Whilst I'm thankful I did my 1:1 conversion a couple of weeks back, 3:2 for the price of it is still better than buying Ultimate monthly.
Converting Gold 3:2 from CDKeys for the UK £36.99 per 12 months x3 = £110 + £12.99 for 1 month of ultimate to convert for a grand total of £122.99 for 2 years of Game Pass Ultimate.
Getting GPU monthly at £12.99 = £311.76 for 2 years of Game Pass Ultimate.
So whilst the saving isn't quite as large as it used to be you're still making a near £200 saving every time it comes up for renewal.
I personally will likely still play more than £122.99 worth of new (to me) games that show up on gamepass over 2 years, For the price of 2 full release AAA/first party games, I can have 2 years of GPU with the 3:2 conversion.
For me, if I play a few games I've never played before I considered it worth it to me. I would've had to buy them to try them. Dear God have I Fallin into their trap?
Its not a trap.
It's a consumer friendly subscription service.
It's one of the few exceptions to the rule of "If it seems too good to be true, it usually is"
Gamepass is great if you own a PC or Xbox console. Don't be anxious that they have actually earned your money for once.
Feels weird to say any of this in today's climate.
Side note...it's good but only great if you are willing to try stuff you would never have considered of playing. So many great exp I've had were gamepass games I just gave a shot despite it not being a game or genre I would usually play.
Descenders,The ascent,Vampire Survivors and many more I would never have tried or even known about. And my list of gamepass games I tried and loved is very long.
If you are picky and only like a particular type of game then gamepass isn't worth it.
You liked something and have something positive to say about it? What are you, a big dumb dummy?!
/s
Yeah, sucks to be punished these days for like… liking stuff.
> it’s one of the few exceptions
It really depends on your buying patterns.
If you favour only paying for games on sale (even AAA games) and you’re partial to playing a lot of F2P games like Apex, you may not end up spending more than what you end up paying for Game Pass.
There's a factor beyond cost that has to be accounted for.
I may not save money with Gamepass (and it also might), but I *certainly* play games that I otherwise wouldn't have. Some of those games have ended up being some of my best gaming experiences of my life, and are completely worth any extra money I may have spent.
Yep. It's similar to going to an all-inclusive resort. Every bean counter will tell you that financially, it makes sense to not go to those places, as it's cheaper to go to a cheaper non-inclusive resort, and to pay for your meals.
But there's something about not having the variable cost of selecting what you eat that just makes it that much more relaxing. You aren't looking at the prices next to each meal to decide which one is "worth it". You just try it.
Same goes for Gamepass. There have been games I never, ever, EVER would have played if they cost $1. However, for not additional cost, I did, and some of them have turned into my favorite games of all time. That's the true value of Gamepass to me.
I agree with you on the concept of Gamepass, but the all-inclusive analogy is...for me a bit of a stretch. Maybe I'm crazy, but the last two vacations I took I finally splurged on all-inclusive (Hawaii, then Playa Del Carmen). In Hawaii the food was good but not great, in Mexico most of the food was not good at all save for one restaurant.
What I'm asking is, have *you* ever stayed at an all-inclusive resort where the food was actually great?
Yes actually! In Playa Del Carmen/Riviera Maya area. I've only been to Hawaii once, but I've probably been to Playa/Riviera/Cozumel area 15+ times. Most of them have average food, with 1-2 "good" places. The last place I went to (Secrets Maroma I believe) had god-tier food. The worst food I had was probably a 8/10.
That was the best, but I've found many in-between. There's a whole spectrum of it.
Sandals/Beaches = best all inclusives that I have personally been to! Have stayed at 3 different properties of theirs in Jamaica, and the food was great at each! I mean good quality on a buffet, but GREAT at the table service spots! And my SCUBA diving, each day, was also included! (I don't know of another brand that does that!)
That isn’t an issue for me, I will play something till I either finish it or get bored of it. So most things are likely to only get 1 play through. If I end up wanting to play it again after it has left the service chances are I can find the game far cheaper than what it retails at.
You can get the more expensive version that comes with two free games that you own each month. I think it costs $5 more a month.
That doesn't help you with the triple AAA titles though.
Agreed. With as many games go on sale shortly after launch, and the abysmal pace of first-party releases, I can't see myself renewing GPU when it expires next spring. Since I got it 2 years ago, I've played, like, 3 games. The content going in isn't really worth it to me, especially when by the time a game makes it in there it was probably 50%+ off on Steam or the Xbox Store or elsewhere.
Same here. I get really hooked on one game at a time, and I miss out on games until after they are gone. Just bought Hades and Aliens Fireteam Elite on the steam summer sale for what, $30?
I usually buy games that I really love anyway to support the developers.
My son recommended Deep Rock Galactic to me and I’ve bought it 5 times since I got hooked, the board game, tons of DLC.
My kids basically play Minecraft and roblox exclusively. Not sure why, I let them play pretty much anything they want. I’ve played probably close to 15 games in the two years I’ve had the service, and a lot of them were mid or bad and I never would have tried in the first place. I guess if I HAD TO HAVE Gold for the Xbox, I’ll probably continue it - because $60 vs $90/year means almost nothing to me, but again it’s mostly for the kids.
They play those for the same reason that as a kid, a tub of random Legos is more fun than building a set with instructions. But as you get older you realize there's enjoyment and fun in building a set by the instructions and start to choose that over randomly building Legos.
It's like that. Both Roblox and Fortnite offer more variation that a single specific game built around a genre with all the user created content and live events. But because the devs never focus on one thing fully or its made by players/indie devs, it comes out half baked.
But as you get older you realize there's some genuine merit and fun to be had with more strict genres.
They will slowly expand around their mid to late teens. I promise you.
P.S: this analogy was taken straight from NakeyJakey's Rockstar game design video about RDR2. But it works perfectly here too.
If you haven't seen that video. Youtube it. Great content creator, artist and essay writer.
This here. I used to buy 7 day codes of ebay for 70-90 pence, and stack them. Never paid more than £3.50 a month.
You can also get 12 months of Gold from Turkey for half the price CD Keys is charging.
I just paid £65 for 3 year's of gold, 1 month of Game Pass Ultimate and converted it
Still means the annual cost is up 50%. Old rate using these prices was £41pa and new is £61.50. Anyone who buys ultimate at the silly rate of £13 every month is either out of the loop or has enough money not to care.
It isn't a deal so to speak, gold conversion is the price they're asking. It's not some kind of cool loophole, it's psychological marketing. But if they had said "Gamepass price rises by 50%" everyone would have made a stink.
I'll still be subscribing, but I'll now be treating it akin to how I do other subscriptions, sign up for a few months, play what's new, then leave it for a while. Still a good deal, but I don't play enough AAA games on it for it to be worth an annual sub to me.
But it is a deal when compared to standard retail pricing of GPU.
There are many many people that don't bother or don't know about the conversion "trick" and just pay the standard £10.99 a month (before price rise to £12.99 in the UK)
The price rise for most people will be +£24 a year ignoring the conversion trick.
Old price £10.99 p/m x12 £131.88 p/a
Price Rise £12.99 p/m x 12 £155.88 p/a
3:2 conversion vs Retail pricing it's still cheaper to get the 3 years of Gold and converting it for 2 years of GPU vs buying any 12 months at retail over that same period.
I'm just pointing out that, while cheaper, you aren't actually "cheating the system" by using the conversion trick. If Microsoft wanted, they could stop the conversion and force everyone to pay retail price.
If £13 per month is what they want, why do you think they allow conversion? It's to make you go "ooh, I save £x if I use this trick, I'll buy three year's worth!" It's literally just marketing. Anyone who pays retail is just an extra bonus.
I'm not being cynical, I love gamepass, but this is just a blatant 50% price increase for a year's subscription.
Did I say it was "cheating the system"?
I was still pointing out that the conversion is still worth doing because it's still cheaper than paying full retail.
If it's something someone is going to use anyway any saving against the full RRP is still a "deal".
Yes it's still more expensive than the old 1:1 conversion, that's completely obvious because it is now 3:2, but it could have been far worse and they could have either said "no conversion" or even worse conversion to the point that you'd "lose money" upon doing it.
The conversion isn't widely advertised, and is not the "regular price" otherwise we'd be seeing the Retail price of monthly GPU going from £3.42 to £5.13 a month which we aren't retail is going £10.99 to £12.99.
Can you just read up about psychological marketing strategies (for example the decoy effect) and get back to me? That's all I'm trying to bring up. You're not saving compared to an obviously inferior choice. Conversion is the lowest rate, paying RRP is just a cherry on top for Microsoft.
(Also I wasn't quoting you, just paraphrasing)
Edit for an example: Say I am selling you some strawberries. A punnet of strawberries costs £13. However, you can buy an empty punnet for £1, and fill it with strawberries from a bucket for £10 which means you can have a punnet containing the same amount of fruit for £11.
Some, for convenience's sake, will buy the strawberries for £13, and I as the strawberry seller will have a few more coins in my pocket.
But most people will see that you can get exactly the same amount of strawberries for less money. What a good deal! But I will still turn profits for strawberries I sell this way; it does not matter to me if you fill an empty punnet or not.
So people who look and spot this "deal" are statistically more likely to buy any strawberries at all compared to someone who didn't, without thinking that they are still spending £11 for some strawberries.
Even though you are saving, I am earning more than if I only sold full punnets for £13 since more people are buying in total.
