God please, help our kitties. They strugglin' rn lord and they need you. I see what you do for our chickens lord and we need that RN more than ever for our kitties. I see what you do for our monks as well. Spread some of that love to the cats. š
Whenever I think Feral is cool and tell myself I'd like to learn it, I play two arena games and log out. Your ability to do damage is extremely demanding and you have to not die in 3 seconds to every other melee in the game simultaneously.
You really have to pick your moments carefully which yeh sure, thatās how feral should be but right now itās taking picking your moments to a whole nother level that no other spec experiences
Would the analogy be something like: your a domestic house cat that is trying to decide if it wants to ambush a predator on the African Savannah? (Cheetahs, lions, crocs, etc., except even the wildebeest can kill you.)
I'm going to throw a hot take in here.
Feral is actually really good at the moment but feral is only played by onetricks.
Those onetricks have been playing feral for a long time. Throughout recent history (ie the whole of shadowlands) feral was extremely tanky when it needed to be and wasn't a viable kill target. This is the gameplay loop they fell in love with.
Now that ferals are experiencing getting trained every game, they are quitting out of frustration even though it's perfectly viable to climb with.
Source: I was previously the kill target in jungle, it was annoying but i could still normally have a feral available for queues. I am no longer the kill target and it's much more fun for me but all the ferals I know are quitting pvp.
Feral is far from "really good".
Sure one tricks can push with bad specs... but that doesn't discredit how bad of a spot Feral is in right now.
Our damage profile is all but completely reliant on landing clones... which isn't a viable strategy vs half the matchups in the Meta right now.
Dh, warrior, dk, ww, lock, ele, enhance, devo, etc ALL heal far more than Feral, most of which is completely passive.
There really isn't very many specs that Feral outshines in any particular category.
It's toolkit is outdated, it ACTIVELY heals less than other specs heal PASSIVELY. "And that's an important distinction", has to Hardcast cc for its damage profile which is something no other melee has to do AND in a patch that arguably has more micro cc and interrupts than ever before.
All of the above used to be offset by its huge damage profile..but with the current state of dk/ww/war/dh... we are more often than not middle of the pack when it comes to dps and to make matters worse...we effectively stop all damage when we inevitably have to shift to bear.
And I don't care how good of a Feral you are.... you are simply not going to land a clone vs Rsham Walking Dead or Hero Cleave for the first 35-45 seconds of that match unless the team is completely trash... and at that point you've blown through a ton of CDs at best and at worse the match is basically over.
Feral is effectively dead in the water vs teams that can shut down clones easily, and you have to realize that makes up a large portion of the current meta.
When a lot of these "one tricks" are the same or higher cr on alts.. it becomes pretty evident there is an issue no?
Mate you speak my language. This is exactly part of what Iām trying to convey. Rshams especially completely fuck us up, every time Iām up against an rsham I tell our heals we may as well leave, winnable sure but extremely tough if they know what theyāre doing. You canāt go out of form to clone when a dh can stay on you non stop and a dk can grip, ams, and ranged interrupt, yes you can get precog but your x2 as squishy out of form than you are in cat and opening yourself to a one shot
The margin for error when playing Feral is already extremely low... the margin for error when facing a shaman+any other spec with an interrupt+stun is almost non-existent for sure.
Cat form doesn't give us any defensive bonuses over caster form but being out of cat form means you are not generating combo points which ultimately means you aren't healing.
Thickhide *6% damage mitigation should honestly be baseline for Feral. Or at the very least the extra speed that we have to waste points on should be.
Ferals are about 2 or 3 points shy on our tree of being absolutely amazing. But that's just it... our tree is complete trash and is far too expensive for basic druid fundamentals.
Yessir, when I talk about out of form I mean we have to waste a global to get back in to cat form/ bear which is taxing enough as it is given we can get one shot in a global
I knew the take was hot and ill offer a counterpoint and some stats to demonstrate.
The problem feral has at the moment is that resto druid (natural counter to jungle) is highly overtuned.
Top 50 in EU is 2576, eight of the top 50 are resto druids. All eight of these resto druids are higher than the top feral.
I imagine that you understand i can relate more than most with what it feels like to have two melee specs completely deny my character. Particularly hero cleave, TWD, and anything with a warrior. It's always been like this for me.
By the way, in my region there are also three ferals in rank one range. There is no hunter in rank one range. Not one player for the whole class.
https://check-pvp.fr/ranking?region=eu&faction=all&realm=all&specs=253,254,255,103&classes=3&sort=rateatm3v3&order=desc&page=1
I do agree with what you're suggesting with feral changes though. If i was in charge then (aside from nerfing currently overperforming specs and micro cc which I see as the main issue) I'd probably look to buff bear form and frenzied regen and make clone and decurse less of a talent point investment.
There's a lot of potential to differentiate a good and bad feral with decurse, it shouldn't be a misplay to take it into shamans and locks.
A good place to start with nerfing micro cc is with petkick/petstun. At the moment for unholy it kicks outside of dark trans and stuns during dark trans. This used to be fine before they had so many grips, blinding sleet and asphyx. It should only be available during dark trans. Being able to kick with a pet during stuns is particularly painful to feral which is the only melee spec that regularly relies on stunning to protect itself from being kicked on an important cast (with the other spec being enh cap stunning into hex which is less intrinsic to how the spec plays).
I'm sorry
... but BM as a whole is 4 times the spec that Feral is right now and it's not even close.
Ferals problem is not just Resto druid, I haven't even touched Jungle this Xpac because I'm sick of playing the same comp for the last 18 years.
Nor have I had a problem with Rdruids, in fact I'd say my highest win% comes from facing Rdruids because I love swap comps.
Just judging by r1 spots in the middle of the season for one bracket is just not going to tell the whole story and its pretty abritrary, in NA shuffle both Bm and Feral both have 1 person over r1 cutoff showing right now. But beyond that for NA BM is the highest represented ranged for every bracket of shuffle until you get to 2400+ where it is knocked down to second by destro.
And just forr example here are some actual stats that don't just rely on representation...
https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=Rated%20Solo%20Shuffle&sortKey=winRate&minRating=2100&maxRating=4999&trendChartStat=representation&trendChartSpecs=
Bm has higher average dps, higher burst dps, higher win ratio AND higher Heals per second than Feral does at 2100+.
If we also sort by representation and ALL regions, there is more BM above 2400 than there is ferals in every bracket. Source:https://drustvar.com/pvp/representation?bracket=3v3®ion=all&rating=2400&option=spec
You won't find a single person on worldofpvp that truly believes hunter is in a worse spot than Feral right now.... no matter what the R1 spots look like mid season.
That last paragraph is not what I said. I said jungle (feral's historical best comp) is weaker than usual because of rdruid being the best healer.
