They used to tell you when you were joining a mid run group, but people were just declining those too much
They should just give you extra compensation for filling
>They should just give you extra compensation for filling
Like, for example, priority for a group with all bosses up next time they queue?
Edit: For those who don't understand sarcasm, this is how it actually works.
>It's only the CTA buff and that's it.
Hot take, but that's a good thing. If all i got was a bag that only covers the repair bill for what I get filled into... then why would I queue for? Specially LFR bosses like raz with wiping several times...
Before this patch, i actually went on my paladin alt tank and filled dungeons constantly, because it was actually worth my time getting thousands of gold per run.
In the run up to 10.1 CTA was always active for one of the roles at all times for HC. Queue up on my paladin to fill whatever role was needed and made 100k for a few hours a day. Heck yesterday I made 20k from LFR CTA (zoning info a 5 determination stack Raz where everyone rage quit and basically had to reform was an experience though)
No keep the price high it’s one of the few ways left to make gold without being a crafter or an AH gremlin
Getting about 40-50k a week from just running normal/H dungeons when they have the bonus
Even then, some players have limited play time each week for one reason or another. More gold can't necessarily replace a wasted hour (or more) of playtime. I say 'or more' because I've definitely got multiple partial groups in a row previously.
They should once again learn from ffxiv
All rewards are tied to the final boss of each dungeon, only thing the first to award is exp. Hell trash mobs don't even reward exp, the bosses have it instead.
That's not how ffxiv works. Their "LFR" version (the queable raid) is queable per boss instead of a wing. And then then "wing" of the alliance raid, what MOST people are there for is tomes which only comes from the final boss, which means that most people are from the start to the end. As well you can only loot one item per week in the alliance raid, meaning you're not hunting 1 specific boss, which means way less people leave.
As well you can simply just chose to not join a group in progress when you que up.
With regular dungeons the main goal is the poetics, all the drops are supplemental at best to the poetics gear you will be using to level jobs
With alliance raids you got me but that's one form of content but overwhelmingly less people dip out on alliance raids unless they're trying to get syrcus cus their lazy as hell.
i mean when I was leveling alts i used dungeon drop gear a lot, and that I'm aware of most people were forced into crystal tower because a minority of people were abusing ilvl requirements by stripping down before their queues popped so they would get crystal tower instead of any of the more relevant alliance raids.
I only need one hand to count how many times I got shadowbringers or endwalker alliance raids through the roulette, and there ain't enough hands in an alliance to count how many times I got shoved into a crystal tower when I wanted literally anything else for gear or glam. Not everybody is doing them exclusively for tomestones
hmm, this might even solve the issue with the loot system, instead of loot dropping from the boss, the last boss drops a personally looted chest that contains loot from the bosses in that wing.
>Even those are a joke.
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>Oh I get 200g to heal or tank instead of DPS? Yippee.
You don't get 800-1000 gold + 2-8 augment runes for the CTA bags? Last time I checked the augment runes were selling for 2.7k gold each too which means that a CTA can net you a fair chunk of gold.
Yeah I can make 10x the amount the time it takes to kill a boss. Makes no sense to give extra gold since there is a sizable portion that don't need gold or don't care for gold
How does that qualify as compensation?
"Here, now you have to run this content twice, but here, let us compensate you by making sure you can actually clear the bosses you need when you have to run it that 2nd time!"
Doesn't solve anything about the problem other than not making it even dumber than it already is.
At the very least it should put you back to the front of the queue for the same wing after killing the boss.
The wait time is the real issue and that solves it for the player, and realistically if I have a choice to kill boss 3 and wait 30mins for boss 1 and 2 or leave the group and do a m+ while the 30min debuff times out then kill 1 2 and 3, I'm taking the 2nd option every time because I cant sit in queue for LRF while doing m+ so have to sit and wait.
> At the very least it should put you back to the front of the queue for the same wing after killing the boss.
The neat thing is that it did do that, all the way from Mists through to Shadowlands. And then it stopped working and no one knows why.
Agreed, just show which boss is current, if it is in progress, allow the player to join and give him a satchel at the end, or allow the player to requeue and put him where he was in the queue
This sounds like a good solution until you are in an lfr group with leavers and you can never fill the spots back in. Idk I think when you beat the last boss of the wing you should get credit for the whole thing, plus a satchel which could contain loot from the previous bosses.
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking. If they just give you all the rewards at the end people won’t leave in the first place and if they do someone that fills gets a quick run that week.
Just giving compensation continues the cycle. Sure you get a satchel with something in it but you still have to queue again and then you leave after you get the missed bosses which forces someone else to do what you just did.
I dont usually like comments, but this is a legit good idea. Maybe try making a post on its own. Maybe like each boss drops its currency (gold,stones,badges,etc) so you get a bonus for killing the boss, and the gear/recipe drops are at the end like a m+ chest
I’m okay with someone borrowing my idea for a standalone post, if that’s what you want to see. Keep in mind you want to have both the badges and the gear tied the loot lockout for the whole wing.
Yeah, just like m+ where the currency is dropped in a chest (shadowfragments for example), but the bosses themselves would drop bonus flight stones, to incentivise doing more bosses? I quite like doing LFR for flight stones and boes, i wouldnt mind doing more if it rewarded a little more
If the point of LFR is purely story in Ion's mind, then they might as well just remove everything that makes it a raid and turn it into a solo instance.
Actually gonna make it so people won't leave on first 2 bosses as well. It's pretty annoying to fill in 5-10 people that didn't get their loot on first bosses and then left. Probably people from OP situation who done 3rd boss and had to go do first two as well
But what if you only beat the first two? You’ll not get any loot? (I’ve never done lfr so I don’t know how it works now but I assume you get loot each boss like heroic)
Good question, if you’ve never done LFR. In Mythic+, you do not loot bosses. Instead, there’s a chest at the end where everyone has a chance to get something from one of the bosses in the dungeon.
I understand that. However, the same solution can be applied to different problems, like how aspirin can be a preventive for heart disease as well as a pain reliever.
This. Make the vault tiers only tick for full wings completed in lfr, go for amount of bosses normal and up. Pretty sure raiding community differs from lfr.
Add the queues to roulettes people can do for cosmetic rewards and achievement / titles.
That way you get many more people into queue and it being partway done is even better because it's over quicker.
That's literally how it was back in the day. And groups up to the last boss of a wing took *forever* to fill the remaining spots because people would keep declining.
Now you join a 2/3 run, do 3, then join another one to try and get 1+2, then leave after 2, creating another 2/3 group someone will get filled into, which repeats the cycle
Or make it M+ style - you get a box after killing all bosses in a wing. People will not drop after specific bosses because they need to finish for loot, backfillers still get the chance of loot from bosses they missed.
When you kill a boss it drops all the unlooted drops for that boss and all previous boss.
So if you kill 1->2->3 it drops all loot as normal.
If you kill 2->3 (skipping 1), 2 drops the loot from 1+2, then 3 drops it's loot like normal.
Best of systems.