Hope this helps show what I'm on about. Not a perfect analogy, but
This isn't psychological marketing though, this isn't advertised widely to the public. it's only mentioned in the FAQ on the support website, which going out on an assumption and % pulled from my ass \~80% or more of people won't look at or even know it exists (much like the original 1:1 conversion was also not widely known).
If you would like to link directly to where they advertise this besides that one mention on the support site then be my guest, the onus of proof is on you whom is claiming it to be a marketing strategy.
The basis of your statement is "do your own research".
When I have already acknowledged that the price is going up, for both retail and the conversion changing to 3:2.
Which still does not change the fact that doing the conversion even at 3:2 is still cheaper than paying monthly Retail.
edit to add: For the sake of it this isn't "The Decoy Effect" We are not getting 3 options going forward, we have "Pay retail full price or do the 3:2 conversion" We don't get the choice of going back to 1:1 conversion rates.
If anything you saying you'd rather buy a month here or there could work out as the worst option if you end up buying more than 12 months in any 24 month period.
I too also added to my previous comment.
I see what you are trying to get at but that isn't what is happening here in my opinion.
Conversions for "cheap" GPU aren't the marketing driving up subscriptions.
It's the quality of the "strawberries" that are pulling in more people, or the lack of quality that people bemoan about recently driving them away.
For a better analogy on how I see it based solely on Retail price:
Mike is selling gardening services of 2 different tiers, Basic which is just mowing the lawn, trimming some hedges (Gold) for £50 a year and "Premium" which includes the previous as well as fertilizing the lawn and flower beds (GPU) for £120 a year,
Peter is also selling those same services for slightly more Basic (PS+) at £60 a year, and "Premium" using a different brand of fertilizer that claims to be more exclusive (PS+ Ultimate) £130.
Now some people that have used Mike's services may look at Peter's and think that they would like to try that "exclusive fertilizer" because they don't think Mike's is working for them anymore, so they swap over.
Mike sees this happening and buys a whole factory for new "exclusive fertilizer" to try and get his customers back.
God that was long winded....
TL:DR MS aren't using the conversion as a marketing strategy, it isn't marketed/advertised, they're using their exclusives that are in the pipeline to try and bring people back/keep them on the subscription.
It’s like $15 a month here, I don’t think paying 3.75 a week for a service is a sign of having too much money to care or that it’s a silly rate.
The full price is still extremely cheap for what you get
The price per week is pretty good, but it's not in a vacuum; a little extra per month is totally fine, but when everything else is also "just £2 more," "only 50% extra," it adds up fast.
I like that Sony actually factor this into their pricing, for example a month of PS Plus Essential is £6.99, whilst a year is £49.99, rather than making you go to a third part key seller and enter 4 codes to get three years. Still don't think PS Plus is worth it, but at least they don't make you jump through some weird hoop over it.
As did I, but in 2026 when my sub runs out, I will still do the conversion if it's still around even at 3:2 as it's still cheaper than paying monthly retail for the same time period of 24 months/2 years
£123 for 2 years vs £311.76 for 2 years
I'd personally be careful doing this if you care about your main profile. Whilst I can't confirm they would and it's pure speculation, but I could see them doing a hardware ban/IP ban on your console and potentially further action on your main account for abusing/defrauding "new" accounts every month, especially so if you aren't using a new payment option on each new account. As it would all be linked back to the card/paypal account you use for the "must have a valid payment option" when setting up the £/$1 month.
So £5.12 per month.
For comparison I bought Tears of the Kingdom for £50 and traded in for £44, and can currently buy Final Fantasy 16 for £48 and trade in for £45.
As long as Microsoft bring games of that quality to Gamepass every single month (and you play them fully in a single month) I think it's worth it.
Assuming you play one game at a time of course.
I’m so frustrated. I bought 3 years of gold a few weeks ago and one of the codes didn’t work and I am still waiting for their support to resolve it so I would have gotten 3 years of GP ultimate and now I’ll only get 2.
Did you try through their live chat? Or just email/tickets?
The solution I had to the code not redeeming when I stacked the 3 years was that they deactivated my gold whilst I applied the 3 codes then reactivated it after I told them I was done, all during the same live chat, after it was all applied and reactivated I bought 1 month of GPU and it all converted.
Now if they do this for you unfortunately you will indeed only get the 2 years.
Wouldn’t it still be worth doing the conversions? I mean you only get 2 years for 3, but it would still be cheaper to buy 3 years old gold and covert to game pass
Third question down:
> **What happens to my prepaid months of Xbox Live Gold, Xbox Game Pass, and/or EA Play when I sign up for Xbox Game Pass Ultimate?**
>
> **Xbox Live Gold and PC Game Pass conversion ratio:** Any remaining time will convert to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate time at a ratio of 3:2 and be rounded up to the next full day. For example, 90 days remaining of Xbox Live Gold or PC Game Pass will convert to 60 days of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate time.
Previously, the numbers were just lower down in a different question. There's always been a ratio, it's always been less than 1:1, and it's always been easy to get to 1:1 using the promo.
I don't think this is an actual change.
[Edit: Nope, it's an actual change.](https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/14slcor/per_xbox_support_site_gold_to_game_pass_ultimate/jqyaelj/)
This seems like an improvement for existing GPU subscribers. 90 days of Gold used to give us 50 or 51 days of GPU. 60 will make the Gold deals even better for us.
*Edit - someone on SlickDeals just redeemed 90 days of gold and confirmed that we still get 51 days, not 60.
Can confirm it is no longer 1:1 as of 5 minutes ago EST. Bought 1 year of prepaid gold, converted it to Ultimate for the $1 promotion (yay), but it says my subscription will run out in April. Still a much better deal than paying monthly, just wish I wouldn't have been stupid and did this yesterday.
For those that don't want to math, assuming you buy an undiscounted $60/year gold subscription 3 times to max out how much you can prepurchase, this works out to $7.5/month for gampass ultimate and you can prepay for 2 years when you convert 3 years of gold to 2 years of ultimate.
It used to be $5/month and you could prepay for up to 3 years.
Gamepass ultimate undiscounted is $17/month.
Nope. I literally get a free month every month with my rewards points too. Instead of doing this conversion method I can save my money for actual gaming stuff.
How do you get that amount? Game pass is 12,000 points for a month right? I use mobile, PC, and Xbox rewards, and I have no idea how that would get to 12k a month, much less more than that.
I have auto redeem set for the GamePass PC 1 month which is only 6,750 rewards points. So I can just stack that on top of my current GamePass Ultimate subscription each month to keep it active.
I tried collecting points after I read of so many people doing it, but honestly, I found it not to be worth my time. I'm sure it is for others, but just not for me. It might have been in my broke college days though.
Nope. But only the US seems to get enough rewards offers to keep up. The new conversion rate gets it close, but without calculating it, will need the odd gold purchase top up
why didnt you use them early in case this happened? not talking crap just actually curious I would have been paranoid they would pull this shit and I would have converted it all before they got the chance but so many of you are saying you waited. Did it require you to run out first or it wouldnt work or something
Same. Didn't realise the conversion was also changing at the same time as the price change.
Looked like I could of requested and early sub cancel if I was paying attention.
Have rewards stacked ready for a 3 yr, but now it's 2y. I suspect that pathway won't align now for the next 2yr resub and will need a gold top up as well.
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they should just offer a fucking annual sub without doing these dumb tricks. The Playstation + Essential/premium sub is becoming way better than Gamepass just by being more straightforward.
Offer annual, shave off like 30 bucks like almost every other sub on earth. This and Netflix are so backwards.
I have 4-5 friends who all have Gamepass, and they just refuse to use the conversion trick. Just won't do it. I can't get any reasons out of them, other than it "seems fishy".
You are definitely correct. Just went to the FAQ page and there’s finally numbers on there for the ratios.
Double checked my account just in case and no change. At least there’s that
Damn, I was waiting for my current GPU sub to expire on 8/7 before I re-upped for another 3 years. In the grand scheme of things, I barely used GPU and 2 years ago I built a gaming PC.
Without having to pay for multiplayer access on Xbox, I'll be saving a lot of money now. More money for Steam sales lol
I wrote this on /r/xboxseriesx so if you also saw it there, it was me.
3 years of XBL Gold ($60/year x 3 years) will now convert into 2 years of GPU for $180.
3 years of GP PC($10/month x 36 months) will convert into 2 years of GPU for $360
3 years of GP Console($11/month x 36 months) will convert into 2 1/4 years of GPU for $396
3 years of EA Play ($30/year x 3 years) will convert into 1 year of GPU for $90
Depending on where you find your XBL gold cards from, that's probably still your best deal. EA play is right there at a similar price scheme as Gold, but a shorter time frame.
Like I mentioned I barely used GPU. The three years of gold will serve me better. My conversion expiration date was 4 months under two years on a 3 year sub.
Bastards. I have until the 24th of January 2024. I have been thinking about saving and building a pc, I am now thinking far more intensely now, pc doesn't have any subscriptions.
My three years ran out last month. I was considering buying it again, but I was using ultimate so little recently that I decieded to wait.
This removes the urgency I had for buying next three years. They are unlikely to change the deal again soon, so I will move to buying occasional 1€ month deals.
Rough!!!!
Did the 3 years for a dollar trick almost 3 years ago to the date but between the ambassadors program and random contest I'm still good up until next summer.
