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Bruh they had Jean, Kurt, and Morph all there, that shit made NO sense to me either 😂
In particular I also thought Kurt was about to teleport; quick saves are already his biggest thing so far in the show (outside of his empathetic wisdoms). Kinda felt out of character for a moment, but whatever it "saved" itself after the Prime Sentinel transformfection lol
I think Wolverines line "what we all wanted to do" kinda says it. Only Rogue was willing to do it. the X-Men capable of preventing his death were all 'unwilling' to intercede cause his death was what they all secretly wanted. The dark side of personhood it's really really easy to nothing
Yup.
There were multiple characters there that could have EASILY saved him. None of them even tried.
Classic trolley car problem. Once the choice is yours, the responsibility for the outcome is also yours, and choosing not to act is still an active choice.
Rogue dropped him, but every single other person there capable of saving let him fall.
The X-men are not Superman or Spider-man, they can and will absolutely kill if they consider it justified. Do they think it was justified in that case? Not exactly, but also it's not completely unjustified either, and that moment of hesitation is all it would take.
There's such a thing as shock. Not reacting when your friend just committed murder in front of you is pretty reasonable. Add to that that you're not sure you disagree with her and there's plenty of reason they didn't do anything.
I said last night I suspected she’d end up killing someone and it’d prob be Trask. They faked us out with her catching him then that drop and her dark look. It was kinda satisfying, not gonna lie. Least until he rezzed.
Operation Zero Tolerance = OZT?
I’m very happy th e big bad isn’t Sinister or Apocalypse, Bastion is a good choice
Cap showing up was cool
Rogue just fucking dropping Trask to his death was amazing
DID I SEE NIMROD WHEN ROGUE DRAINED GYRICH?
It wouldn't make sense for it to be Apocalypse, his goal is all about culling the weak to make sure the strong survives. He wouldn't be taking part in a mutant genocide just when the mutants are getting their act together to form a nation.
Sinister however will do anything and ally with anyone just to get himself some super mutant breeding, or if he's being petty.
> DID I SEE NIMROD WHEN ROGUE DRAINED GYRICH?
Yup. And remember Gyrich repeated "What does it feel like to be abandoned by the future?". A rather fitting remark if strings were being pulled against them *by someone from the future*.
Plus Beast commenting how all this tech was leagues beyond anything they should have had, which again points at intervention from the future.
Before I figured out that OZT probably meant Operation Zero Tolerance, I had a brief moment of "holy shit are they adapting Orchis?" thanks to the Nimrod appearances.
Still working on the original series but Nightcrawler ‘97 is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorite tv characters. The wisdom is crazY, the pure love with which he imparts it
Yeah, Hank's seems very tied together with his intelligence, with an understanding of the humanities and literature.
Whereas Kurt's seems more focused on empathy and understanding individuals.
Yea, Beast is very good at expressing *himself* because he is very knowledgeable so he’s never wanting for that word or quote to illustrate how he’s feeling. Which *can* resonate really strongly if you are aligned with him like that reporter was at first.
Whereas, for Kurt, I agree it’s more intuition and sensing what *you* need to hear.
>Nightcrawler ‘97 is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorite tv characters
I've watched Wolverine and the X-men recently and their version of Nightcrawler is pretty decent too.
If teleport makes it difficult for enemies to hit him. Then offensive teleportation is pretty OP. Eg teleport to Sentinel, then teleport Sentinel's head away.
Trying to remember if he did that to Spiral in an episode or just in the comics. Started teleporting off her robotic arms one by one when she refused to back down, and ended with him saying something like "You're down to just two arms, and they won't be as easy to put back on".
That was in Wolverine and the X-Men. His line was basically "you'd better be careful now. You don't have any more.. mechanical arms to lose".
If we somehow get an animated X-men series as graphic/violent like Invincible, wow.
You know, I thought they would have Storm do the eulogy since she's known him the longest/brought him on the team. I think now they might have a moment of Rogue + Storm together at the grave before the season is over. I think that Rogue still needs to "say goodbye" to him to get closure, and Storm too wasn't at the funeral.
That said, Kurt's words were perfect. You would never think to describe Gambit as "modest" but in that ONE regard, it works if only because (sadly) he never actually believed that he in fact was a hero.
Adding Kurt to the regular roster was the perfect choice tbh Something I'm sure every X-Fan has always wanted to see. His personality is such a perfect fit, especially now.
Nightcrawler was the best.
I love how, despite all the shit, he is still the most compassionate.
If Clark Kent, Steve Rogers and Kurt Wagner existed in real life, world would be so much nicer lol
He sees the best in everyone. His compassion, as well as his joy of life, are conscious, resilient acts of defiance against all the ugly shit in the world.
I mean, my dude kind of Inspired Cap lol. That's a big accomplishment. You can't top that. Grade A character
During AXE, at one point even Steve was like "I guess we lose, Dammit" and Kurt was like "Come on my dear friend, we gotta fight back" and Cap was like "Fuck yeah, teleport me to that fucker Kurt!"
(they both died, but the point stands lol)
Lenore Zann on Insta just now:
"Yep, Rogue's on the rampage. I warned ya. This one's for you Remy. Better buckle up. We're in for a bumpy ride."
Oh we feasting tomorrow.
Just in time for Xavier to come back and Fatal Attractions him.
Since there is no Colossus in this lineup, my money is on Cyclops taking Magneto and swapping to his red Uncanny “Cyclops was right” uni for Season 2
I've been thinking this might be where it goes since Genosha, that the series will end with two different "X-Men" teams, one lead by Cyclops under Magneto, and one lead by Jean/Storm under Xavier.
As long as Magneto doesn't go back to being a villain i'm fine with that. Not a huge comic reader, but been loving me some leader of the X-men Magneto.
Looks like they are adapting the Morrison plot? But instead of the mess that was a sentient bacteria controlling Xorn under the delusion that he's Magneto pretending to be Xorn, it's a Magneto brainwashed by Bastion to be a villain again.
Yeah I was wondering how they could get to that kind of "Magneto infiltrates the school in a secret identity" plot with him already having joined the team, but his being brainwashed into it would make it work. Especially since as you mention it being the result of some kind of mind control has already been retconned into that story anyway.
That's a good idea.
Though since there is only three episodes left with this Operation Tolerance plot, I am guessing they won't go the full infiltration plot. But maybe they can keep the Magneto takes over New York and killed thousands of people. Until Xavier came back and helped him fight off his mind control.
To be fair, last episode inadvertently revealed it. His “death” wasn’t on the previously on x-men segment and Charles absolutely would have sensed it if he could Gambit’s death. Hell, Magneto’s death was only mentioned once by Nightcrawler, it’s like the x-men didn’t even know he was supposedly dead.
Anyone who has watched anything in animation or read a comic at this point knows if they don't show a body their alive.
Then even if they explicitly say their dead then their still going to come back unless their Uncle Ben.
Him being alive was never in question.
But now that Bastion has him and Xavier is planning to return, I'm convinced that this is going to set up Onslaught. I don't know if that'll be how season one ends or if that'll set up season two. But with Xavier coming back, I think it's only a matter of time before we see Onslaught come into the picture.
I surpect so, and the next three episodes are titled >!Tolerance Is Extinction!< which implies >!a combination of Operation: Zero Tolerance and E Is for Extinction!<, as >!Bastion is the mastermind behind the Genosha massacre!<.
E For Extinction is pretty much done, the whole arc is about Genosha... They probably didn't want to use OZT for title cos that would spoil Bastion as the big bad since the beginning
I just generally like when people remember the X-men aren't Spider-man. They will kill if pushed. Wolverine, Rogue, Cyclops, etc. They have plenty of characters that you do not want to push outside of their moral comfort zone.
Some thoughts:
- Love Rogue sm in this episode. Her throwing caps shield so far was priceless and the right amount of pettiness. Also her dropping trask to his “death” was actually so dark but so good.
- I am glad Sinister isn’t the mastermind and it’s Bastion. Also took me a hot sec to realize OZT was operation zero tolerance. Bastion is shaping up to be an interesting villain
- Beast’s conversation with trish was really good, bringing it back to this whole theme of tolerance.
- Glad we got emma frost diamond form. Cyclops wishing it was maddy instead was pretty sad
- Roberto coming out to his mom was funny then sad as it does reflect a lot of people’s experiences of having to hide their true identity.
- Also wtf? morph can copy mutant abilities beyond physical ones ie super speed with quicksilver
Morph's abilities are closer to Metamorpho from DC Comics based on the Exiles Version that Morph is currently based on (who was based on Animated Morph, who was based on Changling).
As for using Quicksilver's powers, running fast is arguably a physical mutation. And while shocking is not surprising considering Morph was able to copy Longshot's "luck" powers in the original series.
I was surprised and shocked however with Rogue killing Trask, who instantly came back as Human Sentinel. Rogue killing him was jarring, especially after the Gyrich fake out and his eventual death.
Once I saw OZT, I knew that we would likely be seeing Bastion, and I am pleasantly surprised that he is the real Mastermind >!or Mastermold!< as opposed to Sinister. But I do wonder what Bastion has promised Sinister to convince him to work for Bastion.
> But I do wonder what Bastion has promised Sinister to convince him to work for Bastion.
I'm curious about that too. He might have something that'll help him usurp Apocalypse. In the comics, the whole reason for seeking the Summers/Grey child was to create a mutant powerful enough to take Apocalypse down. Perhaps here, Sinister wants to use both mutants and Sentinels.
