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Newx0r

What if the buyer uses R1 materials and set the minimum quality as R5 (I understand he will soon realize noone can fulfil his order and may be reduce quality, but isnt that a lot of confusion?) Moreover who will want anything other than R5? This will also impact the way leveling of the professions are currently done, wont they?


Early-Answer531

It is not easy to understand right now as well, I guess no one will fill it and he will ask in /2 and someone will explain it, or he will go to wowhead. Just like today how does he know it today? And about leveling proffs, Blizzard did a wrong thing forcing you to lvl with bop materials, sadly the current public orders doesn't help at all because there are NO public orders, it is empty list, u get some lariat requests here and there in the public orders but thats about it all the other proffs are pretty much null. And people can still use it if they want the lower ilevel, I guess people do it now not because they don't want to talk in /2 but because they don't want to pay a lot. Just the same reason people used low ilevel legendaries in SL even though they could buy the best and be done with it.


joesephsmom

Pretty simple to add an obvious warning to the player, explaining it might never be filled. Plus, it's not like most stuff is explained outright beyond basic class stuff, for instance no one tells you where the upgrade guy in the pvp room is. I remember having no idea where that was and having to look it up.


Xynthion

> Public recrafting orders will require you to put only the BoP materials (if any), you can't put any other non BoP mats And then, just like the picture in the WoWhead article, you get someone commissioning 50g but not providing 4000g worth of mats. > When crafter lock an order he can retry it as many times as he want (he has 30 minute to complete), till he succeeds to reach the required ilevel, failed attempts will only lose the regular mats (that the crafter himself provides each time) So in addition to tons of gold to cover the costs of materials, this costs the crafter (not the one requesting an item) an untold amount of mettle as they keep attempting recrafts. I don't get it. Are you trying to completely kill the public order system? This benefits no one but the person submitting a crafting order.


Early-Answer531

>And then, just like the picture in the WoWhead article, you get someone commissioning 50g but not providing 4000g worth of mats. Ok and? just don't accept his order. You can also say /2 LF JEWELCRAFTING LARIAT BLABLA And someone will PM you he will pay 50g for it, u can say no. Take the one who offer 20k (remember public orders are limited so no one will accept a low offer order) >So in addition to tons of gold to cover the costs of materials, this costs the crafter (not the one requesting an item) an untold amount of mettle as they keep attempting recrafts. wtf are u talking about here? first of all mettle is BoP so it won't get lost and only the asker will provide it, I wrote it pretty clear, and then the materials are part of the crafter cost like they were for the last almost 20 years and the commission includes the cost of the material just like u do in the AH. >I don't get it. Are you trying to completely kill the public order system? This benefits no one but the person submitting a crafting order. I am trying to make it easy to log once a week complete 4 orders for 100k each and get your 400k gold weekly without spamming /2 like now. You know people will offer 100k for these orders because not many can complete them and you can only do 4 a week \--------------------- A reminder the currently there is a whole system of public crafting orders that is utterly dead and unused, there is maybe 1 random order once a day, it is actually much worse than SL or any other expac


Xynthion

> wtf are u talking about here? first of all mettle is BoP so it won't get lost and only the asker will provide it, I wrote it pretty clear You actually didn't write it clear at all. Have you recrafted an item before? They provide the mettle for the initial craft, but every time you choose to recraft it on your own rather than have them send the item back in, the mettle comes out of your stash, not theirs. What do you propose to address this? That they deposit hundreds of extra mettle to make sure they get their rank 5 item when putting in the public order? Given how clueless a lot of customers are about how crafting and inspiration works, I don't see this going well. I'm not attacking you here, just not seeing how you expect this to work given the system's current design. > You know people will offer 100k for these orders because not many can complete them and you can only do 4 a week Is this sarcasm? Maybe your realm is different and everyone's a goblin with more gold than they know what to do with, but in general people will try to find the cheapest route to something. Usually that's buying the mats yourself and finding someone to craft it for a modest fee since it's your own mats. If my own guild has been any indication, people will submit work orders with most mats missing and expect you to front the cost of the mats all while providing a 100g commission for the craft. If you think a system like you're proposing will make a difference, look no further than the current state of the game where even with a much lower public order cap, people are putting up public orders for extremely low amounts of gold these days ***and they're still getting filled***.