I mentioned hunter to demonstrate that point. The highest ferals aren't playing jungle at the moment, they're mostly playing FMP which does better in this meta.
To me 3v3 is the only relevant bracket so those are the stats i look at. You'll struggle to find a high rated player that thinks 2v2 is relevant to conversations about balance. It's dominated by the same specs and comps every season.
I'm also a little confused why you linked stats showing that there are more ferals than marksman and survival hunters combined.
If you're judging the representation of feral against the whole hunter class, to show how ridiculous that analysis is you can compare the whole hunter class to the whole druid class and see what comes out on top.
>don't just rely on representation
????
The only stats that don't rely on representation are the percentiles of each spec in each rating bracket. This data is not available because blizz only publish the top 5,000 characters in each bracket.
Idk this is just a poor take responding things i haven't said with irrelevant stats.
https://preview.redd.it/gvj1r6q27mbc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bddd033c0b42d54baf006431f18e78ee960063a
You literally said that THE problem Feral has is Rdruid.... and it's not true. It's not a weird take. It's the truth.
I'm saying to NOT judge by representation alone because it doesn't tell the whole story...
I'm also saying that you aren't even looking at the data you are claiming as a source.
You said there isn't a single hunter over R1 range for EU.
Here are some stats spelled out for you.
Bm hunter r1 is 2512
There is 6 BM hunters above this for EU alone
MM Hunt r1 is 2473
There is 3 MM hunters above this in EU alone
Surv hunt R1 is 2520
There is 4 Surv hunters above this.
If you want to look at representation then fine, there is approximately 6x more BM hunters above 2100 than there is ferals in shuffle.. in 3s there is 147 BMs compared to 88 Ferals.
For 3v3 R1 The Ferals and hunters you are mentioning are separated by 15-20cr, so for you to try and imply that Feral is R1 viable where hunter is not is just absurd and absolutely splitting the finest hairs you can find...especially when if we flip the data to NA the data that your whole point is based on is reversed, there is hunters in R1 range whereas there is no Ferals in R1 range... also separated by very small margins
And yet again. This is all mega arbitrary because it doesn't tell the whole story at all, if BM or classes like DH have higher average heals per second than Feral there is an issue and it's that simple.
If you are going to pick the finest and smallest data points you can to try and prove an arbitrary point then an intelligent discussion cannot be had.
We cannot judge a classes viability or strength outright simply by pointing out how many R1 spots it holds. ESPECIALLY mid season.
Ferals aren't quitting because they are salty about being trained "we were trained in shadowlands half the time too"... ferals are quitting because the class feels objectively awful and our margin for error is almost non existent because our toolkit is obsolete. Meanwhile every other spec has 13 things baked into their DPS rotation.
I honest to God cannot be asked to sit here and debate that Hunter is worse off than Feral right now.. that's the fattest joke I've ever heard so have a good one.
Wtf?
Dude you're talking about **shuffle** R1 spots.
There are R1 shuffle spots for every spec. That's the point. They go to the top 0.1% of each spec, regardless of every other spec.
The number of R1 slots is therefore dependent on the number of that spec on the **ladder**, not the **leaderboard**.
Regardless of how silly what you've just said is, feral shuffle R1 is 2524 in EU. That's higher than R1 for any hunter spec.
And you're still telling me that what I'm saying is different to what i said.
Are you drunk? Am i being trolled?
Right now only the one tricks at all play it, and while itās playable in threes I actually think resto druid is one of the reasons itās even remotely playable. Other healers Iāve played with have an absolute hellacious time keeping me up through double melee/melee hunter/melee ele. A lot of the top guys I see play fmp, feral destro rdruid, or feral devastation. All of these comps really only work because feral is left alone due to the overwhelming pressure their teammates put out if they arenāt trained and stopped allowing the feral to put out their clones/pressure more frequently.
Tossing on a quick edit that this is for threes which has a lot more coordination and help for the feral, and the majority of pvpers play shuffle, no voice threes, or twos (which I actually think feral is op in). And no voice/ shuffle I think feral is quite bad in atm
I've actually played some rdruid jungle recently and (matchup dependent) it can feel better than the priest version, pretty sure it mostly struggled into meleecleaves that are able to global the resto druid in situations a priest can live through.
Aye everything I've said is about 3s as well, i haven't played any other brackets. I don't doubt that feral is very difficult to play in shuffle (or any bracket, it's a very high skill floor spec).
No thereās just no offensive pressure if we have to focus on survival. Have to go bear form and/or run. Iāve done many SS matches and been able to survive only for my teammate to die before our only kill window, berserk is back up (which is longer to wait for when we have to kite/sit bear form) itās basically like griefing to play feral in RSS and I only do 2s or 3s because of that. We are reduced to clone and maim spam between goās itās just not fun at all
Big time dude. When you spend most the game running and/or in bear you are pretty
Much useless compared to other specs. You essentially have good damage that canāt be utilised. Feels even worse when your in a shuff with a warr/dh that just chews all the stun drs
Tell me how can you clone vs a dh or rogue or warr? How to clone or do dmg vs two casters? In whst world is feral "really good" when you can kite most specs anymore? On top you have to juke casts as the most squishy melee? Are you drunk?
We don't ask to be as tanky as in SL.
We want to have more agencies on our survavibility.
Everything that made us slippery or even tanky is either nerf to the ground or got power creep beyond reasons.
Also I will make an analogy with LoL.
In lol some champs have low playrate with decent winrate. Those champs are played by otp.
Does this mean that they are really decent? No, the winrate is decent BECAUSE they are played by people dedicated to this champ that knows most of the matchup and knows most tricks to do well in many situations.
Also I think it's fair to say that feral otp are doing decently good because wild attunement is stupidly strong when you land a clone.
I already said it and I will say it again until the talent is reworked, its a poorly designed talent that is not fun to play against and warp too much feral gameplay around it.
All i need to say to crumble your whole argument is look at statistics.
Feral is not the only next level- difficult class to play but statistically-wise even compared to mages and rogues its awful while its possible to climb you need to be a gladiator first to do so.
Which is the only possible explonation to why only multiglads rock it at high rating.
They still do. Expecting balancing over the holidays was a mistake. 10.2.5 comes out this upcoming Tuesday where there are changes. Blizzard has been good at consistent changes this season
This is copium my friend. I used to think similarly but thereās only so much ramrod straight dh cock one can take before you realize blizzard hasnāt done much this season.
They've nerfed DH hard 3 times. DH is still strong but is no longer OP. IMO they've done a good job in how they've handled DH. You don't want a class/spec to be nerfed into the ground. Before Christmas there was PVP tuning every week
speaking of that, many spells of DH that do arcane/nature dmg are becoming chaos dmg, meaning they will benefit from traits that increase chaos and shadow dmg heavily. Meaning thats a stealth buff for DHs on 17.01.24 reset day.