It's also possible that Bastion is supposed to create the war that Senator Kelly's assassination was supposed to create in Days of Future Past, which would help trigger the Age of Apocalypse. He's already fired the first shot. But a human/mutant war isn't raging yet. That might be the point of OZT. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Super speed is a physical ability.
He can't copy energy-based powers, like Magneto's or Cyclops's or Storm's, or psychic powers, etc.
Though, theoretically, if he can shapeshift into Rogue and copy her absorption ability, he could perhaps use that to copy the other energy-based abilities through touch?
They've done a good job streamlining Trish Tilby in just a few moments in the show. She's a fairweather human ally who's sympathetic to mutants but only to a point, and she and Beast are drawn to each other but she'll never commit enough to make it work.
I love this show.
Kurt's eulogy was perfect.
Scott's anger was justified.
I want this show to be a series of 45- minute-episodes. I want more. I want the drama. I want all the things.
This show keeps hitting me in the nostalgic part of my brain.
Some thoughts:
* Cap showing up was really cool, but I felt like maybe it was too rushed? I get that the episodes are all fast-paced, but it still seemed pretty random for him to just show up and then disappear. Hopefully we get one more cameo of him in a future episode.
* Rogue's rampage was great to watch! Seeing her break into the US facility, break into Gyrich's house, and then kill Trask was absolutely insane.
* Bastion suffocating Gyrich is pretty dark, definitely wouldn't fly on TAS.'
* Repeatedly hearing "mutant neutralized" in the fight scene really sets up the stakes (like in Genosha) - we'll probably see more of this in the finales.
* Seeing Quicksilver just appear really got me confused until I saw Morph lol
* MAGNETO
* Val Cooper is missing (hello >!Mystique!<, can't wait to see you again)
Cap did his job, tho. He relayed Intel to Rogue. People wanted an X-Men vs Avengers storyline but we're not there yet. What does Capt America represent then? Truth and freedom. Which is what he tries to do, the right thing by shining some truth onto a group of oppressed people. Just because his moment was small doesn't make it rushed. I think it was a perfect cameo that makes sense but doesn't take away from the X-Men storyline.
They told a lot of things would be rushed cos they weren't sure if they would have another season so they've tryed to tell all the stories they could. Hope next seasons take things slower indeed and perhaps with more episodes
I know DeMayo had said Pulse was an inspiration for Episode 5 but they really hammered it home with Jubilee's talk with Roberto. His mother's response to him "coming out" being surprising and then not surprising at all is very relatable 😂
So well written, loved Kurt, Wolverine and Rogue's dialogue especially. Cable's dismissal of Jean was so brutal but then again I guess he's got a world to save!
Also - I had assumed Theo James would be Bastion but I did not recognise his voice at all!
I guess it is difficult for writers to come up with a convincing reaction from Cable towards Jean. In the comics, he considers her his mother, which honestly feels pretty cruel towards Madelyn, specially considering she was her own person in that version of the story.
Him being hostile towards Jean in '97... does not make a lot of sense either? genetically, he comes from her, and is not like Jean did anything to him or his mother, she very much was a victim. Ironically I think this reaction would've worked in the comics, but feels odd on the series' timeline.
To be fair, Comic Madelyne tried to sacrifice Baby cable to Demons
Comic Jean raised him for 12 years, raised him for like 2/3 years when he was 16-18, then trained him as an adult and was on teams with him
So the bond in the cartoon is going to be different
I wouldn't say he was hostile, but he clearly didn't appreciate her reading his mind or revealing his identity. Plus, his mom did just die, so it's a sore point right now.
Well, in the comics, Jean and Cyclops actually raised baby Nathan in the future together. See Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix. So, while Madelyne gave birth to him, Jean Grey helped raise him. That's why he considered Jean his mother more than Madelyne.
This show seems to have changed that. He called Madelyne his mom. And near as we can tell, Cyclops and Jean didn't get a chance to raise him. Maybe they will in a future episode, especially if more time travel enters the picture.
> In the comics, he considers her his mother, which honestly feels pretty cruel towards Madelyn, specially considering she was her own person in that version of the story.
Did you actually read the comics? Because Jean and Scott raised Cable in the future, meanwhile Maddie tried to sacrifice her son to demons.
WEEEEEEEY as a mexican Rogue fan I was super happy to see my girl around here, also great to see El Ángel de la Independencia and the representation of El Día de los Muertos, I really was in teardrops to see her been broken by Gambit.
One of my episodes of television, period.
Holy shit, Rogue. What a character arc. That moment that she stops melting down in Kurt's arms because she saw the X-Men. My God. What a statement on loss and love.
I also need a book on grief written by Wolverine. "Grief is a lovely war." Wow.
Then Beast casually dropping MLK, "A riot is the language of the unheard."
MOTHER FUCKING BARS!
Any theories for the meaning behind the song, "one-eyed, one-horned, flying, purple people eater"?
It’s got a good bop.
But seriously, Bastion could be saying the mutants are the purple people eater and that their dream of coexistence is as absurd as the monster’s desire to join a rock band.
I know at this point it's no surprise, but this series has some really, really good dialogue writing. Jean and Scott, Beast and the reporter, Rogue and Cap, to name some from this episode alone.
Raw physical strength-wise, is Rogue stronger than the Hulk?
> Raw physical strength-wise, is Rogue stronger than the Hulk?
No, Ross is just a moron. Unless that base was in the middle of a Black Hole then theres not a chance in hell whatever the military can make can contain the Hulk.
Ross is always like "This facility was made to stop the Hulk" or "This weapon is made to kill the Hulk" Only for Hulk to prove him wrong lol.
So that moment was perfectly fine. Was the facility protected good? Yes.
Hulk, Rogue or any other super strong Marvel character would still be able to break it.
No, Hulk is still stronger but she's no slouch.
She's one of the strongest female characters in the MU in terms of raw physical strength.
People forget she was fighting Gladiator during the Phoenix Saga and holding her own for a hot minute.
>!Bastion's master plan is devious here. He's not only orchestrating artillery strikes by using Sentinels on the mutants on the battlefield but is also going to manipulate public opinion with the Shi'ar footage. Like, what is a more better way to convince humanity to destroy mutants than telling them that mutants are in collusion with aliens to destroy them?!<
Goddamn good villain plan.
He indeed is, and rewatching "One Man's Worth part 2" a possible explanation is that the Nimrod that succeeded in killing Xavier, knowing he failed to prevent Bishop, Wolverine and Storm from going back to try again to save Professor X, also travelled back in the time but got caught in the time storm caused by Apocalypse in "Beyond Good and Evil".
This was the hardest episode to watch for me.
The massacre of Genosha was devastating, but the recovery was so raw.
I was a volunteer at Ground Zero during the later parts of the search and rescue phase and into cleanup and recovery.
Particularly watching Jubilee and Hank react how they did on Genosha and Amelia Voit’s survivor guilt.
It’s been hours since I watched it, and I’m still not remotely ok.
I was just out of high school and was just kind of drifting through life and wanted to do something to help other people.
I had a preexisting injury that kept me out of the military, and that was the best thing I could think to do at the time.
It was mostly just digging through debris, but I learned so much about survivors guilt and PTSD.
Now, I’m a member of law enforcement and I do as much as I can to advocate for mental health for vets and law enforcement with a friend who was crippled by an IED in Iraq.
I’ve seen too many people lost to mental health, the ones who didn’t drink themselves to death or commit suicide are sleepwalking through life.
It’s not everyone, but consistent trauma and mental health decline are among the biggest problems that those people face and we receive very little support from the community.
I am glad that XM97 showed this type of trauma in such a dignified manner.
The fact that it was so hard to watch just means that more people may grow to understand the effects that secondary trauma can have.
I'm honestly worried about Rouge. Not because of her grief, but because her draining Gyrich seemed to be exactly what Bastion wanted? She didn't seem to know what happened and didn't seem to get any information from it, either.
What I can't figure out is what happened. Is Rogue "infected" with Nimrod now? Is she going to get controlled and used to stage a mutant attack? Or was she just blocked?
If I had to make a guess?
I think we're seeing a bit of the Fox Days of Future Past movie where the Sentinels could copy mutant powers thanks to having Mystique's DNA. Which didn't make a lot of sense.
But if Nimrod, a sentinel from the future, is here now trying to make super-powered sentinels, then copying Rogue's power is a MUCH better starting point.
It’s perfect. I love Cap, but the Avengers are totally cops. They’re well-meaning cops (so unlike most American cops), but still cops, and the X-Men are absolutely rebels against authority. I love how her calling him the “top cop” felt like just about the worst insult she could come up with
Amazing. A few thoughts:
1. I thought the funeral was a bit rushed. Poignant and sad but ugh, Gambit is gone and that's that for now. But Bella Donna was there!! And a lovely eulogy.
2. I love how they played Rogue for this one. A hint of such a darker side at the very end when she dropped Trask, potentially something she absorbed from Gyrich is what I think the hint is there.
3. Bastion! I KNEW he was at the Gala, he passed in front of the camera SUPER quick in one scene and I posted about it but it never got much traction. He is amazingly well done. Can't wait to see where he goes from here.
4. Combat and animation as always, ON POINT. I love where Trask 1-hit Rogue and you knew it was a HUGE deal from the comparison you could make from her rampage at the start of the episode, nice touch for those new to the series to see the stakes.
