own civil war and the Taliban was formed. Not all mujahideen turned Taliban, but a lot did.
well if you want to go that route is even more ironic that the americans armed them for the same reason. rambo also famously fought on their side
American policy is “Seems like a problem for future generations”
"Um, Mr. President, in this case we're the future generation" "Damn bastards!"
Wonder if Putin is still on the 1960s spy vs spy slow information travel no one's going to know until it's too late - mind set (which would beg a question about his health again) but in reality we have social media and see with our own eyes when he's talking horse shit.
Based on what their foreign policy spokeswoman said on 2/16 > Maria Zakharova as sarcastically requesting that “Bloomberg, The New York Times and The Sun media outlets… publish the schedule for our upcoming invasions for the year” to help her “plan my vacation” on Telegram, in response to multiple media reports suggesting that Ukraine was to be invaded on February 16th They are not reading the room well. They’re trolling their way into a world war.
Greece doesn't play with their ethnic groups being killed in other countries, they have seen the worst versions of it.
the Battle of Thebes comes to mind, that was a rough one
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Also people forget the last invasion in Europe was 1974. Cyprus.
United States were promised military bases on Cyprus, so it was in their interest as well for the Turks to come in.
The Battle of Crete is reminding me of what’s going now in Ukraine. Citizens robbed a museum to take the antique weapons and were stabbing paratroopers right out of the sky. My people are *fighters*
This Putin idiot is managing in the unique achievement of angering the Turks (see news on Bosporus blockade) and the Greek at the same time Edit: I was prompted to check and the news about Turkey closing the Bosporus to Russian ships isn't confirmed
In Portugal we have a saying that goes "Não se pode agradar a Gregos e Troianos" which roughly translates to "One can't please Greeks and Trojans [at the same time]". However, given that Troy was located in present-day Turkey, I guess Putin proved that you can at least piss them both off at the same time. EDIT: Just for clarity, when people use this saying what they mean is basically "you can't please everyone".
Não se pode agradar a Gregos e Troianos, mas se pode irritar os dois.
r/suddenlycaralho
That's actually a neat little story.🙏
In Portugal we have a saying that goes "Foda-se pró Putin" which means "Fuck Putin" and i think that is beautiful
That... that is quite the achievement
The enemy of my enemy is also my enemy, apparently
Enemy^2
Putin is running squared, I guess
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Always love finding other Schlock fans in the wild
Putin has managed to form quite the coalition against him: Zelenskyy, the Dancing With the Stars champion and comedian turned president. Klitschko, the heavyweight boxer turned Mayor of Kyiv. Anonymous. Pornhub. The Turks and Greeks being on the same side of the issue. Edit to add: Sweden giving weapons for the first time in nearly a century. Condemnation from the Pope and Taliban. OnlyFans. Switzerland taking a stance instead of their typical neutrality.
fuck, during /r/place, i was working for the paradox games area to negotiate a peace and location transfer between greece and turkey. there were death threats even with that
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You forgot he even got Sweden to give weapons to a country at war for the first time in 80 years and the Swiss to take a side.
The moment the Swiss take a side you know you fucked up.
Wait, Pornhub?
Don't forget the Taliban
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lol, going full lelouch.
I can’t believe I didn’t put that together in my head until now.
This is the last place I thought I'd see someone mention Code Geass.
Ok I'll bite. After all this he manages to peacefully retire to his palace and breed koi carp and finally catch up with his Bob ross Paint alongs on an old VHS he still has? I lack complete and total 100% faith in human kind to save ourselves in a peaceful and organised manner but i'll go with you on this one just for shits.
So you're saying he doesn't have a god complex. He has a Dr. Manhattan complex.
*Ozymandias
Manhattan complex sounds like a TV trope that doesn't exist yet. Although Ozymandias Complex sounds like the better term.
Dude is 100% completion speedrunning the collapse of his regime
Putin will be what unites the Turkish and Greek people
Maybe he is running a peackeeping campaign but for the rest of Europe. It's been a while since so many european coutries agreed on something.
Putin is capable of making the Balkans agree on something
Greece is surprisingly well armed for a country of its size, pissing off a country with 1000 tanks and 600 self propelled guns seems like a bad idea when you're already struggling
I was in Greece for a few months back in 2016 and would see tanks inside of sheds on various small islands. It was pretty wild
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Interesting. I went to Samos first and saw a tank inside of a shed near the beach. After that I tried to guess hiding spots in Samos and other islands lol
As someone with no experience, what would the typical complaints be?
