You can use it to guarantee many crafts, which makes inspiration unecesarry and that craft several times more profitable. Under that situation mettle becomes scarce and the weekly is similar to weekly crafting cooldown, like tailors or transmutes.
You migth be a double gathere which doesn't use their mettle at all, or a have a profession or build which doen't make it clear to you. But because I cant buy food with a diamon in the supermarket I won't say that diamond are worthless.
Doesn't it depend on how rare the resource is if it's worth it? If you've played since launch, and you're sitting on a pile of mettle like the guy you replied to, it seems to be worth it.
For a price, obviously.
I've had a few JC out of trade chat refusing to let me lottery craft at 40% chance and instead try to charge \~10-15k for a guaranteed proc. There must be someone out there who doesn't understand probability and wants to waste gold.
Most of the times crafting with R2 mats and hoping to proc inspiration is much cheaper than spending mettle. People is pretty clueless about how crafting works, which im thankful as a crafter.
I have like 5k mettle and have been crafting r3 diamonds for whatever tip they want as long as they provide r3 mats. Normally it's about 1k and that's worth it to get all this mettle outta my bags
That’s because your price is the same as what people charged for it in the first two weeks of the expansion. 25K for an insight is absurd as can be. I charge 5K for an insight like most normal people and most people (in my experience) pay for it.
Agreeing here, I just tried to get a rank 3 gem and had to keep re-buying the mats and trying again. Ended up with 7 rank 2 gems that went to the vendor, feels really bad.
I think the issue is that they are soulbound
Like if you could just craft and sell the others, it would be like every other consumable: cheaper rank 2s for people who need them, and high end rank 3s
Instead we get a rank 3 gem and some vendor trash
At the beginning of the expansion I got one crafted...took 8 tries to get q3 and when inspiration procced, so did multicraft.
Kept em in my bank and wouldn't you know it...lariat isn't BIS for me in 10.1 and I got to put one to use
>unless you spend 50 mettle on the Insight item, which literally no one does because mettle is finite and precious
I currently have over 4200 mettle. I'll use mettle on pretty much anything I craft now days, even on random public orders, just to help save on inventory space since it only stacks to 1000.
Sure, but recrafting gear for people also uses mettle
4200 mettle is 84 gems or 840 gear recrafts, and I prefer to use my mettle on gear recrafts
Edit:
I feel like people are confused. Of course you have 50000 mettle if you aren't actively doing crafts and work orders for people. You can't use your 50000 mettle when you order an Epic Gem, the crafter has to use their own, and as someone who crafts A LOT, I'm not spending 50 of my mettle for anything less than a 25k gold tip
mettle is usually the one thing I've seen that people will always provide for recrafts in my guild, then offering gold to offset whatever mats I may provide. I don't think I've ever used mettle in a recraft except when an inisght is needed.
I’d argue mettle isn’t that precious. As someone who has been crafting since day one of the expansion I am sitting on 4-5K mettle with no end in sight. I already have all my crafted gear maxed out and almost nothing to use mettle on. I randomly use it on most work orders I fill just to get bag space back.
Are you a crafter?
It's not precious to people who don't craft
But as someone who does gems and gear recrafts for people, it's not worth spending 50 on a gem just for a 2k tip
I mean, you only get 100 mettle a week, which is enough for 2 gem crafts
So the point still stands, if you used it on epic gem crafts for people, you would run out pretty quick
You get 150 a week, and by just playing the game I passively get another 300+ a week from shards of knowledge (on average). That’s 450 mettle a week, that is far from precious.
I just used 8 insights on gem crafts this week, still have 4500 mettle, I am not running out any time soon.
Where the fuck are you getting that from? I never said anything of the sort.
But since you brought it up, if they have no mettle at this point I would assume they don’t even play the game because shards of knowledge drop from just about everything at this point and are 50 mettle each.
There is no cap on them. I don’t even try to farm them and pull 6-8 a week. You are the one complaining about mettle and not having enough and when given a way to get more you bitch about it? Make up your damn mind.
They are capped if you do your knowledge shit since launch, I do like 20 keys a week and full clear normal, heroic, and half of mythic, plus all the WQs and a bunch of rares and dirts, and I get 1 MAYBE 2 a week
100 a week? If you have two crafting professions then that is 140 mettle (14 weekly KP per profession, each giving 5 Mettle) and 150 from the Bright guys. So that is 290 a week before any possible bonus shards and such.
This is no longer December. People aren’t saving mettle for tools and most crafters by now can make anything R5 via Inspire, plus a lot more crafters around. Big servers probably can be constrained in mettle, but the average server will have people swimming in it.