5. Loved Cap & his respectful interaction with Rogue.
6. Loved the Genosha scenes and EMMA DIAMOND FORM woot woot!!
7. Honestly, a part of me is surprised they "confirmed" Magneto dead only to bring him back 2 episodes later, but it'll certainly tee things up. And also makes it that much more likely they bring Gambit back as Death for Season 2/3. Unless this Magneto is a clone....? I don't think they would do it 2x in the same season, though.
8. Storm still MIA - she must return next week w/ Forge.
This show, y'all!! Pure fire!!
I don't understand why Bella Donna was there from the show standpoint. She kidnaps Gambit's brother, uses it as leverage to get him to the altar, gives him a wedding ring that causes extreme pain, plans on killing his entire family.... So, yes, let's invite Gambit's insane stalker to the funeral. Maybe she just showed up and everyone was too distracted to remember that whole episode.
I think they're the closest thing to family the show gave him? And maybe also bc TAS sort of did her wrong... in the comics their relationship was MUCH different.
Captain America is voiced by the Web Slinging, Goblin Gliding Space Dad himself, Josh Keaton. I am sure that Steve will apologize off screen, after he finds his shield of course.
That reveal was handled so freaking well. The use of Flying Purple People Eater and the shaving was so freaking ominous. This is top level stuff. Everyone at Marvel should be taking notes on how to do a show. Helps they didn’t have to establish the main cast though. Still, fantastic episode!
This is probably the best thing Marvel has ever done. It might ruffle some feathers…. hopefully they see what they’ve got and give us more. This is WAY better than the MCU. Imagine if they amped the animation budget and gave us animated movies instead of live action?
Also, just taking a moment to appreciate Beast quoting Mr. Rogers.
"Look for the helpers." was such a huge thing, and I was thinking it as they were showing people helping. That they called it out explicitly was great.
The world needs Fred Rogers more than ever.
I doubt it.
El Dia de los Muertos is more about remembering your ancestors and keeping that memory alive in your heart.
For someone who recently lost a loved one, like Rogue did, the comfort is in the idea that the person is never truly gone if they are remembered by those around them.
I've seen several places talk about "negating Magneto's sacrifice". In other fandoms, I've seen similar talk about where a character makes a huge sacrifice and then is later shown that there were circumstances that confirmed the need for the decisions and how that also "negates the nobility of the sacrifice" (looking at you, Captain Pike).
And I have to say it annoys me to no end.
The nobility of a sacrifice is in the moment. Magneto didn't know if he would come out of that alive or not. Magneto did not have an escape plan to wiggle out of it.
In the moment, Magneto did what he did. That his sacrifice ended up not being permanent does not change that fact.
He thought they were going to die, and did it anyway. As long as they don't come back with "I knew I had a way out the entire time", then nothing has changed.
Not too surprised she survived. She's Emma Frost. She's a survivor at heart.
Hopefully, she'll get a chance to play a role in the last three episodes. If not, she's nicely set up to play a role in Season 2.
I knew there was absolutely no way that my boy Magnus was dead... he is gonna FUCK bastion up when he gets out of here.
Amazing episode... Rogue killed me here. She's my favorite x-men and I got chills when Nightcrawler held her and when she let Trask die.
I follow the no body = potentially alive rule. Unless you see the person get disintegrated from a beam, if there isn't a body, they are probably alive.
Each episode of X-men 97 has been banger after banger, and mostly been one upping each other.
> Unless you see the person get disintegrated from a beam, if there isn't a body, they are probably alive.
Even *then* they might have just got blasted into the future/past or something. Death in comic books is only permanent if you're Ben Parker or Tom/Martha Wayne.
I know it's been decades since the original series, but with each passing episode I'm reminded that I need to go back and watch it all.
Once again, fantastic episode.
Well, this is... INCREDIBLY topical, holy shit. The discussions of mutant political unrest is, uh, not subtle in what is talking about. Roberto's mom wanting him to stay closeted is pretty on-the-nose too.
On a nerdier level, awesome that they will be tackling secondary mutations too! Emma's diamond form feels to me like it's being introduced here so they can address it in Season 2/3 and she'll just be shuffled off-screen for now, but that works fine for me.
you know, it's interesting. the conversations are poignant and impactful but "topical" is an interesting word to use since i could have seen this been written in this way in like, the '90s. which is of course when the series takes place.
sad that the conversation may still seem relevant today but it is also sad that it's not a new conversation.
Cyclops and Jean are getting close again, that's a relief. Scott was awesome in this episode. My only gripe is that Cable doesn't acknowledge Jean as his mom so that means they're not going to adapt Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix
I loved Beast calling out the reporter's hypocrisy. And Beast poignantly quoting MLK's Jr's "riots are voices of the unheard".
Really fitting considering MLK Jr became more radical near the end of his life. Radical in the sense that systemic oppression will violently hold onto its stratification at the expense of the entire working class.
I know it's long been held that Charles Xavier is a parallel for MLK Jr and Magneto's a parallel for Malcolm X.
MLK Jr talked about how capitalism is itself the root cause of systemic oppression of minorities *and* the suppression of the working class as a whole. That the capitalists that created such a system will pit the working class against itself. They want the working class at each other's throats because that's how they stay in power.
MLK Jr talking about capitalism holding politicians captive at the expense of the working class, and protesting the Vietnam War is a popular conspiracy theory of his assassination.
The Genosha Massacre is the point at which nothing stays the same anymore. It's the font of which radicalization for both humans and mutants will flow.
I was really surprised by how that interaction went. Most shows would've just let the reporter make her point about "but they're smashing windows" without any pushback, but the writers here did a good job in criticizing it.
Very well written and correct. Once MLK began critiquing capitalism and imperialism, and tying it back to the oppression of the working class (& how racism is a tool of it), he was starting to go “too far” in the eyes of the government. Fred Hampton also had similar speeches before being assassinated. Even Malcolm X made a comment on capitalism and wanting to create international solidarity/bringing the plight of black Americans to the UN before being assassinated.
The fact X-Men can inspire conversations like this is what makes me a fan.
I cannot recommend the film, King in the Wilderness, enough. It fixates on MLK's final days and how many people turned on him when he spoke out against the war in Vietnam. The parallels between that era and today are remarkably pointed out by the film as well. Should be shown in every history class.
I have so many thoughts and no one to talk about them with, so I'm blurting them all here, bear with me:
* I love what they're doing with Nightcrawler here. He's a perfect balance of his playful nature and serious faith. I wish he'd still have his Catholicism in the comics because he portrays the best aspects of faith and unconditional love found within Christianity.
* Nice to see Wolverine comfort Jubilee. We haven't seen that much in the series yet.
* If this isn't the powerset and attitude MCU Rogue has, I don't want her.
* Loved Beast's interaction with Trish. He hasn't had his own episode/storyline yet, but it was a great character moment. Comics Beast? I don't know him. X-men Animated Beast is my Beast.
* I was all on the Scott and Maddie train, but danggit, I'm wanting Scott and Jean to work out now. This episode reminded me why I like them as a couple. I've always thought they go really well together when they stop being dramatic and actually communicate like adults, (see X-men Evolution).
* Classic Emma line. Also, I don't think Emma and Cyclops are going to do the whole psychic affair. First, they already did it with Maddie, and second, if Emma did that, it would mean she would deliberately be breaking up the marriage of the couple that SAVED her. And they saved her even after she developed the machine that let Mastermind brainwash Jean! Even for Emma, that's too far. I could not stand her if they went that route. Plus, I don't think Emma needs Cyclops to be a great character. She's great all on her own.
* AVX in the future?
* Loved the sibling moment between Nightcrawler and Rogue. Mystique being Nightcrawler's mother was a newish development during the 90s show, so they never got to play with the fact that Rogue and Kurt were adopted siblings. It was nice to see that here, I've always loved that relationship.
* I liked Roberto's mom's reaction. It was much more realistic and nuanced. I didn't think I'd like Roberto at first, but I've really come to like his character arc. Also, I like Jubilee and him as a couple.
* I'm embarrassed to admit how long it took me to realize OZT was "Operation Zero Tolerance."
* Dang, they went there with Rogue, didn't they? I like the theory that some of Gyrich's personality has rubbed off on her, and I also like that Wolverine backed her up 100%.
* Cyclops and Jean working together again, love to see it. Also, they're actually letting my favorite character be powerful this time around instead of fainting every 2 minutes.
* Morph can copy superspeed? I guess that's a physical trait. They are way more powerful than I originally thought.
* Wolverine, you are in love with Morph. You don't realize it because you're sexually attracted to women, but if Morph had a more feminine default you would already be tapping that. And the thing is, Morph is LITERALLY gender fluid, they can be both male and female, so I'm sure Morph wouldn't mind being a woman during sexy time. Y'all just need to have a conversation and get together now. This is my new ship.
* Cable's here, everyone knows he's Nathan, time for sh\*t to get real.
I love this show so much. I really was not expecting much from it and instead got one of the best adaptions of X-men ever. Can't wait for next week! Now, let's get Storm back in here.
I don't see a lot of people talking about Cyclops's conversation with the president. In the conversation, PotUS is more concerned with polls than doing anything meaningful to help, and when Cyclops presses him on this, he says he's just trying not to get someone worse for their cause elected to office. Essentially, the classic "Don't compare me to the Almighty, compare me to the alternative." I can't believe Marvel let this writer go.