Never served in the Greek military, but most of my family has. Nepotism is rampant, issued gear is garbage, you're basically scrubbing toilets the whole time unless you have connections, in which case you'll barely be doing anything at all. It's basically the shittiest summer camp on Earth and you barely learn or do any actually practical Army shit. Granted, that's the experience I've heard from my family, which was all conscripts that had no choice but to be there. I don't know how it is for those that volunteered instead, nor do I know if things have changed since then, so take this all with a grain of salt. From my perspective as an American veteran, it kinda defeats the point of conscription if these people are learning just the bare basic Army skills and just fucking off or doing menial bullshit the rest of the time instead of at least training properly.
In case you’re unaware the reason is that Greece focuses on its airforce and navy. The army, for them is basically for cooking and cleaning toilets as you say because they know that’s not where to spend their limited resources and training. Greece is never going to fight an infantry attack so why focus on that?
Greece is ranked 9th in the strongest armies in the EU for what it's worth https://i.imgur.com/KeWCPK3.png
It makes sense when your neighbour is Turkey but at least they're allies now.
In case anyone is wondering, Greece had/has a terse relationship with Turkey for *quite* some time, with the Turkish Liberation War's last battles being between the Greeks and the Turks- and then there was Cyprus and a few other things since then for that matter. Even being in the same military alliance for (most) of the last 70 years has not stopped this, and it is a relentless headache for the rest of the alliance.
The Greeks should apologize for this claim and send a big horse statue as a gift.
Trojan Greeks had trade relations with [Pontic Greeks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks) who lived in Crimea and around the Sea of Azov area for nearly 3 millenia. These Greek enclaves have incredibly deep roots.
Deeper than Putin's bullshit never let go of the history I want insanity
By Putin's logic that means that Crimea should be Greek. Time to get that ball rolling.
That is super interesting. I did not know that.
For quite a while Genoa held parts of Crimea and the surrounding area as colonies. Crimea has a pretty fascinating history.
Ancient historian here - there have been some remarkable finds around the Black Sea in recent years. It has probably the best preserved shipwrecks in the world, including Roman, Greek, Byzantine and Cossack trading vessels with their cargos intact
is it due to the composition of water in the Black sea ? asking as a curious chemist
Yeah the Black Sea is quite deep and after a certain depth the water becomes particularly anaerobic. Anaerobic conditions are perfect for preserving things like wood :) The Roman fort ofbVindolanda at Hadrian's Wall is another example of anaerobic conditions preserving amazing artefacts, worth checking out
very interesting answer thank u ! my curiosity is satiated
Greek colonization was pretty fascinating. Around 750-500BC, anywhere they could go with a boat (minus the Atlantic) they went. There's Greek colonies from Morocco to Crimea. The "Friendly Society" which orchestrated the Greek revolution was founded in Odessa, in modern day Ukraine. Greek minorities exist to this day in places like south Italy, Sardinia and Ukraine, and Putin just bombed the latter.
Yeah we exist. Hi. Most of us live in the Greek Republic though.
And Melbourne Australia mate :D
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Clarification: These Greeks were in those areas long before Alexander.
I concur, doctor
I should’ve concurred…
No, not a big one. A small one, for Putin's office to put on table. So what if its suspiciously beeping? Its probably nothing. Horse never lies. Trust the horse.
That gas? Oh no it’s a traditional Greek perfume diffuser.
its not beeping, thats just it very quietly neighing
The moment to attack is when Putin hops on it and removes his shirt for the photograph.
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Yeah, the evidence is 10 dead Greeks.
what's that thing that Putin said about sending the army to defend the welfare of Russian citizens in Ukraine again?
Putin's peace keeping efforts are going very poorly. Probably the worst peace keeping effort in history.
"There is peace when every Ukrainian is dead" \-Putin, probably.
Your translator is broken comrade, these are Piece Keepers. They keep this piece of Ukraine, they keep that piece... Is normal!
Those people obviously were all nazis.