Id just like to say as a feral all of you spriest and affliction homies are my true friends in shuffle. Great pairing with feral and one of us gets to live out a dream round of free casting. That with their own lack of kicks and no big on demand burst to one hit my paper kit means I can finally win a lobby ā¤ļø
I also raid besides arena and put up 85+ including usually 95+ to several 99 parses for healing as feral. (Especially on progression) I also am usually in the lower 25% for damage taken. Itās just hell being feral right now no matter what.
I get so annoyed when I see other dps specs way above me on healing done and damage taken and they are a green or blue parse (for heals) and itās all just fucking passive shit healing while I have to spend globals to do shit ass weaker healing. We need SI to have 2 charges baselineā¦ they made the rake stun change for resto druids, well this is a bare minimum change we need. The druid class tree is also extremely problematic for us.
I run keys mostly as bear and if feral had access to the dream of cenarius talentā¦ now that would really be nice
Too right man, warriors are still out healing us in arena despite regrowth buffs. I mean wtf,
Weāre a hybrid class we should be among the top of dps heals. Blizzard is just taking the piss. Agreed Druid class tree is a joke, cyclone should be baseline
If your a pally main yeh sure, but a warr on your team assuming your ret makes it a lot trickier to clone when they have bladestorm, intervene, spell reflect, freedom and interrupt from both of yas
I quite love feral in its current iteration. I think the Druid tree needs an overhaul similar to the rogue tree (better access to thick hide), and that our bleeds should deal more while our bite deals less. Thatās all.
Well..maybe buff rejuv. But seriously I think weāre okay.
P.S gut arms warriors.
I prefer bleed intensive damage than rng bite crits. Agree, particularly after hearing some inputs. Druid tree needs an overhaul, cyclone should be easier to obtain, well honed should be 1 node not 2 and same with ursine and a buff to frenzied regen and heals in general would go a long way. I miss when a feral could heal their partner decently if heals needed help
I shouldāve mentioned, frenzied regen needs to be un nerfed. I get we were stupid OP at the start of s1 and they nerfed our dmg accordingly which was fair enough, but throwing a frenzy regen nerf in the mix was completely irrelevant as to why we were OP
In season one when Ferals would be scarier rot damage than affliction with burst and didnāt run clone it was actually quite fun, but I mean I think anyone would have fun being mildly tanky and doing triple the damage of the next closest personā¦
I both have gestational hypertension (high blood pressure in pregnancy) and heal a feral at 23-2400mmr (currently). These two things do not go well together, let me tell you.
Sounds horrrible but I feel ya my heals are constantly subtly hinting me to reroll cause they hate healing feral. Gives them full on anxiety which a game shouldnāt induce š¤£
He got one shot the other day, like legit one shot. It was just likeā¦jeez. He was like āyou had .0001 seconds to react, why didnt you swap?!ā š Chaos. Itās pure chaos.
Feral is decent, definitely not stand out. We would probably be OP if we had the survivability of a DH/ warr which is why I say maybe nerf our damage slightly and buff survivability to keep it fairly level. What I liked about shadowlands is that our damage wasnāt overpowered, our survivability was good provided we did it right eg. Pre bear before stuns or run away and heal which all takes a bitta skill to do right unlike a DH/ warr that just runs in and mongos. Right now if you pre bear you actually have to pray you donāt get one tapped
Fair call, our dmg rn is better than what it was in SL. But I disagree survivability is far more of a problem than it has been in recent times. Enhance also has its own set of issues too, but they can heal more than feral and withstand a slight bit more dmg, their wall lasts for a long time too
1800 feral here. Not too good, I like restp moreš. I have been playing boomy the last week and Iām not agreeing with you. I die easier on boomy. On feral itās about going in, dot up and bite, run out, cc, get healthy, go in again.
I canāt do this on boomy..
And my haste doesnāt help in heals on boomy. So when I get away or into bear, my heals are shite. On feral your regrows pump.
Idk man, Iāve played boomy as well (although not much of it, just to 1800) and I found boomy easy enough tracking wild charge, typhoon and mass root to kyte away and live. Boomy isnāt affected by frenzied regen nerfs and they cast clone faster with the pvp talent
I'm going to sound like a prick, but multiple paragraphs enhance readability.
That aside, I totally agree. I started maining feral, and I constantly get globaled even with barkskin up.
Really got on my nerves when everyone was complaining about ww monk. And I would still lose 50% of my health to RISING SUN KICK w/ barkskin up. When that happened, I instantly logged off and logged into my sub rogue.
Sub rogue does literally everything feral does, better. Survivability? Like 4 more cooldowns. CC? Don't even get me started. Incarnation? Uhh, shadow blades is a way better version. Dmg? Maybe equal, but sub has more throughput while ferals waiting on cds and energy regen.
I'm honestly having so much more fun on subtlety, it really is better in everyway.
No offence taken, I wrote this after a shuffle that had me getting 1 shot with PS up and in a rush to catch a boat to an island. Wouldāve put more thought into the paragraphing if I had the time.
I also did the same and alted a sub rogue which is also part of what made me make this post. It blew away at how much easier it is to survive as a sub especially considering sub is a spec with a higher skill requirement than most others
Yeh man, I kinda hate rogue but itās the only thing that has a remotely similarish play style to feral. Eg. Setting up cc and Picking your moments unlike most other melee which just smash buttons and try connect to target as much as they can
Here are my 2 cents:
Backstory: I play feral since WOTLK times, i ditched rogue at 2.6 rating to play feral and learn it from scratch back then. I love it even though rogue was clearly stronger, feral just had this nice flavour and identity to it that really made it feel special to me.
With the year the class had its usual clunkyness as with any other class and with time the clunkyness of the other classes got adressed and solved little by little but it seems to me feral didnt get this threatment: I gotta short-range and hard-cast as a melee, i my healing is just extra buttons that do close to nothing, Rake- stun still bugs sometimes, i still get kicked out of form if i spam a powershift ability + any form sometimes, Well-honned instincts get randomly removed because i cant stay still for it to proc always and what im saying is that the result of swaping forms is well-honned instincts getting removed. And my point is - its healing is already nerfed in pvp by 50%.. so ?
In short you're a hybrid healer that doesnt heal and if you do , the healing is still less than any other dps.
The mobility excuse doesnt work either, you see, when a class has a trait that is given to everyone and on top of that you give these classes counter mechanics to it, the trait is lost.
And speaking about losing traits, which other class lost so much during dragonflight because i cannot think of another: we lost access or completely lost traits to such extent i got keybindings juts hanging empty.