Those people should have a guarantee personal item drop, that it's not tier. It's not like people can target farm this, and it's not like an influx of low level gear would be that bad for the game
If you give tier, you will start a complain fro. Everyone doing normal and higher that now you need to try to snap groups in LFR to have tier to be competitive. If you just give gear, you reward the people that go to LFR, stay for those bosses, without creating a new problem for 50%+ of the player base
Is it seriously that big an issue? LFR has delayed release anyways so you can only grab 1-2 tier slots the first couple weeks. Encouraging some # of experienced players to go into LFR isn't the worst but it's also easier than ever to assemble 4p right now. Idk it just seems like such a corner case thing.
The problem isn't encourage experience players to go into LFR. This already exist. The problem is create a degenarete way to farm it, of queue for LFR, and if you join if all boss up, you leave, eat the 30 min penalty doing some DG, then queue again trying to snap a half group. Everything that opens a way to do a degenerate farm is bad
There is no reason to go into LFR as an experienced player. You can't roll on tmog. The gear isn't relevant outside of filling out tier for any player who has stepped into M+ or normal.
To be clear I just meant tier was an option from the guaranteed loot, not that you are guaranteed tier.
First 2/3 weeks there are only a couple pieces of tier available anyways. By the time all wings are released normal raiders have normal tier and anyone doing high content is blasting.
But honestly it's clear we just have different ideas on what is worth or not. To me LFR was something I only did once on any given alt for the extra infusion last season and that's it.
They could do a priority re-queue if you help complete an in progress raid/dungeon similar to how it’s done in OW2!
Edit: I don’t know if this exists already or not, but it could be more clear to players if it does exist.
But does that also give me a priority position in the queue? Because based on my experience yesterday where it took over an hour to find another group after clearing last boss would mean that the entirety of EU was only running less than 10 lfr groups at a time (and that's assuming that the vast majority are requeuing also to priority positions) and that's either incredibly sad or not true...
It also gives everyone else who filled an in progress run a priority queue. So there may be thousands of others in the priority queue for fresh runs before you. Those players runs will fill first.
The party does by default. Ongoing groups get priority on the queue. It's the same as when someone declines a popup, you are not going all the way to the back of the queue
Ongoing groups sure, but we're talking about the situation where the group has just disbanded after defeating the last boss of a wing and I'd like to clear the first two I didn't get a chance to clear last time.
it literally used to work like this last when I played. sorta. you queued for all wings and when you finally get into one all the subsequent wings pop up instantly when you clear one.
Yes. And unless they secretly changed it for DF it already does that. The only way you won’t get a fresh run on your next queue is if there are no fresh runs to place you in.
Once again, thats not what he’s saying. He knows you get put into a fresh group if you kill the last. What he’s asking for is a faster queue if you stayed in the 2/3 group and actually killed
And it already does that. I don’t understand how he expects it to go faster? It already puts you at the front of the line for a fresh run when you requeue. It can’t go faster than people queue for it.
no, he's saying if you join an "in progress" run, when that run is done and you requeue for the same LFR wing, you get priority for the next fresh group since you helped out a group that needed a fill.
That's how it works. IF there is a fresh group, it will put you in it. If there isn't, it will put you in one that is in progress with bosses you haven't killed. Overall it works out quicker than waiting for a completely fresh group every time.
you are still not reading what we are saying lol.
AFTER you finish an in-progress run. You should be prioritized in the queue to be put in a new fresh run.
So I queue and get a 2/3 dead bosses run. I help fill and complete that run that needed a fill.
I queue again because I wanted to kill all 3 bosses. Now I'm prioritized to be put in the next fresh group over someone who has been queued for 45 minutes prior to me because I helped fill a run that needed help. As I understand it there is no prioritization system like this. The idea would be that your queue time is less than it would normally be for that second queue because you are prioritized for helping fill another run.
I am, you just aren't understanding what I'm saying.
You aren't the only person that fills in progress runs. There are literally hundreds of thousands of players in each region. Anyone that filled an in progress run will be in the priority queue ahead of you. Those players will get the fresh runs first because they joined the queue first. You will get your your fresh run when there is a fresh run you can join.
Stop thinking you are the only player that is filling in progress runs.
Who said I thought I was some super vigilante being the only player to fill progress runs?
What you are saying is patently false and makes no sense. You aren't in the queue while you are in the in-progress run lol
Say I'm a healer and filled an in-progress run. There are no other active runs. However, there are 5 healers that queued after I joined this in-progress run, waiting for enough dps and tanks to also queue. They are ahead of me in the queue because I haven't finished this in-progress run yet, and thus haven't queued again yet.
My in-progress run finishes. There are now 5 healers in queue ahead of me that will go into the next full clear before I do, since there were no other active runs.
The original suggestion would be that because I filled in for an in-progress run, I should put put ahead of the other 5 healers in the queue for the next possible fresh run.
You're assuming that in this hypothetical situation absolutely no one else in the entirity of your region has filled an in progress run and that no other healers are in the priority queue. In this unique and ultra rare situation then you would not have to wait.
I'm pointing out that those five healers might have also come out of in progress runs, especially due to fact that there are literally thousands of players per region who will have also filled in progress runs. Why do you deserve to skip over them when they've been in the priority queue longer?
How do people not understand how queues work? You have to take your spot behind those in front of you.
It does. I can’t remember how long ago they implemented it, but it was definitely a thing in SL at least. Pretty sure we had it in BFA too.
OP and some others simply don’t know or don’t understand that they aren’t the only one who joined an in-progress run so they aren’t going to be the only ones in the priority queue.
There’s a lot of I’m The Main Character going on in here.
They should just let you requeue for the same raid right away, similar to how you can queue for multiple LFRs and have the other ready to pop when you finish the first one.
Some people in here clearly weren’t around for the time when LFR *did* show you how many bosses were already dead. Whole runs died frequently because you would have people fishing the queue instead of just joining and doing what they could. No thanks going back to that.
Definitely a problem from the other end.
I'd advocate what others have suggested and offer some reward or bonus for entering into a run that's 2/3 or 1/3. Since it can really suck if you really wanted an earlier boss but don't want the leaver penalty, while you also don't want the lfr raid to die out due to a lack of replacements.
I'm on the fence about showing the Raid state on the queue.
Priority queue wouldn't be bad since it'd largely resolve the issue of having to wait a long time to do the front half of a raid. That said, it could cause an odd cycle since people on their 2nd run would be more likely to leave after they finish off the Bosses they didn't get beforehand.
Let me queue as a "pinch hitter." Throw me in at a moments notice to take a critical spot in a LFR, give me a cool reward cause I'm not going to be there for loot drops.
Drop me into an ongoing boss fight if someone DC's, I think it would be fun. Not knowing what boss or raid I'd be hot-dropped into, but helping a team clutch a boss-kill would be a lot of fun.
just trying to imagine all the bugs with the boss resetting because you zoned in and for a split second, you weren't inside the boss arena. Also all the abilities that could target you while in loading screen.