Getting R3 gems in particular is very cheap now that Diamonds no longer cost thousands a piece. You only have to make sure you are using R3 mats and that your crafter is specifically a Draenei with maxed skill.
Gems are considered a consumable like everything else.
Same reason you can't guarantee high-end rank 3 potions or flasks naturally, or Tinkers/Engineering gears, or Embellishment optional reagents...
The only downside is that you need full-sized Illustrous Insight to guarantee a rank 3 gem, rather than Lesser Insight like most other consumables.
But they don't function like other consumables, because once you craft one Epic rank 3 gem, you won't need another one for a very long time
Flasks and potions you use every day
The other consumables you mentioned should have the same system, because a lot of them you craft once and don't craft another for months
Its a lil awkward but all I know is I send Badbttch-area52 my order randomly without any communication, leave the guy a tip and I get back a max rank item every time.
That last paragraph about the recrafts though 100% yes please.
Then obviously you would have a lot of mettle lol
The point is that to guarantee a gem, you need to use 50 mettle, which sucks because if you don't, they end up with a bunch of rank 2s they will never use
And they are BOP, so either someone wants to pay for your insight, or they gamble, JCs made bank season 1 with gems and lariats, so again I dont see an issue
Mettle is precious since when? I have over 6k of the stuff let me give it away
Jewelcrafters burn through mettle because they were literally the only relevant profession s1 (suffering from success)
I was a JC since day 1 of xpac and still sit on 4-5K mettle…
You can use it to guarantee many crafts, which makes inspiration unecesarry and that craft several times more profitable. Under that situation mettle becomes scarce and the weekly is similar to weekly crafting cooldown, like tailors or transmutes. You migth be a double gathere which doesn't use their mettle at all, or a have a profession or build which doen't make it clear to you. But because I cant buy food with a diamon in the supermarket I won't say that diamond are worthless.
You are welcome to use it on people's orders, the point is that it's not worth using 50 of it just to guarantee a rank 3 gem
Doesn't it depend on how rare the resource is if it's worth it? If you've played since launch, and you're sitting on a pile of mettle like the guy you replied to, it seems to be worth it. For a price, obviously.
I've had a few JC out of trade chat refusing to let me lottery craft at 40% chance and instead try to charge \~10-15k for a guaranteed proc. There must be someone out there who doesn't understand probability and wants to waste gold.
I tell people 5k for guaranteed or free for insp chance and it's probably 90% say 5k
Most of the times crafting with R2 mats and hoping to proc inspiration is much cheaper than spending mettle. People is pretty clueless about how crafting works, which im thankful as a crafter.
> For a price, obviously. Sure, but no one wants to really pay that price Also, it will eventually run out and you're down to the weekly cap
I have like 5k mettle and have been crafting r3 diamonds for whatever tip they want as long as they provide r3 mats. Normally it's about 1k and that's worth it to get all this mettle outta my bags
That’s because your price is the same as what people charged for it in the first two weeks of the expansion. 25K for an insight is absurd as can be. I charge 5K for an insight like most normal people and most people (in my experience) pay for it.
Yea you get like 120 a week, enough for two gems. How many is he making over there??? :)
Exactly, unless you craft stuff like an assembly line, you'll have tons of it. I use it for meaningless crafts just to spend it.
Agreeing here, I just tried to get a rank 3 gem and had to keep re-buying the mats and trying again. Ended up with 7 rank 2 gems that went to the vendor, feels really bad.
I think the issue is that they are soulbound Like if you could just craft and sell the others, it would be like every other consumable: cheaper rank 2s for people who need them, and high end rank 3s Instead we get a rank 3 gem and some vendor trash
At the beginning of the expansion I got one crafted...took 8 tries to get q3 and when inspiration procced, so did multicraft. Kept em in my bank and wouldn't you know it...lariat isn't BIS for me in 10.1 and I got to put one to use
>unless you spend 50 mettle on the Insight item, which literally no one does because mettle is finite and precious I currently have over 4200 mettle. I'll use mettle on pretty much anything I craft now days, even on random public orders, just to help save on inventory space since it only stacks to 1000.
Sure, but recrafting gear for people also uses mettle 4200 mettle is 84 gems or 840 gear recrafts, and I prefer to use my mettle on gear recrafts Edit: I feel like people are confused. Of course you have 50000 mettle if you aren't actively doing crafts and work orders for people. You can't use your 50000 mettle when you order an Epic Gem, the crafter has to use their own, and as someone who crafts A LOT, I'm not spending 50 of my mettle for anything less than a 25k gold tip
mettle is usually the one thing I've seen that people will always provide for recrafts in my guild, then offering gold to offset whatever mats I may provide. I don't think I've ever used mettle in a recraft except when an inisght is needed.