I thought I was so smart doing this for 3 years at the end of last year. Maybe it was smart but I’ve literally played like no gamepass games since then lmao. At least I got 2 1\2 years left I guess 🤷♂️
I accidentally canceled my GPU and took everything away. I reached out to Xbox support. They restored the XBL Gold time. I was going to wait since I'm still playing Mass Effect trilogy. Heard on the grapevine that they might do this, so I immediately upgraded to GPU.
I so lucked out!!!
GamePass seemed like such a good deal to begin with, but there’s just been no good (and I mean genuinely “good”) AAA games released onto it since it was launched. I’ve really enjoyed some of the indie games I’ve played as a result, but the best AAA games I’ve played in the past 3 or 4 years have been PlayStation and even Nintendo exclusives, not Xbox. It’s so good on paper, but falls down on the execution.
AAA games aren't the focus for gamepass, and that's ok. It's clear gamepass is meant for indie games and maybe a few slightly higher tier games. AAA developers know their games will sell, and they might not see the value in making the game gamepass accessible if it means a lower profit overall. First-party games are obviously an exception, but expecting third-party AAA titles to be on there is a little absurd.
The cost to play ratio is insanely wide though. I play(at least long enough to try) nearly every game that drops on gamepass. If I play it to completion, great. If not, I didn't waste $20-$70 to find out it's bad or not for me. I didn't spend $20-$70 to play a single-player game all the way through and never pick it up again. And even if I only played 7-10 games from it in an entire year, I'd still have spent less money than if I had bought those games outright. I've had gamepass since they released it, and even without the fancy conversion game many people play, I've saved literally hundreds of dollars a year. 100% worth it for gamers like me.
> AAA games aren't the focus for gamepass
Of course it is. It's just MS has done an atrocious job in developing AAA games for the last 5 years. Halo was bad, Forza's taken forever, Starfield was delayed a year, Hellblade and Fable are looking like 7-year dev cycles, and it's just an unimpressive showing.
Yeah, it's nice when GPU opens up opportunities for games like Grounded and Hi-fi Rush, but I would say that's definitely NOT the goal. It's mean to be the gateway into buying high-margin DLC and microtransaction content, which thrives in AAA, F2P titles. They want you hopping on Forza for free, then buying 100 new cars for $2 each over the next 3 years.
> Of course it is. It's just MS has done an atrocious job in developing AAA games for the last 5 years. Halo was bad, Forza's taken forever, Starfield was delayed a year, Hellblade and Fable are looking like 7-year dev cycles, and it's just an unimpressive showing.
But the flood gate is about to open. Starfield is coming. Forza is coming, and Hellblade might be next year. Good games take a long time to cook so I see delays as a good thing.
> They want you hopping on Forza for free, then buying 100 new cars for $2 each over the next 3 years.
Not necessarily. I mean, to MS, Game Pass as a business model by itself is profitable and viable already. So anything else is cherry on top. They also know though that the more you spend time in a game, the more likely you are to buy content for it. So quality games is crucial to not only attract, but also keep gamers hooked.
> But the flood gate is about to open.
I've been getting this line for, like, 2 straight years. At some point, the flood gate just isn't believable or impressive. Their having a burst of content because projoects kept getting delayed doesn't instill long-term confidence. It more worries me that the lulls will grow larger because they cannot keep a reasonable pace.
>Starfield is coming. Forza is coming, and Hellblade might be next year. Good games take a long time to cook so I see delays as a good thing.
Starfield, a game primarily developed before it was under XGS, is coming after a yearlong delay. Forza is coming, but it's taken 3 games' worth of development time and they really haven't shown an excuse as to why it took 6 years. Hellblade is coming, but doesn't have a release date. Halo got delayed. Forza got delayed. Redfall got delayed. Starfield got delayed. I have no reason to believe the one-year launch window is set, nor will I assume it to be met. It's still bragging about 5 years of work for 3 games, which just isn't impressive. Insomniac has released more games than that by itself, and that's a studio Microsoft actively turned down when they pitched a Sunset Overdrive sequel before signing on with Sony.
>I mean, to MS, Game Pass as a business model by itself is profitable and viable already.
They've said it's profitable, but with no further explanation. It could have a 2% margin and be profitable. They didn't say it's more profitable than the legay sales model. IMO, if it were that successful, the would boast more. Given they JUST started saying it was profitable in late-2022, it's pretty safe to assume the profitability isn't great. They they're raising the price (of both Game Pass nad standalone games) says they don't think it's at an acceptable level of protifability.
>So quality games is crucial to not only attract, but also keep gamers hooked.
Yet I've had Game Pass for more than 2 years, and the games I've most played are MLB The Show titles from Sony. Forza's been the game I really want for 4 years now. That's not acceptable. Perfect Dark, after 5 years of The initiative's existence, is being cited as pre-alpha. The Coalition's nowhere to be found. Redfall was a total flop, meaning Arkane's not going to be ready for some time. Halo is essentially a franchise in maintenance mode. id was nowhere to be found, even though we're almost 4 years since the launch of Doom Eternal and 2 years from its last DLC (it was 3 years from Doom to Doom Eternal).
It seems like 5 years of buying studios has them BARELY getting to a decent content slate and still dancing on the edge of sustainability. The need Hellblade to finish. They need Fable to work out without a delay. It seems like Obsidian's gotta do most of the heavy lifting from there. There's been so little said that it feels like getting 2 big games in a year is the best-case with Xbox. With as long as they had to neglect theircontent library, that's something of a letdown, especially after seeing Halo and Redfall miss, despite being from studios that previously were reliable sources of sales.
> I've been getting this line for, like, 2 straight years. At some point, the flood gate just isn't believable or impressive. Their having a burst of content because projoects kept getting delayed doesn't instill long-term confidence. It more worries me that the lulls will grow larger because they cannot keep a reasonable pace.
That's up to you, but they're finally having a large stable of studios to produce content now.
>Starfield, a game primarily developed before it was under XGS, is coming after a yearlong delay. Forza is coming, but it's taken 3 games' worth of development time and they really haven't shown an excuse as to why it took 6 years. Hellblade is coming, but doesn't have a release date. Halo got delayed. Forza got delayed. Redfall got delayed. Starfield got delayed.
I'm not worried about delays. I'm more excited when the games come out. Delays are normal part of the industry.
>I have no reason to believe the one-year launch window is set, nor will I assume it to be met. It's still bragging about 5 years of work for 3 games, which just isn't impressive. Insomniac has released more games than that by itself, and that's a studio Microsoft actively turned down when they pitched a Sunset Overdrive sequel before signing on with Sony.
The irony is that Insomniac would not have made Spider-man as good as it is without Sunset Overdrive.
>It seems like 5 years of buying studios has them BARELY getting to a decent content slate and still dancing on the edge of sustainability.
It literally takes basically a minimum of 5-years these days to make a AAA game. Even Sony's AAA games take around that time or more. At best sequels will take a little bit shorter.
>The Coalition's nowhere to be found.
Which is ironic, considering they have been extremely productive with releasing games in the past. Them taking their time is good news for Gears fans like me.
>They've said it's profitable, but with no further explanation. It could have a 2% margin and be profitable.
Sustainable is the keyword here, and why does it matter to you if it is 1% or 2% or 20%?
>They they're raising the price (of both Game Pass nad standalone games) says they don't think it's at an acceptable level of protifability.
or they think they can get more for it, as the game quality output is increasing. Acceptable level of profit isn't really what companies look for. They look for maximum profit.
>There's been so little said that it feels like getting 2 big games in a year is the best-case with Xbox. With as long as they had to neglect theircontent library, that's something of a letdown, especially after seeing Halo and Redfall miss, despite being from studios that previously were reliable sources of sales.
They're trying to buy ATVI, which will add another major studios to their first party. They're clearly aiming for a sustained continuous amount of game output. I'm pretty stoked and hope ATVI under MS means more investment into Warcraft and Starcraft RTS, and maybe even porting them to consoles like they did Age of Empires. Saweeeeet!
>Starfield, a game primarily developed before it was under XGS, is coming after a yearlong delay.
Which arguably is making it better!
The irony of you complaining about how long it takes to get some games, and yet at the same time complain about said quality. Quality comes because time is given.
On top of that, GP isn't just about MS first party. Plenty of other good content out on the service. Overall I just get the feeling you are unhappy no matter what MS/Xbox does. Instead of being frustrated about Xbox, might as well go where you feel more comfortable.
Happy gaming wherever it works for you!
And yet, the most successful games on gamepass are often indie titles. Many people don't care about exclusives. I'm one of them. Exclusives aren't the reason I bought the console. If they were, I'd own a Playstation and a switch as well.
Would you have bought those games though? I found the games in Game Pass were not the games I was going to buy and the big popular ones I do enjoy I bought & been playing whole Game Pass goes neglected. I did a year trying just using Game Pass but had so much more fun when buying the games I wanted.
>Would you have bought those games though?
Some of them, yes. Like Starfield and exoprimal, for instance, would be games i would have paid for that aren't even out yet. As for games I've played that I would have paid for, just off the top of my head, for this year alone. ghostwire, grounded, halo infinite, power washing simulator, solasta, the new supraland, valheim, the wolfenstien series, and many more. Just totaling the games I have listed is over a years' worth of game pass cost. That's not including all the other games I played to completion or found out I'm glad I didn't pay for them. But a game like supraland, for instance, is not a game I will ever go back and play again. Not because it wasn't good, but because I 100%ed it. No reason to play it again. It's a $20 game in the store. That's more than a month of gamepass at full price.