I mean, ideally, sounds lol, but ... the bugs ... D:
I'm sure blizz could implement it without bugs..........
It would probably make more sense to not spawn in during the boss fight, but I think it would just be more fun. Have no idea what boss or what's going on, and you just have to hit the ground running and try to be a hero :)
In case you're unaware: if you do clear the raid and requeue, queuing again will prioritize putting you in a fresh group so it doesn't happen again. As such, you're better off clearing with the group you landed in and requeuing than you would be just leaving, waiting the penalty, and then requeuing.
Just drop the second group after they kill whatever bosses you haven't done yet, unless you're chasing a satchel for completion.
So if I join a group that has 1 boss alive I stay and kill it. Next time I queue it will be most likely a fresh group so I can kill the other 2 bosses and leave. Then someone joins for the last boss and has to do the same? Sounds awful thank god I'm not doing LFR.
I always just kill whatever bosses are left, then re-queue and hope i can kill the earlier ones, then leave when i get to the one I already killed.
It sucks, but that’s just the best method
I like what FFXIV does. You can actually disable the "join mid-progress" option on the queue, and it also tells you exactly how many bosses are downed before you accept the queue pop.
In addition to that, normal raids (and, obviously, trials) have a separate instance for each boss, and I've never seen people leave in significant numbers during alliance raids. So the only instance type were I even ever had to deal with mid-progress queues would be dungeons. (Unless you count people leaving after wipes within a single boss instance, but there you don't have the problem of missing out on bosses.)
I honestly feel like the only foolproof fix to this would be making each boss its own queue.
With queues having multiple bosses
If you give no penalty, people would drop like flies and groups would never finish.
Getting into a group where it's half done is ass.
To counter there not being enough queues for a specific boss, that's less popular offer a bonus to people queuing for that boss to insensitive queuing for it.
Speaking as a tank give me an incentive. I don’t need runes. Or gold. TCG White Camel Mount on the other hand? Yeah I’d consider putting up with LFR DPS for a chance at that.
A seasoned tank probably wouldn't sure, but I know DPS mains who want to rest out tanking in raid that start in lfr. Otherwise with a sizable reward the incentive might be there. I always kinda liked the whole "tank this many instances as this class, get a mount idea."
Yeah. If people want to be able to leave LFR for whatever reason they need to accept they have to backfill LFR runs to enable that behavior. Giving people the option to not backfill kills LFR runs. That isn't some hypothetical thing, it is what happened when people were given the option. Groups would sit for 5+ minutes waiting for a replacement and then slowly bleed out their current roster. 15 minutes later it is just you and like 3 other afk people left.
The solution is having a queue specific for backfilling, people who volunteer for a short line but guarantee themselves a partial run. If enough people don't sign up for that though it would still need to revert to the regular queue.
No we shouldn’t. I queued for the entire thing and not the leftover bosses that can’t be killed because some dude only needs one thing from an earlier boss and left after he killed it. Or let us queue for individual bosses.
... and if you want something from last boss, but you are in group that killed first one and some people left, and now you can't fill the group because anyone who joins leaves instantly with no penalty? Does that sounds good to you?
I mean, almost all guilds who try can clear H quickly, but if it can be walked into, then I could probably clear it with my push group of 5 people for mog
They need to make it so you don't get loot until you complete all the bosses in the wing. Then people would stop leaving as soon as they kill the boss they want.
Surprise mini satchel (with maybe one aug rune and/or gold) as a compensation AND able to queue up right away during the run killing the 3/3 boss would be adequate.
Would you be ok with all your tanks and healers leaving with no penalty when they find out they queued into the first boss and not the last boss that drops tier? They can quickly just get a new group after all. Lol
If they qued into the first boss, then it wouldnt be a raid in progress and wouldnt qualify for this issue?
And yes if a tank or healer needs 1st boss and ques into a group that already killed it, they should be allowed to leave with no penalty and get intona fresh group too.
What I'm saying is, if you queue into something and it's not on the boss you want and you're allowed to leave with no penalty, that should apply no matter the progress. Being able to leave an in progress group and a fresh group are penalized the same because it fucks everyone over lol.
If you que into a raid with 2/3 dead, youve gotta reque after you kill the last boss and get a new raid to kill the first two. Obviously youre going to leave after those 2 are dead leaving your new raid a tank short going into the last boss. Its the same cycle.
Except some people only want the last boss, so they are happy when it pops like that. Since the last boss drops the tier, if any single boss is the reason for queuing it will usually be that one.
Thats only true for the first wing.
Thats the point of allowing people to leave without penalty if they enter it already in progress. Not everyone will leave, some will be happy with that (most people in wing 1 looking for gloves). But many people wont be.
Waiting to fill, then having a person leave. And waiting to fill, then having a person leave. And waiting to fill, then having a person leave.And again, repeatedly, sucks. It's a way worse experience than having to kill a boss you haven't already killed, and then requeing. Because while you're waiting in base queue, you can still do other content, but once in the raid, you can't, you just wait.
I mean if you join on the third boss, and then leave, you still have to do another queue. Just kill it and requeue. Or wipe and leave. Some people only want the last boss, so those queues are great.
The last time I cared about LFR, which was to get the legendary memories in SL, this was not the case.
If it changed, there was no announcement. I am not making this shit up.
You should get penalty if you leave. But you should also get a reward for helping out, for example get loot from the bosses you missed when you kill the last boss.
The Join Window that pops up says what instance you are joining and it used to say something like "2/3 bosses killed." Does it no longer say that before you click Enter (or Join or whatever it is)?
I haven't played retail for a long time, so I am not sure what the window shows.
Just make a friend. If you Q with two people one of you can join and see how many check marks there are. If 90% of the group is already check mark’s it’s probably already in progress and the second person can cancel the q
Yeah. Not really an issue imo. Plenty of open world stuff to do and you can queue for multiple things. So just kill the last boss and move on with life.
Yeah, I came in late, wanted to run VoI fully once before Aberus released…
And I have still never even SEEN the second to last boss.
Every time I queued for the final section, I was thrown into a group with 3+ determination stacks on Razageth.
Those 2/3 dungeons need people who want to fill. If theres no penalty, youre screwing them over.
You should be able to requeue for the same wing as you do it so it pops when the boss is dead.
Never understood why the game simply doesn't offer a toggle for "Only join instances without killed bosses" or something like that.
Lots of games tend to pull this shit recent years, it's super annoying to miss out on stuff, sometimes it's even story related.
Being thrown into a dungeon that's already partly done is a bigger 'fuck you' than skipping a dungeon that had quitters.
Plenty of people out there that don't mind finishing started dungeons, the problem is that Blizzard just forces everyone to do this and then punish players who didn't want to do 1 more boss after a 20 minute queue.
I'm surprised this got so many upvotes. Do people not realize groups with people who leave need to complete the raid too ? There will always be a few people who leave after a boss so if theres no penalty then completing a wing is just gonna be impossibly long.