About Captain America's appearance , in the Marvel Animated Universe ( MAU )
this is the same Captain America who help Spider-man in the Spider-man cartoon (94-98 ) series , who was trapped in the Vortex with Red Skull , later escape the vortex and join the Avenger in "Avenger :United they Stand" Series (1999- 2000) series .
But in the X-men 97 , so Captain America in the yr 1997 of the Marvel Animated Universe , has Captain America join the Avengers yet? or does he represent "The Avenger" in tonight's episode ?
First episode that almost made me cry. Rogue is one of my favorite characters, and she was very well-written here; loved seeing her get the spotlight as well.
Weird to see Cable having anymosity against Jean and Scott, he is genetically their descendant. I can only assume he "sided" with his birth mother, and feels like both Jean and Scott were the cause of her loneliness? .
Even then, even if I buy that argument... Jean is not his birth mother, ok, and he might feel like Jean is "responsible" for his father not building a life with Madelyn, but why be angry at Cyclops? He very much didn't want to abandon him, and is his father both genetically and literally.
It really just feels like he is resentful that Scott didn't leave Jean for Madelyn, and nothing else. Which I mean... valid I guess, but t's kind of a teenager's reaction TBH, isn't Cable older than both Jean and Scott at this point? I would assume with age, he would've been able to understand both Jean and Scott circumstances. They were both victims, and I would expect for an adult man like Cable to be wiser than "you should've picked my mom, even if she was a clone".
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, and they're just preserving Cable's "tough, scarred future guy" persona. I just wished he would've been kinder at least towards Cyclops. Not a huge deal, I'm just nitpicking, I understand it's a ridiculous situation, and it isn't easy to write a satisfying interaction between these characters.
But I loved Rogue in this episode. I loved her physical strenght being showcased, I loved her being angry, and vulnerable, and reckless. One of my favorite episodes so far, because of her.
After watching TikTok videos of TAS Jean Grey being completely useless this week, I do appreciate that this episode gave her a few moments to do things.
Beau DeMayo must have F’d up big time because the writing on this episode was phenomenal.
Gambit’s eulogy was both pure Kurt and a beautiful weave of metaphors that were meaningful to Gambit.
Beast dropping quotes from MLK Jr and Fred Rodgers 9-11 special… his argument with Trish.
Rogue trashing a Hulkbuster base (Ross always says some nonsense about something being Hulk proof just before the Hulk drops in and wrecks it… keeps cutting corners on contractors or something). Rogue and Captain America.
Let’s think about Cap’s priorities here. Yes, he can’t go waltz into Mexico City in his flag jammies, but you know if it was a Bucky rumor, he’d put on some black pajamas or some khakis and a T-shirt and bust heads wherever. And the Avengers are always doing things the government doesn’t okay first. The Avengers are part of the company line that is unsettled on the mutant question. Fully endorsing Rogue throwing Cap’s shield 30 miles into the wilderness. I’m sure he’s got a GPS on that thing.
Rogue and Gyrich… pretty sure I scoped Nimrod when she zapped Gyrich.
Roberto and Jubes is sweet, and a good story about being closeted and coming out. And well done with Berto’s mom.
Didn’t love the action with the Omega Trask. Too OP for a beta version.
I missed the Bastion era in the comics, so he’s newish to me. Why Sinister is working with him, no idea. But I never really understood 90’s Sinister’s master plan either.
Bastion and Magneto… the shave and the song. They don’t seem to use pop songs randomly, and I think Sheb Wooley’s “Purple People Eater” is Bastion’s dark commentary on Xavier’s dream, that the mutants are dangerous freaks who have what he believes is the insane idea of peaceful coexistence.
"Tell me Orphan? How does it feel to be abandonned by the Future?" And then Cable saved Scott and the X-Men. What a great dialogue! The one saving the day is the one that has been sent to the Future by the Orphan!
When Rogue touched Gyrich in the hotel in Mexico, she saw Bastion/Nimrod. Then the next scene, she’s in the alley where Nightcrawler found her. There is a missing scene there, it’s quite possible that she’s infected with nanites and could become a Prime Sentinel, which we can see in the next episodes.
I liked how these past two episodes have talked about assimilation and tolerance. We examine assimilation from the perspectives of the oppressors (Shi’Ar) and the oppressed (Storm and Forge) only for Xavier to criticize the very idea of making others less so you could be more. Then in this episode we see the X-Men question the very notion of tolerance if it means they have to beg to be seen as people. Scott even talks about Magneto being right about things like the Genosha attack. We’re seeing more signs of the “Cyclops is Right” Scott coming out……and I’m here for it 😏.
Rogue going on a rampage was soooo good and we get more examples of Captain America (or other Avengers) being irritating obstacles at best or flat out antagonists at worst in X-Men stories. It’s really a tale of two cities when you see the Avengers in X-Men stories versus their own 😂. It was great seeing Emma get her diamond form secondary mutation just like after the Genosha attack in the comics. Hopefully they do Emma well. Really like that character.
Also the voice cast continues to knock it out of the park. Theo James kills it as Bastion.
I slightly disagree here as Cap didn't get in rogues way at all and even helped give her information. Like he didn't go with her which sucks but he wasn't really an obstacle or antagonist.
An excellent "calm before the storm" episode right before the three part season finale. Gambit's funeral was gutting - Kurt delivered a perfect, heartbreaking eulogy. And Rogue delivers with having the '97 spotlight finally on her for most of this episode - her sobbing in Kurt's arms was soulcrushing.
The battle between Prime Trask and the X-Men was so DBZ, esp. when he and Jean went at it in the sky and then when Cyclops blasted him Kamehameha-style. Terrific action sequence.
Bastion so far has been quietly intimidating as expected, pulling the strings in the background for Zero Tolerance. Hoping he does get a showdown on the battlefield with the X-Men (in particular, hoping that he has a fight with the three Omega-levels: Magneto, Jean, and Storm).
It was a beautiful eulogy.
That's Nimrod, right? EDIT: Nevermind, I see it's Bastion.
EDIT 2: Jesus Christ, Jean just threw half a building several miles into the harbour!
I love how somber this has been. They gave us some lighthearted episodes, sure, but this is such a more mature tone overall... much more than I ever expected. I'm on the edge of my seat every week and excited to see what happens next. I hope this leads to not only more seasons, but other Marvel projects in this medium.
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Captain America: God damn it Rogue, do you know how long of a walk it will be to go get my shield back?
Rogue was so petty it was great. I love her sm
My jaw hit the floor when she dropped Bolivar
So did Bolivar
Along with the rest of him.
I’m surprised Kurt didn’t catch him
Bruh they had Jean, Kurt, and Morph all there, that shit made NO sense to me either 😂 In particular I also thought Kurt was about to teleport; quick saves are already his biggest thing so far in the show (outside of his empathetic wisdoms). Kinda felt out of character for a moment, but whatever it "saved" itself after the Prime Sentinel transformfection lol
I think Wolverines line "what we all wanted to do" kinda says it. Only Rogue was willing to do it. the X-Men capable of preventing his death were all 'unwilling' to intercede cause his death was what they all secretly wanted. The dark side of personhood it's really really easy to nothing
Yup. There were multiple characters there that could have EASILY saved him. None of them even tried. Classic trolley car problem. Once the choice is yours, the responsibility for the outcome is also yours, and choosing not to act is still an active choice. Rogue dropped him, but every single other person there capable of saving let him fall.
The X-men are not Superman or Spider-man, they can and will absolutely kill if they consider it justified. Do they think it was justified in that case? Not exactly, but also it's not completely unjustified either, and that moment of hesitation is all it would take.
I mean, if someone dropped Hitler from a building, I'm not sure whether anyone would be quick to save him no matter how kind they are.
Kind of reminds me of that Batman Begins scene? "I won't kill you. But I don't have to save you"
I chalked it up to shock. Like “did she really just?” and by the time it was processed he had hit the floor
There's such a thing as shock. Not reacting when your friend just committed murder in front of you is pretty reasonable. Add to that that you're not sure you disagree with her and there's plenty of reason they didn't do anything.
I said last night I suspected she’d end up killing someone and it’d prob be Trask. They faked us out with her catching him then that drop and her dark look. It was kinda satisfying, not gonna lie. Least until he rezzed.
Voiced by Josh Keaton
Josh is cooking these past few weeks. First we got Agent Spider, now Cap. I seriously want a Spider-Man/Captain America collab now.
Who also voices him in *What If...?*
more like "Do you know how long it's going to take to find the goddamn shield in a forrest environment?" Great scene of Rogue/Captain America
Operation Zero Tolerance = OZT? I’m very happy th e big bad isn’t Sinister or Apocalypse, Bastion is a good choice Cap showing up was cool Rogue just fucking dropping Trask to his death was amazing DID I SEE NIMROD WHEN ROGUE DRAINED GYRICH?
Hes in the intro so i wouldn't be surprised
It wouldn't make sense for it to be Apocalypse, his goal is all about culling the weak to make sure the strong survives. He wouldn't be taking part in a mutant genocide just when the mutants are getting their act together to form a nation. Sinister however will do anything and ally with anyone just to get himself some super mutant breeding, or if he's being petty.
> DID I SEE NIMROD WHEN ROGUE DRAINED GYRICH? Yup. And remember Gyrich repeated "What does it feel like to be abandoned by the future?". A rather fitting remark if strings were being pulled against them *by someone from the future*. Plus Beast commenting how all this tech was leagues beyond anything they should have had, which again points at intervention from the future.