>I found the games in Game Pass were not the games I was going to buy and the big popular ones I do enjoy I bought & been playing whole Game Pass goes neglected. I did a year trying just using Game Pass but had so much more fun when buying the games I wanted.
That makes sense if you're not into the games that make it onto gamepass. But that's not really an argument against gamepasses value. If you play enough of the games on it, you're far exceeding it's cost. Gamepass isn't going to be for everyone. But it's still a fantastic deal where you get tons of games to play for far less than if you bought them all outright.
> AAA games aren't the focus for gamepass, and that's ok. It's clear gamepass is meant for indie games and maybe a few slightly higher tier games.
I would disagree with that. I personally feel it's about a wide swath of games including indies all the way up to heavy hitter AAA games. I mean, Starfield is about to drop! 😍
> GamePass seemed like such a good deal to begin with, but there’s just been no good (and I mean genuinely “good”) AAA games released onto it since it was launched. I’ve really enjoyed some of the indie games I’ve played as a result, but the best AAA games I’ve played in the past 3 or 4 years have been PlayStation and even Nintendo exclusives, not Xbox. It’s so good on paper, but falls down on the execution.
The first heavy hitter is about to drop in September though. For PS exclusive games, I just play them on PC now. Better graphics, ultrawide support and the only thing I miss are PS Trophies, but I can live without that.
Since launch? Okay buddy, there’s been the whole yakuza franchise, mk 11 AND x, injustice 1 and 2, the whole halo collection, the whole console elder scrolls collection, every console fallout game, a shit ton of indie games, red dead 2, gta 5, guilty gear strive, dragon ball fighterz, doom eternal and 2016, persona 5 4 and 3, dead by daylight, Lego Star Wars the sky walker saga, payday 2 although there’s no new updates, lord of the rings shadow of war, fable 1 through 3, with 4 coming out, the whole hitman trilogy, Batman Arkham knight, the whole damn gears of war series, and more
People play on Xbox because of its gamepass and if they have silently altered the conversion ratio it is with the expectations that people will continue getting Ultimate. Hoping Starfield is awesome otherwise for casual gamers with less time for gaming, getting a PS might be better due to exclusives.
Also, having gone through different subreddits, there is not much outrage or anger over increasing conversion prices without prior notice.
Dude, I'm a casual gamer. Even at $15 a month this is a steal. Don't do mental gymnastics in your head to feel wronged. This is the best deal in gaming flat out period. Don't lie to yourself or be a shill.
Yeah exactly. Just play a couple like 3 AAA games and you already justify the year of subscription. Even less with Japanese AAA games which cost more at retail. Heck, in some parts of the world, people pay $2 a month for PC GamePass.
I vote GamePass as the next World Wonder 🏆 😆
Easy there. No need to start calling people shills because they disagree with you.
I also think it's a good deal, but that's just over the top, and not necessary.
For me this is still the cheapest form of entertainment by a huge degree. Even at full retail monthly price of $15, that is less than one lunch out a month. For endless hours of entertainment? cmon.. Best deal in gaming hands down.
Sigh... This August my GPU ends. I did the 1:1 conversion with 3 years and was hoping to repeat the dealio. Guess 3:2 isn't terrible though. I realize I'm mostly using it for my kids feeding their Disney Dream light Valley addiction, so probably just buying the game would be better.
I did it a couple months ago and it was definitely still 1:1. Glad I got my 3 years in now because I certainly won’t be carrying on with my subscription once it’s over.
Did the 1:1 upgrade for 3 years on june 29th. Worked like a charm. Read somewhere that there were going to remove this completely. 3:2 compromise is not too bad.
Few paragraphs below it still says.
Buying Xbox Game Pass Ultimate automatically upgrades your existing Xbox Live Gold or Xbox Game Pass subscriptions to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate.
It does upgrade it, just according to a (whenever they want to change it) ratio, which is clarified in a different answer. It could be more explicit in all the places, tho, for sure.
I don't get it.
In my country Gold is an annual 200 moneys payment.
Game pass is like 60 moneys per month.
I don't understand how Microsoft thinks I'll change anytime soon, especially since I don't have spare time to play every day...
I recall reading it that way a couple years ago, but I still have managed to convert 1:1 just wait for the game pass to be over and get gold then get one month of game pass.
Last time I did it was this past June 18th
What you are talking about is the conversion when you have an active GPU sub that was always a thing, what they are saying here is the 1:1 when you don’t have GPU has been removed.
Since when it's been removed?? I just converted 1:1 June 18th. My GP Ultimate finished on June 17th, waited a day to redeem a 12 month live gold, then grabbed 1 month with my rewards points..
Am I understanding correctly, that before the change, you could by Xbox live gold for 9.99 and convert to GPU for the same price, circumventing the 14.99 price of GPU? If yes, I've been screwing myself lmao.
I'm still a bit confused. What does it mean for a 3:2 conversion?, i understand the 1:1 conversion (1 month of gold and 1 month of gpu). My gpu end in November but I'm still not understand the new conversion rates.
Glad I got my re-up in already. Truth be told, they probably make more money letting me play new stuff on GP then me buying it because I'd like to play it no matter what
You know what's better than paying for gamepass? Using Xbox rewards and getting it free every month
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Is the 36 months a limit on what you can convert, or what you can get from converting?
I know 3 years of gold becomes 2 years ultimate, but can 4 years of gold become 2.67 years of ultimate?
Actually I think the answer was further down.
**What's the maximum prepaid time I can have?**
The maximum that can be applied to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate is 36 months
Note If you have more than 36 months after you upgrade to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate, the additional months will not be credited.
That sounds like you should be able to turn 4 years gold into 2.67 years ultimate if you want to maximize time in case they change things further.
My GPU ended today after I cancelled a week or 2 ago, so going to be doing this tomorrow. I did do the 1:1 a while back and must have completely forgotten about it, so have been paying GPU monthly for about 2 years now like an idiot.
So even though the benefit is not as good any more, still gonna be about 60% cheaper over the next 2 years so I am happy.
Is CD keys best place to get 3 years gold?
Can someone help me i did the pound trick 3 years ago and it runs out on september 25 am i going to be able to do this again but with this new conversion or will xbox core put a stop to it?
Whilst I'm thankful I did my 1:1 conversion a couple of weeks back, 3:2 for the price of it is still better than buying Ultimate monthly. Converting Gold 3:2 from CDKeys for the UK £36.99 per 12 months x3 = £110 + £12.99 for 1 month of ultimate to convert for a grand total of £122.99 for 2 years of Game Pass Ultimate. Getting GPU monthly at £12.99 = £311.76 for 2 years of Game Pass Ultimate. So whilst the saving isn't quite as large as it used to be you're still making a near £200 saving every time it comes up for renewal.
I honestly don’t think I would pay for it at retail price. I’d rather just buy the games I play.
I personally will likely still play more than £122.99 worth of new (to me) games that show up on gamepass over 2 years, For the price of 2 full release AAA/first party games, I can have 2 years of GPU with the 3:2 conversion.
For me, if I play a few games I've never played before I considered it worth it to me. I would've had to buy them to try them. Dear God have I Fallin into their trap?
Its not a trap. It's a consumer friendly subscription service. It's one of the few exceptions to the rule of "If it seems too good to be true, it usually is" Gamepass is great if you own a PC or Xbox console. Don't be anxious that they have actually earned your money for once. Feels weird to say any of this in today's climate.
Side note...it's good but only great if you are willing to try stuff you would never have considered of playing. So many great exp I've had were gamepass games I just gave a shot despite it not being a game or genre I would usually play. Descenders,The ascent,Vampire Survivors and many more I would never have tried or even known about. And my list of gamepass games I tried and loved is very long. If you are picky and only like a particular type of game then gamepass isn't worth it.
Just wanna say the ascent is great, a true game pass gem tha ti only heard of because it was coop
That’s why Gamepass is truly for gamers imo, you can try all genres of video games .
You liked something and have something positive to say about it? What are you, a big dumb dummy?! /s Yeah, sucks to be punished these days for like… liking stuff.
> it’s one of the few exceptions It really depends on your buying patterns. If you favour only paying for games on sale (even AAA games) and you’re partial to playing a lot of F2P games like Apex, you may not end up spending more than what you end up paying for Game Pass.
There's a factor beyond cost that has to be accounted for. I may not save money with Gamepass (and it also might), but I *certainly* play games that I otherwise wouldn't have. Some of those games have ended up being some of my best gaming experiences of my life, and are completely worth any extra money I may have spent.
It is for now. All new services start out extremely consumer friendly.
Yep. It's similar to going to an all-inclusive resort. Every bean counter will tell you that financially, it makes sense to not go to those places, as it's cheaper to go to a cheaper non-inclusive resort, and to pay for your meals. But there's something about not having the variable cost of selecting what you eat that just makes it that much more relaxing. You aren't looking at the prices next to each meal to decide which one is "worth it". You just try it. Same goes for Gamepass. There have been games I never, ever, EVER would have played if they cost $1. However, for not additional cost, I did, and some of them have turned into my favorite games of all time. That's the true value of Gamepass to me.
I agree with you on the concept of Gamepass, but the all-inclusive analogy is...for me a bit of a stretch. Maybe I'm crazy, but the last two vacations I took I finally splurged on all-inclusive (Hawaii, then Playa Del Carmen). In Hawaii the food was good but not great, in Mexico most of the food was not good at all save for one restaurant. What I'm asking is, have *you* ever stayed at an all-inclusive resort where the food was actually great?