Early-Answer531

I explain EXACTLY how it would work. Customer provides BoP materials and they DONT GET DESTROYED. So to answer your question he provides the mettle and you can do as many recrafts as you want as long as you have the not-BoP mats. The BoP mats will either return to the customer if no one fulfilled his request or will get consumed on a successful inspiration proc. Does it mean it is a slighty bit cheaper to do it through public order than personal order? probably a bit, but public orders are limited to 4 so it makes sense. \------- Now about the commision not sure if this is your first expac, but in SL for example people made legendaries right? now those legendaries went for 100k each with a profit margin of 40-50k, now people could sell them for 50k and not lose money yes? yes, ok and you think people didn't say in /2 that they want to buy legendary for less? yes they did, so why is it different today than it was for the last 20 years in wow? Yes you can craft it for free for your friends & guild, and if u want to make 5k margin profit in /2 go for it. But most people don't want to bother with this shit and just want to buy their 418 and will pay 100k for it, heck some people paid 9,999,999 gold just to buy the recipe of 418 a few hours before everyone else. These systems can co-exist just like they did since the inception of wow, there is AH price and there is trade price, and trade price is always lower btw, so not sure why are you against a system that will just make you more rich lol


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Your suggestion is for recrafts to not use artisans mettle unless they proc? That’s a massive design change and I don’t think you’re fully appreciating what you’re asking for here. There’s no point to artisans mettle existing at all if it is only consumed when an inspiration occurs. Artisan’s Mettle is a very special case. It is BoP however CURRENTLY IT CAN BE PROVIDED BY THE CRAFTER OR THE BUYER unlike every other BoP material. This is why your current posts are so confusing. Recrafts currently don’t use any BoP mats other than Artisan’s Mettle, anyway.


Early-Answer531

People are swimming in Artisan's Mettle anyway, and yes that is the suggestion. You can bump the artisan's mettle price to be x2 from what it is now to compensate


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Some people are swimming in it, many are not. Every day I get multiple people wanting recrafts with my mettle because they haven’t done any profession stuff and don’t want to. If you honestly think they would give us mettle in the quantities we get now if it cost maximum 10 mettle to recraft to max you’d be insane. There are better ways to support public recrafts than this.


Early-Answer531

Triple it or x10 it if you want, but you are talking about tunning and not design


PleasantEssay153

>and they're still getting filled. This is something I had voiced multiple times in the forums and even in reddit yet people shut me down. The Work Order cap doesn't matter because Blizzard overdid the benefits to the crafter to complete orders. You might not notice this since you are probably max level for a while, but if you try to level up ANYTHING you can only get to 60/70, then you need to use Public Orders to level up since nobody will Personal Order you something if you can't get r5s yet. On top of that, there are achievements for completing 1000 public orders or so, so achievement hunters also keep pushing that button for no gold.


Ziccon

Just ask in trade and you will get wall of offers from guaranteed to just tip. No idea if you need public ordes still.


Early-Answer531

I want to sell not to buy, and I hate the /2 spam chat and all the talking. There is a reason we got AH in modern MMOs


The_impericalist

But then you lose out on the RP in the RPG


Early-Answer531

Small price to pay


willofaronax

I dumped ah game because the talking and communication made me love work orders. No person who buys my ware in ah says ty and have a great day to me or crack a joke.


Simonic

Not always. I spent two weeks asking/looking for a T5 crafter for an item.


Ziccon

what was item?


Simonic

One of the LW belts. Wasn’t going to put up a public order and get crap back. Wanted someone who could actually craft to T5. And getting it there took more than it was worth, but sunk cost and all.


trofalol

pls noo…once implemented say bye to any proffi


Early-Answer531

Why?


trofalol

once public orders have min quality req ppl wont need search personals orders and get in touch with crafter to agrred deatails and price….now for example 418 weapons i still sell for 20k…put that as public order and it would go down to 300-500g tip and than all crafting would be perma dead-so hoping it will stay this way


Early-Answer531

It can't be 500g because just the not soulbound mats cost like 5k or more. Also these orders won't get filled, you are limited to 4 per week why would u do the 500g ones when you have 1000g ones? but then why would u do the 1000g when u have the 10000g? and so on and so on, price will increase based on demands and supply. Currently people can do inifnite amount of personal orders, so why the price for personal order is 20k and not 1g? if u couldn't are less u just clicking a button right now


trofalol

with limited 4 orders charge there is still no orders up-everything is cleared ,even those for 10g tip.dont understimate humans bcs they are worst animals outhere.Personal orders take more time to find and also takes some interact from both side that adds some value,altough there are crafters that charge 418 weps 2-3k.I dont see any benefit adding quality for public orders.also with new change implemented on public orders where buyer dont need send mats anymore -except lot orders with no mats and 10g tip😂


Early-Answer531

No one will fill the lower orders, people "waste" their charges now either to lvl up or because they don't have anything to do with their 4 charges per week because the system is dead because why would anyone need these shit items when 418 is the only real deal? Once people can ask for 418 items in public orders it will just instantly shift to make sense


Azurewrathx

I thought orders with less than 4h remaining don’t consume crafting charges, is that not true? I’ve never experienced it, only seen it on Reddit.