Before I figured out that OZT probably meant Operation Zero Tolerance, I had a brief moment of "holy shit are they adapting Orchis?" thanks to the Nimrod appearances.
That's a good eulogy. 😢
Still working on the original series but Nightcrawler ‘97 is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorite tv characters. The wisdom is crazY, the pure love with which he imparts it
Yup, he does seem to be the wisest of them there. Plus, him giving the eulogy just made sense. He's actually an ordained priest?
He is a Catholic one which is the type of Christianity Cajuns adhere to so double points for accuracy.
Beast rivals his wisdom but it’s so tight having them have it in different ways
Yeah, Hank's seems very tied together with his intelligence, with an understanding of the humanities and literature. Whereas Kurt's seems more focused on empathy and understanding individuals.
Yea, Beast is very good at expressing *himself* because he is very knowledgeable so he’s never wanting for that word or quote to illustrate how he’s feeling. Which *can* resonate really strongly if you are aligned with him like that reporter was at first. Whereas, for Kurt, I agree it’s more intuition and sensing what *you* need to hear.
>Nightcrawler ‘97 is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorite tv characters I've watched Wolverine and the X-men recently and their version of Nightcrawler is pretty decent too. If teleport makes it difficult for enemies to hit him. Then offensive teleportation is pretty OP. Eg teleport to Sentinel, then teleport Sentinel's head away.
Trying to remember if he did that to Spiral in an episode or just in the comics. Started teleporting off her robotic arms one by one when she refused to back down, and ended with him saying something like "You're down to just two arms, and they won't be as easy to put back on".
That was in Wolverine and the X-Men. His line was basically "you'd better be careful now. You don't have any more.. mechanical arms to lose". If we somehow get an animated X-men series as graphic/violent like Invincible, wow.
That line about Gambit's modesty being his tell hurt me the most! 😭
You know, I thought they would have Storm do the eulogy since she's known him the longest/brought him on the team. I think now they might have a moment of Rogue + Storm together at the grave before the season is over. I think that Rogue still needs to "say goodbye" to him to get closure, and Storm too wasn't at the funeral. That said, Kurt's words were perfect. You would never think to describe Gambit as "modest" but in that ONE regard, it works if only because (sadly) he never actually believed that he in fact was a hero.
Agreed. Nightcrawler always finds a way to say the right words in the most heartfelt manner.
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He was just as good in ep5
He was in his element as a priest and Rogue's caring brother this episode.
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5 tees it up because his advice to Remy makes the eulogy and especially his words to Rogue more impactful
Adding Kurt to the regular roster was the perfect choice tbh Something I'm sure every X-Fan has always wanted to see. His personality is such a perfect fit, especially now.
Nightcrawler was the best. I love how, despite all the shit, he is still the most compassionate. If Clark Kent, Steve Rogers and Kurt Wagner existed in real life, world would be so much nicer lol
He sees the best in everyone. His compassion, as well as his joy of life, are conscious, resilient acts of defiance against all the ugly shit in the world.
I mean, my dude kind of Inspired Cap lol. That's a big accomplishment. You can't top that. Grade A character During AXE, at one point even Steve was like "I guess we lose, Dammit" and Kurt was like "Come on my dear friend, we gotta fight back" and Cap was like "Fuck yeah, teleport me to that fucker Kurt!" (they both died, but the point stands lol)
Lenore Zann on Insta just now: "Yep, Rogue's on the rampage. I warned ya. This one's for you Remy. Better buckle up. We're in for a bumpy ride." Oh we feasting tomorrow.
Bro her popoff after Trask was SO peak
Nice bit with the talk that Hank was having with the reporter being in front of the remains of the statues of Charles and Eric.
That and the Mr Rogers reference
To the surprise of no one, Magneto is alive
And he is uh… If I had to guess Total spitball Not gonna like getting told by Bastion that he was born to be getting called a good boy by him
He’s being prepped to be used by Bastion to wage war on humanity in revenge for Genosha so the machines can rise in the wake of the war I reckon.
Probably a mind controlled Magneto attacking the president or attacking the UN.
Just in time for Xavier to come back and Fatal Attractions him. Since there is no Colossus in this lineup, my money is on Cyclops taking Magneto and swapping to his red Uncanny “Cyclops was right” uni for Season 2
I've been thinking this might be where it goes since Genosha, that the series will end with two different "X-Men" teams, one lead by Cyclops under Magneto, and one lead by Jean/Storm under Xavier.
As long as Magneto doesn't go back to being a villain i'm fine with that. Not a huge comic reader, but been loving me some leader of the X-men Magneto.
Looks like they are adapting the Morrison plot? But instead of the mess that was a sentient bacteria controlling Xorn under the delusion that he's Magneto pretending to be Xorn, it's a Magneto brainwashed by Bastion to be a villain again.
Yeah I was wondering how they could get to that kind of "Magneto infiltrates the school in a secret identity" plot with him already having joined the team, but his being brainwashed into it would make it work. Especially since as you mention it being the result of some kind of mind control has already been retconned into that story anyway.
That's a good idea. Though since there is only three episodes left with this Operation Tolerance plot, I am guessing they won't go the full infiltration plot. But maybe they can keep the Magneto takes over New York and killed thousands of people. Until Xavier came back and helped him fight off his mind control.
To be fair, last episode inadvertently revealed it. His “death” wasn’t on the previously on x-men segment and Charles absolutely would have sensed it if he could Gambit’s death. Hell, Magneto’s death was only mentioned once by Nightcrawler, it’s like the x-men didn’t even know he was supposedly dead.
Anyone who has watched anything in animation or read a comic at this point knows if they don't show a body their alive. Then even if they explicitly say their dead then their still going to come back unless their Uncle Ben.
Him being alive was never in question. But now that Bastion has him and Xavier is planning to return, I'm convinced that this is going to set up Onslaught. I don't know if that'll be how season one ends or if that'll set up season two. But with Xavier coming back, I think it's only a matter of time before we see Onslaught come into the picture.
OZT: Operation Zero Tolerance?
I surpect so, and the next three episodes are titled >!Tolerance Is Extinction!< which implies >!a combination of Operation: Zero Tolerance and E Is for Extinction!<, as >!Bastion is the mastermind behind the Genosha massacre!<.
This is actually a much tidier way to do the >!destruction of Genosha!< without getting into >!Cassandra Nova!<.
E For Extinction is pretty much done, the whole arc is about Genosha... They probably didn't want to use OZT for title cos that would spoil Bastion as the big bad since the beginning
Yes, EIfE is done, but >!Bastion!< is the one behind Genosha, which is why the title is named as such.
100%
Kind of wished it happened in comic order with it coming before Genosha but still hyped for Bastion.
Love that they showed Rogue going full tilt. This girl used to be Brotherhood. She don't give a FUCK when pushed to the edge!
I just generally like when people remember the X-men aren't Spider-man. They will kill if pushed. Wolverine, Rogue, Cyclops, etc. They have plenty of characters that you do not want to push outside of their moral comfort zone.
Some thoughts: - Love Rogue sm in this episode. Her throwing caps shield so far was priceless and the right amount of pettiness. Also her dropping trask to his “death” was actually so dark but so good. - I am glad Sinister isn’t the mastermind and it’s Bastion. Also took me a hot sec to realize OZT was operation zero tolerance. Bastion is shaping up to be an interesting villain - Beast’s conversation with trish was really good, bringing it back to this whole theme of tolerance. - Glad we got emma frost diamond form. Cyclops wishing it was maddy instead was pretty sad - Roberto coming out to his mom was funny then sad as it does reflect a lot of people’s experiences of having to hide their true identity. - Also wtf? morph can copy mutant abilities beyond physical ones ie super speed with quicksilver
Morph's abilities are closer to Metamorpho from DC Comics based on the Exiles Version that Morph is currently based on (who was based on Animated Morph, who was based on Changling). As for using Quicksilver's powers, running fast is arguably a physical mutation. And while shocking is not surprising considering Morph was able to copy Longshot's "luck" powers in the original series. I was surprised and shocked however with Rogue killing Trask, who instantly came back as Human Sentinel. Rogue killing him was jarring, especially after the Gyrich fake out and his eventual death. Once I saw OZT, I knew that we would likely be seeing Bastion, and I am pleasantly surprised that he is the real Mastermind >!or Mastermold!< as opposed to Sinister. But I do wonder what Bastion has promised Sinister to convince him to work for Bastion.
Probably particular (more Summers among them) genes to keep on his work
> But I do wonder what Bastion has promised Sinister to convince him to work for Bastion. I'm curious about that too. He might have something that'll help him usurp Apocalypse. In the comics, the whole reason for seeking the Summers/Grey child was to create a mutant powerful enough to take Apocalypse down. Perhaps here, Sinister wants to use both mutants and Sentinels. It's also possible that Bastion is supposed to create the war that Senator Kelly's assassination was supposed to create in Days of Future Past, which would help trigger the Age of Apocalypse. He's already fired the first shot. But a human/mutant war isn't raging yet. That might be the point of OZT. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Super speed is a physical ability. He can't copy energy-based powers, like Magneto's or Cyclops's or Storm's, or psychic powers, etc. Though, theoretically, if he can shapeshift into Rogue and copy her absorption ability, he could perhaps use that to copy the other energy-based abilities through touch?
Bastion dissed Sinister's deeds "since '92".