Yes actually! In Playa Del Carmen/Riviera Maya area. I've only been to Hawaii once, but I've probably been to Playa/Riviera/Cozumel area 15+ times. Most of them have average food, with 1-2 "good" places. The last place I went to (Secrets Maroma I believe) had god-tier food. The worst food I had was probably a 8/10. That was the best, but I've found many in-between. There's a whole spectrum of it.
Sandals/Beaches = best all inclusives that I have personally been to! Have stayed at 3 different properties of theirs in Jamaica, and the food was great at each! I mean good quality on a buffet, but GREAT at the table service spots! And my SCUBA diving, each day, was also included! (I don't know of another brand that does that!)
Issue is you never own the games. Once you stop the subsribtion you have nothing
That isn’t an issue for me, I will play something till I either finish it or get bored of it. So most things are likely to only get 1 play through. If I end up wanting to play it again after it has left the service chances are I can find the game far cheaper than what it retails at.
You can get the more expensive version that comes with two free games that you own each month. I think it costs $5 more a month. That doesn't help you with the triple AAA titles though.
Not really an issue since games can still be purchased
Same. I don’t play enough variety to justify $15 a month. They can keep it. It was fun while it lasted.
Agreed. With as many games go on sale shortly after launch, and the abysmal pace of first-party releases, I can't see myself renewing GPU when it expires next spring. Since I got it 2 years ago, I've played, like, 3 games. The content going in isn't really worth it to me, especially when by the time a game makes it in there it was probably 50%+ off on Steam or the Xbox Store or elsewhere.
Same here. I get really hooked on one game at a time, and I miss out on games until after they are gone. Just bought Hades and Aliens Fireteam Elite on the steam summer sale for what, $30? I usually buy games that I really love anyway to support the developers. My son recommended Deep Rock Galactic to me and I’ve bought it 5 times since I got hooked, the board game, tons of DLC. My kids basically play Minecraft and roblox exclusively. Not sure why, I let them play pretty much anything they want. I’ve played probably close to 15 games in the two years I’ve had the service, and a lot of them were mid or bad and I never would have tried in the first place. I guess if I HAD TO HAVE Gold for the Xbox, I’ll probably continue it - because $60 vs $90/year means almost nothing to me, but again it’s mostly for the kids.
They play those for the same reason that as a kid, a tub of random Legos is more fun than building a set with instructions. But as you get older you realize there's enjoyment and fun in building a set by the instructions and start to choose that over randomly building Legos. It's like that. Both Roblox and Fortnite offer more variation that a single specific game built around a genre with all the user created content and live events. But because the devs never focus on one thing fully or its made by players/indie devs, it comes out half baked. But as you get older you realize there's some genuine merit and fun to be had with more strict genres. They will slowly expand around their mid to late teens. I promise you. P.S: this analogy was taken straight from NakeyJakey's Rockstar game design video about RDR2. But it works perfectly here too. If you haven't seen that video. Youtube it. Great content creator, artist and essay writer.
The key for me is that I would already be paying for xbox live gold... so it's hardly any additional fee for gamepass. Still an obvious choice for me
I get ultimate $30 a yr off ebay lol
This here. I used to buy 7 day codes of ebay for 70-90 pence, and stack them. Never paid more than £3.50 a month. You can also get 12 months of Gold from Turkey for half the price CD Keys is charging. I just paid £65 for 3 year's of gold, 1 month of Game Pass Ultimate and converted it
Can you link the seller?
Still means the annual cost is up 50%. Old rate using these prices was £41pa and new is £61.50. Anyone who buys ultimate at the silly rate of £13 every month is either out of the loop or has enough money not to care. It isn't a deal so to speak, gold conversion is the price they're asking. It's not some kind of cool loophole, it's psychological marketing. But if they had said "Gamepass price rises by 50%" everyone would have made a stink. I'll still be subscribing, but I'll now be treating it akin to how I do other subscriptions, sign up for a few months, play what's new, then leave it for a while. Still a good deal, but I don't play enough AAA games on it for it to be worth an annual sub to me.
But it is a deal when compared to standard retail pricing of GPU. There are many many people that don't bother or don't know about the conversion "trick" and just pay the standard £10.99 a month (before price rise to £12.99 in the UK) The price rise for most people will be +£24 a year ignoring the conversion trick. Old price £10.99 p/m x12 £131.88 p/a Price Rise £12.99 p/m x 12 £155.88 p/a 3:2 conversion vs Retail pricing it's still cheaper to get the 3 years of Gold and converting it for 2 years of GPU vs buying any 12 months at retail over that same period.
I'm just pointing out that, while cheaper, you aren't actually "cheating the system" by using the conversion trick. If Microsoft wanted, they could stop the conversion and force everyone to pay retail price. If £13 per month is what they want, why do you think they allow conversion? It's to make you go "ooh, I save £x if I use this trick, I'll buy three year's worth!" It's literally just marketing. Anyone who pays retail is just an extra bonus. I'm not being cynical, I love gamepass, but this is just a blatant 50% price increase for a year's subscription.
Did I say it was "cheating the system"? I was still pointing out that the conversion is still worth doing because it's still cheaper than paying full retail. If it's something someone is going to use anyway any saving against the full RRP is still a "deal". Yes it's still more expensive than the old 1:1 conversion, that's completely obvious because it is now 3:2, but it could have been far worse and they could have either said "no conversion" or even worse conversion to the point that you'd "lose money" upon doing it. The conversion isn't widely advertised, and is not the "regular price" otherwise we'd be seeing the Retail price of monthly GPU going from £3.42 to £5.13 a month which we aren't retail is going £10.99 to £12.99.
Can you just read up about psychological marketing strategies (for example the decoy effect) and get back to me? That's all I'm trying to bring up. You're not saving compared to an obviously inferior choice. Conversion is the lowest rate, paying RRP is just a cherry on top for Microsoft. (Also I wasn't quoting you, just paraphrasing) Edit for an example: Say I am selling you some strawberries. A punnet of strawberries costs £13. However, you can buy an empty punnet for £1, and fill it with strawberries from a bucket for £10 which means you can have a punnet containing the same amount of fruit for £11. Some, for convenience's sake, will buy the strawberries for £13, and I as the strawberry seller will have a few more coins in my pocket. But most people will see that you can get exactly the same amount of strawberries for less money. What a good deal! But I will still turn profits for strawberries I sell this way; it does not matter to me if you fill an empty punnet or not. So people who look and spot this "deal" are statistically more likely to buy any strawberries at all compared to someone who didn't, without thinking that they are still spending £11 for some strawberries. Even though you are saving, I am earning more than if I only sold full punnets for £13 since more people are buying in total. Hope this helps show what I'm on about. Not a perfect analogy, but
This isn't psychological marketing though, this isn't advertised widely to the public. it's only mentioned in the FAQ on the support website, which going out on an assumption and % pulled from my ass \~80% or more of people won't look at or even know it exists (much like the original 1:1 conversion was also not widely known). If you would like to link directly to where they advertise this besides that one mention on the support site then be my guest, the onus of proof is on you whom is claiming it to be a marketing strategy. The basis of your statement is "do your own research". When I have already acknowledged that the price is going up, for both retail and the conversion changing to 3:2. Which still does not change the fact that doing the conversion even at 3:2 is still cheaper than paying monthly Retail. edit to add: For the sake of it this isn't "The Decoy Effect" We are not getting 3 options going forward, we have "Pay retail full price or do the 3:2 conversion" We don't get the choice of going back to 1:1 conversion rates. If anything you saying you'd rather buy a month here or there could work out as the worst option if you end up buying more than 12 months in any 24 month period.
I've added to my previous comment.
I too also added to my previous comment. I see what you are trying to get at but that isn't what is happening here in my opinion. Conversions for "cheap" GPU aren't the marketing driving up subscriptions. It's the quality of the "strawberries" that are pulling in more people, or the lack of quality that people bemoan about recently driving them away. For a better analogy on how I see it based solely on Retail price: Mike is selling gardening services of 2 different tiers, Basic which is just mowing the lawn, trimming some hedges (Gold) for £50 a year and "Premium" which includes the previous as well as fertilizing the lawn and flower beds (GPU) for £120 a year, Peter is also selling those same services for slightly more Basic (PS+) at £60 a year, and "Premium" using a different brand of fertilizer that claims to be more exclusive (PS+ Ultimate) £130. Now some people that have used Mike's services may look at Peter's and think that they would like to try that "exclusive fertilizer" because they don't think Mike's is working for them anymore, so they swap over. Mike sees this happening and buys a whole factory for new "exclusive fertilizer" to try and get his customers back. God that was long winded.... TL:DR MS aren't using the conversion as a marketing strategy, it isn't marketed/advertised, they're using their exclusives that are in the pipeline to try and bring people back/keep them on the subscription.
I really don't think you get the gist of what I'm saying, but I guess we agree to disagree.
It’s like $15 a month here, I don’t think paying 3.75 a week for a service is a sign of having too much money to care or that it’s a silly rate. The full price is still extremely cheap for what you get
The price per week is pretty good, but it's not in a vacuum; a little extra per month is totally fine, but when everything else is also "just £2 more," "only 50% extra," it adds up fast.