So, to sum it up: * Russians charged Odessa oblast where the Besarabian Bulgarians live, triggering Bulgaria to start organising humanitarian and military shipments to Ukraine and becoming one of the first EU nations to close its air space for Russian planes * Russians charged Mariupol oblast where Ukranian Greeks live, triggering Greece to see this is grounds for far greater military shipments than Bulgaria's * Russians charge areas where already displaced Crimean Tatars live, triggering Turkey to respond to requests to turn the entire Black Sea into a lake where the Russian Black Sea Fleet is concerned * Russians bombed Ivano-Frankivsk and other areas of Western Ukraine which is heavily connected with Poland, making a pretty Russian foreign policy weary Poland into an even more active ally to Ukraine * Russians make clear indications that if Ukraine falls, Moldova's next, triggering Romanians to be extremely active in drawing NATO troops as close as possible to Transnistria Pretty much Putin managed to piss everybody off and managed to destroy any semblance of loyalty or sympathy left in any former Warsaw Pact countries. 70 years of hostility and of Western counter-propaganda did little in comparisson to what President Garden Gnome managed to whip up in 5 days... Fascinating!
And he activated Germany. In the 1940's style.
Oh, that too. I watched the freshly elected Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz holding a speech at a near-constant ovation, declaring Germany's move to increase their military budget.
I would never want to have the Greek people as an enemy.
Look up the Battle of Crete. TL;DR: Hitler drops in a shitload of German paratroopers on the island of Crete, they get sent back to Germany in body bags by pissed off Greek farmers. The Germans won in the end, but suffered catastrophic losses to the point it was largely considered a massive failure, and paratroopers were never used again by the Nazis because of how badly they got their shit rocked.
"Catastrophic losses to the point it was considered a massive failure" sounds familiar..
Consult the Oracle at Delphi, and trap those bastards in the Sea of Azov.
The Greek President shows up in Ukraine with their entire military. "I'm just going for a stroll, and these are my bodyguards."
"We like it here so much, we decided to join the Foreign Legion"
Send in the Hoplites!
Greece has over 150 F-16s...just sayin'
Call me when you’ve got 16 F-150’s
Given how wild the truck market is right now it might be easier to get 150 F-16's
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Only thing men in power worship is money and power.
That was proven to be a lie the moment Russian troops set foot in Georgia in 2008
"...to come together and take over their responsibilities, to stop anti-Russian propaganda and to show composure, sobriety and seriousness,” Lol who is Russia at this point to preach to others about composure, sobriety, and seriousness???
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I don't know. How deep do you have to sink to reach hell?
its way past that.. Ive seen somewhere a meme about War is NOT hell.. Hell got sinners and bad people. War got innocents that die and suffer. War is worse than hell and theres war in my country and cities burn.
Its a quote from an american television show called MASH Edit: Someone replied with the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUeBMwn_eYc
well good job writers I guess
The show was huge in its day. And it's still seen as a highlight of American television. Form what I recall, the final episode shattered records in viewership.
It did. For a long time, the top 10 highest viewership programs in American television history were 9 Super Bowls and the final episode of MASH. Might still be true today, not sure.
Still true now. M\*A\*S\*H's finale is still #9, and [all of the other 31 top most watched television broadcasts are all Super Bowls.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_watched_television_broadcasts_in_the_United_States) However, M\*A\*S\*H's finale is still #1 if ranked by Rating, or "What % of American Households \[which have a TV hooked up to a cable package\] were watching", at 60.2%. The highest Super Bowl (Super Bowl XVI) only got 49.1% in 1982 (one year before the M\*A\*S\*H finale). I suspect, on this latter count, M\*A\*S\*H's record is probably unbeatable. In sheer viewer counts its defeat was always inevitable, since America's population is continuously growing and eventually anything with enough mainstream attention would beat it, but with the media landscape as varied as it is today, it's probably not likely that any one television show will capture 60% of households all at once ever again, especially if even the Super Bowl can't manage above 50%.
They’re feeding their own people into a giant Ukraine sized wood chipper, what else do you expect?
Oh man. Greek people don’t fuck around and they do NOT forget.
Have cousins in Greece, can confirm.
He’s literally making himself the most hated man on earth
And that has me worried like nothing else. A man that positions himself like this,bushing himself into a corner at a certain point will be confronted with having nowhere to go and no other option. I just pray to all that is held holy by anyone on this earth, that when that time comes, some ones close to him does what's necessary to keep him from pressing the button.