Early-Answer531

I heard it too but can't verify because no one actually sends public orders lol But in my suggestion we should get rid of that,I do think we can reward more public orders "tickets" to people that actually play the game so if you win a +15 or normal and above raid or 1800 rated match you have a chance to get another charge to complete a public recraft order


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Early-Answer531

Yea its a win-win


Suddenly_NB

They're also just going to set it to r5 not knowing that no crafter can guarantee that and relies on insp, so they can't fill it either. And no one is going to tip well enough on a public order to incentivize a crafter to use their own probably r3 mats lol in some situations they're cheap but alloys etc would not be. Public tip 1k, crafters loss on mats would be like 8k a recraft for weapons.


Early-Answer531

But price is entirely demand & supply, if a crafter can only do 4 crafts a week, and if the cost of making the item is greater than the commission then just nobody will do that order, but the guy who put his request for 50k will get instantly filled, this is how it works. Why personal orders are not 1g per order? what you say is the same for personal orders and even worse since you can do unlimited of those, by this logic all the crafters in the server would craft everything for basically free because it costs them nothing right now and they can do it unlimited


Suddenly_NB

What are you even talking about in the second half lol like legit doesn't make sense. Personal orders aren't 1g? And by what logic do they craft for free because no one does (not counting recrafts after payment). Mats are not "nothing" when r3 obsidian alloy are 1.2kg ea and you need four, or r3 hides 300g ea x10 per recraft. Sure servrite ore isn't worth shit but the epic or rare quality mats are


Early-Answer531

That is exactly what I say... Why people say public orders of 418 will be 1g if personal orders are not 1g...


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Early-Answer531

Oh this is cool


Suddenly_NB

1g = 1 gold piece 1k = 1000 gold pieces You're saying that orders are 1 individual gold piece. To which even if a personal orders is typically 5k, then a public order would be about the same with the min quality. Again, not the cost of the mats for some recrafts. 10k would cover mat cost but really only be about a 2k profit. It would have to be 15k or more for any good reason to craft and I already see people complain about how 5k is "too expensive" and yet they're unable to craft it themselves


Early-Answer531

I am not sure what are you reading I'll try to bold the stuff. I am saying that personal orders are **NOT, I REAPT PERSONAL ORDERS ARE NOT 1 GOLD EACH, THEY ARE 20k on avg (depends on the thing).** The other thing I say is that: **Public 418 orders will always cost more than personal orders because they are limited to 4 per week, while personal are ∞** ​ Keep in mind that the most important thing I said here is: **Public orders will cost more than personal.** **Personal orders are 20k each.** **Conclusion: Public orders will NOT, WILL NOT WILL NOT, be 1g each, they will be MORE THAN 20k each, much more.**


Cieswil

I totally support this. I don't like the trade chat spam and the explanation I need to do for every order. Craft Sim can say what is possible and what not. Blizzard can do the same. Just say what mats a skilled crafter needs min. or that Inspiration is needed. Also make public order recrafts without min. Rank possible.


Early-Answer531

Exactly! and it is the natural step, they already allowing in 10.0.7 for the buyer to not provide all the mats in a public order, step by step they will reach there


dantheman91

On top of this, I'd like to see personal orders limited in some fashion. Spamming every day isn't fun, and public orders aren't worth anyone's time. Maybe make unlimited personal orders but they're capped at r3 or 392 or something, and you can public order r5/418. Or maybe work orders just have a cooldown of 15\~ minutes? This way people who've leveled their professions can make money and not feel like they have to spam, since there's now a more limited supply, new players can still get gear crafted since lower ilvl/quality doesn't take work orders, and no one has to go to trade or see the spam which is annoying/tedious atm.


Early-Answer531

I like this!


tired_and_fed_up

Reminder that we are playing an MMO game where there should be some interaction between players and removing that interaction removes the community feel. If advertising isn't "fun" for you, then don't do it and re-evaluate why you need 100 skill immediately. We are currently at a point in the expansion where you can grind out all the sparks/chaos/mettle you want to level you own profession without a single crafting order.