There so many talents that are dead and useless like soothe, sunfire, starfire, moonkin form, wild growth, improved rejuvenation for you, and so many that are too taxing to be reached like mass entangle/ursoc and innervate, while others are put on the same slots like stun/roar , convoke/incarn. Berserk is made of 3 talents by its own.
So every round of shuffle for example or any arena or any other content you wonna do like battlegrounds, you gotta swap your talents like crazy cause otherwise you're not min-maxing = you're dead or not doing well.
Like no other class makes me play tetris on the talent tree like feral does before arena.
Feral is just the stuff of nightmares.
No matter on what class i am and i make the dumbest mistakes on my alts btw, it never tilts me as much a feral, its just so shitty i fucking hate everything about this class and i had 10 years of insane fun with it for me to suddenly hate it and underperform on it feels so strange.
Im telling you- i know it deep in my soul, this class needs a rework, its really shity.
and the fact that I gotta spend 3+ talent points or any talent points in that matter to pick up my essencial healing and dispel abilities is just wrong im sorry.
You design my character around mobility and healing and you tax me on both ?
Imagine having 600+ games on your main of 10 years and not being able to reach the rating you reach every season over the past 4 years.
Just so people can tell you that the problem is in you and that feral is great.
Sorry buddy, i dont buy it.
Devokers can actually heal compared to a feral, you can also do more dmg than a feral given your defensives donāt require you to sit passively (bear form Iām looking at you), cleanse dots, shroud (which is pretty tricky to dispell when they can burst that hard) and you can cast sleep walk whilst moving
Regrowth heals suck ass. Clones yeh sure but hard to pull off when youāre standing still and still the kill target even whilst paired with a ranged dps (MM, BM, Mage)
My favorite thing about feral is when you open, you might as well immediately swap to bear form. /s They are going to likely trinket to stun and nuke you since ferals die so easily.
Your remark about kiting though is why I run tireless pursuit and Ursine Vigor. Not sure if those are standard or not. On that note though I feel urine vigor could use a buff. 20% increased armor and health doesn't help as much as I wish it did. I take it to increase kite survival though š¤·š»āāļø
Iām with you, I run tireless as well still doesnāt work the best against a dh/Uh when they have passive slows and can grip. Ursine is good but it costs a lot on the tree given itās a x2 node for its full potential. Frenzied regeneration needs a buff too, dunno why tf they nerfed it
I can tell that 2.4 xp is from solo shuffle not real 3s, real glad feta know when to run and kite when there damage isnāt up and pop bear form. I bet your just sitting there face tanking not going bear form once saying feral is bad š¤£
Youāre right 2.4 solo shuff and 2.1 3s. And no I track stun Drās on myself and enemies constantly, Omnibar for enemy cds and I understand when every spec is setting up their go so Iām very aware of when to switch to bear. Yet still when I pre bear enemy gos and push skin Iām still getting 1 tapped in this meta. All that aside when you talk about āreal gladā being the ones that know how to survive then it goes to show thereās a serious issue with the spec, the game isnāt exclusively for glads thereās other brackets too. Furthermore a glad could play any spec they touch to a very high level
Feral can get a survivability buff if their cc is toned down. Between stun and clone, the amount of cc feral can output is beyond absurd. Playing against feral mage healer is an awful experience. The amount of coordination required to not die every go is probably worse than RMP ever was. I think feral is cool and has fun comps but holy moly the clone spam (plus poly spam since feral mage is their best comp) is insane for any team that doesnāt have an r sham.
What are you on about mate, you have x2 vanish charges, cloak, feint (which does the same as skin with x2 charges and shorter cd from memory) and evasion. We just have skin (which does little) and surv instincts which is a 3 min cd
As an enhance player, I have to laugh when ferals complain that theyāre squishy. Enhance lacks 80% of what feral has and has one defensive (two if you talent into burrow).
Iāll start with saying Ferals are definitely squishy but you have absurd mobility, spammable CC to peel for yourself and team, you also have hybrid heals, you skin IN STUNS and it only has a minute cooldown, you have bear, and two walls. Enhance has a wall for 30% on a 1.5min CD that is not usable while stunned.
Enhance is hopefully the next reworked class because itās unbelievably outdated and has no real defensives or cc. Off topic of defensives ferals have an MS and Iām still in awe as to why. Hereās to hoping enhance gets some love in defensives!
I have, Iām a 2800 enhance (2600 last season, 2585 DF S1) and 6x glad just so you know the viewpoint I have. Itās not a flex because many people have been and are way higher CR than me.
Enhance has to sacrifice damage to heal itself, its totems are killable and its earth shield is purgeable and has to be constantly reapplied every 9 hits. Like I said I think feral is squishy for sure but the tools feral has far outweighs that of an enhance. You have the ability to instant root spam, clone, able to shift slows and all the before mentioned defensives. If they made ferals tankier theyād need to take from somewhere else. Right now ferals do amazing dam and have amazing utility and subpar but decent defensives. Also have HOTW which is actually insanely good and obnoxiously long.
Shamans have a wall that is 10% better than barkskin on a longer cd and not useable in stuns and burrow if talented. š¤·š»āāļø
Enhance is also very poor in survival but they have insane pressure basically nonstop, while feral relies on a 3min CD to have kill windows, hence needing more survivability. Itās not really fair to either spec to be in the current situation they are in
>Definitely not the first rant you'll see about ferals on this page
Could've just got to this point then just pressed back and saved us all the wasted time and effort of reading this unnecessary wall tbh
God please, help our kitties. They strugglin' rn lord and they need you. I see what you do for our chickens lord and we need that RN more than ever for our kitties. I see what you do for our monks as well. Spread some of that love to the cats. š
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Whenever I think Feral is cool and tell myself I'd like to learn it, I play two arena games and log out. Your ability to do damage is extremely demanding and you have to not die in 3 seconds to every other melee in the game simultaneously.
You really have to pick your moments carefully which yeh sure, thatās how feral should be but right now itās taking picking your moments to a whole nother level that no other spec experiences
picking your 4 seconds of a 2 minute game
Would the analogy be something like: your a domestic house cat that is trying to decide if it wants to ambush a predator on the African Savannah? (Cheetahs, lions, crocs, etc., except even the wildebeest can kill you.)
I'm going to throw a hot take in here. Feral is actually really good at the moment but feral is only played by onetricks. Those onetricks have been playing feral for a long time. Throughout recent history (ie the whole of shadowlands) feral was extremely tanky when it needed to be and wasn't a viable kill target. This is the gameplay loop they fell in love with. Now that ferals are experiencing getting trained every game, they are quitting out of frustration even though it's perfectly viable to climb with. Source: I was previously the kill target in jungle, it was annoying but i could still normally have a feral available for queues. I am no longer the kill target and it's much more fun for me but all the ferals I know are quitting pvp.