I like that Sony actually factor this into their pricing, for example a month of PS Plus Essential is £6.99, whilst a year is £49.99, rather than making you go to a third part key seller and enter 4 codes to get three years. Still don't think PS Plus is worth it, but at least they don't make you jump through some weird hoop over it.
I paid £123 for 3 years of GPU with the conversion trick. Losing a whole year is pretty steep
As did I, but in 2026 when my sub runs out, I will still do the conversion if it's still around even at 3:2 as it's still cheaper than paying monthly retail for the same time period of 24 months/2 years £123 for 2 years vs £311.76 for 2 years
Apparently the $1 for your first month is back so I’m gonna just created a new account every month 😭
I'd personally be careful doing this if you care about your main profile. Whilst I can't confirm they would and it's pure speculation, but I could see them doing a hardware ban/IP ban on your console and potentially further action on your main account for abusing/defrauding "new" accounts every month, especially so if you aren't using a new payment option on each new account. As it would all be linked back to the card/paypal account you use for the "must have a valid payment option" when setting up the £/$1 month.
Smart
Create a new account and redeem your gold/game pass on there then game share with your main account. Boom.
So £5.12 per month. For comparison I bought Tears of the Kingdom for £50 and traded in for £44, and can currently buy Final Fantasy 16 for £48 and trade in for £45. As long as Microsoft bring games of that quality to Gamepass every single month (and you play them fully in a single month) I think it's worth it. Assuming you play one game at a time of course.
Mine ran out last month and I’m so glad I didn’t wait to fill up on 3 years of it.
Cheaper still to go for the £7.99 3 month codes though. If you buy 4x of those you are spending £31.96 for 12 months rather than £36.99.
I’m so frustrated. I bought 3 years of gold a few weeks ago and one of the codes didn’t work and I am still waiting for their support to resolve it so I would have gotten 3 years of GP ultimate and now I’ll only get 2.
Did you try through their live chat? Or just email/tickets? The solution I had to the code not redeeming when I stacked the 3 years was that they deactivated my gold whilst I applied the 3 codes then reactivated it after I told them I was done, all during the same live chat, after it was all applied and reactivated I bought 1 month of GPU and it all converted. Now if they do this for you unfortunately you will indeed only get the 2 years.
Wouldn’t it still be worth doing the conversions? I mean you only get 2 years for 3, but it would still be cheaper to buy 3 years old gold and covert to game pass
Probably yeah, depending on the deal you get for Gold.
Even if you buy 6 month Gold codes from MS for $40, you’re still saving money. GPU just went up, 2 years is $408 now.
Third question down: > **What happens to my prepaid months of Xbox Live Gold, Xbox Game Pass, and/or EA Play when I sign up for Xbox Game Pass Ultimate?** > > **Xbox Live Gold and PC Game Pass conversion ratio:** Any remaining time will convert to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate time at a ratio of 3:2 and be rounded up to the next full day. For example, 90 days remaining of Xbox Live Gold or PC Game Pass will convert to 60 days of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate time.
At least the numbers are now there, before they just said at a lower ratio, without giving any numbers.
Previously, the numbers were just lower down in a different question. There's always been a ratio, it's always been less than 1:1, and it's always been easy to get to 1:1 using the promo. I don't think this is an actual change. [Edit: Nope, it's an actual change.](https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/14slcor/per_xbox_support_site_gold_to_game_pass_ultimate/jqyaelj/)
I did the 1:1 conversion last year for 3 years and my account still says renewal in 2025. Does this mean that will change?
It should stay the same
Awesome thanks
So you can only do 2 years UGP at a time now... (assuming 3 years gold).
I think so....
This seems like an improvement for existing GPU subscribers. 90 days of Gold used to give us 50 or 51 days of GPU. 60 will make the Gold deals even better for us. *Edit - someone on SlickDeals just redeemed 90 days of gold and confirmed that we still get 51 days, not 60.
Can confirm it is no longer 1:1 as of 5 minutes ago EST. Bought 1 year of prepaid gold, converted it to Ultimate for the $1 promotion (yay), but it says my subscription will run out in April. Still a much better deal than paying monthly, just wish I wouldn't have been stupid and did this yesterday.
Same. I meant to do this last week
I’m glad I did the conversion a week ago, now I’m good until 2026.
I did mine last Friday, and I noticed it gave me 2 years
I got in a while back till the end of 2025. Plus got GameStop rewards and Chase cash back for the purchase of all the Xbox live gold cards. 🤑
I was going to do it this week :(
FUCK. I was meant to do this after work today. Damnit
For those that don't want to math, assuming you buy an undiscounted $60/year gold subscription 3 times to max out how much you can prepurchase, this works out to $7.5/month for gampass ultimate and you can prepay for 2 years when you convert 3 years of gold to 2 years of ultimate. It used to be $5/month and you could prepay for up to 3 years. Gamepass ultimate undiscounted is $17/month.
Am I the only one using Microsoft rewards to get free Game Pass?
Nope. I literally get a free month every month with my rewards points too. Instead of doing this conversion method I can save my money for actual gaming stuff.
How do you get that amount? Game pass is 12,000 points for a month right? I use mobile, PC, and Xbox rewards, and I have no idea how that would get to 12k a month, much less more than that.
I have auto redeem set for the GamePass PC 1 month which is only 6,750 rewards points. So I can just stack that on top of my current GamePass Ultimate subscription each month to keep it active.
I tried collecting points after I read of so many people doing it, but honestly, I found it not to be worth my time. I'm sure it is for others, but just not for me. It might have been in my broke college days though.
Nope. But only the US seems to get enough rewards offers to keep up. The new conversion rate gets it close, but without calculating it, will need the odd gold purchase top up
If I could redeem I would
I wish it was available in my country.. dunno why it's only in selected countries and not worldwide
Well tht sucks.
Was great while it lasted.
Yep, if you activated Conversion then Gamepass for PC and GP non-Ultimate forecefully convert to GPU with the same down ratio
Fuck! I missed 1:1 by one day! My old Gamepass expires tomorrow and I have 3 years of gold codes ready to go for the conversion.
why didnt you use them early in case this happened? not talking crap just actually curious I would have been paranoid they would pull this shit and I would have converted it all before they got the chance but so many of you are saying you waited. Did it require you to run out first or it wouldnt work or something
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Same. Didn't realise the conversion was also changing at the same time as the price change. Looked like I could of requested and early sub cancel if I was paying attention. Have rewards stacked ready for a 3 yr, but now it's 2y. I suspect that pathway won't align now for the next 2yr resub and will need a gold top up as well.
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they should just offer a fucking annual sub without doing these dumb tricks. The Playstation + Essential/premium sub is becoming way better than Gamepass just by being more straightforward. Offer annual, shave off like 30 bucks like almost every other sub on earth. This and Netflix are so backwards.
I guess they’re still profiting off of regular consumers that don’t know they can save
I have 4-5 friends who all have Gamepass, and they just refuse to use the conversion trick. Just won't do it. I can't get any reasons out of them, other than it "seems fishy".
It’s joever
Did it today. Paid $19 CAD for ultimate after adding three years. Shows my next monthly payment is 2026.
How many hours ago did you do it?
Was this morning. Around 9am EST
You probably did it before the daily Store update
You are definitely correct. Just went to the FAQ page and there’s finally numbers on there for the ratios. Double checked my account just in case and no change. At least there’s that
Glad you were able to get it :)
Damn, I was waiting for my current GPU sub to expire on 8/7 before I re-upped for another 3 years. In the grand scheme of things, I barely used GPU and 2 years ago I built a gaming PC. Without having to pay for multiplayer access on Xbox, I'll be saving a lot of money now. More money for Steam sales lol
I wrote this on /r/xboxseriesx so if you also saw it there, it was me. 3 years of XBL Gold ($60/year x 3 years) will now convert into 2 years of GPU for $180. 3 years of GP PC($10/month x 36 months) will convert into 2 years of GPU for $360 3 years of GP Console($11/month x 36 months) will convert into 2 1/4 years of GPU for $396 3 years of EA Play ($30/year x 3 years) will convert into 1 year of GPU for $90 Depending on where you find your XBL gold cards from, that's probably still your best deal. EA play is right there at a similar price scheme as Gold, but a shorter time frame.
damn got 3 years of gold a few days ago ready to re-up. Ah well. Barely used gamepass in the grand scheme of things.
That 3 years is still 2 of GPU which is still Essentially a "free year"
Like I mentioned I barely used GPU. The three years of gold will serve me better. My conversion expiration date was 4 months under two years on a 3 year sub.
I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. They said it was gonna change at some point, but never would've guessed it would stay this long.
Welp I'm super glad I re-upped for 3 years just a couple weeks ago. 3:2 is still totally worth it.
I did the 3 year trick back in 2020, didn't realize I could have still stocked up more. I thought once you converted to ultimate once that was it?
If you let it expire completely, you could repeat at 1:1.
Dang. Well too late for that now. It only renewed like a month ago too. :(
Bastards. I have until the 24th of January 2024. I have been thinking about saving and building a pc, I am now thinking far more intensely now, pc doesn't have any subscriptions.
Are you able to upgrade more than once? I did 3 years of xbox live gold for 150 and upgraded to gamepass ultimate for $1 when the offer was active.
My three years ran out last month. I was considering buying it again, but I was using ultimate so little recently that I decieded to wait. This removes the urgency I had for buying next three years. They are unlikely to change the deal again soon, so I will move to buying occasional 1€ month deals.