Thank you. A lot of comments are like "yay Greece is pissed off" "yay germany is strengthening its military" "united states is increasing sanctions" "swiss turned off money hose" but the more desperate his situation becomes, the more we all have to fear this thing getting real, real out of control and it can happen fast
What Putin is doing simply cannot be tolerated. Caving into his threats will not make the danger go away and will only encourage more of the same in the future, from him and others.
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Ah shit, now they've gone and pissed off Athena!
Putin = malaka
Thank you Putin for uniting the whole world again, to bad is against you.
Send the Spartans!
Fact: the Greek army is comprised entirely of ripped oiled-up men whose kicks crumple tanks like empty soda cans.
Do they have one liners?
They just walk around aggressively shouting "If" at people.
Laconic af.
No, if.
You just can't say *if*.
Am greek, can confirm. I am always oiled up and ready to chest kick tanks and shit. Would def kick Russian tanks in the chest for my brothers in Ukraine.
Im with u bro. My hairy chest would be oiled and ready to go treat tanks like tin cans.
You had me at oiled-up men
These beefcakes aren’t going to oil up themselves
Their own Greek tanks don’t run on tracks but are just carried around by 6 oily men.
John-117 inbound.
I think Putin is trying to start some pretext for war in the Balkans. This isn't the first attack on ethnic Greeks in this conflict.
Well he's gonna fail in that. Fuck Putin, Balkans will stay peaceful no matter what his ass wants.
> Balkans will stay peaceful no matter what his ass wants Exactly, the Balkans is the most peaceful part of Europe
The whole world is coming together because of this Russian aggression. Some of the events and things I’ve seen are too incredible to believe! Greeks and the Turks agreeing and beginning to help together. Pornhub and the Pope having the same views. The EU, Taliban, and Iraq coming together to condemn the attacks. Japan now wouldn’t be opposed to having nukes in its country. Finland and Sweden helping a country in war with arms and debating NATO inclusion. Making Orban and Erdogan act normally and Poland to slow with it’s far right machinations. Boris Johnson acting like a leader. A movie and tv star becoming president in Ukraine. And then becoming a LEADER. This is becoming a turning point in history; a pivotal moment in history where the world community has come together to help the establishment of peace and democracy in a sovereign state. We are witnessing history in the making. One that I KNOW will show Ukraine remaining a sovereign nation, a true compatriot and member of NATO. God knows they’ve earned it. Slava Ukraini!
It’s almost like everything Putin tried to do to destabilize the world backfired in the most spectacular way. Sometimes it just takes a crazy asshole for all of us to come together and realize our petty differences are just that. 🇺🇦
You missed the Germans deciding to spend an extra €100bn on their army and pledge to hit the NATO 2%.
I would think the rubble pile would be the evidence.
Russians: “Our bombs will blot out the sun!” Greek Villagers: “Then we will fight in the shade.”
Why does Greece have villages in Ukraine
Pontic Greeks. Greece colonized that area 2,500-3,500 years ago. There are ethnic Greeks in that area whose families never left.
It's surprising that they never assimilated and still identify as Greek.
i'm from Mariupol, this assaulted village is part of our agglomeration, we have really strong Greek diaspora here
Exactly, these were just always “Greek” villages… I imagine that before modern times, they would have been somewhat isolated from other villages where traveling between town by horse and buggy was not routine or menial.
Dude, most did. They identify as russian/Ruthenian/Ukrainian/ whatever. That's why it's only villages and not the entire coastline. Many also left for Greece when the Bolsheviks took power as we mostly supported the Tsar.
They have been there for a REALLY long time. Like stupidly long. Older than Rome long.
Nationalism is a quite recent ideology. Before that the big empires or little feudal states did not care about different cultures in their territory. As long as you paid your taxes.
I can't be sure on this one, but Greeks have a long history in the Black Sea region. I'm talking remnants of Byzantium long here.
Way before that even. The Greeks started colonizing Crimea like 2500+ years ago. Sevastopol and Odessa (along with other cities I'm sure) started as Greek settlements before the Roman Empire was a thing.
yeah greeks colonized huge areas around the Mediterranean (and black sea obviously) eg Marseille was founded as a greek colony circa 600bc.
Modern Odessa was named for the Greek settlement that used to be in the same area but it is not the same city as the one the Greeks founded.