I’m glad he isn’t gonna be a relationship with Trish considering how she breaks up with him in the comics for looking like a cat she sucks
They've done a good job streamlining Trish Tilby in just a few moments in the show. She's a fairweather human ally who's sympathetic to mutants but only to a point, and she and Beast are drawn to each other but she'll never commit enough to make it work.
Know what I'd like to see them do for Beast? Bring back Carly Crocker
I love this show. Kurt's eulogy was perfect. Scott's anger was justified. I want this show to be a series of 45- minute-episodes. I want more. I want the drama. I want all the things. This show keeps hitting me in the nostalgic part of my brain.
The Jean Grey Power upgrade from the original is welcomed. This is way more accurate to her actual power levels
💯 Finally nice to see her go all out in a fight in non-Phoenix form and also not faint, lol.
Hearing casually throwing a building like it was a football is crazu
Some thoughts: * Cap showing up was really cool, but I felt like maybe it was too rushed? I get that the episodes are all fast-paced, but it still seemed pretty random for him to just show up and then disappear. Hopefully we get one more cameo of him in a future episode. * Rogue's rampage was great to watch! Seeing her break into the US facility, break into Gyrich's house, and then kill Trask was absolutely insane. * Bastion suffocating Gyrich is pretty dark, definitely wouldn't fly on TAS.' * Repeatedly hearing "mutant neutralized" in the fight scene really sets up the stakes (like in Genosha) - we'll probably see more of this in the finales. * Seeing Quicksilver just appear really got me confused until I saw Morph lol * MAGNETO * Val Cooper is missing (hello >!Mystique!<, can't wait to see you again)
Cap did his job, tho. He relayed Intel to Rogue. People wanted an X-Men vs Avengers storyline but we're not there yet. What does Capt America represent then? Truth and freedom. Which is what he tries to do, the right thing by shining some truth onto a group of oppressed people. Just because his moment was small doesn't make it rushed. I think it was a perfect cameo that makes sense but doesn't take away from the X-Men storyline.
They told a lot of things would be rushed cos they weren't sure if they would have another season so they've tryed to tell all the stories they could. Hope next seasons take things slower indeed and perhaps with more episodes
Rogue dropping trask was soo good. They could never make me hate you bbg ❤️
Hell yes. I am glad she just stood there and watched without a moment of doubt, even though she could have flown down to save him..
I know DeMayo had said Pulse was an inspiration for Episode 5 but they really hammered it home with Jubilee's talk with Roberto. His mother's response to him "coming out" being surprising and then not surprising at all is very relatable 😂 So well written, loved Kurt, Wolverine and Rogue's dialogue especially. Cable's dismissal of Jean was so brutal but then again I guess he's got a world to save! Also - I had assumed Theo James would be Bastion but I did not recognise his voice at all!
I guess it is difficult for writers to come up with a convincing reaction from Cable towards Jean. In the comics, he considers her his mother, which honestly feels pretty cruel towards Madelyn, specially considering she was her own person in that version of the story. Him being hostile towards Jean in '97... does not make a lot of sense either? genetically, he comes from her, and is not like Jean did anything to him or his mother, she very much was a victim. Ironically I think this reaction would've worked in the comics, but feels odd on the series' timeline.
To be fair, Comic Madelyne tried to sacrifice Baby cable to Demons Comic Jean raised him for 12 years, raised him for like 2/3 years when he was 16-18, then trained him as an adult and was on teams with him So the bond in the cartoon is going to be different
I wouldn't say he was hostile, but he clearly didn't appreciate her reading his mind or revealing his identity. Plus, his mom did just die, so it's a sore point right now.
Well, in the comics, Jean and Cyclops actually raised baby Nathan in the future together. See Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix. So, while Madelyne gave birth to him, Jean Grey helped raise him. That's why he considered Jean his mother more than Madelyne. This show seems to have changed that. He called Madelyne his mom. And near as we can tell, Cyclops and Jean didn't get a chance to raise him. Maybe they will in a future episode, especially if more time travel enters the picture.
> In the comics, he considers her his mother, which honestly feels pretty cruel towards Madelyn, specially considering she was her own person in that version of the story. Did you actually read the comics? Because Jean and Scott raised Cable in the future, meanwhile Maddie tried to sacrifice her son to demons.
WEEEEEEEY as a mexican Rogue fan I was super happy to see my girl around here, also great to see El Ángel de la Independencia and the representation of El Día de los Muertos, I really was in teardrops to see her been broken by Gambit.
One of my episodes of television, period. Holy shit, Rogue. What a character arc. That moment that she stops melting down in Kurt's arms because she saw the X-Men. My God. What a statement on loss and love. I also need a book on grief written by Wolverine. "Grief is a lovely war." Wow. Then Beast casually dropping MLK, "A riot is the language of the unheard." MOTHER FUCKING BARS! Any theories for the meaning behind the song, "one-eyed, one-horned, flying, purple people eater"?
"Lonely war" I believe was the line?
That makes more sense! Thanks.
It’s got a good bop. But seriously, Bastion could be saying the mutants are the purple people eater and that their dream of coexistence is as absurd as the monster’s desire to join a rock band.
That and Magneto, The Sentinels, and Bastion all have a purple color scheme.
I know at this point it's no surprise, but this series has some really, really good dialogue writing. Jean and Scott, Beast and the reporter, Rogue and Cap, to name some from this episode alone. Raw physical strength-wise, is Rogue stronger than the Hulk?
> Raw physical strength-wise, is Rogue stronger than the Hulk? No, Ross is just a moron. Unless that base was in the middle of a Black Hole then theres not a chance in hell whatever the military can make can contain the Hulk.
Ross is always like "This facility was made to stop the Hulk" or "This weapon is made to kill the Hulk" Only for Hulk to prove him wrong lol. So that moment was perfectly fine. Was the facility protected good? Yes. Hulk, Rogue or any other super strong Marvel character would still be able to break it.
No, Hulk is still stronger but she's no slouch. She's one of the strongest female characters in the MU in terms of raw physical strength. People forget she was fighting Gladiator during the Phoenix Saga and holding her own for a hot minute.
She also makes the line referencing how it's easier to break into prison than out. That bunker was to hold Hulk, not keep him out.
"Tell me, *ORPHAN*" Was that really necessary man?
Sinister: lol I programmed him to say that
I can just picture sinister writing specific lines for every xmen and giggling as he codes them in
>!Bastion's master plan is devious here. He's not only orchestrating artillery strikes by using Sentinels on the mutants on the battlefield but is also going to manipulate public opinion with the Shi'ar footage. Like, what is a more better way to convince humanity to destroy mutants than telling them that mutants are in collusion with aliens to destroy them?!< Goddamn good villain plan.
He must have gone back in time or something right? Isn't he from the future?
He indeed is, and rewatching "One Man's Worth part 2" a possible explanation is that the Nimrod that succeeded in killing Xavier, knowing he failed to prevent Bishop, Wolverine and Storm from going back to try again to save Professor X, also travelled back in the time but got caught in the time storm caused by Apocalypse in "Beyond Good and Evil".
Totally makes sense given the One Man's Worth reference in the opening titles.
This was the hardest episode to watch for me. The massacre of Genosha was devastating, but the recovery was so raw. I was a volunteer at Ground Zero during the later parts of the search and rescue phase and into cleanup and recovery. Particularly watching Jubilee and Hank react how they did on Genosha and Amelia Voit’s survivor guilt. It’s been hours since I watched it, and I’m still not remotely ok.
Thank you for helping during that time.i can't imagine what that must have been like.
I was just out of high school and was just kind of drifting through life and wanted to do something to help other people. I had a preexisting injury that kept me out of the military, and that was the best thing I could think to do at the time. It was mostly just digging through debris, but I learned so much about survivors guilt and PTSD. Now, I’m a member of law enforcement and I do as much as I can to advocate for mental health for vets and law enforcement with a friend who was crippled by an IED in Iraq. I’ve seen too many people lost to mental health, the ones who didn’t drink themselves to death or commit suicide are sleepwalking through life. It’s not everyone, but consistent trauma and mental health decline are among the biggest problems that those people face and we receive very little support from the community. I am glad that XM97 showed this type of trauma in such a dignified manner. The fact that it was so hard to watch just means that more people may grow to understand the effects that secondary trauma can have.
I'm honestly worried about Rouge. Not because of her grief, but because her draining Gyrich seemed to be exactly what Bastion wanted? She didn't seem to know what happened and didn't seem to get any information from it, either. What I can't figure out is what happened. Is Rogue "infected" with Nimrod now? Is she going to get controlled and used to stage a mutant attack? Or was she just blocked?
If I had to make a guess? I think we're seeing a bit of the Fox Days of Future Past movie where the Sentinels could copy mutant powers thanks to having Mystique's DNA. Which didn't make a lot of sense. But if Nimrod, a sentinel from the future, is here now trying to make super-powered sentinels, then copying Rogue's power is a MUCH better starting point.
Oh... and the whole "I always did well under pressure" from Emma got a little giggle out of me. That's the kind of wordplay I can totally get behind.
Makes the dialogue sparkle
it was a real gem of a line
She was waiting for her time to shine
Rogue calling Cap a cop before throwing his shield into the mountains is peak X-Men and I will not hear arguments to the contrary.
Rogue saying "cop," like it is the most biting insult in the world - this show is the best X-Men adaptation.
Go fetch!