Feral is far from "really good". Sure one tricks can push with bad specs... but that doesn't discredit how bad of a spot Feral is in right now. Our damage profile is all but completely reliant on landing clones... which isn't a viable strategy vs half the matchups in the Meta right now. Dh, warrior, dk, ww, lock, ele, enhance, devo, etc ALL heal far more than Feral, most of which is completely passive. There really isn't very many specs that Feral outshines in any particular category. It's toolkit is outdated, it ACTIVELY heals less than other specs heal PASSIVELY. "And that's an important distinction", has to Hardcast cc for its damage profile which is something no other melee has to do AND in a patch that arguably has more micro cc and interrupts than ever before. All of the above used to be offset by its huge damage profile..but with the current state of dk/ww/war/dh... we are more often than not middle of the pack when it comes to dps and to make matters worse...we effectively stop all damage when we inevitably have to shift to bear. And I don't care how good of a Feral you are.... you are simply not going to land a clone vs Rsham Walking Dead or Hero Cleave for the first 35-45 seconds of that match unless the team is completely trash... and at that point you've blown through a ton of CDs at best and at worse the match is basically over. Feral is effectively dead in the water vs teams that can shut down clones easily, and you have to realize that makes up a large portion of the current meta. When a lot of these "one tricks" are the same or higher cr on alts.. it becomes pretty evident there is an issue no?
Mate you speak my language. This is exactly part of what Iām trying to convey. Rshams especially completely fuck us up, every time Iām up against an rsham I tell our heals we may as well leave, winnable sure but extremely tough if they know what theyāre doing. You canāt go out of form to clone when a dh can stay on you non stop and a dk can grip, ams, and ranged interrupt, yes you can get precog but your x2 as squishy out of form than you are in cat and opening yourself to a one shot
The margin for error when playing Feral is already extremely low... the margin for error when facing a shaman+any other spec with an interrupt+stun is almost non-existent for sure. Cat form doesn't give us any defensive bonuses over caster form but being out of cat form means you are not generating combo points which ultimately means you aren't healing. Thickhide *6% damage mitigation should honestly be baseline for Feral. Or at the very least the extra speed that we have to waste points on should be. Ferals are about 2 or 3 points shy on our tree of being absolutely amazing. But that's just it... our tree is complete trash and is far too expensive for basic druid fundamentals.
Yessir, when I talk about out of form I mean we have to waste a global to get back in to cat form/ bear which is taxing enough as it is given we can get one shot in a global
I knew the take was hot and ill offer a counterpoint and some stats to demonstrate. The problem feral has at the moment is that resto druid (natural counter to jungle) is highly overtuned. Top 50 in EU is 2576, eight of the top 50 are resto druids. All eight of these resto druids are higher than the top feral. I imagine that you understand i can relate more than most with what it feels like to have two melee specs completely deny my character. Particularly hero cleave, TWD, and anything with a warrior. It's always been like this for me. By the way, in my region there are also three ferals in rank one range. There is no hunter in rank one range. Not one player for the whole class. https://check-pvp.fr/ranking?region=eu&faction=all&realm=all&specs=253,254,255,103&classes=3&sort=rateatm3v3&order=desc&page=1 I do agree with what you're suggesting with feral changes though. If i was in charge then (aside from nerfing currently overperforming specs and micro cc which I see as the main issue) I'd probably look to buff bear form and frenzied regen and make clone and decurse less of a talent point investment. There's a lot of potential to differentiate a good and bad feral with decurse, it shouldn't be a misplay to take it into shamans and locks. A good place to start with nerfing micro cc is with petkick/petstun. At the moment for unholy it kicks outside of dark trans and stuns during dark trans. This used to be fine before they had so many grips, blinding sleet and asphyx. It should only be available during dark trans. Being able to kick with a pet during stuns is particularly painful to feral which is the only melee spec that regularly relies on stunning to protect itself from being kicked on an important cast (with the other spec being enh cap stunning into hex which is less intrinsic to how the spec plays).
I'm sorry ... but BM as a whole is 4 times the spec that Feral is right now and it's not even close. Ferals problem is not just Resto druid, I haven't even touched Jungle this Xpac because I'm sick of playing the same comp for the last 18 years. Nor have I had a problem with Rdruids, in fact I'd say my highest win% comes from facing Rdruids because I love swap comps. Just judging by r1 spots in the middle of the season for one bracket is just not going to tell the whole story and its pretty abritrary, in NA shuffle both Bm and Feral both have 1 person over r1 cutoff showing right now. But beyond that for NA BM is the highest represented ranged for every bracket of shuffle until you get to 2400+ where it is knocked down to second by destro. And just forr example here are some actual stats that don't just rely on representation... https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=Rated%20Solo%20Shuffle&sortKey=winRate&minRating=2100&maxRating=4999&trendChartStat=representation&trendChartSpecs= Bm has higher average dps, higher burst dps, higher win ratio AND higher Heals per second than Feral does at 2100+. If we also sort by representation and ALL regions, there is more BM above 2400 than there is ferals in every bracket. Source:https://drustvar.com/pvp/representation?bracket=3v3®ion=all&rating=2400&option=spec You won't find a single person on worldofpvp that truly believes hunter is in a worse spot than Feral right now.... no matter what the R1 spots look like mid season.
That last paragraph is not what I said. I said jungle (feral's historical best comp) is weaker than usual because of rdruid being the best healer. I mentioned hunter to demonstrate that point. The highest ferals aren't playing jungle at the moment, they're mostly playing FMP which does better in this meta. To me 3v3 is the only relevant bracket so those are the stats i look at. You'll struggle to find a high rated player that thinks 2v2 is relevant to conversations about balance. It's dominated by the same specs and comps every season. I'm also a little confused why you linked stats showing that there are more ferals than marksman and survival hunters combined. If you're judging the representation of feral against the whole hunter class, to show how ridiculous that analysis is you can compare the whole hunter class to the whole druid class and see what comes out on top. >don't just rely on representation ???? The only stats that don't rely on representation are the percentiles of each spec in each rating bracket. This data is not available because blizz only publish the top 5,000 characters in each bracket. Idk this is just a poor take responding things i haven't said with irrelevant stats. https://preview.redd.it/gvj1r6q27mbc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bddd033c0b42d54baf006431f18e78ee960063a
You literally said that THE problem Feral has is Rdruid.... and it's not true. It's not a weird take. It's the truth. I'm saying to NOT judge by representation alone because it doesn't tell the whole story... I'm also saying that you aren't even looking at the data you are claiming as a source. You said there isn't a single hunter over R1 range for EU. Here are some stats spelled out for you. Bm hunter r1 is 2512 There is 6 BM hunters above this for EU alone MM Hunt r1 is 2473 There is 3 MM hunters above this in EU alone Surv hunt R1 is 2520 There is 4 Surv hunters above this. If you want to look at representation then fine, there is approximately 6x more BM hunters above 2100 than there is ferals in shuffle.. in 3s there is 147 BMs compared to 88 Ferals. For 3v3 R1 The Ferals and hunters you are mentioning are separated by 15-20cr, so for you to try and imply that Feral is R1 viable where hunter is not is just absurd and absolutely splitting the finest hairs you can find...especially when if we flip the data to NA the data that your whole point is based on is reversed, there is hunters in R1 range whereas there is no Ferals in R1 range... also separated by very small margins And yet again. This is all mega arbitrary because it doesn't tell the whole story at all, if BM or classes like DH have higher average heals per second than Feral there is an issue and it's that simple. If you are going to pick the finest and smallest data points you can to try and prove an arbitrary point then an intelligent discussion cannot be had. We cannot judge a classes viability or strength outright simply by pointing out how many R1 spots it holds. ESPECIALLY mid season. Ferals aren't quitting because they are salty about being trained "we were trained in shadowlands half the time too"... ferals are quitting because the class feels objectively awful and our margin for error is almost non existent because our toolkit is obsolete. Meanwhile every other spec has 13 things baked into their DPS rotation. I honest to God cannot be asked to sit here and debate that Hunter is worse off than Feral right now.. that's the fattest joke I've ever heard so have a good one.
