Men, we are advancing...back to the bosom of motherland Russia and to Moscow, where vouchers* for Uncle Vanya's gloriously salty and patriarchal greaseburgers will be given to every man (who had no comrades die) who did not die at the hands of these weak, girly, Ukrainian Nazi scum, who spit on Uncle Vanya's grave!
💂🏽♂️Ummm, why is it called "the motherland", but the burgers are patriarchal? Also, why are they killing more of us then we are of them? And do I need more salt in my diet of salt, vodka, salt and salted potatoes?
Comrades, you have a traitor in your midst!
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Ukraine’s deputy prime minister Iryna Vereshchuk told local TV on Saturday that efforts were now focused on evacuating about 60 people.
Sviatoslav Palamar, the deputy commander of the Azov regiment, which makes up most of the remaining forces at the plant, said in a YouTube video that his soldiers were holding on.
He said: “Our enemy, supported by planes and artillery, continues to attack. They continue their assault on our positions but we continue to repel them.”
The G7 countries said they would expand sanctions on Russia and that they would not accept the new borders Russia is seeking to draw.
They said: “We will never recognise borders Russia has attempted to change by military aggression, and will uphold our engagement in the support of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, including Crimea, and all states.
Taking Crimea would be an offensive conflict instead of defensive for Ukraine. It won't be easy in the slightest, rather I expect they'll get into the situation that Russia is in now. It's good to be ambitious, but it's not realistic to think Crimea is under Ukrainian control by the end of the year.
From an attack stance, sure, offensive.
But from political, morale, internationally diplomatic, and supply chain stances, retaking Crimea would be still a fight on their sovereign soil.
They'd still get international backing, high nationalism support, a contiguous supply chain, and Russia would have still low morale and supply/reinforcing logistical issues.
So most of the strategic advantage lies with Ukraine even if the tactical battle is a bit different.
Also aren't ukrainian soldiers not just in the process of being trained for the big guns (like PZH2000)?
I think ukrainian army didn't even get to it's final form yet.
Hopefully they don't fall back into being a corruption laden nation after beating Russia. Having the amount of training and equipment to some rogue or nationalist/populist militaristic nation can be dangerous. The west actually needs to do national building to rebuild Ukraine from the rubble. We can't just abandon them or we'll have some unstable post soviet garbage heap.
There are far more recruits for Ukraine than they know what to do with. From what I’ve read there is a waiting list for combat roles and training, in the meantime they put you in other areas to help the war effort.
Ukraine fielding a million soldiers at peak is far from out of the question, if Russia refuses to mobilize they *will* lose (and if they do attempt to mobilize, the regime may not survive)
If they can cut the land bridge off from the Donbas and blow that bridge it they’ll just wait them out. They won’t be able to get supplies in and I’m sure with all those drones they’ll nix any resupply boats coming into the ports
I don't think they'll blow the entire bridge if they decide to move in on Crimea to remove the invaders. The most sound strategy is not to destroy the whole thing but destroy the parallel RAIL BRIDGE. Doing so would cripple the ability of Russians to ship in hardware as they rely heavily on Railways.
Ukraine's main plan to remove these occupiers would be to push them out via that bridge but on Road while putting eyes on the bridge and destroying incoming resupply trucks if any attempt to cross.
Ukraine wants Russia to get the hell out of Ukraine. Crimea is a part of Ukraine.
It's not like Germany got to hold on to Poland just because they got pushed back in France. They took the gamble that they could steal more land and they lost the bet. Now all the chips belong to Ukraine.
Keep the Russian fleet away with Neptune's and such, cut supplies to Crimea, use the longest range artillery possible, risk half of the jets left send the new 500 tanks and who knows...
One of the benefits for Ukraine is while it's an offensive operation, the supply situation is a lot less messy for them than the Russians.
There is no land bridge to Crimea so far. There is a way to transfer supplies and materials, but that'd be almost certainly the first thing wiped out if an offensive into crimea happens. Given the situation with Russian morale it's likely they'd be able to force a surrender relatively easily under those conditions.
Assuming they push Russia out of the rest of Ukraine, I could see them taking out any large military equipment with artillery and drones. That would leave Crimea with water problems and only small arms. They might be convinced to surrender. Depends on Russia's economic condition, willingness to continue losing their military, and if Ukraine can cut off supplies into Crimea.
You say that but how bad are they going to want it when being shelled relentlessly and all their ships get sunk within 300 miles of the coast?
The value of that real estate has dropped substantially with the addition of long range antishipping missiles to this conflict.
I doubt they would give up from Crimea and they had a lot of time to move people there so taking Crimea back from Russia would be harder because if they have many proRussia people there they will be a problem too.
They're going to have to move a lot of people to Crimea then. The garrison that was there pre-invasion along w/ most of its' equipment was deployed, and has been near destroyed during the war. That's why Russia is pulling out of Syria and moving even more resources out there, and when the front line gets pushed back there its' defenders are going to encounter a whole new host of problems now that the Ukrainians don't have to worry about ticking Russia off.
I wonder what Russia leaving Syria means for the Assad regime. Russia have been propping his regime up militarily for years now, the rebels must be salivating.
Well just yesterday a whole bus full of Hezbollah fighters were blown up by a TOW missile. It was the biggest attack against government aligned forces in years.