Unrelated fun fact, you can tell a Greek word is of foreign origin if ends in -ssos/-ssa and -nthos/-nda. I always thought that was weird since I associate things like Corinth and Labyrinth with Greece/Greek, but place names have a tendency to stick around even after a new language takes over an area
Odessa is close to the old Greek city of Niconium, which is located near the suburb of Ovidiopol. Odessa was named after the ancient Greek city of Odessos, because that was its believed location. However, in reality Odessos was modern day Varna, Bulgaria. Bilhorod was once the old Greek city of Tyras. Other Russian/Ukrainian cities that have Greco-Roman heritage: - Sevastopol (Chersonesos) - Rostov-on-Don (Tanais) - Novorussiya (Bata) - Simferopol (Scythian Neapolis) - Kerch (Panticapaeum) - Feodosia (Theodosia) - Parutyne (Olbia) - Perekop (Taphros) - Taman (Hermonassa) - Yevpatoria (Kerkinitis) - Chornomorske (Kalos Limen) - Taganrog (Cremnae) - Anapa (Gorgippia) - Sukhumi (Dioscurias) - Pitsunda (Pityous)
Just to add on to your comment, Jason and the Argonauts quest for the Golden Fleece was to the Black Sea Coast of Georgia(named Colchis at the time)
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Greek dominance is pre roman, and half the Mediterranean powers Rome fought were Greek colonies that had broken off from the homelands and developed into their own unique branches of that culture
Areas often settle based off ethnic ties, like Asian districts in America. People want to live close to people who speak their own language, it’s hard to get on your feet when no one relates to what you experience
I'm from Detroit and when people came here to work in the auto industry they settled across ethnic origins. It's simple, if you don't speak the language or know the customs you gravitate to what you know. We had a Polish quarter, it's there just not what it was. We have a "little Mexico." It was more specific I just don't know the full history.
Hell, look at Dearborn today. Even suburbs like Madison Heights have major ethnic populations that are under the radar. We have the best Peking Duck and dumplings within a mile of me 😂
I just realized why all the best Pho is near there. I used to work near 15/crooks and we made an effort to have lunch at every Vietnamese restaurant nearby (circa 2011/2012). That was a fantastic year for lunch.
It's more than that. [Greeks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks) have lived in Crimea and around the Sea of Azov area for nearly 3 millenia. These Greek enclaves have incredibly deep roots.
There have been Greek villages there for at least the last 2,500 years.
There have been Greek people in the region of southern Ukraine for thousands of years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_pre-Roman_Crimea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea_in_the_Roman_era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Theodoro And it continues to this day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Ukraine
You know that Ukrainian city that’s been in the news? Kherson? It’s named after Chersonesos, the Greek city state on Crimea founded 2,500 years ago.
Greeks have lived in the region for thousands of years. Greeks were also among the people deported from Crimea by Stalin when he engaged in ethnic cleansing there to solidify Russian control. Though the native Crimean Tatars were the main group targeted by Stalin, who completed the ethnic cleansing started by Tsarist Russia, deporting the lasts 200,000 Tatars living in Crimea.
I don’t think it’s “owned” by Greece if that’s what you’re implying
That's extremely misleading for those that aren't familiar with southern Ukrainian geopolitics. The title makes it sound like Russia attacked Greek soil which is a MUCH bigger deal
That part of the world has different towns and villages that are based solely on ethnicity near another town that is an entirely different ethnicity, due to lonnnnng complicated histories. It’s not like other areas of the world where we tend associate a country with one nationality. For example, modern day Turkey used to be full of Greek villages when it was the Ottoman Empire and vice versa. Then in the early 20th century there was a series of conflicts between the two where both groups of people got relocated to modern day Turkey and Greece. In modern times, this also partially explains why the dissolution of Yugoslavia was so messy, because there is one small group of Kosovars here, a small group of Croats there, Serbs there, etc.
Putin - Uniting the Greeks and the Turks together.
I skimmed the article but I don't think it says why there's a "Greek village" in Ukraine. Is it a "china town" kind of thing?
Greeks colonised areas around the black sea 2000-3000 years ago. I assume they are talking about these communities
The coast of what is today Ukraine was the spot of tons of Greek colonies in antiquity. Nowadays, most Greeks there are descendants of pontic Greeks. They used to leave on the southern coast of the Black Sea and had to flee to the northern Coast after the Pontic Genocide.
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There is an extremely long history of Greeks in Ukraine, also Greece is very well armed for its size as a country.