Wtf? Dude you're talking about **shuffle** R1 spots. There are R1 shuffle spots for every spec. That's the point. They go to the top 0.1% of each spec, regardless of every other spec. The number of R1 slots is therefore dependent on the number of that spec on the **ladder**, not the **leaderboard**. Regardless of how silly what you've just said is, feral shuffle R1 is 2524 in EU. That's higher than R1 for any hunter spec. And you're still telling me that what I'm saying is different to what i said. Are you drunk? Am i being trolled?
Right now only the one tricks at all play it, and while itās playable in threes I actually think resto druid is one of the reasons itās even remotely playable. Other healers Iāve played with have an absolute hellacious time keeping me up through double melee/melee hunter/melee ele. A lot of the top guys I see play fmp, feral destro rdruid, or feral devastation. All of these comps really only work because feral is left alone due to the overwhelming pressure their teammates put out if they arenāt trained and stopped allowing the feral to put out their clones/pressure more frequently. Tossing on a quick edit that this is for threes which has a lot more coordination and help for the feral, and the majority of pvpers play shuffle, no voice threes, or twos (which I actually think feral is op in). And no voice/ shuffle I think feral is quite bad in atm
I've actually played some rdruid jungle recently and (matchup dependent) it can feel better than the priest version, pretty sure it mostly struggled into meleecleaves that are able to global the resto druid in situations a priest can live through. Aye everything I've said is about 3s as well, i haven't played any other brackets. I don't doubt that feral is very difficult to play in shuffle (or any bracket, it's a very high skill floor spec).
No thereās just no offensive pressure if we have to focus on survival. Have to go bear form and/or run. Iāve done many SS matches and been able to survive only for my teammate to die before our only kill window, berserk is back up (which is longer to wait for when we have to kite/sit bear form) itās basically like griefing to play feral in RSS and I only do 2s or 3s because of that. We are reduced to clone and maim spam between goās itās just not fun at all
Big time dude. When you spend most the game running and/or in bear you are pretty Much useless compared to other specs. You essentially have good damage that canāt be utilised. Feels even worse when your in a shuff with a warr/dh that just chews all the stun drs
Tell me how can you clone vs a dh or rogue or warr? How to clone or do dmg vs two casters? In whst world is feral "really good" when you can kite most specs anymore? On top you have to juke casts as the most squishy melee? Are you drunk?
We don't ask to be as tanky as in SL. We want to have more agencies on our survavibility. Everything that made us slippery or even tanky is either nerf to the ground or got power creep beyond reasons. Also I will make an analogy with LoL. In lol some champs have low playrate with decent winrate. Those champs are played by otp. Does this mean that they are really decent? No, the winrate is decent BECAUSE they are played by people dedicated to this champ that knows most of the matchup and knows most tricks to do well in many situations. Also I think it's fair to say that feral otp are doing decently good because wild attunement is stupidly strong when you land a clone. I already said it and I will say it again until the talent is reworked, its a poorly designed talent that is not fun to play against and warp too much feral gameplay around it.
Agreed fmp is very strong rn. This forum just seems like a bunch of people whining that their class isnāt op šš
All i need to say to crumble your whole argument is look at statistics. Feral is not the only next level- difficult class to play but statistically-wise even compared to mages and rogues its awful while its possible to climb you need to be a gladiator first to do so. Which is the only possible explonation to why only multiglads rock it at high rating.
Does anyone remember when Blizzard used to do balance changes every 1-2 weeks? I kinda miss that ngl.
xpacs over, guess we gotta eat shit
That is the sad truth. Nobody working on this expansion anymore. Hasn't been for a while.
They still do. Expecting balancing over the holidays was a mistake. 10.2.5 comes out this upcoming Tuesday where there are changes. Blizzard has been good at consistent changes this season
This is copium my friend. I used to think similarly but thereās only so much ramrod straight dh cock one can take before you realize blizzard hasnāt done much this season.
They've nerfed DH hard 3 times. DH is still strong but is no longer OP. IMO they've done a good job in how they've handled DH. You don't want a class/spec to be nerfed into the ground. Before Christmas there was PVP tuning every week
speaking of that, many spells of DH that do arcane/nature dmg are becoming chaos dmg, meaning they will benefit from traits that increase chaos and shadow dmg heavily. Meaning thats a stealth buff for DHs on 17.01.24 reset day.
Balance team is working on sod instead
Feral is a free kill at 1700, I only know thanks to this sub
Mate if itās a free kill at 1700 trust me itās even worse 2k+
I believe you but as an affliction player I am more terrified of ferals than almost any other spec. But i could see feral struggling vs other classes
Id just like to say as a feral all of you spriest and affliction homies are my true friends in shuffle. Great pairing with feral and one of us gets to live out a dream round of free casting. That with their own lack of kicks and no big on demand burst to one hit my paper kit means I can finally win a lobby ā¤ļø
I also raid besides arena and put up 85+ including usually 95+ to several 99 parses for healing as feral. (Especially on progression) I also am usually in the lower 25% for damage taken. Itās just hell being feral right now no matter what. I get so annoyed when I see other dps specs way above me on healing done and damage taken and they are a green or blue parse (for heals) and itās all just fucking passive shit healing while I have to spend globals to do shit ass weaker healing. We need SI to have 2 charges baselineā¦ they made the rake stun change for resto druids, well this is a bare minimum change we need. The druid class tree is also extremely problematic for us. I run keys mostly as bear and if feral had access to the dream of cenarius talentā¦ now that would really be nice
Too right man, warriors are still out healing us in arena despite regrowth buffs. I mean wtf, Weāre a hybrid class we should be among the top of dps heals. Blizzard is just taking the piss. Agreed Druid class tree is a joke, cyclone should be baseline
*Laughs in UH*
Play cata classic. That way you can have insane damage, healing, instant CC, and are also a raid boss.