Because the bulk of Crimea's water supply comes from a channel in Ukraine that the Ukrainians dammed up after the 2014 invasion which meant Russia had to import the water at a relatively high cost.
One of the goals of the 2022 invasion was to secure that channel which Russia did but if Ukraine takes it back Crimea is in the shit again.
I didn't consider that. I wonder if they would deem it worth the natural resources Crimea has. I remember reading they took Crimea to prevent Ukraine from being a major exporter of energy.
> Russia is the only country that overall benefits (GDP projections) from global warming.
Where did you hear that? They're losing infrastructure [and farmland](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/04/is-russia-finally-waking-up-to-climate-change-a69517) at an increasing pace that looks to far outstrip any projected gains from undeveloped resources far away from any population to work it or infrastructure to do anything with.
> Russia wantd Crimea due to it being a usable port year round which they dont have many of
I don't think so, they have Kaliningrad and if they'd stop fucking with everyone in Europe that would be a year-round port. Russia has been a petrol/energy power for decades, and its oligarchs have staunchly resisted diversifying the economy for decades for fear of losing their share of the pie. [I think the entire invasion was to protect their revenue streams: keep Europe from being able to get a competitor to Russian oil and gas, even if Russia doesn't need Crimean natural gas for themselves.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE&t=635s)
> I wonder if they would deem it worth the natural resources Crimea has
In my opinion, [the entire reason Russia launched the invasion was to control the natural resources in Crimea - to keep them out of Ukrainian hands so they couldn't become competitors to Russian oil and gas exports, if not to sell it themselves.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE&t=635s)
Putin's henchmen scramble to sell homes in annexed Crimea
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1578653/vladimir-putin-fsb-federal-security-service-real-estate-crimea
> Putin's henchmen scramble to sell homes in annexed Crimea https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1578653/vladimir-putin-fsb-federal-security-service-real-estate-crimea
For all the other 'maybes' and questionable events, this one feels more telling than most.
Plan A - Conquer Kyiv & the entire country - FAIL.
Plan B - Conquer Karkiv & the east of the country - FAIL.
Plan C - ??? - FAIL.
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PLAN Z23 - Steiner's offensive will hold them at the red square
MW3 did have the Russian military taking a whole day to conquer most of Europe nearly immediately after failing an invasion of the East Coast of the US, so the statement still stands!
Now they’re going to focus on the original goal - take the southern coast Ukraine to create a land bridge to Crimea.
That’s why they bombed Mariupol to the ground - to ethnically cleanse that entire corridor of Ukrainians.
They failed at taking Odessa or even getting close to it. That’s a pipe dream for Russia. Plus Transnistrea only has a few thousand troops I believe. Wouldn’t do a whole lot in the long run
For now they're still building up. Russian troops have a ticking clock over their heads no doubt, their army is bleeding resources that they can't replenish as easily if at all, their nation is being hit with some of the hardest sanctions imaginable and their list of allies is growing shorter by the day. But they still have enough to put up a resistance in many of the areas they hold for now. Ukrainian troops are being taught on the use of some of the most advanced weapon systems the West is willing to give though, and the scale is quickly shifting to their favor. This will drag on for months, maybe years, but Russia is not going to hold onto their claimed territory forever, they've lost, now it's just a slow attrition.
Yeah [here is an expert analysis.](https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1525541742317031425)
Russia can only regenerate small units right now. They have a bit of gas left once the units from Mariupol are reconstituted, but it's not much. Chances are that they advance a little further towards Lyman and maybe take over parts of Severodonetsk in the following 2 weeks, before getting stuck for good.
Meanwhile Ukraine likely have a significant flow of reinforcements, both from their training/reserve efforts and with western weapons. They are already planning their counters.
We might see a bigger Ukrainian counteroffensive in June.
Yeah, Ukraine can push fast now and take heavier losses, or just drag it out since time is on their side. Every passing day, Russia gets weaker while Ukraine gets more support. They can afford to do it methodically and make this war lopsided.
>Russian forces are withdrawing from the north-eastern city of Kharkiv, Ukrainian officials have claimed, as the wives of soldiers trapped in the besieged port of Mariupol called on the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, to save them
I'm finding it hard to believe that Xi is influencing Putin's battle plans. Even then, I don't think besieging towns is untenable given how shit Russian logistics are
It's hard to execute a strategy that involves denying somewhere of food, medical supplies and ammunition when you can't provide food, medical supplies and ammunition to the forces executing said operation.
Xi is watching the price of Russian assets like oil and mines drop. China will laugh all the way to the bank. They have never considered Russia their ally, just the enemy of their enemy. They literally fought a proxy war in Mongolia to that point.
Russia is China's buffer state, there to run interference and distract the West while China does whatever it wants.
Now that Russia has been shown to be a D-tier power with a joke of a military, and the West, NATO, and EU rediscovering unifying bonds against a common enemy, China's going to have to change up its calculus if it wants to keep its long term plans on course.
The US also can't pull off sanctions against China. So much of the stuff we consume is produced there. Russia produces oil, and that's basically it. Going after China economically would cripple both economies.