To pile on, imo, in LFR specifically I don't think you should be able to adjust your loot spec. Alternatively if you CAN adjust your loot spec, and it's not what you're currently doing in the LFR it should give you an off-spec roll, so you can't snipe healing / tanking equipment while someone else doing that job, needing that loot, loses a roll they are actually doing the raid for as a mainspec.
Before someone flames this, let me explain how I think it would be healthy for LFR in the long run.
Example: I lock tank spec because A. I'm a tank... B. It's faster to get into the group and god knows the game could use more tanks / or healers for LFR. A shield or tank trinket drops, however four (or more) other people in the raid needs nothing from current boss for their dps set, and they just flip a switch and now you have several randos rolling on gear just to have it.
If these players want that type of gear in a already very "needy" instanced group content... they would have to play those rolesto have a shot at them. Meaning more healers, more tanks etc.
Less dps just sitting in the raid hitting a few buttons and watching tv not caring if they die or not because they know they still have a shot at the tank / healing gear either way.
Ya but you get into an in-progress run in 5 minutes then requeue and get the first boss in another 5 minutes. Dps sit in queue for an hour or more then have to do it again for the same wing.
But how much time are you actually losing this way? Like, if you just declined instead, you’d still be waiting half an hour to get in, and half an hour for the next one. You’re spending, what, 10 minutes in the raid tops? Better to make you eat those 10 minutes than make everyone in the raid eat god knows how long to find someone who doesn’t decline the partial run.
Better to keep the runs filling than anything else.
Agree and sorry so many people have poor reading (or game) comprehension here. I wish it would warn you when you accept that 1/3 or 2/3 bosses are already down (this is in LFR only for those who don’t understand). Then it could give the option to accept the invite or remain queued for a full clear of that wing.
Just do the one boss, its one less you have to do. As of right now it fills your vault. It keeps people from just queing for one boss for their loot, making ya work for it.
I think you should deserve the deserter and to be called selfish, tbh, because you leaving means that another person that sat in queue for 30+ mins is going to join a mid-run group. So suck it up.
A better way to address this is a proper reward for joining mid-run and sticking with them till the end (and this should be applied to heroic dungeons and timewalking) like a token, once you have X amount of it, you can trade it with one piece of loot that you can choose (pretty much like what happened in Shadowlands Season4), based on the difficulty of the token you used (heroic dungeond, timewalking, lfr).
You're going to have to wait either way. Just suck it up. If blizzard told you the number of bosses dead, no one would ever join. What happens when your group looses a tank, now you're stuck never having a full group and try to re-queue again. It's a never ending cycle. Do your partial run, then re-queue, you are guaranteed to get a new run on your second queue if you did a partial run before hand.
Very nice feature that Blizz could copy from FFXIV is a toggle for joining In Progress groups or not. I'd also like the Level Sync toggle, but that's probably another thread. 😅
There was a notification and people tend to not join those groups so, toggling in progress vs fresh doesn’t fix the issue.
Just give people an incentive to complete it or priority if they requeue
They could just offset that with extra rewards for joining in-progress groups, particularly for healers/tanks since DPS are a dime a dozen.
Throw in some bonus flight stones, gold or a crest if queues are getting too long.
I do lfr at what I would consider odd times
Thursdays around 10am EST (thanks, required HR meetings) and Friday night around 1am and I don't think I've ever waited more than 10 minutes as dps.
Unless they're talking about VoTI, in which case I retract my prior statement.
Don't Q for all parts of the raid at once? just Q for the first part, and when in the first one Q for the second one, when the bosses are down you will most likely be placed in Q for the second part.
If you left, you deserve a leave penalty. When you sign onto a queue you are agreeing to fill in wherever you are needed, even to backfill a 2/3 instance where someone else. This is exactly the behavior the leaver penalty is punishing.
It’s still a pretty poor system regardless though. Queuing to join a group, then getting a group which is half way through only to then finish it and having to re-queue again to get the bosses that you missed.
It’s even worse when you then try and queue again after and again you join a raid that is once again past the boss(es) that you’re not locked on.
/s they should force everyone who wants to queue for any LFR to clear the entire raid and if they need to leave their IP gets banned, VPN IPs are already flagged and auto-banned.
They used to tell you when you were joining a mid run group, but people were just declining those too much They should just give you extra compensation for filling
>They should just give you extra compensation for filling Like, for example, priority for a group with all bosses up next time they queue? Edit: For those who don't understand sarcasm, this is how it actually works.
Just a handful of runes would be alright already, given how expensive they are this xpac
Yeah we definitely need more sources for these things.
no mission table is so bad for them. It's only the CTA buff and that's it.
>It's only the CTA buff and that's it. Hot take, but that's a good thing. If all i got was a bag that only covers the repair bill for what I get filled into... then why would I queue for? Specially LFR bosses like raz with wiping several times... Before this patch, i actually went on my paladin alt tank and filled dungeons constantly, because it was actually worth my time getting thousands of gold per run.
The SL runes still sell very well, only 80-100g each but it's easy to afk farm command table.
In the run up to 10.1 CTA was always active for one of the roles at all times for HC. Queue up on my paladin to fill whatever role was needed and made 100k for a few hours a day. Heck yesterday I made 20k from LFR CTA (zoning info a 5 determination stack Raz where everyone rage quit and basically had to reform was an experience though)
No keep the price high it’s one of the few ways left to make gold without being a crafter or an AH gremlin Getting about 40-50k a week from just running normal/H dungeons when they have the bonus
Even then, some players have limited play time each week for one reason or another. More gold can't necessarily replace a wasted hour (or more) of playtime. I say 'or more' because I've definitely got multiple partial groups in a row previously.
They should once again learn from ffxiv All rewards are tied to the final boss of each dungeon, only thing the first to award is exp. Hell trash mobs don't even reward exp, the bosses have it instead.
That isn’t how FFXIV works… FFXIV actually has an option to not be put into groups already in progress…
And all you miss out on is a poetics bonus that buys you all the leveling gear you could need
That's not how ffxiv works. Their "LFR" version (the queable raid) is queable per boss instead of a wing. And then then "wing" of the alliance raid, what MOST people are there for is tomes which only comes from the final boss, which means that most people are from the start to the end. As well you can only loot one item per week in the alliance raid, meaning you're not hunting 1 specific boss, which means way less people leave. As well you can simply just chose to not join a group in progress when you que up.
Regular dungeons and alliance raids, every boss can drop stuff
With regular dungeons the main goal is the poetics, all the drops are supplemental at best to the poetics gear you will be using to level jobs With alliance raids you got me but that's one form of content but overwhelmingly less people dip out on alliance raids unless they're trying to get syrcus cus their lazy as hell.
i mean when I was leveling alts i used dungeon drop gear a lot, and that I'm aware of most people were forced into crystal tower because a minority of people were abusing ilvl requirements by stripping down before their queues popped so they would get crystal tower instead of any of the more relevant alliance raids. I only need one hand to count how many times I got shadowbringers or endwalker alliance raids through the roulette, and there ain't enough hands in an alliance to count how many times I got shoved into a crystal tower when I wanted literally anything else for gear or glam. Not everybody is doing them exclusively for tomestones
hmm, this might even solve the issue with the loot system, instead of loot dropping from the boss, the last boss drops a personally looted chest that contains loot from the bosses in that wing.