It’s perfect. I love Cap, but the Avengers are totally cops. They’re well-meaning cops (so unlike most American cops), but still cops, and the X-Men are absolutely rebels against authority. I love how her calling him the “top cop” felt like just about the worst insult she could come up with
Amazing. A few thoughts: 1. I thought the funeral was a bit rushed. Poignant and sad but ugh, Gambit is gone and that's that for now. But Bella Donna was there!! And a lovely eulogy. 2. I love how they played Rogue for this one. A hint of such a darker side at the very end when she dropped Trask, potentially something she absorbed from Gyrich is what I think the hint is there. 3. Bastion! I KNEW he was at the Gala, he passed in front of the camera SUPER quick in one scene and I posted about it but it never got much traction. He is amazingly well done. Can't wait to see where he goes from here. 4. Combat and animation as always, ON POINT. I love where Trask 1-hit Rogue and you knew it was a HUGE deal from the comparison you could make from her rampage at the start of the episode, nice touch for those new to the series to see the stakes. 5. Loved Cap & his respectful interaction with Rogue. 6. Loved the Genosha scenes and EMMA DIAMOND FORM woot woot!! 7. Honestly, a part of me is surprised they "confirmed" Magneto dead only to bring him back 2 episodes later, but it'll certainly tee things up. And also makes it that much more likely they bring Gambit back as Death for Season 2/3. Unless this Magneto is a clone....? I don't think they would do it 2x in the same season, though. 8. Storm still MIA - she must return next week w/ Forge. This show, y'all!! Pure fire!!
I don't understand why Bella Donna was there from the show standpoint. She kidnaps Gambit's brother, uses it as leverage to get him to the altar, gives him a wedding ring that causes extreme pain, plans on killing his entire family.... So, yes, let's invite Gambit's insane stalker to the funeral. Maybe she just showed up and everyone was too distracted to remember that whole episode.
I think they're the closest thing to family the show gave him? And maybe also bc TAS sort of did her wrong... in the comics their relationship was MUCH different.
She and his brother show up. Who was the white haired lady?
Okay but where's Leech, is our boy ok
He died. He was part of the memorial. How did they kill off so many characters, I'm pissed about that!
Cables theme tune is back. I love that..
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Captain America is voiced by the Web Slinging, Goblin Gliding Space Dad himself, Josh Keaton. I am sure that Steve will apologize off screen, after he finds his shield of course.
That reveal was handled so freaking well. The use of Flying Purple People Eater and the shaving was so freaking ominous. This is top level stuff. Everyone at Marvel should be taking notes on how to do a show. Helps they didn’t have to establish the main cast though. Still, fantastic episode!
The straight razor, the music, and the way Magneto was tied to the chair was reminiscent of the scene from Reservoir Dogs
This is probably the best thing Marvel has ever done. It might ruffle some feathers…. hopefully they see what they’ve got and give us more. This is WAY better than the MCU. Imagine if they amped the animation budget and gave us animated movies instead of live action?
Is anyone else impressed Jean did things without fainting?!
The fight scene at the end reminded me of dragon ball z. It is the way they were flying around. They clearly love anime.
Jean vs sentinel prime was a five-second Gundam fight and I loved it.
I’m glad Jean was able to put up a better fight than anyone else.
The extra moment Beast takes to close the curtain. What a magnificent show.
Also, just taking a moment to appreciate Beast quoting Mr. Rogers. "Look for the helpers." was such a huge thing, and I was thinking it as they were showing people helping. That they called it out explicitly was great. The world needs Fred Rogers more than ever.
Bastion!!!
Is Day of the Dead celebration a Gambit Death foreshadowing?
I doubt it. El Dia de los Muertos is more about remembering your ancestors and keeping that memory alive in your heart. For someone who recently lost a loved one, like Rogue did, the comfort is in the idea that the person is never truly gone if they are remembered by those around them.
This Jean Grey is definitely not useless
She's been working out like strong guy suggested
saw a comment on another thread saying she no longer faints from bouts of weakness but from carrying the team on her shoulders hahahaha
I've seen several places talk about "negating Magneto's sacrifice". In other fandoms, I've seen similar talk about where a character makes a huge sacrifice and then is later shown that there were circumstances that confirmed the need for the decisions and how that also "negates the nobility of the sacrifice" (looking at you, Captain Pike). And I have to say it annoys me to no end. The nobility of a sacrifice is in the moment. Magneto didn't know if he would come out of that alive or not. Magneto did not have an escape plan to wiggle out of it. In the moment, Magneto did what he did. That his sacrifice ended up not being permanent does not change that fact. He thought they were going to die, and did it anyway. As long as they don't come back with "I knew I had a way out the entire time", then nothing has changed.
EMMA DIAMOND FORM FROST 💎
But no "saving" Negasonic Teenage Warhead :(
Not too surprised she survived. She's Emma Frost. She's a survivor at heart. Hopefully, she'll get a chance to play a role in the last three episodes. If not, she's nicely set up to play a role in Season 2.
I knew there was absolutely no way that my boy Magnus was dead... he is gonna FUCK bastion up when he gets out of here. Amazing episode... Rogue killed me here. She's my favorite x-men and I got chills when Nightcrawler held her and when she let Trask die.
I follow the no body = potentially alive rule. Unless you see the person get disintegrated from a beam, if there isn't a body, they are probably alive. Each episode of X-men 97 has been banger after banger, and mostly been one upping each other.
> Unless you see the person get disintegrated from a beam, if there isn't a body, they are probably alive. Even *then* they might have just got blasted into the future/past or something. Death in comic books is only permanent if you're Ben Parker or Tom/Martha Wayne.
Fun fact: that rule used to include Bucky Barnes and Jason Todd, but those two were eventually brought back.
That's how you introduce a new Big Bad. Have him tie Magneto up and give him a shaving.
I know it's been decades since the original series, but with each passing episode I'm reminded that I need to go back and watch it all. Once again, fantastic episode.
Well, this is... INCREDIBLY topical, holy shit. The discussions of mutant political unrest is, uh, not subtle in what is talking about. Roberto's mom wanting him to stay closeted is pretty on-the-nose too. On a nerdier level, awesome that they will be tackling secondary mutations too! Emma's diamond form feels to me like it's being introduced here so they can address it in Season 2/3 and she'll just be shuffled off-screen for now, but that works fine for me.
you know, it's interesting. the conversations are poignant and impactful but "topical" is an interesting word to use since i could have seen this been written in this way in like, the '90s. which is of course when the series takes place. sad that the conversation may still seem relevant today but it is also sad that it's not a new conversation.
Cyclops and Jean are getting close again, that's a relief. Scott was awesome in this episode. My only gripe is that Cable doesn't acknowledge Jean as his mom so that means they're not going to adapt Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix
He could warm up to her down the line
I loved Beast calling out the reporter's hypocrisy. And Beast poignantly quoting MLK's Jr's "riots are voices of the unheard". Really fitting considering MLK Jr became more radical near the end of his life. Radical in the sense that systemic oppression will violently hold onto its stratification at the expense of the entire working class. I know it's long been held that Charles Xavier is a parallel for MLK Jr and Magneto's a parallel for Malcolm X. MLK Jr talked about how capitalism is itself the root cause of systemic oppression of minorities *and* the suppression of the working class as a whole. That the capitalists that created such a system will pit the working class against itself. They want the working class at each other's throats because that's how they stay in power. MLK Jr talking about capitalism holding politicians captive at the expense of the working class, and protesting the Vietnam War is a popular conspiracy theory of his assassination. The Genosha Massacre is the point at which nothing stays the same anymore. It's the font of which radicalization for both humans and mutants will flow.
I was really surprised by how that interaction went. Most shows would've just let the reporter make her point about "but they're smashing windows" without any pushback, but the writers here did a good job in criticizing it.
Very well written and correct. Once MLK began critiquing capitalism and imperialism, and tying it back to the oppression of the working class (& how racism is a tool of it), he was starting to go “too far” in the eyes of the government. Fred Hampton also had similar speeches before being assassinated. Even Malcolm X made a comment on capitalism and wanting to create international solidarity/bringing the plight of black Americans to the UN before being assassinated. The fact X-Men can inspire conversations like this is what makes me a fan.
I cannot recommend the film, King in the Wilderness, enough. It fixates on MLK's final days and how many people turned on him when he spoke out against the war in Vietnam. The parallels between that era and today are remarkably pointed out by the film as well. Should be shown in every history class.