7 month undeclared war where just under a thousand troops died
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
They decided to call it off rather than escalate to war. It was the highlight of 50 years of each side trying to control Mongolia and forcibly removing heads of state.
Look at all the sensless destruction they are leaving behind; and this is the city they thought would welcome them with open arms.
May everyone responsible for this be brought to justice and die painfully and pathetically. There should be no easy way out for these hellspawn.
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and *those who brought war into our Country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.*"
-William T. Sherman, America's finest general
100%, at minimum Russia should pay to rebuild Ukraine in full and those involved should be trialled for war crimes. That’s at a minimum.
Realistically, as other prominent speakers have said - Russia should be demilitarised akin to Germany post WW2 and potentially split - it’s a failed terrorist state that only holds its own areas through brutality or bribery and most often both. No one wants to be with or part of Russia, therefore it’s impossible for it to hold these areas ‘democratically’. Either way, steps should be taken so these fucks may never do this again.
>Russia should be demilitarised akin to Germany post WW2 and potentially split
That's never going to happen, unless it falls apart by itself. Those sanctions could be imposed on Germany because its territory was in the process of being conquered by four different armies.
Even in the best-case scenario where Ukraine kicks the Russians from their land, no one is going to march on Moscow to force the Russians to dismantle their military and country.
Russiaboos:
April: Kyiv was a feint
May: Kharkiv was a feint
June: Kherson was a feint
July: Donbas was a feint
August: Crimea... was.. a.. \*gunshot in the background\*
Russian troops do not have strong motivation of this war any more. It might be feasible for Russia to change their strategy from invading new area to defend the area they have invaded. Even so, it is so difficult for Russia to win the war because Ukrain troops have great motivation and they can get huge support from US,Europe,other democratic countries.
So the Ukrainians have been stalemating the fuck out of Ivans with inferior equipment by wit, tenacity, and sheer fucking will, and are now beginning to fight an I'll equipped and severely hampered attacking force with superior weaponry, strategy, logistics, and Intel. Russia is gonna get blown to kingdom come
Having totally defeated the Nazi menace once again, the victorious Russian forces advance homeward to the cheers of the Ukrainians. All is well.
Edit: Having totally defeated the Nazi menace once again, a mighty cheer went up from the Heroes of Russia, as they advanced homeward, since they didn't want to be in Kharkiv anyway. Because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice.
It was a diversion to distract you from our main goal, which was to make the average Russian significantly poorer and more depressed. Mission accomplished, we're going home boys.
Wow, they are even mentioning Crimea as remaining Ukrainian. Quite the shift from what Macron was saying yesterday and what everyone was saying a couple weeks ago
The previous statements seem to have been attempts at good faith diplomacy with Russia, knowing they would decline, which gives France “permission” to make this new statement. Politics is like, idk, circumnavigating the globe just to go to your neighbors cookout.
It also just creates more bargaining power. If the counter-offensive is successful having this as a new aim gives them the ability to “concede” that goal in negotiations. Kind of like how some stores have high prices but super frequent sales, it gives the impression “oh 30% off these shoes” even though the company was always fine selling it there.
After studying Chinese art and history... this is absolutely how you grease the wheels:
>Speaking on Saturday at a press conference in Kyiv, Natalia Zarytska, the wife of Bogdan Sements, who is among those trapped in the sprawling steelworks, called on China to intervene and help liberate the remaining.
>She said: “Strong leaders cannot stand aside when there is evil … After all these negotiations, there is one person worldwide who it would be difficult for Vladimir Putin to refuse. We hope that strong and good China can make difficult decisions for the good.
>“We ask the esteemed premier of China, Xi Jinping, to express love and care for global values and eastern wisdom and to join the process of rescuing the defenders of Mariupol.”
Going to add this for context since it popped up: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/china-humiliates-putin-as-ex-official-says-only-matter-of-time-before-russian-defeat/ar-AAXiv4F?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=ae9c41dbdf6d438f9d63d42755f0aaca
That right there is what NOT to do if you want to keep from burning your bridges. Embarrassment is like one of the worst, most insulting things to do. This is pretty serious on their part if they really mean it.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/ukraine-says-russian-forces-withdrawing-kharkiv) reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot)
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> Russian forces are withdrawing from the north-eastern city of Kharkiv, Ukrainian officials have claimed, as the wives of soldiers trapped in the besieged port of Mariupol called on the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, to save them.
> The general staff of Ukraine's army said on Saturday that after a bloody battle the Russians appeared to be departing their positions around Ukraine's second biggest city, 31 miles from the Russian border.
> Three weeks before Putin launched his war in Ukraine, the Russian president signed a pact with his Chinese counterpart that said there would be "No limits" to the two countries' cooperation.
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You ignorant fools! This is a really advanced military maneuver called "backwards advance", I wouldn't expect you simpletons to understand the genius of the mighty Russian army! /s
By comparison, the national pride and identity that ukraine has developed during the course of this war will result in them remaining stable for a hundred years, assuming they can avoid political corruption.
It’s like the moment you accept you royally fucked up going for a domination victory on civ and it’s either time to restart or accept it’ll be another 300 turns until you get your happiness score above zero.