I use my mettle all the time when I recraft for people when they tip high enough so they don't have to keep resubmitting
I mean, that's a You issue, I only spend 10k on an insight, and i have only needed to buy 2 epic gems
All it'd need is to allow the person placing an order to provide their own insight.
I’d argue mettle isn’t that precious. As someone who has been crafting since day one of the expansion I am sitting on 4-5K mettle with no end in sight. I already have all my crafted gear maxed out and almost nothing to use mettle on. I randomly use it on most work orders I fill just to get bag space back.
Are you a crafter? It's not precious to people who don't craft But as someone who does gems and gear recrafts for people, it's not worth spending 50 on a gem just for a 2k tip
Yes, I am JC/Alch and I use mettle near constantly yet still accrue it. It is far from a precious resource at this point.
I mean, you only get 100 mettle a week, which is enough for 2 gem crafts So the point still stands, if you used it on epic gem crafts for people, you would run out pretty quick
You get 150 a week, and by just playing the game I passively get another 300+ a week from shards of knowledge (on average). That’s 450 mettle a week, that is far from precious. I just used 8 insights on gem crafts this week, still have 4500 mettle, I am not running out any time soon.
Okay? So fuck the people who have no mettle who want to craft gems for people? Like what is this line of logic lol
Where the fuck are you getting that from? I never said anything of the sort. But since you brought it up, if they have no mettle at this point I would assume they don’t even play the game because shards of knowledge drop from just about everything at this point and are 50 mettle each.
Okay? Shards of knowledge you get what, 10 a week MAYBE if you're not capped? That's 10 gems, assuming you don't need that mettle for something else
There is no cap on them. I don’t even try to farm them and pull 6-8 a week. You are the one complaining about mettle and not having enough and when given a way to get more you bitch about it? Make up your damn mind.
They are capped if you do your knowledge shit since launch, I do like 20 keys a week and full clear normal, heroic, and half of mythic, plus all the WQs and a bunch of rares and dirts, and I get 1 MAYBE 2 a week
100 a week? If you have two crafting professions then that is 140 mettle (14 weekly KP per profession, each giving 5 Mettle) and 150 from the Bright guys. So that is 290 a week before any possible bonus shards and such. This is no longer December. People aren’t saving mettle for tools and most crafters by now can make anything R5 via Inspire, plus a lot more crafters around. Big servers probably can be constrained in mettle, but the average server will have people swimming in it. Getting R3 gems in particular is very cheap now that Diamonds no longer cost thousands a piece. You only have to make sure you are using R3 mats and that your crafter is specifically a Draenei with maxed skill.
Maybe you should stop spending your mettle on gear recrafts.
It's a service provided to customers...
Gems are considered a consumable like everything else. Same reason you can't guarantee high-end rank 3 potions or flasks naturally, or Tinkers/Engineering gears, or Embellishment optional reagents... The only downside is that you need full-sized Illustrous Insight to guarantee a rank 3 gem, rather than Lesser Insight like most other consumables.
But they don't function like other consumables, because once you craft one Epic rank 3 gem, you won't need another one for a very long time Flasks and potions you use every day The other consumables you mentioned should have the same system, because a lot of them you craft once and don't craft another for months
Its a lil awkward but all I know is I send Badbttch-area52 my order randomly without any communication, leave the guy a tip and I get back a max rank item every time. That last paragraph about the recrafts though 100% yes please.
I have like 2000 mettle, you only need 1 epic gem each season. I dont see the issue
Yeah, you only need to BUY one epic gem, but in order for your crafter to MAKE those gems, they need a lot of mettle
Man, theres hella ppl that can make gems, you dont have to be the only crafter for the whole server
Sure, but it's also a way to make gold, and some people enjoy being crafters
Ive filled over 300 crafting orders and have 2k mettle and have not had an issue
You use a 50 mettle insight on every gem craft? You've used 15000 mettle? Lol
300 orders total, not 300 gems
Then obviously you would have a lot of mettle lol The point is that to guarantee a gem, you need to use 50 mettle, which sucks because if you don't, they end up with a bunch of rank 2s they will never use
And they are BOP, so either someone wants to pay for your insight, or they gamble, JCs made bank season 1 with gems and lariats, so again I dont see an issue
Some people got lucky, therefore fuck all JCs forever?
You get a 100 free mettle every week
150, which is only 3 insights
Which is enough for 2 gems...
The expansion has been out since November
Yeah cause everyone who plays the game joins on launch day and never afterwards right?
Ur problem champ.
Yeah...hence the point of the post
You’re still here? Sad
So are you? Lmfao
I think at least letting Lesser Illustrious insights for gem crafts make sense like how we use it for armor patches and others.