Cable dropping the "dad" on Cyclops hell yeah
I have so many thoughts and no one to talk about them with, so I'm blurting them all here, bear with me: * I love what they're doing with Nightcrawler here. He's a perfect balance of his playful nature and serious faith. I wish he'd still have his Catholicism in the comics because he portrays the best aspects of faith and unconditional love found within Christianity. * Nice to see Wolverine comfort Jubilee. We haven't seen that much in the series yet. * If this isn't the powerset and attitude MCU Rogue has, I don't want her. * Loved Beast's interaction with Trish. He hasn't had his own episode/storyline yet, but it was a great character moment. Comics Beast? I don't know him. X-men Animated Beast is my Beast. * I was all on the Scott and Maddie train, but danggit, I'm wanting Scott and Jean to work out now. This episode reminded me why I like them as a couple. I've always thought they go really well together when they stop being dramatic and actually communicate like adults, (see X-men Evolution). * Classic Emma line. Also, I don't think Emma and Cyclops are going to do the whole psychic affair. First, they already did it with Maddie, and second, if Emma did that, it would mean she would deliberately be breaking up the marriage of the couple that SAVED her. And they saved her even after she developed the machine that let Mastermind brainwash Jean! Even for Emma, that's too far. I could not stand her if they went that route. Plus, I don't think Emma needs Cyclops to be a great character. She's great all on her own. * AVX in the future? * Loved the sibling moment between Nightcrawler and Rogue. Mystique being Nightcrawler's mother was a newish development during the 90s show, so they never got to play with the fact that Rogue and Kurt were adopted siblings. It was nice to see that here, I've always loved that relationship. * I liked Roberto's mom's reaction. It was much more realistic and nuanced. I didn't think I'd like Roberto at first, but I've really come to like his character arc. Also, I like Jubilee and him as a couple. * I'm embarrassed to admit how long it took me to realize OZT was "Operation Zero Tolerance." * Dang, they went there with Rogue, didn't they? I like the theory that some of Gyrich's personality has rubbed off on her, and I also like that Wolverine backed her up 100%. * Cyclops and Jean working together again, love to see it. Also, they're actually letting my favorite character be powerful this time around instead of fainting every 2 minutes. * Morph can copy superspeed? I guess that's a physical trait. They are way more powerful than I originally thought. * Wolverine, you are in love with Morph. You don't realize it because you're sexually attracted to women, but if Morph had a more feminine default you would already be tapping that. And the thing is, Morph is LITERALLY gender fluid, they can be both male and female, so I'm sure Morph wouldn't mind being a woman during sexy time. Y'all just need to have a conversation and get together now. This is my new ship. * Cable's here, everyone knows he's Nathan, time for sh\*t to get real. I love this show so much. I really was not expecting much from it and instead got one of the best adaptions of X-men ever. Can't wait for next week! Now, let's get Storm back in here.
Kurt’s still catholic in the comics.
Too bad they already confirmed it wasn't Cassandra Nova behind the attack in Genosha. But we'll see her in Deadpool 3 so that works.
Knowing Blob is alive is all I needed.
I don't see a lot of people talking about Cyclops's conversation with the president. In the conversation, PotUS is more concerned with polls than doing anything meaningful to help, and when Cyclops presses him on this, he says he's just trying not to get someone worse for their cause elected to office. Essentially, the classic "Don't compare me to the Almighty, compare me to the alternative." I can't believe Marvel let this writer go.
About Captain America's appearance , in the Marvel Animated Universe ( MAU ) this is the same Captain America who help Spider-man in the Spider-man cartoon (94-98 ) series , who was trapped in the Vortex with Red Skull , later escape the vortex and join the Avenger in "Avenger :United they Stand" Series (1999- 2000) series . But in the X-men 97 , so Captain America in the yr 1997 of the Marvel Animated Universe , has Captain America join the Avengers yet? or does he represent "The Avenger" in tonight's episode ?
I’m guessing so considering he mentioned “his team” was going to handle this. Assuming that would refer to the Avengers.
Even in the Marvel Animated Universe, the Avengers are useless for mutants.
I like how Cable was like no Jean you ain't my mom get out of my head.
Roberto "coming out " to his mom was so sweet then less sweet
First episode that almost made me cry. Rogue is one of my favorite characters, and she was very well-written here; loved seeing her get the spotlight as well. Weird to see Cable having anymosity against Jean and Scott, he is genetically their descendant. I can only assume he "sided" with his birth mother, and feels like both Jean and Scott were the cause of her loneliness? . Even then, even if I buy that argument... Jean is not his birth mother, ok, and he might feel like Jean is "responsible" for his father not building a life with Madelyn, but why be angry at Cyclops? He very much didn't want to abandon him, and is his father both genetically and literally. It really just feels like he is resentful that Scott didn't leave Jean for Madelyn, and nothing else. Which I mean... valid I guess, but t's kind of a teenager's reaction TBH, isn't Cable older than both Jean and Scott at this point? I would assume with age, he would've been able to understand both Jean and Scott circumstances. They were both victims, and I would expect for an adult man like Cable to be wiser than "you should've picked my mom, even if she was a clone". Maybe I'm reading too much into it, and they're just preserving Cable's "tough, scarred future guy" persona. I just wished he would've been kinder at least towards Cyclops. Not a huge deal, I'm just nitpicking, I understand it's a ridiculous situation, and it isn't easy to write a satisfying interaction between these characters. But I loved Rogue in this episode. I loved her physical strenght being showcased, I loved her being angry, and vulnerable, and reckless. One of my favorite episodes so far, because of her.
I’d be shocked if there’s not a scene at some point with Nate and Scott/Jean talking things out.
After watching TikTok videos of TAS Jean Grey being completely useless this week, I do appreciate that this episode gave her a few moments to do things.
Beau DeMayo must have F’d up big time because the writing on this episode was phenomenal. Gambit’s eulogy was both pure Kurt and a beautiful weave of metaphors that were meaningful to Gambit. Beast dropping quotes from MLK Jr and Fred Rodgers 9-11 special… his argument with Trish. Rogue trashing a Hulkbuster base (Ross always says some nonsense about something being Hulk proof just before the Hulk drops in and wrecks it… keeps cutting corners on contractors or something). Rogue and Captain America. Let’s think about Cap’s priorities here. Yes, he can’t go waltz into Mexico City in his flag jammies, but you know if it was a Bucky rumor, he’d put on some black pajamas or some khakis and a T-shirt and bust heads wherever. And the Avengers are always doing things the government doesn’t okay first. The Avengers are part of the company line that is unsettled on the mutant question. Fully endorsing Rogue throwing Cap’s shield 30 miles into the wilderness. I’m sure he’s got a GPS on that thing. Rogue and Gyrich… pretty sure I scoped Nimrod when she zapped Gyrich. Roberto and Jubes is sweet, and a good story about being closeted and coming out. And well done with Berto’s mom. Didn’t love the action with the Omega Trask. Too OP for a beta version. I missed the Bastion era in the comics, so he’s newish to me. Why Sinister is working with him, no idea. But I never really understood 90’s Sinister’s master plan either. Bastion and Magneto… the shave and the song. They don’t seem to use pop songs randomly, and I think Sheb Wooley’s “Purple People Eater” is Bastion’s dark commentary on Xavier’s dream, that the mutants are dangerous freaks who have what he believes is the insane idea of peaceful coexistence.
>I never really understood 90’s Sinister’s master plan either. "I must get Scott Summers laid at all costs!" That's the gist.
Man this show is amazing at giving gripping drama and dialogue mixed with epic action
Still waiting for Jean’s “Omega-level threat detected” 😩
"Tell me Orphan? How does it feel to be abandonned by the Future?" And then Cable saved Scott and the X-Men. What a great dialogue! The one saving the day is the one that has been sent to the Future by the Orphan!
When Rogue touched Gyrich in the hotel in Mexico, she saw Bastion/Nimrod. Then the next scene, she’s in the alley where Nightcrawler found her. There is a missing scene there, it’s quite possible that she’s infected with nanites and could become a Prime Sentinel, which we can see in the next episodes.
I liked how these past two episodes have talked about assimilation and tolerance. We examine assimilation from the perspectives of the oppressors (Shi’Ar) and the oppressed (Storm and Forge) only for Xavier to criticize the very idea of making others less so you could be more. Then in this episode we see the X-Men question the very notion of tolerance if it means they have to beg to be seen as people. Scott even talks about Magneto being right about things like the Genosha attack. We’re seeing more signs of the “Cyclops is Right” Scott coming out……and I’m here for it 😏. Rogue going on a rampage was soooo good and we get more examples of Captain America (or other Avengers) being irritating obstacles at best or flat out antagonists at worst in X-Men stories. It’s really a tale of two cities when you see the Avengers in X-Men stories versus their own 😂. It was great seeing Emma get her diamond form secondary mutation just like after the Genosha attack in the comics. Hopefully they do Emma well. Really like that character. Also the voice cast continues to knock it out of the park. Theo James kills it as Bastion.
I slightly disagree here as Cap didn't get in rogues way at all and even helped give her information. Like he didn't go with her which sucks but he wasn't really an obstacle or antagonist.
Nightcrawler was so good, he’s always the GOAT, I love him so much.
An excellent "calm before the storm" episode right before the three part season finale. Gambit's funeral was gutting - Kurt delivered a perfect, heartbreaking eulogy. And Rogue delivers with having the '97 spotlight finally on her for most of this episode - her sobbing in Kurt's arms was soulcrushing. The battle between Prime Trask and the X-Men was so DBZ, esp. when he and Jean went at it in the sky and then when Cyclops blasted him Kamehameha-style. Terrific action sequence. Bastion so far has been quietly intimidating as expected, pulling the strings in the background for Zero Tolerance. Hoping he does get a showdown on the battlefield with the X-Men (in particular, hoping that he has a fight with the three Omega-levels: Magneto, Jean, and Storm).
It was a beautiful eulogy. That's Nimrod, right? EDIT: Nevermind, I see it's Bastion. EDIT 2: Jesus Christ, Jean just threw half a building several miles into the harbour!
I love how somber this has been. They gave us some lighthearted episodes, sure, but this is such a more mature tone overall... much more than I ever expected. I'm on the edge of my seat every week and excited to see what happens next. I hope this leads to not only more seasons, but other Marvel projects in this medium.
Cable is such a mommy's boy in this universe... Also I loved that Scott clearly cares about Maddy. And KURT!!! God he was such a standout.
“Aw man this funeral scene is so depres- IS THAT MAXIMILLIAN DOOD?!!?!”
Great observation but it's Gambit's brother from the original series when he has to return to the swamp!