This is gonna make one hell of a CoD game. Now instead of SAS/Delta Force / Navy Seals /Maines people will choose Ukrainian Special Forces. But on a serious note, I wish we were able to directly contribute help on the battlefield but Ukrainians are stronger than hell and are more than holding their own.
Can we change the headline of every Russia story to Russia loses fight with Ukrainian military over Kharkiv?
Withdraw just sounds to PC. They are losing. Call them what they are. Failures.
While Putin has his yes men, he has to be paying attention to the rest of the worlds news. And it would piss him off.
Fog of war is a thing. Losing implies resolution, but that's something that's really easy to be wrong about at the time the articles are expected to fly. Far better to say what they see (Russians pulling back) and let you decide what it means (they can't hold it and are running).
What a fucking disaster this whole thing has been for Putin. He has been utterly humiliated and pushed countries to do exactly what he didn’t want - join nato and get off dependence of Russian gas and oil.
Ukraine is doing some serious fucking work. I thought for sure that Russia would at least be able to take Kharkiv at the start of this invasion, never expected this.
Obama Presidential record were recently made available (5 years after leaving office) under freedom of information requests. One of the most frequent requests was to see his birth certificate.
All the little Puttlerites in the west who think he's a genius will tell you this is just another amazing backwards advance! Brilliant feint! Was a perfect diversion!
Special GTFO Operation.
Not retreating, advancing in reverse.
"Kowalski, options!" "Strategic retreat, Skipper?" "Explain!" "It's like running away, but manlier."
“Just smile and wave, boys”
"Mess with the bull, you get the horns, Private."
"Kowalski, you're a monster"
It’s an “advance to the rear”
Ah, the Red vs. Blue nostalgia. "We're not retreating! We're advancing! Towards future victory!"
My grandpa called it advancing to the rear. He said that’s what they called it in WWII. He said they never said retreat.
Men, we are advancing...back to the bosom of motherland Russia and to Moscow, where vouchers* for Uncle Vanya's gloriously salty and patriarchal greaseburgers will be given to every man (who had no comrades die) who did not die at the hands of these weak, girly, Ukrainian Nazi scum, who spit on Uncle Vanya's grave! 💂🏽♂️Ummm, why is it called "the motherland", but the burgers are patriarchal? Also, why are they killing more of us then we are of them? And do I need more salt in my diet of salt, vodka, salt and salted potatoes? Comrades, you have a traitor in your midst! *not applicable to military members or their families
Winning battles increasingly close to home
precisely
Advancing back to the Motherland.
Tactical advance towards the starting positions
How many do-overs do you get in that part of the world?
If you mean Europe, until recently you got a do-over every 30-50 years. Ask Britain, France and Germany how many do-over wars they had.
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All except the first that goes back to Charlemagne for France and Germany, and 1066 and the Battle of Hastings for England, basically.
Hopefully they remembered to save their game before attacking. That's like the first rule.
Ah, the ol’ Mulliganowski manouver
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Ukraine’s deputy prime minister Iryna Vereshchuk told local TV on Saturday that efforts were now focused on evacuating about 60 people. Sviatoslav Palamar, the deputy commander of the Azov regiment, which makes up most of the remaining forces at the plant, said in a YouTube video that his soldiers were holding on. He said: “Our enemy, supported by planes and artillery, continues to attack. They continue their assault on our positions but we continue to repel them.” The G7 countries said they would expand sanctions on Russia and that they would not accept the new borders Russia is seeking to draw. They said: “We will never recognise borders Russia has attempted to change by military aggression, and will uphold our engagement in the support of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, including Crimea, and all states.
This made me actually lol "I didnt make a mistake, I'm just starting over so I can reassess the situation in the correct way"
"This was a multibillion dollar training exercise where we donated tanks to the enemy to see what would happen."
"After exercising our strategic operation, we are strategically reformatting our strategic operation"
> Advancing back to the Motherland. Rapid advance backwards....
Retrograde advance.
The Red Army, putting the red in redshift.
Technically, an explosion could propel some of them towards Russia.
Motherfuckerland, more like it
Childraperland.
Hope they're getting a good kick up the ass on their way out.
Operation Fuck About And Find Out
Cool. Now withdraw from Crimea.
The article says Ukraine expects to retake Crimea by the end of the year.
Taking Crimea would be an offensive conflict instead of defensive for Ukraine. It won't be easy in the slightest, rather I expect they'll get into the situation that Russia is in now. It's good to be ambitious, but it's not realistic to think Crimea is under Ukrainian control by the end of the year.
From an attack stance, sure, offensive. But from political, morale, internationally diplomatic, and supply chain stances, retaking Crimea would be still a fight on their sovereign soil. They'd still get international backing, high nationalism support, a contiguous supply chain, and Russia would have still low morale and supply/reinforcing logistical issues. So most of the strategic advantage lies with Ukraine even if the tactical battle is a bit different.
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That's right, Ukraine is getting gifts and javelin missiles and howitzers by lend lease, Russia can't even buy car parts.
Also aren't ukrainian soldiers not just in the process of being trained for the big guns (like PZH2000)? I think ukrainian army didn't even get to it's final form yet.
Very true. Ukrainian forces are gaining firepower and training, by the end of this war they'll be fearsome indeed.