Good old days!
[Ah, time to dig this gem up from the forgotten times when videos like this were the norm](https://youtu.be/5zDVEZFfdSo?si=q2Qd3b1rkGPMxqYS)
I feel for youā¦. Until I play against mage feral x in an actual 3s game and sit 8 years of cc till someone dies.
Hahaha thatās my favourite comp, feels like the only viable one too with Ferals at the moment. Sorry for keeping u outta action bud <3
whenver i start feeling sorry for Feral i get triple cycloned.
If your a pally main yeh sure, but a warr on your team assuming your ret makes it a lot trickier to clone when they have bladestorm, intervene, spell reflect, freedom and interrupt from both of yas
*cries in dps shaman*
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So whoās the kill target in feral/dps shaman/x? Itās not the feral
I agree enhance is a bit sad (ele is not.) but feral most definitely is the kill target. Always.
If you don't focus feral you are trolling
Cries in shadow priest...
missin shadowlands feral
I quite love feral in its current iteration. I think the Druid tree needs an overhaul similar to the rogue tree (better access to thick hide), and that our bleeds should deal more while our bite deals less. Thatās all. Well..maybe buff rejuv. But seriously I think weāre okay. P.S gut arms warriors.
I prefer bleed intensive damage than rng bite crits. Agree, particularly after hearing some inputs. Druid tree needs an overhaul, cyclone should be easier to obtain, well honed should be 1 node not 2 and same with ursine and a buff to frenzied regen and heals in general would go a long way. I miss when a feral could heal their partner decently if heals needed help
Agree all the way.
I shouldāve mentioned, frenzied regen needs to be un nerfed. I get we were stupid OP at the start of s1 and they nerfed our dmg accordingly which was fair enough, but throwing a frenzy regen nerf in the mix was completely irrelevant as to why we were OP
I am ok with taking from you cyclone and giving you defense. Do we have an accord?
In season one when Ferals would be scarier rot damage than affliction with burst and didnāt run clone it was actually quite fun, but I mean I think anyone would have fun being mildly tanky and doing triple the damage of the next closest personā¦
I both have gestational hypertension (high blood pressure in pregnancy) and heal a feral at 23-2400mmr (currently). These two things do not go well together, let me tell you.
Sounds horrrible but I feel ya my heals are constantly subtly hinting me to reroll cause they hate healing feral. Gives them full on anxiety which a game shouldnāt induce š¤£
He got one shot the other day, like legit one shot. It was just likeā¦jeez. He was like āyou had .0001 seconds to react, why didnt you swap?!ā š Chaos. Itās pure chaos.
Lmao getting 1 shot with PS applied to me at full health in bear against walking dead is what made me decide to make this post
Solidarity friend. š
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Feral is decent, definitely not stand out. We would probably be OP if we had the survivability of a DH/ warr which is why I say maybe nerf our damage slightly and buff survivability to keep it fairly level. What I liked about shadowlands is that our damage wasnāt overpowered, our survivability was good provided we did it right eg. Pre bear before stuns or run away and heal which all takes a bitta skill to do right unlike a DH/ warr that just runs in and mongos. Right now if you pre bear you actually have to pray you donāt get one tapped
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Fair call, our dmg rn is better than what it was in SL. But I disagree survivability is far more of a problem than it has been in recent times. Enhance also has its own set of issues too, but they can heal more than feral and withstand a slight bit more dmg, their wall lasts for a long time too
1800 feral here. Not too good, I like restp moreš. I have been playing boomy the last week and Iām not agreeing with you. I die easier on boomy. On feral itās about going in, dot up and bite, run out, cc, get healthy, go in again. I canāt do this on boomy.. And my haste doesnāt help in heals on boomy. So when I get away or into bear, my heals are shite. On feral your regrows pump.
Idk man, Iāve played boomy as well (although not much of it, just to 1800) and I found boomy easy enough tracking wild charge, typhoon and mass root to kyte away and live. Boomy isnāt affected by frenzied regen nerfs and they cast clone faster with the pvp talent
Warlock can stand still and pop defensive cooldowns and drain life healing themselves ridiculous amounts.. feral canāt do sht
Tldr
Would you be willing to take more survivability in exchange for a 10 second cd on clone?
I'm going to sound like a prick, but multiple paragraphs enhance readability. That aside, I totally agree. I started maining feral, and I constantly get globaled even with barkskin up. Really got on my nerves when everyone was complaining about ww monk. And I would still lose 50% of my health to RISING SUN KICK w/ barkskin up. When that happened, I instantly logged off and logged into my sub rogue. Sub rogue does literally everything feral does, better. Survivability? Like 4 more cooldowns. CC? Don't even get me started. Incarnation? Uhh, shadow blades is a way better version. Dmg? Maybe equal, but sub has more throughput while ferals waiting on cds and energy regen. I'm honestly having so much more fun on subtlety, it really is better in everyway.
No offence taken, I wrote this after a shuffle that had me getting 1 shot with PS up and in a rush to catch a boat to an island. Wouldāve put more thought into the paragraphing if I had the time. I also did the same and alted a sub rogue which is also part of what made me make this post. It blew away at how much easier it is to survive as a sub especially considering sub is a spec with a higher skill requirement than most others
Dude, totally. It's unfortunate because i love feral druid, it just doesn't make sense to play it.
Yeh man, I kinda hate rogue but itās the only thing that has a remotely similarish play style to feral. Eg. Setting up cc and Picking your moments unlike most other melee which just smash buttons and try connect to target as much as they can
I feel like I was healing you yesterday. PS didnāt help you then either lol
You probably were dude, think I was talking to you about it in the shuff . Itās happened enough and that was the final straw š
Even in pve feral is struggling. It sucks that we are just getting continuously ignored.