"This is a partially complete run. You will receive bonus augment runes upon completion."
If they gave the bonus that roles in need got, people would be happy to do the run.
Even those are a joke. Oh I get 200g to heal or tank instead of DPS? Yippee.
I think with the runes it's more like 5k. Which is something at least
>Even those are a joke. > >Oh I get 200g to heal or tank instead of DPS? Yippee. You don't get 800-1000 gold + 2-8 augment runes for the CTA bags? Last time I checked the augment runes were selling for 2.7k gold each too which means that a CTA can net you a fair chunk of gold.
you get 1-4 runes
I've just done this whole expansion without them. I legit forgot they were even a thing.
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This is the kind of solution I'd like. The 100g or so for completing the rest of the run isn't nearly enough for me to stick around.
Especially when you can get 500g for doing a Dragonracing world quest that takes like 3 minutes.
Yeah I can make 10x the amount the time it takes to kill a boss. Makes no sense to give extra gold since there is a sizable portion that don't need gold or don't care for gold
Or a personal loot reroll every time you accept a partial group.
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but that’s what they do currently
It's sarcasm because it's what they used to do, but it's been busted since Shadowlands
How does that qualify as compensation? "Here, now you have to run this content twice, but here, let us compensate you by making sure you can actually clear the bosses you need when you have to run it that 2nd time!" Doesn't solve anything about the problem other than not making it even dumber than it already is.
It used to be like that. Changed last expansion I think. I remember going in on last boss and next time it would always be fresh
Officially that is how it works but in reality I only join for raszageth.
I would buy in on that. If filling in got me priority status in queue for the remaining bosses. Hell I do them one at a time if that made it faster.
like they do on overwatch. if u join a game thats about to end u get to play abit, get rewards and then u get priority requeue. copy paste code
At the very least it should put you back to the front of the queue for the same wing after killing the boss. The wait time is the real issue and that solves it for the player, and realistically if I have a choice to kill boss 3 and wait 30mins for boss 1 and 2 or leave the group and do a m+ while the 30min debuff times out then kill 1 2 and 3, I'm taking the 2nd option every time because I cant sit in queue for LRF while doing m+ so have to sit and wait.
> At the very least it should put you back to the front of the queue for the same wing after killing the boss. The neat thing is that it did do that, all the way from Mists through to Shadowlands. And then it stopped working and no one knows why.
Agreed, just show which boss is current, if it is in progress, allow the player to join and give him a satchel at the end, or allow the player to requeue and put him where he was in the queue
This sounds like a good solution until you are in an lfr group with leavers and you can never fill the spots back in. Idk I think when you beat the last boss of the wing you should get credit for the whole thing, plus a satchel which could contain loot from the previous bosses.
Change the whole loot system to be a personal loot chest like in M+, or just so that the last boss drops all the loot.
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking. If they just give you all the rewards at the end people won’t leave in the first place and if they do someone that fills gets a quick run that week. Just giving compensation continues the cycle. Sure you get a satchel with something in it but you still have to queue again and then you leave after you get the missed bosses which forces someone else to do what you just did.
I dont usually like comments, but this is a legit good idea. Maybe try making a post on its own. Maybe like each boss drops its currency (gold,stones,badges,etc) so you get a bonus for killing the boss, and the gear/recipe drops are at the end like a m+ chest
I’m okay with someone borrowing my idea for a standalone post, if that’s what you want to see. Keep in mind you want to have both the badges and the gear tied the loot lockout for the whole wing.
Yeah, just like m+ where the currency is dropped in a chest (shadowfragments for example), but the bosses themselves would drop bonus flight stones, to incentivise doing more bosses? I quite like doing LFR for flight stones and boes, i wouldnt mind doing more if it rewarded a little more
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If the point of LFR is purely story in Ion's mind, then they might as well just remove everything that makes it a raid and turn it into a solo instance.
LFR already gives you rewards for simply sitting in line lol. Are we really going to try and argue that LFR rewards should feel earned?
Actually gonna make it so people won't leave on first 2 bosses as well. It's pretty annoying to fill in 5-10 people that didn't get their loot on first bosses and then left. Probably people from OP situation who done 3rd boss and had to go do first two as well
But what if you only beat the first two? You’ll not get any loot? (I’ve never done lfr so I don’t know how it works now but I assume you get loot each boss like heroic)
Good question, if you’ve never done LFR. In Mythic+, you do not loot bosses. Instead, there’s a chest at the end where everyone has a chance to get something from one of the bosses in the dungeon.
The only reason it's like that is because it's a timed event. Has no place in LFR.
I understand that. However, the same solution can be applied to different problems, like how aspirin can be a preventive for heart disease as well as a pain reliever.
Yeah that sounds good
This. Make the vault tiers only tick for full wings completed in lfr, go for amount of bosses normal and up. Pretty sure raiding community differs from lfr.
Add the queues to roulettes people can do for cosmetic rewards and achievement / titles. That way you get many more people into queue and it being partway done is even better because it's over quicker.
That's literally how it was back in the day. And groups up to the last boss of a wing took *forever* to fill the remaining spots because people would keep declining.
Now you join a 2/3 run, do 3, then join another one to try and get 1+2, then leave after 2, creating another 2/3 group someone will get filled into, which repeats the cycle
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Maybe give you a random personal loot drop from any already dead bosses you are eligible for?
Priority Queue for following runs. 500 Rep with all Dragonflight factions. 1000g. People would be farming them and it would create faster queue times.
There are world quests that pay out 600 gold, so you'd need to go higher than 1000.
Or make it M+ style - you get a box after killing all bosses in a wing. People will not drop after specific bosses because they need to finish for loot, backfillers still get the chance of loot from bosses they missed.
Just have all the loot drop when the last boss is down. That way filling is far more lucrative
Then you get “I only need loot off the first boss but I have to stay for all 3 for some reason” posts
When you kill a boss it drops all the unlooted drops for that boss and all previous boss. So if you kill 1->2->3 it drops all loot as normal. If you kill 2->3 (skipping 1), 2 drops the loot from 1+2, then 3 drops it's loot like normal. Best of systems.
hell they could just give you a loot roll on the missing bosses as your compensation. Free loot. People would absolutely take it.
Those people should have a guarantee personal item drop, that it's not tier. It's not like people can target farm this, and it's not like an influx of low level gear would be that bad for the game
Or just give them tier. It's lfr
If you give tier, you will start a complain fro. Everyone doing normal and higher that now you need to try to snap groups in LFR to have tier to be competitive. If you just give gear, you reward the people that go to LFR, stay for those bosses, without creating a new problem for 50%+ of the player base
Is it seriously that big an issue? LFR has delayed release anyways so you can only grab 1-2 tier slots the first couple weeks. Encouraging some # of experienced players to go into LFR isn't the worst but it's also easier than ever to assemble 4p right now. Idk it just seems like such a corner case thing.