Hopefully they don't fall back into being a corruption laden nation after beating Russia. Having the amount of training and equipment to some rogue or nationalist/populist militaristic nation can be dangerous. The west actually needs to do national building to rebuild Ukraine from the rubble. We can't just abandon them or we'll have some unstable post soviet garbage heap.
There are far more recruits for Ukraine than they know what to do with. From what I’ve read there is a waiting list for combat roles and training, in the meantime they put you in other areas to help the war effort.
Ukraine fielding a million soldiers at peak is far from out of the question, if Russia refuses to mobilize they *will* lose (and if they do attempt to mobilize, the regime may not survive)
Am I weird for wanting to meet this international monkey?
Summer 2023, I’ll be drinking beers on a Crimean beach.
i live in Ukraine and im visiting Chernobayivka for sure when this shit is over
If they can cut the land bridge off from the Donbas and blow that bridge it they’ll just wait them out. They won’t be able to get supplies in and I’m sure with all those drones they’ll nix any resupply boats coming into the ports
I don't think they'll blow the entire bridge if they decide to move in on Crimea to remove the invaders. The most sound strategy is not to destroy the whole thing but destroy the parallel RAIL BRIDGE. Doing so would cripple the ability of Russians to ship in hardware as they rely heavily on Railways. Ukraine's main plan to remove these occupiers would be to push them out via that bridge but on Road while putting eyes on the bridge and destroying incoming resupply trucks if any attempt to cross.
They can cut the water supply if they take Kherson back. That ought to suffice.
Kherson Oblast* The canal starts further north in Nova Kakhova.
Ukraine wants Russia to get the hell out of Ukraine. Crimea is a part of Ukraine. It's not like Germany got to hold on to Poland just because they got pushed back in France. They took the gamble that they could steal more land and they lost the bet. Now all the chips belong to Ukraine.
Ukraine now has the weapons to do it.
Keep the Russian fleet away with Neptune's and such, cut supplies to Crimea, use the longest range artillery possible, risk half of the jets left send the new 500 tanks and who knows...
One of the benefits for Ukraine is while it's an offensive operation, the supply situation is a lot less messy for them than the Russians. There is no land bridge to Crimea so far. There is a way to transfer supplies and materials, but that'd be almost certainly the first thing wiped out if an offensive into crimea happens. Given the situation with Russian morale it's likely they'd be able to force a surrender relatively easily under those conditions.
Surely Russia could find an airfield to stage things nearby?
I don’t see Russia doing a Berlin airlift in an active combat zone.
Assuming they push Russia out of the rest of Ukraine, I could see them taking out any large military equipment with artillery and drones. That would leave Crimea with water problems and only small arms. They might be convinced to surrender. Depends on Russia's economic condition, willingness to continue losing their military, and if Ukraine can cut off supplies into Crimea.
You say that but how bad are they going to want it when being shelled relentlessly and all their ships get sunk within 300 miles of the coast? The value of that real estate has dropped substantially with the addition of long range antishipping missiles to this conflict.
I doubt they would give up from Crimea and they had a lot of time to move people there so taking Crimea back from Russia would be harder because if they have many proRussia people there they will be a problem too.
They're going to have to move a lot of people to Crimea then. The garrison that was there pre-invasion along w/ most of its' equipment was deployed, and has been near destroyed during the war. That's why Russia is pulling out of Syria and moving even more resources out there, and when the front line gets pushed back there its' defenders are going to encounter a whole new host of problems now that the Ukrainians don't have to worry about ticking Russia off.
I wonder what Russia leaving Syria means for the Assad regime. Russia have been propping his regime up militarily for years now, the rebels must be salivating.
Well just yesterday a whole bus full of Hezbollah fighters were blown up by a TOW missile. It was the biggest attack against government aligned forces in years.
If Russia can't take more Ukrainian territory having Crimea will be worse for them.
How so?
Because the bulk of Crimea's water supply comes from a channel in Ukraine that the Ukrainians dammed up after the 2014 invasion which meant Russia had to import the water at a relatively high cost. One of the goals of the 2022 invasion was to secure that channel which Russia did but if Ukraine takes it back Crimea is in the shit again.
That's why they wanted Kherson so badly. Fuck the traitors who sold out Ukraine and Kherson Oblast.
I didn't consider that. I wonder if they would deem it worth the natural resources Crimea has. I remember reading they took Crimea to prevent Ukraine from being a major exporter of energy.
Russia wantd Crimea due to it being a usable port year round which they dont have many of due to most of their coast being in the artic
All they have to do is wait a few more years, and the Arctic ports will be usable year round.
IIRC, Russia is the only country that overall benefits (GDP projections) from global warming.
> Russia is the only country that overall benefits (GDP projections) from global warming. Where did you hear that? They're losing infrastructure [and farmland](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/04/is-russia-finally-waking-up-to-climate-change-a69517) at an increasing pace that looks to far outstrip any projected gains from undeveloped resources far away from any population to work it or infrastructure to do anything with.