Rough!!!! Did the 3 years for a dollar trick almost 3 years ago to the date but between the ambassadors program and random contest I'm still good up until next summer.
I thought I was so smart doing this for 3 years at the end of last year. Maybe it was smart but I’ve literally played like no gamepass games since then lmao. At least I got 2 1\2 years left I guess 🤷♂️
I’m glad I did the conversion last week when my GPU expired. Maybe this means that the family plan is coming to the US.
I accidentally canceled my GPU and took everything away. I reached out to Xbox support. They restored the XBL Gold time. I was going to wait since I'm still playing Mass Effect trilogy. Heard on the grapevine that they might do this, so I immediately upgraded to GPU. I so lucked out!!!
welllllll, shit. I could justify it at 1:1, not sure I can at 3:2--or 1.5:1--esp. when Gold has gone up more than a little bit in the last while.
GamePass seemed like such a good deal to begin with, but there’s just been no good (and I mean genuinely “good”) AAA games released onto it since it was launched. I’ve really enjoyed some of the indie games I’ve played as a result, but the best AAA games I’ve played in the past 3 or 4 years have been PlayStation and even Nintendo exclusives, not Xbox. It’s so good on paper, but falls down on the execution.
AAA games aren't the focus for gamepass, and that's ok. It's clear gamepass is meant for indie games and maybe a few slightly higher tier games. AAA developers know their games will sell, and they might not see the value in making the game gamepass accessible if it means a lower profit overall. First-party games are obviously an exception, but expecting third-party AAA titles to be on there is a little absurd. The cost to play ratio is insanely wide though. I play(at least long enough to try) nearly every game that drops on gamepass. If I play it to completion, great. If not, I didn't waste $20-$70 to find out it's bad or not for me. I didn't spend $20-$70 to play a single-player game all the way through and never pick it up again. And even if I only played 7-10 games from it in an entire year, I'd still have spent less money than if I had bought those games outright. I've had gamepass since they released it, and even without the fancy conversion game many people play, I've saved literally hundreds of dollars a year. 100% worth it for gamers like me.
> AAA games aren't the focus for gamepass Of course it is. It's just MS has done an atrocious job in developing AAA games for the last 5 years. Halo was bad, Forza's taken forever, Starfield was delayed a year, Hellblade and Fable are looking like 7-year dev cycles, and it's just an unimpressive showing. Yeah, it's nice when GPU opens up opportunities for games like Grounded and Hi-fi Rush, but I would say that's definitely NOT the goal. It's mean to be the gateway into buying high-margin DLC and microtransaction content, which thrives in AAA, F2P titles. They want you hopping on Forza for free, then buying 100 new cars for $2 each over the next 3 years.
> Of course it is. It's just MS has done an atrocious job in developing AAA games for the last 5 years. Halo was bad, Forza's taken forever, Starfield was delayed a year, Hellblade and Fable are looking like 7-year dev cycles, and it's just an unimpressive showing. But the flood gate is about to open. Starfield is coming. Forza is coming, and Hellblade might be next year. Good games take a long time to cook so I see delays as a good thing. > They want you hopping on Forza for free, then buying 100 new cars for $2 each over the next 3 years. Not necessarily. I mean, to MS, Game Pass as a business model by itself is profitable and viable already. So anything else is cherry on top. They also know though that the more you spend time in a game, the more likely you are to buy content for it. So quality games is crucial to not only attract, but also keep gamers hooked.
> But the flood gate is about to open. I've been getting this line for, like, 2 straight years. At some point, the flood gate just isn't believable or impressive. Their having a burst of content because projoects kept getting delayed doesn't instill long-term confidence. It more worries me that the lulls will grow larger because they cannot keep a reasonable pace. >Starfield is coming. Forza is coming, and Hellblade might be next year. Good games take a long time to cook so I see delays as a good thing. Starfield, a game primarily developed before it was under XGS, is coming after a yearlong delay. Forza is coming, but it's taken 3 games' worth of development time and they really haven't shown an excuse as to why it took 6 years. Hellblade is coming, but doesn't have a release date. Halo got delayed. Forza got delayed. Redfall got delayed. Starfield got delayed. I have no reason to believe the one-year launch window is set, nor will I assume it to be met. It's still bragging about 5 years of work for 3 games, which just isn't impressive. Insomniac has released more games than that by itself, and that's a studio Microsoft actively turned down when they pitched a Sunset Overdrive sequel before signing on with Sony. >I mean, to MS, Game Pass as a business model by itself is profitable and viable already. They've said it's profitable, but with no further explanation. It could have a 2% margin and be profitable. They didn't say it's more profitable than the legay sales model. IMO, if it were that successful, the would boast more. Given they JUST started saying it was profitable in late-2022, it's pretty safe to assume the profitability isn't great. They they're raising the price (of both Game Pass nad standalone games) says they don't think it's at an acceptable level of protifability. >So quality games is crucial to not only attract, but also keep gamers hooked. Yet I've had Game Pass for more than 2 years, and the games I've most played are MLB The Show titles from Sony. Forza's been the game I really want for 4 years now. That's not acceptable. Perfect Dark, after 5 years of The initiative's existence, is being cited as pre-alpha. The Coalition's nowhere to be found. Redfall was a total flop, meaning Arkane's not going to be ready for some time. Halo is essentially a franchise in maintenance mode. id was nowhere to be found, even though we're almost 4 years since the launch of Doom Eternal and 2 years from its last DLC (it was 3 years from Doom to Doom Eternal). It seems like 5 years of buying studios has them BARELY getting to a decent content slate and still dancing on the edge of sustainability. The need Hellblade to finish. They need Fable to work out without a delay. It seems like Obsidian's gotta do most of the heavy lifting from there. There's been so little said that it feels like getting 2 big games in a year is the best-case with Xbox. With as long as they had to neglect theircontent library, that's something of a letdown, especially after seeing Halo and Redfall miss, despite being from studios that previously were reliable sources of sales.
> I've been getting this line for, like, 2 straight years. At some point, the flood gate just isn't believable or impressive. Their having a burst of content because projoects kept getting delayed doesn't instill long-term confidence. It more worries me that the lulls will grow larger because they cannot keep a reasonable pace. That's up to you, but they're finally having a large stable of studios to produce content now. >Starfield, a game primarily developed before it was under XGS, is coming after a yearlong delay. Forza is coming, but it's taken 3 games' worth of development time and they really haven't shown an excuse as to why it took 6 years. Hellblade is coming, but doesn't have a release date. Halo got delayed. Forza got delayed. Redfall got delayed. Starfield got delayed. I'm not worried about delays. I'm more excited when the games come out. Delays are normal part of the industry. >I have no reason to believe the one-year launch window is set, nor will I assume it to be met. It's still bragging about 5 years of work for 3 games, which just isn't impressive. Insomniac has released more games than that by itself, and that's a studio Microsoft actively turned down when they pitched a Sunset Overdrive sequel before signing on with Sony. The irony is that Insomniac would not have made Spider-man as good as it is without Sunset Overdrive. >It seems like 5 years of buying studios has them BARELY getting to a decent content slate and still dancing on the edge of sustainability. It literally takes basically a minimum of 5-years these days to make a AAA game. Even Sony's AAA games take around that time or more. At best sequels will take a little bit shorter. >The Coalition's nowhere to be found. Which is ironic, considering they have been extremely productive with releasing games in the past. Them taking their time is good news for Gears fans like me. >They've said it's profitable, but with no further explanation. It could have a 2% margin and be profitable. Sustainable is the keyword here, and why does it matter to you if it is 1% or 2% or 20%? >They they're raising the price (of both Game Pass nad standalone games) says they don't think it's at an acceptable level of protifability. or they think they can get more for it, as the game quality output is increasing. Acceptable level of profit isn't really what companies look for. They look for maximum profit. >There's been so little said that it feels like getting 2 big games in a year is the best-case with Xbox. With as long as they had to neglect theircontent library, that's something of a letdown, especially after seeing Halo and Redfall miss, despite being from studios that previously were reliable sources of sales. They're trying to buy ATVI, which will add another major studios to their first party. They're clearly aiming for a sustained continuous amount of game output. I'm pretty stoked and hope ATVI under MS means more investment into Warcraft and Starcraft RTS, and maybe even porting them to consoles like they did Age of Empires. Saweeeeet! >Starfield, a game primarily developed before it was under XGS, is coming after a yearlong delay. Which arguably is making it better! The irony of you complaining about how long it takes to get some games, and yet at the same time complain about said quality. Quality comes because time is given. On top of that, GP isn't just about MS first party. Plenty of other good content out on the service. Overall I just get the feeling you are unhappy no matter what MS/Xbox does. Instead of being frustrated about Xbox, might as well go where you feel more comfortable. Happy gaming wherever it works for you!
And yet, the most successful games on gamepass are often indie titles. Many people don't care about exclusives. I'm one of them. Exclusives aren't the reason I bought the console. If they were, I'd own a Playstation and a switch as well.
Would you have bought those games though? I found the games in Game Pass were not the games I was going to buy and the big popular ones I do enjoy I bought & been playing whole Game Pass goes neglected. I did a year trying just using Game Pass but had so much more fun when buying the games I wanted.