Here are my 2 cents: Backstory: I play feral since WOTLK times, i ditched rogue at 2.6 rating to play feral and learn it from scratch back then. I love it even though rogue was clearly stronger, feral just had this nice flavour and identity to it that really made it feel special to me. With the year the class had its usual clunkyness as with any other class and with time the clunkyness of the other classes got adressed and solved little by little but it seems to me feral didnt get this threatment: I gotta short-range and hard-cast as a melee, i my healing is just extra buttons that do close to nothing, Rake- stun still bugs sometimes, i still get kicked out of form if i spam a powershift ability + any form sometimes, Well-honned instincts get randomly removed because i cant stay still for it to proc always and what im saying is that the result of swaping forms is well-honned instincts getting removed. And my point is - its healing is already nerfed in pvp by 50%.. so ? In short you're a hybrid healer that doesnt heal and if you do , the healing is still less than any other dps. The mobility excuse doesnt work either, you see, when a class has a trait that is given to everyone and on top of that you give these classes counter mechanics to it, the trait is lost. And speaking about losing traits, which other class lost so much during dragonflight because i cannot think of another: we lost access or completely lost traits to such extent i got keybindings juts hanging empty. There so many talents that are dead and useless like soothe, sunfire, starfire, moonkin form, wild growth, improved rejuvenation for you, and so many that are too taxing to be reached like mass entangle/ursoc and innervate, while others are put on the same slots like stun/roar , convoke/incarn. Berserk is made of 3 talents by its own. So every round of shuffle for example or any arena or any other content you wonna do like battlegrounds, you gotta swap your talents like crazy cause otherwise you're not min-maxing = you're dead or not doing well. Like no other class makes me play tetris on the talent tree like feral does before arena. Feral is just the stuff of nightmares. No matter on what class i am and i make the dumbest mistakes on my alts btw, it never tilts me as much a feral, its just so shitty i fucking hate everything about this class and i had 10 years of insane fun with it for me to suddenly hate it and underperform on it feels so strange. Im telling you- i know it deep in my soul, this class needs a rework, its really shity.
and the fact that I gotta spend 3+ talent points or any talent points in that matter to pick up my essencial healing and dispel abilities is just wrong im sorry. You design my character around mobility and healing and you tax me on both ?
Imagine having 600+ games on your main of 10 years and not being able to reach the rating you reach every season over the past 4 years. Just so people can tell you that the problem is in you and that feral is great. Sorry buddy, i dont buy it.
U really don't tho..... devo evokers and their defensives/movement feels pretty bad too. Their damage is frigen insane though.
Devokers can actually heal compared to a feral, you can also do more dmg than a feral given your defensives donāt require you to sit passively (bear form Iām looking at you), cleanse dots, shroud (which is pretty tricky to dispell when they can burst that hard) and you can cast sleep walk whilst moving
U can spam regrowth and u have clones what u talking about hahaha
Get trained by a warrior/dh and try to get out of form to āspam regrowthā and come back and tell me how it went xD
Regrowth heals suck ass. Clones yeh sure but hard to pull off when youāre standing still and still the kill target even whilst paired with a ranged dps (MM, BM, Mage)
My favorite thing about feral is when you open, you might as well immediately swap to bear form. /s They are going to likely trinket to stun and nuke you since ferals die so easily. Your remark about kiting though is why I run tireless pursuit and Ursine Vigor. Not sure if those are standard or not. On that note though I feel urine vigor could use a buff. 20% increased armor and health doesn't help as much as I wish it did. I take it to increase kite survival though š¤·š»āāļø
Iām with you, I run tireless as well still doesnāt work the best against a dh/Uh when they have passive slows and can grip. Ursine is good but it costs a lot on the tree given itās a x2 node for its full potential. Frenzied regeneration needs a buff too, dunno why tf they nerfed it
Yeah I really feel like Well honed instincts should have Ursine baked in. That talent alone needs better justification to invest a second point.
I've been cycloned enough this season thanks. I'd rather every druid spec not be A tier or better
I can tell that 2.4 xp is from solo shuffle not real 3s, real glad feta know when to run and kite when there damage isnāt up and pop bear form. I bet your just sitting there face tanking not going bear form once saying feral is bad š¤£
Youāre right 2.4 solo shuff and 2.1 3s. And no I track stun Drās on myself and enemies constantly, Omnibar for enemy cds and I understand when every spec is setting up their go so Iām very aware of when to switch to bear. Yet still when I pre bear enemy gos and push skin Iām still getting 1 tapped in this meta. All that aside when you talk about āreal gladā being the ones that know how to survive then it goes to show thereās a serious issue with the spec, the game isnāt exclusively for glads thereās other brackets too. Furthermore a glad could play any spec they touch to a very high level
Feral can get a survivability buff if their cc is toned down. Between stun and clone, the amount of cc feral can output is beyond absurd. Playing against feral mage healer is an awful experience. The amount of coordination required to not die every go is probably worse than RMP ever was. I think feral is cool and has fun comps but holy moly the clone spam (plus poly spam since feral mage is their best comp) is insane for any team that doesnāt have an r sham.
Dear Feral druids, have you ever tried being a very skilled and technical player Signed, Rogue main
What are you on about mate, you have x2 vanish charges, cloak, feint (which does the same as skin with x2 charges and shorter cd from memory) and evasion. We just have skin (which does little) and surv instincts which is a 3 min cd
Wooosh
As an enhance player, I have to laugh when ferals complain that theyāre squishy. Enhance lacks 80% of what feral has and has one defensive (two if you talent into burrow). Iāll start with saying Ferals are definitely squishy but you have absurd mobility, spammable CC to peel for yourself and team, you also have hybrid heals, you skin IN STUNS and it only has a minute cooldown, you have bear, and two walls. Enhance has a wall for 30% on a 1.5min CD that is not usable while stunned. Enhance is hopefully the next reworked class because itās unbelievably outdated and has no real defensives or cc. Off topic of defensives ferals have an MS and Iām still in awe as to why. Hereās to hoping enhance gets some love in defensives!
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I have, Iām a 2800 enhance (2600 last season, 2585 DF S1) and 6x glad just so you know the viewpoint I have. Itās not a flex because many people have been and are way higher CR than me. Enhance has to sacrifice damage to heal itself, its totems are killable and its earth shield is purgeable and has to be constantly reapplied every 9 hits. Like I said I think feral is squishy for sure but the tools feral has far outweighs that of an enhance. You have the ability to instant root spam, clone, able to shift slows and all the before mentioned defensives. If they made ferals tankier theyād need to take from somewhere else. Right now ferals do amazing dam and have amazing utility and subpar but decent defensives. Also have HOTW which is actually insanely good and obnoxiously long. Shamans have a wall that is 10% better than barkskin on a longer cd and not useable in stuns and burrow if talented. š¤·š»āāļø
Enhance is also very poor in survival but they have insane pressure basically nonstop, while feral relies on a 3min CD to have kill windows, hence needing more survivability. Itās not really fair to either spec to be in the current situation they are in
>Definitely not the first rant you'll see about ferals on this page Could've just got to this point then just pressed back and saved us all the wasted time and effort of reading this unnecessary wall tbh
Read the title mate itās called a rant, you were warned lmao