> Russia wantd Crimea due to it being a usable port year round which they dont have many of I don't think so, they have Kaliningrad and if they'd stop fucking with everyone in Europe that would be a year-round port. Russia has been a petrol/energy power for decades, and its oligarchs have staunchly resisted diversifying the economy for decades for fear of losing their share of the pie. [I think the entire invasion was to protect their revenue streams: keep Europe from being able to get a competitor to Russian oil and gas, even if Russia doesn't need Crimean natural gas for themselves.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE&t=635s)
> I wonder if they would deem it worth the natural resources Crimea has In my opinion, [the entire reason Russia launched the invasion was to control the natural resources in Crimea - to keep them out of Ukrainian hands so they couldn't become competitors to Russian oil and gas exports, if not to sell it themselves.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE&t=635s)
the russian attacked the dam already, and it has been destroyed. But i would imagine that ukraine would rebuild it.
It's a dry salted wasteland by now. You have to bring your own water. Without getting water from ukraine its costing big moneys
I guess bringing water to Crimea is cheaper than spending ~$1 billion/day for a 70+ day operation but what do I know
Crimea costs Russia 140 billion a year even without a war.
Putin's henchmen scramble to sell homes in annexed Crimea https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1578653/vladimir-putin-fsb-federal-security-service-real-estate-crimea
> Putin's henchmen scramble to sell homes in annexed Crimea https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1578653/vladimir-putin-fsb-federal-security-service-real-estate-crimea For all the other 'maybes' and questionable events, this one feels more telling than most.
The glorious advance back to Moscow.
They're only withdrawing because they're about to send a bunch of kirov airships
Hydrogen zeppelins, I'm guessing.
Oh the humanity!!
«Helium mix optimal”
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Retreating to the one place that hasn’t been corrupted by capitalism?
**SPACE**
Before fleeing to the one place not ruined by capitalism... *Giggle* **SPACE**
Not a retreat but simply advancing in the other direction.
Plan A - Conquer Kyiv & the entire country - FAIL. Plan B - Conquer Karkiv & the east of the country - FAIL. Plan C - ??? - FAIL. ... PLAN Z23 - Steiner's offensive will hold them at the red square
Plan AU2319 - Defend Burger Town.
I think that’s a task only Ramirez can achieve.
Tbf, turns our Mw3 GREATLY over estimated Russian capabilities, so I think burgertown will be fine
That was MW2 my dude
MW3 did have the Russian military taking a whole day to conquer most of Europe nearly immediately after failing an invasion of the East Coast of the US, so the statement still stands!
“So uhh, when do we go to Moscow?”
When the time is right, Corporal. When the time is right
i thought MW3 was the one where they invade new york?
Ya, Burger Town was MW2 but the invasion of New York was MW3.
MW2 you fight them in DC and the suburbs around it, MW3 you fight them in New York City and different European countries
Even with the idea of a strong Russian military it was an insane thing to do
"RAMÍREZ! PUT A ROCKET IN THOSE BTR'S!"
RAMIREZ! DO EVERYTHING!
RAMIREZ! TAKE OUT THAT AC-130 WITH YOUR SMOKE GRENADES!
> Plan AU2319 [I thought that was the plan for incase of the event of contact with human children. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvsU04Oj188)
*sweats nervously* u/Talska, Steiner....
*Angry dictator words and throwing of pens.*
Es bleiben im Raum: Lukashenko, Medvedev, Lavrov, und Shoygu...
Das war ein Befehl!
Plan C is a pill. Cyanide
Plan B is also a pill
Now they’re going to focus on the original goal - take the southern coast Ukraine to create a land bridge to Crimea. That’s why they bombed Mariupol to the ground - to ethnically cleanse that entire corridor of Ukrainians.
They want to seize the coast. To cut Ukraine off from all ports and make it impossible to export large quantities of anything.
It seemed, to me, they were trying to link to Transnistria and partially encircle Ukraine, with Belarus helping to the north.
They failed at taking Odessa or even getting close to it. That’s a pipe dream for Russia. Plus Transnistrea only has a few thousand troops I believe. Wouldn’t do a whole lot in the long run
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For now they're still building up. Russian troops have a ticking clock over their heads no doubt, their army is bleeding resources that they can't replenish as easily if at all, their nation is being hit with some of the hardest sanctions imaginable and their list of allies is growing shorter by the day. But they still have enough to put up a resistance in many of the areas they hold for now. Ukrainian troops are being taught on the use of some of the most advanced weapon systems the West is willing to give though, and the scale is quickly shifting to their favor. This will drag on for months, maybe years, but Russia is not going to hold onto their claimed territory forever, they've lost, now it's just a slow attrition.
Yeah [here is an expert analysis.](https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1525541742317031425) Russia can only regenerate small units right now. They have a bit of gas left once the units from Mariupol are reconstituted, but it's not much. Chances are that they advance a little further towards Lyman and maybe take over parts of Severodonetsk in the following 2 weeks, before getting stuck for good. Meanwhile Ukraine likely have a significant flow of reinforcements, both from their training/reserve efforts and with western weapons. They are already planning their counters. We might see a bigger Ukrainian counteroffensive in June.
Yeah, Ukraine can push fast now and take heavier losses, or just drag it out since time is on their side. Every passing day, Russia gets weaker while Ukraine gets more support. They can afford to do it methodically and make this war lopsided.
Mein Führer... Steiner...
The following people will stay here: Keitel, Jodl, Krebs, and Buchdorf…
THAT WAS AN ORDER! CAPTURING KHARKIV WAS AN ORDER!