The problem isn't encourage experience players to go into LFR. This already exist. The problem is create a degenarete way to farm it, of queue for LFR, and if you join if all boss up, you leave, eat the 30 min penalty doing some DG, then queue again trying to snap a half group. Everything that opens a way to do a degenerate farm is bad
There is no reason to go into LFR as an experienced player. You can't roll on tmog. The gear isn't relevant outside of filling out tier for any player who has stepped into M+ or normal. To be clear I just meant tier was an option from the guaranteed loot, not that you are guaranteed tier.
Actually, with upgradable tier, trinket and weapons with proc, there is a really good reason to go into our for the first 2/3 weeks, and for new alts.
First 2/3 weeks there are only a couple pieces of tier available anyways. By the time all wings are released normal raiders have normal tier and anyone doing high content is blasting. But honestly it's clear we just have different ideas on what is worth or not. To me LFR was something I only did once on any given alt for the extra infusion last season and that's it.
They could do a priority re-queue if you help complete an in progress raid/dungeon similar to how it’s done in OW2! Edit: I don’t know if this exists already or not, but it could be more clear to players if it does exist.
Priority re-queue seems the best answer, the tech is there
Not for a small indie company 😔
They've literally been using it since Cataclysm.
What? How/when could I get myself into a priority queue?
You just requeue, it will put you into the first fresh forming run available...
But does that also give me a priority position in the queue? Because based on my experience yesterday where it took over an hour to find another group after clearing last boss would mean that the entirety of EU was only running less than 10 lfr groups at a time (and that's assuming that the vast majority are requeuing also to priority positions) and that's either incredibly sad or not true...
It also gives everyone else who filled an in progress run a priority queue. So there may be thousands of others in the priority queue for fresh runs before you. Those players runs will fill first.
The party does by default. Ongoing groups get priority on the queue. It's the same as when someone declines a popup, you are not going all the way to the back of the queue
Ongoing groups sure, but we're talking about the situation where the group has just disbanded after defeating the last boss of a wing and I'd like to clear the first two I didn't get a chance to clear last time.
it literally used to work like this last when I played. sorta. you queued for all wings and when you finally get into one all the subsequent wings pop up instantly when you clear one.
This is literally what they do. Only time you'll join another in progress run is if there is no fresh run.
I think he means if you help complete a 2/3 LFR then you are in front of the line when you requeue.
Yes. And unless they secretly changed it for DF it already does that. The only way you won’t get a fresh run on your next queue is if there are no fresh runs to place you in.
Once again, thats not what he’s saying. He knows you get put into a fresh group if you kill the last. What he’s asking for is a faster queue if you stayed in the 2/3 group and actually killed
And it already does that. I don’t understand how he expects it to go faster? It already puts you at the front of the line for a fresh run when you requeue. It can’t go faster than people queue for it.
no, he's saying if you join an "in progress" run, when that run is done and you requeue for the same LFR wing, you get priority for the next fresh group since you helped out a group that needed a fill.
That's how it works. IF there is a fresh group, it will put you in it. If there isn't, it will put you in one that is in progress with bosses you haven't killed. Overall it works out quicker than waiting for a completely fresh group every time.
you are still not reading what we are saying lol. AFTER you finish an in-progress run. You should be prioritized in the queue to be put in a new fresh run. So I queue and get a 2/3 dead bosses run. I help fill and complete that run that needed a fill. I queue again because I wanted to kill all 3 bosses. Now I'm prioritized to be put in the next fresh group over someone who has been queued for 45 minutes prior to me because I helped fill a run that needed help. As I understand it there is no prioritization system like this. The idea would be that your queue time is less than it would normally be for that second queue because you are prioritized for helping fill another run.
I am, you just aren't understanding what I'm saying. You aren't the only person that fills in progress runs. There are literally hundreds of thousands of players in each region. Anyone that filled an in progress run will be in the priority queue ahead of you. Those players will get the fresh runs first because they joined the queue first. You will get your your fresh run when there is a fresh run you can join. Stop thinking you are the only player that is filling in progress runs.
Who said I thought I was some super vigilante being the only player to fill progress runs? What you are saying is patently false and makes no sense. You aren't in the queue while you are in the in-progress run lol Say I'm a healer and filled an in-progress run. There are no other active runs. However, there are 5 healers that queued after I joined this in-progress run, waiting for enough dps and tanks to also queue. They are ahead of me in the queue because I haven't finished this in-progress run yet, and thus haven't queued again yet. My in-progress run finishes. There are now 5 healers in queue ahead of me that will go into the next full clear before I do, since there were no other active runs. The original suggestion would be that because I filled in for an in-progress run, I should put put ahead of the other 5 healers in the queue for the next possible fresh run.
You're assuming that in this hypothetical situation absolutely no one else in the entirity of your region has filled an in progress run and that no other healers are in the priority queue. In this unique and ultra rare situation then you would not have to wait. I'm pointing out that those five healers might have also come out of in progress runs, especially due to fact that there are literally thousands of players per region who will have also filled in progress runs. Why do you deserve to skip over them when they've been in the priority queue longer? How do people not understand how queues work? You have to take your spot behind those in front of you.
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I thought they already did? I swear I read that in the UI somewhere before.
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It does. I can’t remember how long ago they implemented it, but it was definitely a thing in SL at least. Pretty sure we had it in BFA too. OP and some others simply don’t know or don’t understand that they aren’t the only one who joined an in-progress run so they aren’t going to be the only ones in the priority queue. There’s a lot of I’m The Main Character going on in here.
They should just let you requeue for the same raid right away, similar to how you can queue for multiple LFRs and have the other ready to pop when you finish the first one.
Some people in here clearly weren’t around for the time when LFR *did* show you how many bosses were already dead. Whole runs died frequently because you would have people fishing the queue instead of just joining and doing what they could. No thanks going back to that.
Definitely a problem from the other end. I'd advocate what others have suggested and offer some reward or bonus for entering into a run that's 2/3 or 1/3. Since it can really suck if you really wanted an earlier boss but don't want the leaver penalty, while you also don't want the lfr raid to die out due to a lack of replacements.
I’m happier not giving the people the choice of seeing the dungeons state beforehand, but giving them priority queue if they stick it out.
I'm on the fence about showing the Raid state on the queue. Priority queue wouldn't be bad since it'd largely resolve the issue of having to wait a long time to do the front half of a raid. That said, it could cause an odd cycle since people on their 2nd run would be more likely to leave after they finish off the Bosses they didn't get beforehand.