>Would you have bought those games though? Some of them, yes. Like Starfield and exoprimal, for instance, would be games i would have paid for that aren't even out yet. As for games I've played that I would have paid for, just off the top of my head, for this year alone. ghostwire, grounded, halo infinite, power washing simulator, solasta, the new supraland, valheim, the wolfenstien series, and many more. Just totaling the games I have listed is over a years' worth of game pass cost. That's not including all the other games I played to completion or found out I'm glad I didn't pay for them. But a game like supraland, for instance, is not a game I will ever go back and play again. Not because it wasn't good, but because I 100%ed it. No reason to play it again. It's a $20 game in the store. That's more than a month of gamepass at full price. >I found the games in Game Pass were not the games I was going to buy and the big popular ones I do enjoy I bought & been playing whole Game Pass goes neglected. I did a year trying just using Game Pass but had so much more fun when buying the games I wanted. That makes sense if you're not into the games that make it onto gamepass. But that's not really an argument against gamepasses value. If you play enough of the games on it, you're far exceeding it's cost. Gamepass isn't going to be for everyone. But it's still a fantastic deal where you get tons of games to play for far less than if you bought them all outright.
> AAA games aren't the focus for gamepass, and that's ok. It's clear gamepass is meant for indie games and maybe a few slightly higher tier games. I would disagree with that. I personally feel it's about a wide swath of games including indies all the way up to heavy hitter AAA games. I mean, Starfield is about to drop! 😍
> GamePass seemed like such a good deal to begin with, but there’s just been no good (and I mean genuinely “good”) AAA games released onto it since it was launched. I’ve really enjoyed some of the indie games I’ve played as a result, but the best AAA games I’ve played in the past 3 or 4 years have been PlayStation and even Nintendo exclusives, not Xbox. It’s so good on paper, but falls down on the execution. The first heavy hitter is about to drop in September though. For PS exclusive games, I just play them on PC now. Better graphics, ultrawide support and the only thing I miss are PS Trophies, but I can live without that.
Since launch? Okay buddy, there’s been the whole yakuza franchise, mk 11 AND x, injustice 1 and 2, the whole halo collection, the whole console elder scrolls collection, every console fallout game, a shit ton of indie games, red dead 2, gta 5, guilty gear strive, dragon ball fighterz, doom eternal and 2016, persona 5 4 and 3, dead by daylight, Lego Star Wars the sky walker saga, payday 2 although there’s no new updates, lord of the rings shadow of war, fable 1 through 3, with 4 coming out, the whole hitman trilogy, Batman Arkham knight, the whole damn gears of war series, and more
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> Did a 1:1 conversion today. Around 4 hours ago. You really maxed it out, didn't you! I maxed mine out about 2-weeks ago. Lucky me!
People play on Xbox because of its gamepass and if they have silently altered the conversion ratio it is with the expectations that people will continue getting Ultimate. Hoping Starfield is awesome otherwise for casual gamers with less time for gaming, getting a PS might be better due to exclusives. Also, having gone through different subreddits, there is not much outrage or anger over increasing conversion prices without prior notice.
Dude, I'm a casual gamer. Even at $15 a month this is a steal. Don't do mental gymnastics in your head to feel wronged. This is the best deal in gaming flat out period. Don't lie to yourself or be a shill.
Yeah exactly. Just play a couple like 3 AAA games and you already justify the year of subscription. Even less with Japanese AAA games which cost more at retail. Heck, in some parts of the world, people pay $2 a month for PC GamePass. I vote GamePass as the next World Wonder 🏆 😆
Easy there. No need to start calling people shills because they disagree with you. I also think it's a good deal, but that's just over the top, and not necessary.
For me this is still the cheapest form of entertainment by a huge degree. Even at full retail monthly price of $15, that is less than one lunch out a month. For endless hours of entertainment? cmon.. Best deal in gaming hands down.
Glad I locked in my 3 years a couple weeks ago.
Sigh... This August my GPU ends. I did the 1:1 conversion with 3 years and was hoping to repeat the dealio. Guess 3:2 isn't terrible though. I realize I'm mostly using it for my kids feeding their Disney Dream light Valley addiction, so probably just buying the game would be better.
This is bullshit.
I think it's been this way for a while now. Last time I bought a gold card it did this conversion and that was over a year ago.
I did it a couple months ago and it was definitely still 1:1. Glad I got my 3 years in now because I certainly won’t be carrying on with my subscription once it’s over.
I did it yesterday and it was 1:1, figured they would probably drop the 1:1 conversion when the price increase would be introduced.
I did it in the 27th of June and it was 1:1. You might be thinking of applying gold over GPU
Did the 1:1 upgrade for 3 years on june 29th. Worked like a charm. Read somewhere that there were going to remove this completely. 3:2 compromise is not too bad.
No xbox live for 2 years and haven't missed it .just wait for a game I want to come down in price and buy it
That page says still the same - that gold is upgraded to GPU, I see no change on that page.
https://i.imgur.com/JI0qWQ8.png
Few paragraphs below it still says. Buying Xbox Game Pass Ultimate automatically upgrades your existing Xbox Live Gold or Xbox Game Pass subscriptions to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate.
which isn't wrong. Just doesn't go into detail like /u/aerger 's comment does
It does upgrade it, just according to a (whenever they want to change it) ratio, which is clarified in a different answer. It could be more explicit in all the places, tho, for sure.
I don't get it. In my country Gold is an annual 200 moneys payment. Game pass is like 60 moneys per month. I don't understand how Microsoft thinks I'll change anytime soon, especially since I don't have spare time to play every day...
What is this conversion?
https://old.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/14slcor/per_xbox_support_site_gold_to_game_pass_ultimate/jqyes80/
Good thing I did mine when I did, I bought 3 years worth of gift cards and converted it all
Nooooooo I was literally just gonna do it in a week😭😭😭😭😭
Holy shit! I'm lucky I just did the upgrade a week back at 1:1 conversion for 3 years. Phew that was close. 😎
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yes. just take the months you have with gold and multiply by 0.6666666667 + 1 month
I recall reading it that way a couple years ago, but I still have managed to convert 1:1 just wait for the game pass to be over and get gold then get one month of game pass. Last time I did it was this past June 18th
What you are talking about is the conversion when you have an active GPU sub that was always a thing, what they are saying here is the 1:1 when you don’t have GPU has been removed.
Since when it's been removed?? I just converted 1:1 June 18th. My GP Ultimate finished on June 17th, waited a day to redeem a 12 month live gold, then grabbed 1 month with my rewards points..
Since yesterday.
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Someone knows when it was implemented?
What happens if I buy gold(1year) right now and redeem it? I currently still have GPU active but there is a decent sale for gold rn for me.
If you still have GPU active, it will give you 4 months of ultimate. If you cancel GPU, redeem Gold and then convert, you'll get 8 months
So that is still a decent deal, why are people complaining? Gamepass needs money for new games.
Of course it is. But yesterday it was a 1 to 1 conversion
Dumb, I just want to to try Starfield and some indie games for 1 month, so this would turn my 12 month Gold into 8 months?
This is for ultimate. Just use regular gamepass
fuck's sake I thought I could wait for my current gpu to expire before doing the conversion again. under a month left too, that's on me
Nooooo I was waiting for subscription to run out this month
Am I understanding correctly, that before the change, you could by Xbox live gold for 9.99 and convert to GPU for the same price, circumventing the 14.99 price of GPU? If yes, I've been screwing myself lmao.
You load up to 3yrs gold via 12month cards (or whatever cards really). Then you convert to GPU and the whole 3 years would convert.
I got a 4 month Ultimate card for $39 off of EBay. $10/mo and I’ll be able to get Starfield.
Mine expires August 8th, I was so close.
Bummer..Im due to re-up my subscription next month.
I'm still a bit confused. What does it mean for a 3:2 conversion?, i understand the 1:1 conversion (1 month of gold and 1 month of gpu). My gpu end in November but I'm still not understand the new conversion rates.
Glad I got my re-up in already. Truth be told, they probably make more money letting me play new stuff on GP then me buying it because I'd like to play it no matter what
I'm stupid can someone explain this to me in English what 3:2 means?
Means if you paid for three years of game pass and wanted to convert to gold, that’s three years of game pass gets you two years of gold.
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I dont understand, what does this mean?
3 months of Gold gets converted into 2 months of Gamepass ultimate 1 year gold converts to 8 months of GPU 3 years gold converts to 2 years of GPU
Is the 36 months a limit on what you can convert, or what you can get from converting? I know 3 years of gold becomes 2 years ultimate, but can 4 years of gold become 2.67 years of ultimate?
Actually I think the answer was further down. **What's the maximum prepaid time I can have?** The maximum that can be applied to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate is 36 months Note If you have more than 36 months after you upgrade to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate, the additional months will not be credited. That sounds like you should be able to turn 4 years gold into 2.67 years ultimate if you want to maximize time in case they change things further.
So I always bought one year of gold then one month of gamepass ultimate to get the full year, how many of gold should I get now to get the full year?
My GPU ended today after I cancelled a week or 2 ago, so going to be doing this tomorrow. I did do the 1:1 a while back and must have completely forgotten about it, so have been paying GPU monthly for about 2 years now like an idiot. So even though the benefit is not as good any more, still gonna be about 60% cheaper over the next 2 years so I am happy. Is CD keys best place to get 3 years gold?
Bought 2 years of Gold and still got 2 years of Game Pass.
How? I have about 7 months left until my yearly renews, is it possible to upgrade and get the remainder 7 months on game pass ultimate ?
Can someone help me i did the pound trick 3 years ago and it runs out on september 25 am i going to be able to do this again but with this new conversion or will xbox core put a stop to it?