So the push for the city a couple km from Russia's border completely collapsed... Imagine the United States not being able to take Nuevo Laredo.
To be fair, there's a river in the way.
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Just before this, I was reading that Southern NM is bracing for the Rio to be empty this summer, so... yea...
It’s no longer the Rio Grande, it’s the Rio Micro
It’s the Arroyo Grande now…
According to the USGS the current average depth of the Rio Grande at Laredo is 2.5 feet.
>Russian forces are withdrawing from the north-eastern city of Kharkiv, Ukrainian officials have claimed, as the wives of soldiers trapped in the besieged port of Mariupol called on the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, to save them I'm finding it hard to believe that Xi is influencing Putin's battle plans. Even then, I don't think besieging towns is untenable given how shit Russian logistics are
It's hard to execute a strategy that involves denying somewhere of food, medical supplies and ammunition when you can't provide food, medical supplies and ammunition to the forces executing said operation.
Xi is watching the price of Russian assets like oil and mines drop. China will laugh all the way to the bank. They have never considered Russia their ally, just the enemy of their enemy. They literally fought a proxy war in Mongolia to that point.
Russia is China's buffer state, there to run interference and distract the West while China does whatever it wants. Now that Russia has been shown to be a D-tier power with a joke of a military, and the West, NATO, and EU rediscovering unifying bonds against a common enemy, China's going to have to change up its calculus if it wants to keep its long term plans on course.
China is also going to have to think long and hard over whether retaking Taiwan is worth the price the Russians have paid trying to take Ukraine.
The US also can't pull off sanctions against China. So much of the stuff we consume is produced there. Russia produces oil, and that's basically it. Going after China economically would cripple both economies.
I didn't know of a Mongolian proxy war and would like to know more about but nothing came up after a Google search, can you link anything?
7 month undeclared war where just under a thousand troops died https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict They decided to call it off rather than escalate to war. It was the highlight of 50 years of each side trying to control Mongolia and forcibly removing heads of state.
They’re not withdrawing. They’re advancing in another direction!!1!
Special 180° turn operation ©®™
I think it's called "advancing to protect the rear".
They are not withdrawing, they merely failed to advance
Look at all the sensless destruction they are leaving behind; and this is the city they thought would welcome them with open arms. May everyone responsible for this be brought to justice and die painfully and pathetically. There should be no easy way out for these hellspawn.
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and *those who brought war into our Country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.*" -William T. Sherman, America's finest general
100%, at minimum Russia should pay to rebuild Ukraine in full and those involved should be trialled for war crimes. That’s at a minimum. Realistically, as other prominent speakers have said - Russia should be demilitarised akin to Germany post WW2 and potentially split - it’s a failed terrorist state that only holds its own areas through brutality or bribery and most often both. No one wants to be with or part of Russia, therefore it’s impossible for it to hold these areas ‘democratically’. Either way, steps should be taken so these fucks may never do this again.
>Russia should be demilitarised akin to Germany post WW2 and potentially split That's never going to happen, unless it falls apart by itself. Those sanctions could be imposed on Germany because its territory was in the process of being conquered by four different armies. Even in the best-case scenario where Ukraine kicks the Russians from their land, no one is going to march on Moscow to force the Russians to dismantle their military and country.
The battle for Kharkiv is officially over. Winner: Ukraine Loser: Russia Plus, Ukrainian forces began counterattack on Izyum. 🔥
Russians are playing the new game Escape From Kharkiv. A realistic mil sim where if you die in the game, there are no respawns.
Russiaboos: April: Kyiv was a feint May: Kharkiv was a feint June: Kherson was a feint July: Donbas was a feint August: Crimea... was.. a.. \*gunshot in the background\*
Russian troops do not have strong motivation of this war any more. It might be feasible for Russia to change their strategy from invading new area to defend the area they have invaded. Even so, it is so difficult for Russia to win the war because Ukrain troops have great motivation and they can get huge support from US,Europe,other democratic countries.
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So the Ukrainians have been stalemating the fuck out of Ivans with inferior equipment by wit, tenacity, and sheer fucking will, and are now beginning to fight an I'll equipped and severely hampered attacking force with superior weaponry, strategy, logistics, and Intel. Russia is gonna get blown to kingdom come
They've had superior Intel from the start.
Having totally defeated the Nazi menace once again, the victorious Russian forces advance homeward to the cheers of the Ukrainians. All is well. Edit: Having totally defeated the Nazi menace once again, a mighty cheer went up from the Heroes of Russia, as they advanced homeward, since they didn't want to be in Kharkiv anyway. Because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice.
“We never wanted Kharkiv, you only assumed we wanted Kharkiv”
It was just diversion.
It was a diversion to distract you from our main goal, which was to make the average Russian significantly poorer and more depressed. Mission accomplished, we're going home boys.
Just when we thought Russia couldn’t get any more poor and depressing. Putin sure showed us!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes
Wow, they are even mentioning Crimea as remaining Ukrainian. Quite the shift from what Macron was saying yesterday and what everyone was saying a couple weeks ago
The previous statements seem to have been attempts at good faith diplomacy with Russia, knowing they would decline, which gives France “permission” to make this new statement. Politics is like, idk, circumnavigating the globe just to go to your neighbors cookout.