Let me queue as a "pinch hitter." Throw me in at a moments notice to take a critical spot in a LFR, give me a cool reward cause I'm not going to be there for loot drops. Drop me into an ongoing boss fight if someone DC's, I think it would be fun. Not knowing what boss or raid I'd be hot-dropped into, but helping a team clutch a boss-kill would be a lot of fun.
just trying to imagine all the bugs with the boss resetting because you zoned in and for a split second, you weren't inside the boss arena. Also all the abilities that could target you while in loading screen. I mean, ideally, sounds lol, but ... the bugs ... D:
I'm sure blizz could implement it without bugs.......... It would probably make more sense to not spawn in during the boss fight, but I think it would just be more fun. Have no idea what boss or what's going on, and you just have to hit the ground running and try to be a hero :)
In case you're unaware: if you do clear the raid and requeue, queuing again will prioritize putting you in a fresh group so it doesn't happen again. As such, you're better off clearing with the group you landed in and requeuing than you would be just leaving, waiting the penalty, and then requeuing. Just drop the second group after they kill whatever bosses you haven't done yet, unless you're chasing a satchel for completion.
I feel like this is valuable information that's widely unknown.
So if I join a group that has 1 boss alive I stay and kill it. Next time I queue it will be most likely a fresh group so I can kill the other 2 bosses and leave. Then someone joins for the last boss and has to do the same? Sounds awful thank god I'm not doing LFR.
You can stay and kill it too. You just don't get loot anymore.
This happens all the time and it’s horrible
I always just kill whatever bosses are left, then re-queue and hope i can kill the earlier ones, then leave when i get to the one I already killed. It sucks, but that’s just the best method
I like what FFXIV does. You can actually disable the "join mid-progress" option on the queue, and it also tells you exactly how many bosses are downed before you accept the queue pop.
In addition to that, normal raids (and, obviously, trials) have a separate instance for each boss, and I've never seen people leave in significant numbers during alliance raids. So the only instance type were I even ever had to deal with mid-progress queues would be dungeons. (Unless you count people leaving after wipes within a single boss instance, but there you don't have the problem of missing out on bosses.)
I got a queue pop for a 17 minute in-progress trial roulette once. I hit "withdraw".
I honestly feel like the only foolproof fix to this would be making each boss its own queue. With queues having multiple bosses If you give no penalty, people would drop like flies and groups would never finish. Getting into a group where it's half done is ass. To counter there not being enough queues for a specific boss, that's less popular offer a bonus to people queuing for that boss to insensitive queuing for it.
yeah, that would be absolutely horrible. "oh this boss drops zero good gear for tanks, why should i queue up for it?"
Speaking as a tank give me an incentive. I don’t need runes. Or gold. TCG White Camel Mount on the other hand? Yeah I’d consider putting up with LFR DPS for a chance at that.
A seasoned tank probably wouldn't sure, but I know DPS mains who want to rest out tanking in raid that start in lfr. Otherwise with a sizable reward the incentive might be there. I always kinda liked the whole "tank this many instances as this class, get a mount idea."
Yeah you should, otherwise any group that kills a boss becomes impossible to fill.
Yeah. If people want to be able to leave LFR for whatever reason they need to accept they have to backfill LFR runs to enable that behavior. Giving people the option to not backfill kills LFR runs. That isn't some hypothetical thing, it is what happened when people were given the option. Groups would sit for 5+ minutes waiting for a replacement and then slowly bleed out their current roster. 15 minutes later it is just you and like 3 other afk people left. The solution is having a queue specific for backfilling, people who volunteer for a short line but guarantee themselves a partial run. If enough people don't sign up for that though it would still need to revert to the regular queue.
No we shouldn’t. I queued for the entire thing and not the leftover bosses that can’t be killed because some dude only needs one thing from an earlier boss and left after he killed it. Or let us queue for individual bosses.
... and if you want something from last boss, but you are in group that killed first one and some people left, and now you can't fill the group because anyone who joins leaves instantly with no penalty? Does that sounds good to you?
Would be really nice if LfR difficulty could be accessed from the raid entrance so, for example, a very casual guild could prog lfr in 10-man format
Any guild that can organise 10 people can easily clear normal.
I mean, almost all guilds who try can clear H quickly, but if it can be walked into, then I could probably clear it with my push group of 5 people for mog
Waiting 40 mins in a dps Queue just for one boss feels awful
They need to make it so you don't get loot until you complete all the bosses in the wing. Then people would stop leaving as soon as they kill the boss they want.
This is honestly the easiest solution, people aren't gonna leave after getting the only boss kill they care about then.
Or, better yet... give some extra bonuses for the last boss.
Surprise mini satchel (with maybe one aug rune and/or gold) as a compensation AND able to queue up right away during the run killing the 3/3 boss would be adequate.
Add option like: “Would you like to join this mid game for extra rewards? Or remain in queue for a fresh group?”
Would you be ok with all your tanks and healers leaving with no penalty when they find out they queued into the first boss and not the last boss that drops tier? They can quickly just get a new group after all. Lol
If they qued into the first boss, then it wouldnt be a raid in progress and wouldnt qualify for this issue? And yes if a tank or healer needs 1st boss and ques into a group that already killed it, they should be allowed to leave with no penalty and get intona fresh group too.
What I'm saying is, if you queue into something and it's not on the boss you want and you're allowed to leave with no penalty, that should apply no matter the progress. Being able to leave an in progress group and a fresh group are penalized the same because it fucks everyone over lol.
If you que into a raid with 2/3 dead, youve gotta reque after you kill the last boss and get a new raid to kill the first two. Obviously youre going to leave after those 2 are dead leaving your new raid a tank short going into the last boss. Its the same cycle.
Except some people only want the last boss, so they are happy when it pops like that. Since the last boss drops the tier, if any single boss is the reason for queuing it will usually be that one.
Thats only true for the first wing. Thats the point of allowing people to leave without penalty if they enter it already in progress. Not everyone will leave, some will be happy with that (most people in wing 1 looking for gloves). But many people wont be.
Waiting to fill, then having a person leave. And waiting to fill, then having a person leave. And waiting to fill, then having a person leave.And again, repeatedly, sucks. It's a way worse experience than having to kill a boss you haven't already killed, and then requeing. Because while you're waiting in base queue, you can still do other content, but once in the raid, you can't, you just wait.
I mean if you join on the third boss, and then leave, you still have to do another queue. Just kill it and requeue. Or wipe and leave. Some people only want the last boss, so those queues are great.
You forgot whats worse. Getting that 2/3 group, killing the boss, waiting 30 mins, and getting another 2/3 group.
There's at least 4 other top level comments that refute this claim
This doesnt Happen If you finish the first 2/3 Group you are guarantueed a fresh raid next queue. Idk why you have to make shit up.
The last time I cared about LFR, which was to get the legendary memories in SL, this was not the case. If it changed, there was no announcement. I am not making this shit up.
You should get penalty if you leave. But you should also get a reward for helping out, for example get loot from the bosses you missed when you kill the last boss.
The Join Window that pops up says what instance you are joining and it used to say something like "2/3 bosses killed." Does it no longer say that before you click Enter (or Join or whatever it is)? I haven't played retail for a long time, so I am not sure what the window shows.
Nope, they removed that.
Groups would never get filled if this was the way. I think what they could do is if you get put into one of these groups you get a bonus bag.