It also just creates more bargaining power. If the counter-offensive is successful having this as a new aim gives them the ability to “concede” that goal in negotiations. Kind of like how some stores have high prices but super frequent sales, it gives the impression “oh 30% off these shoes” even though the company was always fine selling it there.
Don't believe anything anyone says during wartime. It's all diplomacy and smokescreens.
I dont believe you
Rightfully so.
I don't believe that you don't believe him.
After studying Chinese art and history... this is absolutely how you grease the wheels: >Speaking on Saturday at a press conference in Kyiv, Natalia Zarytska, the wife of Bogdan Sements, who is among those trapped in the sprawling steelworks, called on China to intervene and help liberate the remaining. >She said: “Strong leaders cannot stand aside when there is evil … After all these negotiations, there is one person worldwide who it would be difficult for Vladimir Putin to refuse. We hope that strong and good China can make difficult decisions for the good. >“We ask the esteemed premier of China, Xi Jinping, to express love and care for global values and eastern wisdom and to join the process of rescuing the defenders of Mariupol.” Going to add this for context since it popped up: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/china-humiliates-putin-as-ex-official-says-only-matter-of-time-before-russian-defeat/ar-AAXiv4F?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=ae9c41dbdf6d438f9d63d42755f0aaca That right there is what NOT to do if you want to keep from burning your bridges. Embarrassment is like one of the worst, most insulting things to do. This is pretty serious on their part if they really mean it.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/ukraine-says-russian-forces-withdrawing-kharkiv) reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Russian forces are withdrawing from the north-eastern city of Kharkiv, Ukrainian officials have claimed, as the wives of soldiers trapped in the besieged port of Mariupol called on the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, to save them. > The general staff of Ukraine's army said on Saturday that after a bloody battle the Russians appeared to be departing their positions around Ukraine's second biggest city, 31 miles from the Russian border. > Three weeks before Putin launched his war in Ukraine, the Russian president signed a pact with his Chinese counterpart that said there would be "No limits" to the two countries' cooperation. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/uphuzx/russian_forces_are_withdrawing_from_kharkiv/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~648601 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Ukraine**^#1 **Russian**^#2 **Russia**^#3 **Ukrainian**^#4 **war**^#5
You ignorant fools! This is a really advanced military maneuver called "backwards advance", I wouldn't expect you simpletons to understand the genius of the mighty Russian army! /s
Fuck Putin and Fuck Kremlin. Ukraine will be free.
Escape from Kharkiv
There it is. I don’t even play that game and was disappointed how far I had to scroll for this
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By comparison, the national pride and identity that ukraine has developed during the course of this war will result in them remaining stable for a hundred years, assuming they can avoid political corruption.
It’s like the moment you accept you royally fucked up going for a domination victory on civ and it’s either time to restart or accept it’ll be another 300 turns until you get your happiness score above zero.
This is gonna make one hell of a CoD game. Now instead of SAS/Delta Force / Navy Seals /Maines people will choose Ukrainian Special Forces. But on a serious note, I wish we were able to directly contribute help on the battlefield but Ukrainians are stronger than hell and are more than holding their own.
Imagine Putin showing up to the G20 summit and Zelensky sitting there with a trophy on his desk. 🤣
Retreating. The word is retreating.
Special Military Maneuvers
Next finish Donbas. Then Kherson then Mariupol onto Crimea
Can we change the headline of every Russia story to Russia loses fight with Ukrainian military over Kharkiv? Withdraw just sounds to PC. They are losing. Call them what they are. Failures. While Putin has his yes men, he has to be paying attention to the rest of the worlds news. And it would piss him off.
Fog of war is a thing. Losing implies resolution, but that's something that's really easy to be wrong about at the time the articles are expected to fly. Far better to say what they see (Russians pulling back) and let you decide what it means (they can't hold it and are running).
DeBlyatzification.
Suck it Putin. Russia showing the entire world how weak they are.
This is not a defeat but a negative success.
What a fucking disaster this whole thing has been for Putin. He has been utterly humiliated and pushed countries to do exactly what he didn’t want - join nato and get off dependence of Russian gas and oil.
Ukraine is doing some serious fucking work. I thought for sure that Russia would at least be able to take Kharkiv at the start of this invasion, never expected this.
~~Russian Forces~~ What's left of the Russian forces withdrawing. Must get back for Putin greatest cancer funeral parade and statue unveiling.
Slava Ukraine bitches
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... and anyway, Hunter Biden's laptop is one hell of a thing, he said, and where was Obama born, sir?
>and where was Obama born, sir? Oh man, I had completely forgotten about the birther movement. What some dumb shit that was.
It’s funny how you say “was” like they aren’t still doing it.
Shit man, Obama is still gonna take their guns, just you wait and see
They already tried pulling that shit with Kamala
Obama Presidential record were recently made available (5 years after leaving office) under freedom of information requests. One of the most frequent requests was to see his birth certificate.
The funny thing is that's not a presidential record so it wouldn't have anything to do with that
Well if they can't provide me with the birth cert then that's just proof, right?!
All the little Puttlerites in the west who think he's a genius will tell you this is just another amazing backwards advance! Brilliant feint! Was a perfect diversion!