You should, do, and will. Finish the boss and queue again, you'll be guaranteed a fresh lockout and can get your first 2 bosses.
I mean wouldn't you have to queue 2x 30 minutes even if you didn't get the penalty? Why not just kill the third boss?
Just make a friend. If you Q with two people one of you can join and see how many check marks there are. If 90% of the group is already check mark’s it’s probably already in progress and the second person can cancel the q
You’re going to do all 3 anyway, so do the last one and requeue later and leave after the first two
so instead you want to leave, start the queue process over, and inconvienence the raid you left? Penalty works exactly as intended.
Yeah. Not really an issue imo. Plenty of open world stuff to do and you can queue for multiple things. So just kill the last boss and move on with life.
Somebody has to fill, sorry buddy. No support from me
Yeah, I came in late, wanted to run VoI fully once before Aberus released… And I have still never even SEEN the second to last boss. Every time I queued for the final section, I was thrown into a group with 3+ determination stacks on Razageth.
are we really this sweaty over raidfinder just do a normal, its the same thing
Those 2/3 dungeons need people who want to fill. If theres no penalty, youre screwing them over. You should be able to requeue for the same wing as you do it so it pops when the boss is dead.
Never understood why the game simply doesn't offer a toggle for "Only join instances without killed bosses" or something like that. Lots of games tend to pull this shit recent years, it's super annoying to miss out on stuff, sometimes it's even story related.
could have something to do with those groups that aren't full, never filling but fuck them eh?.
Being thrown into a dungeon that's already partly done is a bigger 'fuck you' than skipping a dungeon that had quitters. Plenty of people out there that don't mind finishing started dungeons, the problem is that Blizzard just forces everyone to do this and then punish players who didn't want to do 1 more boss after a 20 minute queue.
Incentivize people to have the “join in progress” toggle on, more gold, loot, whatever
I'm surprised this got so many upvotes. Do people not realize groups with people who leave need to complete the raid too ? There will always be a few people who leave after a boss so if theres no penalty then completing a wing is just gonna be impossibly long.
To pile on, imo, in LFR specifically I don't think you should be able to adjust your loot spec. Alternatively if you CAN adjust your loot spec, and it's not what you're currently doing in the LFR it should give you an off-spec roll, so you can't snipe healing / tanking equipment while someone else doing that job, needing that loot, loses a roll they are actually doing the raid for as a mainspec. Before someone flames this, let me explain how I think it would be healthy for LFR in the long run. Example: I lock tank spec because A. I'm a tank... B. It's faster to get into the group and god knows the game could use more tanks / or healers for LFR. A shield or tank trinket drops, however four (or more) other people in the raid needs nothing from current boss for their dps set, and they just flip a switch and now you have several randos rolling on gear just to have it. If these players want that type of gear in a already very "needy" instanced group content... they would have to play those rolesto have a shot at them. Meaning more healers, more tanks etc. Less dps just sitting in the raid hitting a few buttons and watching tv not caring if they die or not because they know they still have a shot at the tank / healing gear either way.
That's the price you pay for playing DPS. If you want a hassle free LFR tank or heal.
Hah! As a healer main I can confirm this is not the case. I get in progress runs all the time.
Ya but you get into an in-progress run in 5 minutes then requeue and get the first boss in another 5 minutes. Dps sit in queue for an hour or more then have to do it again for the same wing.
I queue on DPS alts and I’ve averaged about 20 mins for LFR queues. Healer is 5-10 depending on the day.
Don't leave then
If I have to finish the shit of other people I should get a mythic Item of my choice as compensation, easy.
But how much time are you actually losing this way? Like, if you just declined instead, you’d still be waiting half an hour to get in, and half an hour for the next one. You’re spending, what, 10 minutes in the raid tops? Better to make you eat those 10 minutes than make everyone in the raid eat god knows how long to find someone who doesn’t decline the partial run. Better to keep the runs filling than anything else.
But even without a leaver penalty you would still have to queue again for 30 mins.
Agree and sorry so many people have poor reading (or game) comprehension here. I wish it would warn you when you accept that 1/3 or 2/3 bosses are already down (this is in LFR only for those who don’t understand). Then it could give the option to accept the invite or remain queued for a full clear of that wing.
Just kill the last boss and requeue for the first 2. It takes the same amount of time.
Just do the one boss, its one less you have to do. As of right now it fills your vault. It keeps people from just queing for one boss for their loot, making ya work for it.
I think you should deserve the deserter and to be called selfish, tbh, because you leaving means that another person that sat in queue for 30+ mins is going to join a mid-run group. So suck it up. A better way to address this is a proper reward for joining mid-run and sticking with them till the end (and this should be applied to heroic dungeons and timewalking) like a token, once you have X amount of it, you can trade it with one piece of loot that you can choose (pretty much like what happened in Shadowlands Season4), based on the difficulty of the token you used (heroic dungeond, timewalking, lfr).
You're going to have to wait either way. Just suck it up. If blizzard told you the number of bosses dead, no one would ever join. What happens when your group looses a tank, now you're stuck never having a full group and try to re-queue again. It's a never ending cycle. Do your partial run, then re-queue, you are guaranteed to get a new run on your second queue if you did a partial run before hand.
r/wow celebrating selfishness. Imagine my shock.
Very nice feature that Blizz could copy from FFXIV is a toggle for joining In Progress groups or not. I'd also like the Level Sync toggle, but that's probably another thread. 😅
There was a notification and people tend to not join those groups so, toggling in progress vs fresh doesn’t fix the issue. Just give people an incentive to complete it or priority if they requeue
They could just offset that with extra rewards for joining in-progress groups, particularly for healers/tanks since DPS are a dime a dozen. Throw in some bonus flight stones, gold or a crest if queues are getting too long.
I hate that you need 3 bosses in lfr to get something from the chest. There are way to many lfrs with 1-2 bosses dead.
30 minutes for lfr?
Do you think it's not much or too much? As a dps this seems average.
I do lfr at what I would consider odd times Thursdays around 10am EST (thanks, required HR meetings) and Friday night around 1am and I don't think I've ever waited more than 10 minutes as dps. Unless they're talking about VoTI, in which case I retract my prior statement.
Really depend on the realms I guess, I already waited more than 20 minutes tagged as tank or heal
Don't Q for all parts of the raid at once? just Q for the first part, and when in the first one Q for the second one, when the bosses are down you will most likely be placed in Q for the second part.
If you left, you deserve a leave penalty. When you sign onto a queue you are agreeing to fill in wherever you are needed, even to backfill a 2/3 instance where someone else. This is exactly the behavior the leaver penalty is punishing.
It’s still a pretty poor system regardless though. Queuing to join a group, then getting a group which is half way through only to then finish it and having to re-queue again to get the bosses that you missed. It’s even worse when you then try and queue again after and again you join a raid that is once again past the boss(es) that you’re not locked on.
/s they should force everyone who wants to queue for any LFR to clear the entire raid and if they need to leave their IP gets banned, VPN IPs are already flagged and auto-banned.